The Indiana House and Senate's NATURAL RESOURCES STUDY COMMITTEE, chaired by Rep. Markt Lytle, is holding its next meeting on TUESDAY, OCTOBER 23 and 24, 2001 in SPENCER, INDIANA (Owen County). One of the issues on the Agenda for that meeting is: (5) Cemeteries: DNR Report & Issue of Moving Pioneer Cemeteries These meetings are open to the PUBLIC. Any of you live in or near Spencer? Can you attend the meeting? The minutes from the Committee's meeting on October 9, 2001 (just 3 days after we delivered thousands of petition signatures to Rep. Lytle) are not yet on-line at http://www.ai.org/legislative/interim/committees/nrsc.html ====================================== Meeting Date: October 23 & 24, 2001 Meeting Time: 12:00 P.M. Noon on 23rd; 8:00 A.M. on 24th Meeting Place: McCormick's Creek State Park, Canyon Inn Meeting City: Spencer, Indiana Meeting Number: 4 MEETING AGENDA October 23, 2001 - Noon (1) Call to Order and Introduction of Members (2) Department of Natural Resources (DNR) Legislative Proposal (3) State Museum, Doug Noble, Museum Director (4) Conservation Officers Youth Camp - DNR Report (5) Cemeteries: DNR Report & Issue of Moving Pioneer Cemeteries (6) Preservation of Historic Sites on State Owned Property -- Historic Landmarks Foundation (7) Off Road Vehicles - Proposed Law Changes & Other Matters -- Roy Garrett & Brendan Kearns, Discover Indiana Riding Trails Brian Rowda, Indiana Four Wheel Drive Association (8) Replacement of Property Tax Loss to Localities Where State Parks are Located -- Glenn Pratt, Sierra Club (9) COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO GENERAL ASSEMBLY: A. BILL & CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT DRAFTS B. FINAL REPORT October 24, 2001 - 8:00 A.M. (1) Flintlock Rifle Season - DNR Report (2) Severe Silt Build Up in Lakes - DNR Report (3) Nongame Wild Animals - DNR Report - Treatment in Indiana and State & Federal Jurisdiction (4) Adjournment NATURAL RESOURCES STUDY COMMITTEE Legislative Services Agency 200 West Washington Street, Suite 301 Indianapolis, Indiana 46204-2789 Tel: (317) 233-0696 Fax: (317) 232-2554

Dear L.A.: Thanks for the reminder! Don't know what happened to the link on the main INPCRP webpage, but Mortar Mixes are back on there, linked from the "Resources" section near the bottom. The page itself was apparently still in place; I must have accidentally killed the link on the main page. Sorry! Lois

In a message dated 10/18/01 5:19:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time, elasley@sigecom.net writes: > Another trick that Walt taught me that I failed to mention, assemble the > box with screws (like drywall screws) It makes the box easier to take apart > and re-use. > > Ernie > by using screws 1 1/2 inch with 3/4 plywood you can build a bigger box and use dividers attached with screws to mak your base what ever size you need Instead of a bunch of boxes , you only need one and put your divedres where ever you want for the size you need. remember use a release agent on the inside of the box so the base comes out nice and dont stick very light coat of liquid soap Bob Real bjreal@aol.com

LA, Another trick that Walt taught me that I failed to mention, assemble the box with screws (like drywall screws) It makes the box easier to take apart and re-use. Ernie At 05:09 PM 10/18/01, you wrote:

LA, If you are building a base for a stone that sits in a slot, there are some good instructions on this page: http://www.gravestonestudies.org/preservation.htm Go about half way down thew page to the section that starts "The stone has broken at the base". Walt builds his boxes out of plywood, but much deeper than the 6" they show in the drawing. I would recommend building the box deeper also, at least 8" to 12" depending on the size of the stone. You can use regular pre-mix cement or pre-mix concrete, which can be found at most hardware stores and lumber companies. This is the "just add water" stuff, the sand and gravel is pre-mixed into it. These instructions are also linked from the INPCRP website here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html Ernie At 07:57 AM 10/18/01, you wrote: >Septic cemetery, Just when you think you've heard it all. lol > >Lois, I was wondering if you found the link to the Mortar mixes. I still >don't see it. >Our group is going to try and rebuild a bottom to a small tombstone this >weekend. > > >LA >Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator >See our cemeteries at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living?

In a message dated 10/18/01 12:12:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Bjreal332@aol.com writes: About Brown county Sorry I cant seem to send a E-mail right. > Jeannie, He is really civic minded,How do graves wash away in a > abandoned cemetery this guy addmitted he broke the law to the Newspaper. He > said he had permits. did Brown County give him a permit to run sewage into > a graveyard. they need to check closer on what people are doing. is someone > going out to investigate. He broke the law the minute he did the first > digging of the > Lateral Lines for the septic system in the cemetery, or even within 100 ft. > of it. I can't believe the DNR will allow a septic system to be put in > cemetery. i have read the law. he is as guilty as anyone i ever saw.This > makes me sick. it depends on the fall of the ground, but he may have came > almost deep enough with the lines to have dug into the bodies. for gods > sake when does this stop Make an Example of him so the word gets out. a > graveyard is not abandoned unless there is no bodies there. I remember > hearing, ignorance of the law is no excuse. This has to be investigaeted > At least check the story with the newspaper for the actual facts > > Bob Real bjreal332@aol.com >

Sorry about my first message Bob Real In a message dated 10/17/01 9:36:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > loismauk@home.com writes: > > > The Brown Co. Democrat newspaper ran a story today (10/17/2001) > entitled, > "SEPTIC CEMETERY? Neighbors say fingers invade graveyard". > > A Helmsburg man allegedly moved headstones and put a septic field over > an > old cemetery site in Brown Co. The property owner (Daniel Scalpelli) > acknowledged that there was an "old cemetery, approximately 100 feet > from a > residence" but denies doing anything wrong, stating, "It was falling > down, > it was washing away, I thought it was abandoned. As far as I was > concerned, > I was morally obligated to bring that place back so the graves > wouldn't wash > away." > > > Jeannie, He is really civic minded,How do graves wash away > in a abandoned cemetery > this guy addmitted he broke the law to the Newspaper. He said he had > permits. did Brown County give him a permit to run sewage into a graveyard. > they need to check closer on what people are doing. is > someone going out to investigate. He broke the law the minute he did the first digging of the > Lateral Lines for the septic system in the cemetery, or even within 100 > ft. > of it. I can't believe the DNR will allow a septic system to be put in > a > cemetery. i have read the law. he is as guilty as anyone i ever saw. > This makes > have came > almost > gods > sake,when does this stop. Make an Example of him so the word gets out. > a graveyard is not abandoned unless there is no bodies there. I > remember > hearing, ignorance of the law is no excuse. This has to be > investigaeted At > least check the story with the newspaper for the actual facts > > Bob Real > bjreal332@aol.com >

I hope enough people are upset enough to accomplish what needs to be in this situation....especially if he knew there was a burial site ahead of time.....we do have laws now........Ruth Pride

Septic cemetery, Just when you think you've heard it all. lol Lois, I was wondering if you found the link to the Mortar mixes. I still don't see it. Our group is going to try and rebuild a bottom to a small tombstone this weekend. LA Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator See our cemeteries at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html

Lois, I am guessing, maybe he was refering to "the grass is always greener over the septic tank"??? The grass would grow better over the field bed preventing erosion? This reminds me of the people who thought a restroom was acceptable on the back of a War Memorial. NOT! Ernie At 09:39 PM 10/17/01, you wrote: >I was morally obligated to bring that place back so the graves wouldn't wash >away." > > {NOTE FROM LOIS: Can anybody explain what he meant > by the final sentence above?}

The Brown Co. Democrat newspaper ran a story today (10/17/2001) entitled, "SEPTIC CEMETERY? Neighbors say fingers invade graveyard". A Helmsburg man allegedly moved headstones and put a septic field over an old cemetery site in Brown Co. The property owner (Daniel Scalpelli) acknowledged that there was an "old cemetery, approximately 100 feet from a residence" but denies doing anything wrong, stating, "It was falling down, it was washing away, I thought it was abandoned. As far as I was concerned, I was morally obligated to bring that place back so the graves wouldn't wash away." {NOTE FROM LOIS: Can anybody explain what he meant by the final sentence above?} Only part of the published story was on the Brown Co. Democrat's website. It is presently at http://www.browncountyindiana.com/update/breaking2.html , but that page will be replaced by tomorrow's edition. Anybody in the group got the REST of the story? Lois

Ruth: What in the world are you talking about? Jon >From: Pride1jw@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Quiet >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:48:20 EDT > >notice the Hatfields and McCoys are at it again...over of all things ACCESS >TO A CEMETERY.........RUTH PRIDE WHEATLAND > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Please do not send queries through this list. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

notice the Hatfields and McCoys are at it again...over of all things ACCESS TO A CEMETERY.........RUTH PRIDE WHEATLAND

Thanks, Marjorie. Though it is a bit late in the game, I have added the info to the main INPCRP webpage. Hope you have a TERRIFIC workshop!!!!!! Let us know how it turns out. Lois

Lois: Did you receive the final information concerning the cemetery workshop to be held in Columbia City, IN on Saturday, Oct.20th? It will be from 8:30 to 3:30 at the Zion Lutheran Church, Main and North Streets,Columbia City, IN. The charge is $10.00 and the presenters will be: Holly Jenks, President of the Laport County Pioneer Cemetery Commission and John Walters, Fayette County Cemetery Supervisor. The a.m. will be presentation on how the cemetery commission works,site cleaning and how to get help, stone cleaning and proper care, repair of stones, replacement of broken bases. The afternoon session will be held in Greenhill Cemetery with demonstrations of stone repair and cleaning. There is a registration form; however, it might be kind of late to get one to you--if you are interested, you might want to contact Beverly Henley at bevh@fwi.com and ask her if you can pay at the door. Marge Hoppas (Round Lake Cemetery) Columbia City, IN ----- Original Message ----- From: Lois Mauk <loismauk@home.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Quiet > Sometimes! > Traffic on this list goes in spurts, as you can see. > > Lois > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Bjreal332@aol.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 9:13 PM > Subject: [INPCRP] Quite > > > > does it get this quite all the time when jacks gone or did everyoen go > with > > him > > > > Bob Real > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. >

In a message dated 10/15/01 8:59:08 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Pride1jw@aol.com writes: > whoops.......forgot to mention , also fun to watch the poultices come off > and > the clean up of stones by Lois...and her volunteers........ > > > Lois can do something I can't, I don't have the patience to do Poulticing. > But when you look at some stones you know how important it is. She knows > how to wait. I have to see instant results. And of course we all know about > John. The Poulticing as well as the repairs need Videos !!!!!! Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

whoops.......forgot to mention , also fun to watch the poultices come off and the clean up of stones by Lois...and her volunteers........

WISH YOU WELL, JACK............... We sure enjoyed the workshop at Madison and my husband agrees it was fun to watch Walt and Micki at work...We will be ordering the epoxy , and hope to get started on some family cemeteries soon....Ruth and Jerry Pride Wheatland

In a message dated 10/15/01 4:30:24 PM US Eastern Standard Time, graveyardgroomer@skyenet.net writes: > Lisa, > Paradise is a pretty song, I have been a John Prine fan since the early > 70's. > I too want to say welcome back Jack! > Betty and I don't remember the song but we are going to. Her favorite is Loretta Lynn and Coal miners Daughter. Her whole family (Men) are Coal miners down in Muhlenberg Co. Ky. John, in order to get my Epoxy to work I artifically raise the temperature with my Torpedo Heaters. I turn the Burner on the Stone and myself and get it hot, with it on me, I know the stone is not being damaged, then Move the heat Back just to keep the area warm while I mix the Epoxy, then when the Stone gets to between 75 and 85 degrees I put it together. That's how and old time Stone Mason learns to work in cold weather. Until I got older, I worked all winter. You can also heat the stone with a propane weed burner which doesn't need electricity. Remember one thing, KEEP THE HEAT BACK AND RAISE THE TEMPERATURE SLOWLY with the Weed Burner. Heat the stone until it feels comfortable, then Stick it together. Also I have done this to quick dry my stone after a recent rain. Heck John, you've either done this or know about it, I don't need to tell you. Sorry about Madison, Something came up. Betty and I both planed to be there. I've even got the New Albany Trustee Ready to go out and work with me. See you Later, Hi Micki from Betty and I. Catch you later. I'm unsubscribing after 12:00 Noon tomorrow for about a week. IM having an Eye operation tomorrow at !:pm. If I don't catch anyone before noon tomorrow, catch everyone in about a week. Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585