Lisa, Paradise is a pretty song, I have been a John Prine fan since the early 70's. I too want to say welcome back Jack! We missed you and Betty at the Madison workshop, as usual I left feeling like we did not get much done in the yard, I did however bring the tombstone of Elizabeth Rea home with me to finish. Micki and I went down yesterday and reset it.The weather was so cool during the workshop that the epoxy was taking too long to kick over, but I did not want to leave it half done,it was a nice stone. The workshop in Whiteley County is next week but I am afraid we might run into the same thing as far as demonstrating epoxy repair,but then you know there is more to do than just epoxy repairs. Maybe the cool weather will chase me inside so that I can be more conversing with the group. John "Walt" Walters ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim and Lisa Trump <jtrump@ccrtc.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] I'm Responding > Jack: This is off the subject of cemeteries a bit, but have you ever heard > of the song "Paradise" by John Prine? It's about Muhlenberg county. (Just > curious, it's a pretty song and it was one of the first ones my husband > learned to play on his guitar, years ago.) > Lisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jb502000@aol.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 9:25 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] I'm Responding > > > > In a message dated 10/15/01 7:46:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > > NTFCANNON@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > Hello and welcome back Jack, how was your weekend? > > > > Good morning, Tom > > Kentucky was just like here, except maybe we had more rain. We went to a > > weekend of my wife's family visiting each other in Mulhenberg, Todd, and > > Hopkins counties. We all traveled and visited all of the older relatives > who > > couldn't get out. The Reunion was canceled, no plans had been made to hold > > them inside. It was held in 3 counties at different times over the > weekend. > > With her family if it was held at one time in one county so many would > have > > shown up the Ground would have shifted. Down there is not much else to do. > > But my wife enjoyed her self, so that's all that's important. > > We did find time to visit some of mine, and Betty's families > > Cemeteries. In that part of kentucky they are kept clean by relative > > volunteers. I wish I could find that in Indiana. We couldn't get to all we > > wanted to visit, some are in pretty isolated places. And yes some have > been > > moved by Peabody Coal Co. Just like here. Now, When you say "Get to Work" > I > > suppose you mean on the Cemeteries. I'm Ready. We will have to work on Don > > and Tom Burris to get some Community Service Workers, before they are > > committed to something else. I'm Sorry about the homecoming weather, I > knew > > it was going to be cold and wet. My son and his wife worked the Homecoming > > also on Sunday for their Church. Have a good Trip, see you when you get > back, > > GOOD LUCK > > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > > Po Box 444 > > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > > (812) 282-6585 > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > > >

In a message dated 10/15/01 7:46:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time, NTFCANNON@aol.com writes: > Hello and welcome back Jack, how was your weekend? Good morning, Tom Kentucky was just like here, except maybe we had more rain. We went to a weekend of my wife's family visiting each other in Mulhenberg, Todd, and Hopkins counties. We all traveled and visited all of the older relatives who couldn't get out. The Reunion was canceled, no plans had been made to hold them inside. It was held in 3 counties at different times over the weekend. With her family if it was held at one time in one county so many would have shown up the Ground would have shifted. Down there is not much else to do. But my wife enjoyed her self, so that's all that's important. We did find time to visit some of mine, and Betty's families Cemeteries. In that part of kentucky they are kept clean by relative volunteers. I wish I could find that in Indiana. We couldn't get to all we wanted to visit, some are in pretty isolated places. And yes some have been moved by Peabody Coal Co. Just like here. Now, When you say "Get to Work" I suppose you mean on the Cemeteries. I'm Ready. We will have to work on Don and Tom Burris to get some Community Service Workers, before they are committed to something else. I'm Sorry about the homecoming weather, I knew it was going to be cold and wet. My son and his wife worked the Homecoming also on Sunday for their Church. Have a good Trip, see you when you get back, GOOD LUCK Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585

Jack: This is off the subject of cemeteries a bit, but have you ever heard of the song "Paradise" by John Prine? It's about Muhlenberg county. (Just curious, it's a pretty song and it was one of the first ones my husband learned to play on his guitar, years ago.) Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] I'm Responding > In a message dated 10/15/01 7:46:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > NTFCANNON@aol.com writes: > > > > Hello and welcome back Jack, how was your weekend? > > Good morning, Tom > Kentucky was just like here, except maybe we had more rain. We went to a > weekend of my wife's family visiting each other in Mulhenberg, Todd, and > Hopkins counties. We all traveled and visited all of the older relatives who > couldn't get out. The Reunion was canceled, no plans had been made to hold > them inside. It was held in 3 counties at different times over the weekend. > With her family if it was held at one time in one county so many would have > shown up the Ground would have shifted. Down there is not much else to do. > But my wife enjoyed her self, so that's all that's important. > We did find time to visit some of mine, and Betty's families > Cemeteries. In that part of kentucky they are kept clean by relative > volunteers. I wish I could find that in Indiana. We couldn't get to all we > wanted to visit, some are in pretty isolated places. And yes some have been > moved by Peabody Coal Co. Just like here. Now, When you say "Get to Work" I > suppose you mean on the Cemeteries. I'm Ready. We will have to work on Don > and Tom Burris to get some Community Service Workers, before they are > committed to something else. I'm Sorry about the homecoming weather, I knew > it was going to be cold and wet. My son and his wife worked the Homecoming > also on Sunday for their Church. Have a good Trip, see you when you get back, > GOOD LUCK > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > Po Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

Hello and welcome back Jack, how was your weekend? We were working at the Harvest Homecoming and the cool weather was very pleasant for a change. It is usually hot and sunny but I can remember one or two times we had snow flurries during the festival! The rain was heavy at times this year but the overall temp. was pleasant enough. Well, Jack we have lots to do so in a week or two after I have rested lets put our plan into action. I need to go now. I will be back in touch next week. My wife and me are going to a convention for a few days. We have to fly to get there. I am not scared but I am somewhat concerned about air travel these days. See you next week. Tom

Sometimes! Traffic on this list goes in spurts, as you can see. Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bjreal332@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Quite > does it get this quite all the time when jacks gone or did everyoen go with > him > > Bob Real > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

does it get this quite all the time when jacks gone or did everyoen go with him Bob Real

Diana, good to hear this. I am looking at homes out in the Rush Co. area, Carthage to be exact. However I will not be able to move until this summer and that is dependt on how much my new job pays...if I ever find a job!! ryan On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, wmmahan wrote: > I met last night with the Rush Co. Historical Preservation group. There were about 20 people there. They were very interested in what was going on with the new laws and the States registration of the Cemeteries. I told them of wanting to get Jennie from DNR here to explain it all. Most of the group said they would come to that kind of meeting. > > I, also, talked to them about the Cemetery commission and the Pres. of the group seemed very interested in getting that going in this county. If I can get this group interested maybe it will not be to hard to get the county commissioners to set up a cemetery commission here. I took copies of what Lois had posted about Henry Co. & Newton Co.'s commissions. Also the list she has on the Web site about what some of the other counties are doing. All present was quit interested and there was even one of the county commissioners there. > > I think it was a good night. So keep your fingers crossed. Rush Co. may get a cemetery commission yet. Diana > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >

If anyone wants to send a E-mail, go ahead, I'm not responding this weekend. I'll be back Monday morning. Going to Kentucky Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

Re: Veterans Day Project. In Gibson county we are working on locating all of the 41 plus Revolutionary War Soldiers graves. Many of the stones are in need of repair, or are in bad condition or missing. We plan to have little flags set out on Nov. 11th for the ones we have found. We have re-leveled and repaired some, and so far have replaced 4 with new government replacement markers. Sadly, we have found 3 so far that the cemetery is completely gone. Now that the crops are being picked we can get in the fields to search for a few more that we think we know where they should be. Ernie At 08:06 AM 10/11/01, you wrote: How about everyone that is working on a Veteran's day project, sharing what they are doing?

In a message dated 10/11/01 10:02:13 AM US Eastern Standard Time, jtrump@ccrtc.com writes: > Attaching a bathroom to a monument to avoid building one extra wall is one > of the most disrespectful things I've ever heard of. > Lisa T. > > Lisa, Thanks to Ernies quick action they were stopped in their tracks. This the kind of Response we all need to have when we see something happening that we know is WRONG. jb502000@aol.com (Jack Briles)

Congratulations to the Owensville folks who stopped the restroom project. Who in the world would've approved something like that in the first place?! Attaching a bathroom to a monument to avoid building one extra wall is one of the most disrespectful things I've ever heard of. Lisa T. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] no mail > In a message dated 10/10/01 10:17:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > elasley@sigecom.net writes: > > > > > > Jack, > > > > I just got home from the Owensville Parks board meeting, they voted to stop > > the restroom project, remove it, and restore the monument to it's original > > condition. There is a groove through the bricks in the back that they > > sawed to attach the roof flashing that will need to be fixed. A couple of > > hundred showed up at the meeting. I wish we could get a crowd like that > > when we are trying to save a cemetery! > > > > Ernie > > > > > > Ernie, > If people like you don't speak out against the desecration of a Memorial to > those who served our country with Honor, then you won't have a turn out like > you had. Most will just say "There's' nothing I can do" And the Inevitable > Defacing of our Memorials will continue, just like it does with our > cemeteries. Thanks for being there for those of us who couldn't. I know I > speak out sometimes when a lot of our List wish I would keep quiet.. But as > long as there is a Wrong being pushed by people with Greedy motives, I will > continue to do so, whether anyone likes it or not. Ernie, I'm sure in their > hearts, if not in words, everyone wishes to thank you. When the Memorial was > built, emotions were running high like they are now. At that time some did > not come Home. The Memorial in Owensville is a Symbol that replaces > Tombstones and was a place friends and relatives could go and Remember their > Loved ones and be at Peace with God. God bless you, well done, > > jb502000@aol.com (Jack Briles) > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >

In a message dated 10/10/01 10:17:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time, elasley@sigecom.net writes: > > Jack, > > I just got home from the Owensville Parks board meeting, they voted to stop > the restroom project, remove it, and restore the monument to it's original > condition. There is a groove through the bricks in the back that they > sawed to attach the roof flashing that will need to be fixed. A couple of > hundred showed up at the meeting. I wish we could get a crowd like that > when we are trying to save a cemetery! > > Ernie > > Ernie, If people like you don't speak out against the desecration of a Memorial to those who served our country with Honor, then you won't have a turn out like you had. Most will just say "There's' nothing I can do" And the Inevitable Defacing of our Memorials will continue, just like it does with our cemeteries. Thanks for being there for those of us who couldn't. I know I speak out sometimes when a lot of our List wish I would keep quiet.. But as long as there is a Wrong being pushed by people with Greedy motives, I will continue to do so, whether anyone likes it or not. Ernie, I'm sure in their hearts, if not in words, everyone wishes to thank you. When the Memorial was built, emotions were running high like they are now. At that time some did not come Home. The Memorial in Owensville is a Symbol that replaces Tombstones and was a place friends and relatives could go and Remember their Loved ones and be at Peace with God. God bless you, well done, jb502000@aol.com (Jack Briles)

I though maybe I'd been kicked off the list again. lol Glad it was just slow and not MSN. Go Ernie! I will help with that video any way I can. How about everyone that is working on a Veteran's day project, sharing what they are doing? I am still looking for one. We have had some great brainstorming shared this year. Wish I had ask about the fair booth earlier. Some of you had wonder ideas. I am like you Ruth, it is nice to travel a different part of our great State and visit different cemeteries. They are all similar and yet there is different types of stones in each area that we can learn from. I haven't seen any of the fieldstone markers and footstones in Tippecanoe County. L. A. Clugh Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator See our cemeteries at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html

Hopefully people are mapping their plans to protect pioneer cemeteries...The Vincennes Sun Commercial finally published the letter by Richard Kimball mentioned recently regarding the cutting of funds to the Knox Co. Cemetery Commission......Ernie L. appeared on Evansville, Channel 7 news re: the Owensville War Memorial/outhouse combination he recently referred to on the site,...seems as tho the parks board there has had a change of heart....and the DNR has currently suspended burning any graveyards, until they can KNOW what damage it may be doing to the stones.....(.this info coming from the Saturday Madison Workshop) And if you haven't attended one of John and Micki Walters' workshops,,make sure you attend the next one near you.(or use it as an excuse to travel across the state ,as we did Saturday)..temperature was nicer than the 90* we had in Princeton last June......Ruth and Jerry Pride Wheatland...

In a message dated 10/10/01 8:38:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, graveyardgroomer@skyenet.net writes: > Is there anything going on or am I just not getting any mail? > > > i send,but i get no response, so i quit jack briles

Jack, I just got home from the Owensville Parks board meeting, they voted to stop the restroom project, remove it, and restore the monument to it's original condition. There is a groove through the bricks in the back that they sawed to attach the roof flashing that will need to be fixed. A couple of hundred showed up at the meeting. I wish we could get a crowd like that when we are trying to save a cemetery! Ernie At 09:50 PM 10/10/01, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/10/01 8:38:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >graveyardgroomer@skyenet.net writes: > > > > Is there anything going on or am I just not getting any mail? > > > > > > > >i send,but i get no response, so i quit >jack briles > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.

Walt, It's been pretty quiet. The last post I had was Lois' report on the Madison workshop. The local High School here has their own A/V department and television station. I'm checking in to getting them to film/videotape the stone repair techniques. I'll let you know what I find out. Ernie At 08:31 PM 10/10/01, you wrote: >Is there anything going on or am I just not getting any mail? > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.

Is there anything going on or am I just not getting any mail?

In a message dated 10/8/01 7:22:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time, elasley@sigecom.net writes: > Am I thinking wrong here? Is this different than a cemetery? > > Ernie; Your right.thinking is right. I designed and built a memorial to the people buried in a cemetery. The memorial in no way was any more of an indicator of anyone's particular Burial place than the one you are talking about. It sits in a Cleared cemetery site, but could just as well have been built at the end of the rd where you turn in a half mile away. It could just as well been built in the middle of an adjoining field. It would serve the same purpose. It was dedicated to a number of Deceased persons just as I assume your memorial was. The memorial you speak of may crumble and fall, but it will always be a dedicated memorial and should NOT be made into a back wall for a Public Outhouse. Better to have a ceremony, tear it down and build a public restroom, minus the Memorial back wall, I mean you could see through it. Our society is to quick to forget. Just save a Buck. Your right Ernie, it's still a memorial I'll back you on this, That's my opinion jb502000@aol.com (Jack Briles)

Just wanted to take a minute to thank Katherine Dill, the Indiana Historical Society, the Jefferson County Genealogy Society and EVERYONE who participated in the great Workshop in Madison on Saturday, 10/6/2001. The rain stopped about midnight on Friday night and the cemetery wasn't a bit muddy. In fact, the weather was excellent, though it was a little cool for Walt's Mastico to do its trick. Got home late Saturday night, big day at church Sunday and then spent the rest of the day glued to the TV watching the coverage of the bombing in Afghanistan. So, I'm a bit tardy posting this note of appreciation. L.A. Clugh has kindly shared with me some of the photos she took on Saturday and I hope that tonight or tomorrow I'll get them put together on a web page for you all to see. I didn't hear the final head count for attendees, but the last number I heard was about 70! Most of them stayed with us for the afternoon session in the cemetery and Walt had a large and very attentive group that stayed with him for several hours "in the yard". The first speaker Saturday morning was Rep. Markt Lytle. I was pleased to present him, on your behalf, with 2,453 signatures (the absolute "final" count). I had an opportunity to speak to Rep. Lytle before the program began and explained our concerns about the ease with which pioneer cemeteries can be dismantled and relocated in this state. The 2-1/2" thick book of signatures that I gave him included an explanation of our concerns, a breakdown of the signatures by county and by state, a copy of the 5 pages of court records that resulted in Whalen Cemetery being relocated despite the fact that it was an exception on the developer's deed, a copy of the current and previous deeds and a copy of the webpage on that cemetery. If anybody has "left-over" petitions, you can send them directly to: Rep. Markt Lytle 423 W. Main St. Madison, IN 47250 Rep. Lytle seemed genuinely surprised at what we told him was happening in the state. Jeannie Regan-Dinius was with us and a couple of times he asked her, "Is that true?" She told him it was. He had a hard time believing that the developers were circumventing the 100-foot buffer zone by just pulling the cemeteries up and moving them. Since what we are asking the Legislature to do won't cost the state a PENNY to implement, there's a fair chance that Rep. Lytle can get something passed in the upcoming short session. He promised to deliver the petitions and explain our concerns to the joint House/Senate Natural Resources Study Committee, which is meeting TOMORROW at Pokagon State Park in Angola, Indiana. (How about THAT for timing? Purely accidental, I assure you!) I also suggested to Rep. Lytle that the Study Committee might enjoy having a future meeting in Connersville so they can visit John Walters to tour his facility and see some of what Fayette County has been able to accomplish in a very short time on a limited budget. Rep. Lytle said that was a real possibility. I want to thank New Albany Township Trustee Tom Cannon for coming up to Madison to speak about the Trustees' responsibilities. I wish he could have stayed for the whole program, but he had inescapable obligations back in Floyd County. Holly Jenks came down all the way from LaPorte to speak about County Cemetery Commissions. Thank you for your remarks, Holly! I trust you had a safe trip back to the north country. Thanks to Jeannie Regan-Dinius for coming down to discuss what the DNR and the DHPA are trying to accomplish with respect to the cemetery registry started earlier this year. L.A., thanks for sharing the photos and thanks for lending a hand with the stone cleaning. Thanks too for lending your brushes. Walt and Micki were, as usual, outstanding! I heard a number of people saying how much they were able to learn just by watching Walt's demonstrations and they were really impressed with what Fayette County has been able to accomplish in such a short amount of time. We saw a lot of familiar faces and got to meet some new friends, one or two of whom have already joined the INPCRP e-mail group. I hope all of you "new-timers" will take a minute to drop a note to us at INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com to introduce yourselves. All in all, we had a great turnout and a great workshop. Thanks again to all of you who participated and a special thanks to every one of you who helped collect petition signatures. Good night. Lois