Ladies and gentlemen: It is with TREMENDOUS pride that I announce that, as of 10:00 P.M. on Thursday, October 4, 2001, we have collected 2,372 petition signatures That's 2,137 from Indiana residents and 235 from other states!!!!!!!! Tomorrow morning, I'll be binding these signatures for presentation to Rep. Lytle at Saturday's workshop in Madison. Any additional signatures that come in or that are received at the workshop will be delivered to Rep. Lytle as well, but they won't be in the bound copy. Words cannot express my overwhelming feelings of gratitude for being associated with such a spectacular group of people. You have done an amazing job gathering these signatures and I thank you sincerely for each and every one of them. The top-runner counties were: FLOYD 358 CLARK 260 DELAWARE 225 See http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/tabulation.html for a county-by-county breakdown. Take a bow, all of you! You deserve it! Jack Briles gets credit for the vast majority of the signatures collected from Floyd and Clark Counties, as well as quite a few from other surrounding counties. I also want to remember to thank Jack for the use of his P.O. box as a collecting point and for his many, many trips to my house to deliver signed petitions. Looking forward to seeing some of you on Saturday in Madison. Lois

I for one wish you all the best. That is the kind of action more should try, Keep up the good Work!!! Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

I feel really sorry for the cemeteries in Indiana. With all the game playing that goes on - first Checkers, and now it seems more and more like Musical Chairs and Cake Walk. Oops, you lose! Hang in there you guys. You are the most diligent, hardworking souls I've ever encountered. Bless you all, Sue Silver CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Smead" <bsmead@gte.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Parker Cemetery at St. Joe Center Road in Ft. Wayne, IN > Lois, this is nothing new in Indiana, as we all know. I've been by Parker > cemetery many times and knew that this would happen sooner or later. God > forbid that the road gets widen on the other side of St Joe Road. The bad > part is that Parker is a pioneer cemetery what is very well maintained, sits > on a busy corner with lots of traffic, yet 2 miles down the road is "my" > Hatfield cemetery that's overgrown and has many broken headstones. > > This isn't the first cemetery to be moved or relocated. My GGGGG > grandfather was Judge Benjamin Archer. In 1796, Benjamin and two other men, > with land grants given to them for their Rev War services founded the town > of Centerville, Ohio. In 1826, Benjamin moved to Allen county, Indiana > where he was there also a Judge, and founded a brick yard. The first brick > buildings in Fort Wayne and the first courthouse in Fort Wayne were built > with his bricks. In 1833 Benjamin died and was buried in Archer cemetery. > Also buried in Archer cemetery were Benjamin's wife, some children and > grandchildren, along with John Chapman aka Johnny Appleseed. Before 1889, > ALL the Archers were moved from the Archer cemetery to another cemetery. > Then they were moved again to the Broadway cemetery so that a county jail > could be built. The Broadway cemetery is now a nice park with NO graves. > Nobody knows when or where the Archers were moved to. All this happened > before 1889. Of course, Johnny Appleseed's grave remains in what was Archer > cemetery which was renamed Johnny Appleseed Park. > Brian E. Smead > Terre Haute, Indiana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:15 PM > Subject: [INPCRP] Parker Cemetery at St. Joe Center Road in Ft. Wayne, IN > > > > Thanks to Ruth Pride for alerting us to Tuesday's story about plans > proposed > > to move 70 graves at Parker Cemetery in Ft. Wayne: > > > > > http://web.news-sentinel.com/content/fwnews/2001/10/02/metro/a02r_stjoecente > > r_pg1a.htm > > > > (If this URL breaks onto more than one line, you may have to paste it back > > together in your browser window or access it from the INPCRP "In the News" > > page). > > > > Lois > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >

Hi Don, Thanks for the input. Sorry that I didn't reply sooner but had a big roofing project that I have been working on and am just now getting caught up on email. Only 546 more to go, lol. Thanks again, Frank Frank, Just a few thoughts. First and foremost, if anyone wants to learn about cleaning and restoration of markers should attend a workshop with "Walt" Walters. I'm sure anyone who has attended has walked away with the deepest respect for this man, his mission and knowledge. Second there was a comment about testing a cleaner on an inconspicuous location. Any and all chemicals contain solvents which may penetrate the pores of the stone. Those solvents carry chemicals into the stone which may reside and continue to react. I think the best policy is to use only water or nothing at all. Just "elbow grease," only on your own elbow of course. Don

I met last night with the Rush Co. Historical Preservation group. There were about 20 people there. They were very interested in what was going on with the new laws and the States registration of the Cemeteries. I told them of wanting to get Jennie from DNR here to explain it all. Most of the group said they would come to that kind of meeting. I, also, talked to them about the Cemetery commission and the Pres. of the group seemed very interested in getting that going in this county. If I can get this group interested maybe it will not be to hard to get the county commissioners to set up a cemetery commission here. I took copies of what Lois had posted about Henry Co. & Newton Co.'s commissions. Also the list she has on the Web site about what some of the other counties are doing. All present was quit interested and there was even one of the county commissioners there. I think it was a good night. So keep your fingers crossed. Rush Co. may get a cemetery commission yet. Diana

Lois, this is nothing new in Indiana, as we all know. I've been by Parker cemetery many times and knew that this would happen sooner or later. God forbid that the road gets widen on the other side of St Joe Road. The bad part is that Parker is a pioneer cemetery what is very well maintained, sits on a busy corner with lots of traffic, yet 2 miles down the road is "my" Hatfield cemetery that's overgrown and has many broken headstones. This isn't the first cemetery to be moved or relocated. My GGGGG grandfather was Judge Benjamin Archer. In 1796, Benjamin and two other men, with land grants given to them for their Rev War services founded the town of Centerville, Ohio. In 1826, Benjamin moved to Allen county, Indiana where he was there also a Judge, and founded a brick yard. The first brick buildings in Fort Wayne and the first courthouse in Fort Wayne were built with his bricks. In 1833 Benjamin died and was buried in Archer cemetery. Also buried in Archer cemetery were Benjamin's wife, some children and grandchildren, along with John Chapman aka Johnny Appleseed. Before 1889, ALL the Archers were moved from the Archer cemetery to another cemetery. Then they were moved again to the Broadway cemetery so that a county jail could be built. The Broadway cemetery is now a nice park with NO graves. Nobody knows when or where the Archers were moved to. All this happened before 1889. Of course, Johnny Appleseed's grave remains in what was Archer cemetery which was renamed Johnny Appleseed Park. Brian E. Smead Terre Haute, Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:15 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Parker Cemetery at St. Joe Center Road in Ft. Wayne, IN > Thanks to Ruth Pride for alerting us to Tuesday's story about plans proposed > to move 70 graves at Parker Cemetery in Ft. Wayne: > > http://web.news-sentinel.com/content/fwnews/2001/10/02/metro/a02r_stjoecente > r_pg1a.htm > > (If this URL breaks onto more than one line, you may have to paste it back > together in your browser window or access it from the INPCRP "In the News" > page). > > Lois > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >

Sharon, That is a wonderful idea and one I hadn't thought of. Thanks! I'll give it a try. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "mills" <mills@reliable-net.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Still learning . . . > > Lisa, > > You may discover which company provided those stones by reading the probate > records, including receipts, of one of the deceased. The executor(trix) > may have provided documentation of an expense to the estate. In one > instance, I found this information in a probate record for a gr gr gr uncle > in Montgomery Co. His widow, also my relative, sent off to Lafayette for > stones for her late husband and children who died young. The stones were > delivered by rail. Over 120 years later they were recovered, broken into > tiny pieces in a cow pasture. Currently they (and about 25 other stones) > are being fitted back together like puzzle pieces. > > Another reason for searching: the original size of the stones and > information about footstones will be included in the information. That way > you can learn if this is one of those old slab stones that was buried deep > without a base. > > Sharon Mills > > > > At 09:49 AM 10/3/01 -0500, you wrote: > > Thank you (!) to Ernie and Kyle for the advice. I had no idea what I > >did was actually illegal, I was just concerned that I might have damaged the > >gravesite somehow. I have been to that cemetery a total of seven times now > >and have never seen anyone else there, which is too bad because it is a > >lovely cemetery. About the stone: I saw no base at all beneath the > >headstone, and the stone itself is only about a foot tall and maybe a foot > >and a half wide. Thanks also for the links, I'll look into making a base > >for it. This is my g-g-grandmother's grave, and all the stones of her > >relatives in that area look just like hers, leading me to believe they were > >all carved by the same person/company. I really want to make sure they > >don't deteriorate any more than they already have. > > Thanks again, I'm having so much fun learning about all of this! > > Lisa > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ernie & Connie" <elasley@sigecom.net> > >To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:40 PM > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Still learning . . . > > > > > >> Hello Lisa, > >> > >> Gently dig around the stone to see if it is set in a square base with a > >> slot, or if it is a long stone set several inches into the ground. If it > >> is a square base with a slot, dig around it until you have exposed enough > >> of it to level it, then pack good dirt, sand or pea gravel under and > >around > >> it. If it is a long slab buried into the ground (usually 14" to 18"), > >> expose enough of it so you can stand it upright easily. Be careful not to > >> force it, the small flat stones may snap easily. If it resists standing > >> upright, dig a little deeper. Once you have it standing upright, pack a > >> mixture of sand and pea gravel around it. Tamp well, and fill the last 3" > >> to 4" with dirt or sod. > >> If it is a short stone (less than 12"under ground) it should have a base > >> with a slot. If the base is missing, you can find instructions to make a > >> new one here: > >> > >> http://www.gravestonestudies.org/preservation.htm > >> > >> There is lots of helpful information on the INPRCP website here: > >> > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html > >> > >> If you have more questions, by all means please ask! There are many on > >> this list that will be happy to assist in any way they can. We may enen > >> have a member near Mt. Meridian who would be willing to come over and > >help. > >> > >> Ernie Lasley, Coordinator > >> Gibson County PCRP > >> PCRP page: http://members.sigecom.net/elasley/inpcrp/index.html > >> Cemetery page: http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibcem/gibcem.htm > >> > >> > >> > >> At 12:27 PM 10/2/01, you wrote: > >> >the trouble being that the headstone had fallen forward and sunken into > >> >the ground slightly, hiding the name. What is the proper thing to do > >when > >> >this happens? I gently pried it up, and "propped" it up by pushing some > >> >of the surrounding dirt underneath the front of the stone (it is a very > >> >small, hand-carved one). > >> >Should I have left the stone the way that it was, or was this ok to do? > >> >Thanks for any advice you can give-- > >> > Lisa > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >> >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > >> >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > >> > >> > >> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >> If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > >> > >> > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > >

Thanks to Ruth Pride for alerting us to Tuesday's story about plans proposed to move 70 graves at Parker Cemetery in Ft. Wayne: http://web.news-sentinel.com/content/fwnews/2001/10/02/metro/a02r_stjoecente r_pg1a.htm (If this URL breaks onto more than one line, you may have to paste it back together in your browser window or access it from the INPCRP "In the News" page). Lois

Lisa, You may discover which company provided those stones by reading the probate records, including receipts, of one of the deceased. The executor(trix) may have provided documentation of an expense to the estate. In one instance, I found this information in a probate record for a gr gr gr uncle in Montgomery Co. His widow, also my relative, sent off to Lafayette for stones for her late husband and children who died young. The stones were delivered by rail. Over 120 years later they were recovered, broken into tiny pieces in a cow pasture. Currently they (and about 25 other stones) are being fitted back together like puzzle pieces. Another reason for searching: the original size of the stones and information about footstones will be included in the information. That way you can learn if this is one of those old slab stones that was buried deep without a base. Sharon Mills At 09:49 AM 10/3/01 -0500, you wrote: > Thank you (!) to Ernie and Kyle for the advice. I had no idea what I >did was actually illegal, I was just concerned that I might have damaged the >gravesite somehow. I have been to that cemetery a total of seven times now >and have never seen anyone else there, which is too bad because it is a >lovely cemetery. About the stone: I saw no base at all beneath the >headstone, and the stone itself is only about a foot tall and maybe a foot >and a half wide. Thanks also for the links, I'll look into making a base >for it. This is my g-g-grandmother's grave, and all the stones of her >relatives in that area look just like hers, leading me to believe they were >all carved by the same person/company. I really want to make sure they >don't deteriorate any more than they already have. > Thanks again, I'm having so much fun learning about all of this! > Lisa > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ernie & Connie" <elasley@sigecom.net> >To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:40 PM >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Still learning . . . > > >> Hello Lisa, >> >> Gently dig around the stone to see if it is set in a square base with a >> slot, or if it is a long stone set several inches into the ground. If it >> is a square base with a slot, dig around it until you have exposed enough >> of it to level it, then pack good dirt, sand or pea gravel under and >around >> it. If it is a long slab buried into the ground (usually 14" to 18"), >> expose enough of it so you can stand it upright easily. Be careful not to >> force it, the small flat stones may snap easily. If it resists standing >> upright, dig a little deeper. Once you have it standing upright, pack a >> mixture of sand and pea gravel around it. Tamp well, and fill the last 3" >> to 4" with dirt or sod. >> If it is a short stone (less than 12"under ground) it should have a base >> with a slot. If the base is missing, you can find instructions to make a >> new one here: >> >> http://www.gravestonestudies.org/preservation.htm >> >> There is lots of helpful information on the INPRCP website here: >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html >> >> If you have more questions, by all means please ask! There are many on >> this list that will be happy to assist in any way they can. We may enen >> have a member near Mt. Meridian who would be willing to come over and >help. >> >> Ernie Lasley, Coordinator >> Gibson County PCRP >> PCRP page: http://members.sigecom.net/elasley/inpcrp/index.html >> Cemetery page: http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibcem/gibcem.htm >> >> >> >> At 12:27 PM 10/2/01, you wrote: >> >the trouble being that the headstone had fallen forward and sunken into >> >the ground slightly, hiding the name. What is the proper thing to do >when >> >this happens? I gently pried it up, and "propped" it up by pushing some >> >of the surrounding dirt underneath the front of the stone (it is a very >> >small, hand-carved one). >> >Should I have left the stone the way that it was, or was this ok to do? >> >Thanks for any advice you can give-- >> > Lisa >> > >> > >> > >> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >> >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >> >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. >> >> >> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >> If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? >> >> > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > > >

HI List, In the Communique (Indiana Historical Society Newsletter) I There is article about Susan Huber who has worked diligently to document the location of her counties cemeteries (Putnam). You can subscribe to Communique with email addressed to crendfeld@indianahistory.org In the body of message write something like 'please subscribe me to COMMUNIQUE ONLINE', and be sure to indicate the name of the local history organization you belong to. Anyone can subscribe, board, staff, volunteers, or even individual members of your organization. There is no fee. Mary J. Baldwin

Rich, I was out of town all last weekend too. What a surprise when I got home to a hundred and sixty six E-mails. The keypads were sure hot last week. Glad to see the reality of right makes might shine through again, and welcome back!

Welcome Lisa, When you can try and attend one of the workshops that are being held around the state. You will learn a bunch there. We only have one left this year on the list, and that is held this Saturday. I'm glad you have made all those visits. I will need to come to your county someday and look up the Cannan or Miller cemetery for my family. My mother-in-law told me they walked through a muddy field years ago. And the family also swam in the near by creek. Guess they made a day of it. Enjoy, L. A. Clugh Tippecanoe Co. Cemetery Restoration Committee Coordinator Visit our cemetery list at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html

In a message dated 10/3/01 9:50:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time, jtrump@ccrtc.com writes: > Thank you (!) to Ernie and Kyle for the advice. I had no idea what I > did was actually illegal, I was just concerned that I might have damaged the > gravesite somehow. If you can find someone that is experienced at cleaning and stone probing and repair, and you go to your Township Trustee with this information, you may ask him for a Letter authorizing you to clean and restore. He is Legally responsible for most cemeteries. Check and see if this one falls under his responsibility. To qualify as a "Pioneer" cemetery it technically must have been in existence in 1850 or before. But this is not always true. I have two cemeteries in Floyd County that have Pioneers that got their Land from the Government in the early 1800s and lived into their late 90s. They were born around 1795-6 and lived well into the 1800s thereby being true "Pioneers" With properly trained Help you should get a letter of permission from the Trustee. As we all know Trustees do not do the actual Repairs. They have others do the work. As a trained Volunteer you should be very welcome. The reason for the Letter is regular maintenance does not cover Stone Probing, or Epoxy Repairs. But if you, or your help is Trained, he can give you a Letter authorizing the work and you, under his direction are not breaking the Law, this comes under his Job description, according to the Law. If you are told different, please contact me Immediately. The DNR does not give out this advice I have letters authorizing the Cleaning, Probing, and Repairs for the Townships in Floyd County. I won't work on them any other Way. You will find there is "Double Standards." In effect, but If you go this way, you are under the "Legal Standard" Please, first do your leg work and make sure the cemetery comes under the Trustee. Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

Thanks Jack--I never dreamed this was all so complicated! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Still learning, > In a message dated 10/3/01 9:50:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > jtrump@ccrtc.com writes: > > > > Thank you (!) to Ernie and Kyle for the advice. I had no idea what I > > did was actually illegal, I was just concerned that I might have damaged the > > gravesite somehow. > > If you can find someone that is experienced at cleaning and stone probing > and repair, and you go to your Township Trustee with this information, you > may ask him for a Letter authorizing you to clean and restore. He is Legally > responsible for most cemeteries. Check and see if this one falls under his > responsibility. To qualify as a "Pioneer" cemetery it technically must have > been in existence in 1850 or before. But this is not always true. I have two > cemeteries in Floyd County that have Pioneers that got their Land from the > Government in the early 1800s and lived into their late 90s. They were born > around 1795-6 and lived well into the 1800s thereby being true "Pioneers" > With properly trained Help you should get a letter of permission from the > Trustee. As we all know Trustees do not do the actual Repairs. They have > others do the work. As a trained Volunteer you should be very welcome. The > reason for the Letter is regular maintenance does not cover Stone Probing, or > Epoxy Repairs. But if you, or your help is Trained, he can give you a Letter > authorizing the work and you, under his direction are not breaking the Law, > this comes under his Job description, according to the Law. If you are told > different, please contact me Immediately. The DNR does not give out this > advice I have letters authorizing the Cleaning, Probing, and Repairs for the > Townships in Floyd County. I won't work on them any other Way. You will find > there is "Double Standards." In effect, but If you go this way, you are > under the "Legal Standard" Please, first do your leg work and make sure the > cemetery comes under the Trustee. > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > Po Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > >

Thank you (!) to Ernie and Kyle for the advice. I had no idea what I did was actually illegal, I was just concerned that I might have damaged the gravesite somehow. I have been to that cemetery a total of seven times now and have never seen anyone else there, which is too bad because it is a lovely cemetery. About the stone: I saw no base at all beneath the headstone, and the stone itself is only about a foot tall and maybe a foot and a half wide. Thanks also for the links, I'll look into making a base for it. This is my g-g-grandmother's grave, and all the stones of her relatives in that area look just like hers, leading me to believe they were all carved by the same person/company. I really want to make sure they don't deteriorate any more than they already have. Thanks again, I'm having so much fun learning about all of this! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernie & Connie" <elasley@sigecom.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Still learning . . . > Hello Lisa, > > Gently dig around the stone to see if it is set in a square base with a > slot, or if it is a long stone set several inches into the ground. If it > is a square base with a slot, dig around it until you have exposed enough > of it to level it, then pack good dirt, sand or pea gravel under and around > it. If it is a long slab buried into the ground (usually 14" to 18"), > expose enough of it so you can stand it upright easily. Be careful not to > force it, the small flat stones may snap easily. If it resists standing > upright, dig a little deeper. Once you have it standing upright, pack a > mixture of sand and pea gravel around it. Tamp well, and fill the last 3" > to 4" with dirt or sod. > If it is a short stone (less than 12"under ground) it should have a base > with a slot. If the base is missing, you can find instructions to make a > new one here: > > http://www.gravestonestudies.org/preservation.htm > > There is lots of helpful information on the INPRCP website here: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html > > If you have more questions, by all means please ask! There are many on > this list that will be happy to assist in any way they can. We may enen > have a member near Mt. Meridian who would be willing to come over and help. > > Ernie Lasley, Coordinator > Gibson County PCRP > PCRP page: http://members.sigecom.net/elasley/inpcrp/index.html > Cemetery page: http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibcem/gibcem.htm > > > > At 12:27 PM 10/2/01, you wrote: > >the trouble being that the headstone had fallen forward and sunken into > >the ground slightly, hiding the name. What is the proper thing to do when > >this happens? I gently pried it up, and "propped" it up by pushing some > >of the surrounding dirt underneath the front of the stone (it is a very > >small, hand-carved one). > >Should I have left the stone the way that it was, or was this ok to do? > >Thanks for any advice you can give-- > > Lisa > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > >

I want to thank all of you nice people who took the time to answer my question. After reading through them I had to re read one of my sources. The reference I made to the graphite was in fact published in a booklet purchased from The Association of Gravestone Studies. Needless to say when I read it I did not relate it to "Stone rubbing" with paper between the graphite and stone. I imagine this is a typical error that readers can make. Again thanks for the advise. I know I have a lot of research to do before the Berrien County Genealogy Society embarks on our workshop in March. Cindy L (Skiles) Frie "SkiFri" ----- Original Message ----- From: Andi MacDonald <andimac@oz.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Chalk > Please, Cindy, > > Don't use these products on stone. They are all detrimental to the health > of the stone. > > Andi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy & Dale Frie" <skifri@qtm.net> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:50 PM > Subject: [INPCRP] Chalk > > > > I have been working along side a group of volunteers cleaning head stones. > We have been using sidewalk chalk to read the stones. > > > > I have heard recommendation of using a carpenters/lumberman chalk. We have > used something similar. A black graphite stick. Which looks like a black > chalk. This substance is rubbed on gently, then spray with water and gently > brush the stone. It gives a nice shadow effect enabling the person to read > it a little easier. > > > > Have any of you listers used graphite before, if so what is your > recommendation. And where would be a good place to purchase some in bulk? > > > > Cindy L (Skiles) Frie > > "SkiFri" > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? >

Lisa: One thing to keep in mind when working in a pioneer cemetery... since our misguided Indiana laws make it illegal to disturb the soil to retrieve a buried stone, be sure you cease all work if a conservation officer or staff member of the DNR pops up when you're in the cemetery. Don't worry, we all still do it, we just don't do it in the company of these individuals. I didn't want you to find this out the hard way... Now, with that being said, welcome to the list and keep up the good work. Kyle D. Conrad Newton County

In a message dated 10/2/01 10:21:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time, richkmball@hotmail.com writes: > Boy, am I glad I was gone over the weekend! > Rich > > Just a Normal Weekend of Discussions, you didn't miss anything Jack E. Briles Sr.

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In a message dated 10/2/01 5:15:04 PM US Eastern Standard Time, elasley@sigecom.net writes: > Jack, > > I just discovered that the Gibson County petitions HAVE NOT been sent > in! I will pick them up in the morning and get them out express mail or > something fast. Sorry about the delay Erni, Do you think Snail Mail would be here by 8:30 EST Friday. That is the latest for Post Office Reg. Mail to be put in my Box. Otherwise it would be by 8:30 Saturday Morning. Lois wants to Bundle them all with Co. and states Separated I believe Sat. would be to Late. Jack