Jane: I remember that story in the local newspaper about bones being found near Morristown. What I am doing in Bartholomew county is (mostly through Historical Society papers, DAR records, Deeds and old newspaper articles) trying to document each individual burial place EVER in the county, regardless of whether or not it has been moved (I have even got some old articles on "Indian Mound" excavation in the 19th century). There are too many stories about not really moving all of the bodies, so I figure it will be of interest to any landowner that there is a risk that they MIGHT encounter remains and have to stop their work. That's why I am working with the Auditor's office and marking property cards of lands with proven cemeteries located on them. The next time those pieces of property exchange hands, the new owners, auditor, recorder, commissioners and DNR will be alerted to the situation (I hope it works, but I know the odds). Anyway, I read where someone replied back saying it wasn't against the law when those property owners removed the stones, I believe it might have been. Granted, it doesn't help us any now, but, as with the Lewelling family cemetery that was plowed under (the headstones were actually buried in a shaft by the farmer) I have realized that since the cemetery existed when he bought the ground around 1900 and in the deed it was "excepted" out and he didn't pay taxes on it, he actually was on someone else's property when he removed the stones from ground he didn't own. In my eyes, he broke the law and knew he was doing it. Like I said, though, that doesn't help us much now, but it makes those who could do such a thing a little more responsible for their actions in my mind. Good luck. Cris West Columbus, IN ----- Original Message ----- From: <Misyjane15@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery or not? > Hello List, > I need some help/advise on this one. It is similar to the recent septic tank > cemetery. Two weeks ago my sister, myself and our husbands took a Sunday > drive to Shelby county near Morristown in hopes of finding our fourth > greatgrandparents. Armed with a cemetery list from the State Library compiled > in 1952 that had some simple ( and incorrect as it turns out) directions we > drove the area looking for likely places for a Pioneer Cemetery. The > Cemetery List listed four marked graves on three of our ancestors and one > other person. The list mentioned as many as 40 other graves marked with > fieldstones, one with initials carved rudely. The dates from the ancestors > 1835, 1836 and 1846. The list mentioned that when Asbury Cemetery was started > that no more burials were made in this older cemetery. To make a long story > short, we saw a man trimming trees and asked him if he knew of an old > abandoned cemetery. He said that actually he was told that at one time there > was supposed to be an old cemetery on his land and he was told that the > headstones had been turned face down to "preserve" them and covered over with > dirt. He said that actually his wife had made a rock garden from large rocks > that had been in the yard when they built their house 10 years ago, one of > them had initials carved on it and would we like to see it. We looked at the > rock garden and indeed there were initials carved in one stone. I don't have > the knowledge to say whether this was a grave marker at one time but it > seemed suspicious to me having read the comments on the 1952 Cemetery List. > He then seemed embarrassed and said that when the foundation was dug for > their house, some remains (bones) were brought up along with old nails. The > sheriff was called and someone from the state to determine whether the > remains were from a Native American and it was determined they were from a 17 > - 19 year old male caucasion. We went inside to talk to the man's wife and > she remembered that they had found a headstone - when she told me the name, > it was my 4th great grandmother. They gave the headstone to someone at the > fire station that was supposed to be a decendent. We called that person to > see what happened to the stone and he couldn't remember!!! We called the man > who owned the land before the present owners and he said that he had been > told that there was a cemetery on the land but all the graves had been moved > to Asbury Cemetery and he didn't know anything else. About that time the > wife's father and mother drove up and the older man said he remembered one > time WHEN THEY WERE HAVING THEIR SEPTIC TANK WORKED ON in the winter he was > walking in the backyard and thought he could see a headstone just below the > surface. We probed a little in the area where he thought it was but didn't > find anything. We have checked the list for Asbury Cemetery and an old entry > indicated some "bones" moved from the property I am writing about. I > personally think that some bones were moved, the Cemetery List says three or > four" but the four graves that had markers were there in 1952 and very > possibly are there now. I would like to get this "cemetery" registered with > the DNR but if there really aren't any remains there, is it really a > cemetery? If there are remains, is there someone out there that would like to > help me probe or do whatever to find them. The people that own the land now > said they would gladly let me try to find any graves short of digging up > their backyard. This is entirely to much for me to handle without some help - > any takers? > Jane Kesslar > misyjane15@aol.com > 11227 Rolling Springs Drive > Carmel, IN 46033 > (317)848-7416 > > ______________________________

Lois, Tell them that we in California are trying desperately to save the graves of Hoosier's who moved out for the gold rush (and later). The least they can do is save the graves of those who stayed home. Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Mauk" <Lois@divorceinkentucky.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > I've been asked to attended the House and Senate's Natural Resources Study > Committee meeting tomorrow in Spencer, Indiana (just west of Bloomington) to > speak to the Committee on the subject of "portable cemeteries" in Indiana. > > Is there anyone in the group who is willing or able to join me there for > "moral support"? > > We obviously got the Committee's attention with the 2,500 +/- Petition > signatures that we delivered to Rep. Lytle on 10/6/2001. This may be the > last meeting of the Committee before the Legislature goes into its short > session. Now that we have their attention, I feel it is incumbent upon us > to show up to state our case. > > Lois > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

Lois, This is an absolute disgrace what has happened there. When they found the first bones they should have stopped all construction activity until they knew what they had. Likely as not, many graves are under a part of the house or deck or who knows what! This descendant family member should have some rights under the law. Is there nothing to protect her ancestors graves available to her? Sue Silver California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery or not? > Dear Jane: > > LIke Jon said, "Welcome to cemetery preservation in Indiana". :-) > > You are dealing with several issues here. My initial advice is to FIRST do > the deed research. > > On the main INPCRP webpage, you'll find Marlene Mattox's wonderful article > on researching cemetery deeds. Use that article as your guide to go to the > county courthouse, pull the current deed and start pulling previous deeds. > You may be surprised to find that the metes and bounds (legal description) > of the cemetery can be found in a deed from the 1900s or perhaps the 1800s. > (We have a problem in Indiana with cemeteries "falling off" the deeds after > the turn of the century into the 1900s, so you may have to go back more than > 100 years to determine if the cemetery is specifically mentioned on the > deed. On the other hand, you may find it clearly stated on the current > deed.) > > Up until about 3 years ago, it was LEGAL in Indiana for anyone involved in > "any form of agriculture" to destroy the above-ground signs of a cemetery. > That is very likely what happened to the stones in this cemetery. > > Bear in mind that in years past, when people "moved a cemetery", they > oftentimes moved the stones and a symbolic shoveful of dirt. Very seldom > did they do what amounts to an archeological excavation to remove and > relocate the actual remains. This may explain the contradicting reports of > "moving" the graves and the accidental discovery of human remains. > > You might want to check the microfilms of the local newspapers for the > period of time that the accidental discovery was made 10 years ago. It may > have been reported there. > > PLEASE keep us posted as your investigation continues. > > Lois > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Misyjane15@aol.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:18 PM > Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery or not? > > > > Hello List, > > I need some help/advise on this one. It is similar to the recent septic > tank > > cemetery. Two weeks ago my sister, myself and our husbands took a Sunday > > drive to Shelby county near Morristown in hopes of finding our fourth > > greatgrandparents. Armed with a cemetery list from the State Library > compiled > > in 1952 that had some simple ( and incorrect as it turns out) directions > we > > drove the area looking for likely places for a Pioneer Cemetery. The > > Cemetery List listed four marked graves on three of our ancestors and one > > other person. The list mentioned as many as 40 other graves marked with > > fieldstones, one with initials carved rudely. The dates from the ancestors > > 1835, 1836 and 1846. The list mentioned that when Asbury Cemetery was > started > > that no more burials were made in this older cemetery. To make a long > story > > short, we saw a man trimming trees and asked him if he knew of an old > > abandoned cemetery. He said that actually he was told that at one time > there > > was supposed to be an old cemetery on his land and he was told that the > > headstones had been turned face down to "preserve" them and covered over > with > > dirt. He said that actually his wife had made a rock garden from large > rocks > > that had been in the yard when they built their house 10 years ago, one of > > them had initials carved on it and would we like to see it. We looked at > the > > rock garden and indeed there were initials carved in one stone. I don't > have > > the knowledge to say whether this was a grave marker at one time but it > > seemed suspicious to me having read the comments on the 1952 Cemetery > List. > > He then seemed embarrassed and said that when the foundation was dug for > > their house, some remains (bones) were brought up along with old nails. > The > > sheriff was called and someone from the state to determine whether the > > remains were from a Native American and it was determined they were from a > 17 > > - 19 year old male caucasion. We went inside to talk to the man's wife and > > she remembered that they had found a headstone - when she told me the > name, > > it was my 4th great grandmother. They gave the headstone to someone at the > > fire station that was supposed to be a decendent. We called that person to > > see what happened to the stone and he couldn't remember!!! We called the > man > > who owned the land before the present owners and he said that he had been > > told that there was a cemetery on the land but all the graves had been > moved > > to Asbury Cemetery and he didn't know anything else. About that time the > > wife's father and mother drove up and the older man said he remembered one > > time WHEN THEY WERE HAVING THEIR SEPTIC TANK WORKED ON in the winter he > was > > walking in the backyard and thought he could see a headstone just below > the > > surface. We probed a little in the area where he thought it was but didn't > > find anything. We have checked the list for Asbury Cemetery and an old > entry > > indicated some "bones" moved from the property I am writing about. I > > personally think that some bones were moved, the Cemetery List says three > or > > four" but the four graves that had markers were there in 1952 and very > > possibly are there now. I would like to get this "cemetery" registered > with > > the DNR but if there really aren't any remains there, is it really a > > cemetery? If there are remains, is there someone out there that would like > to > > help me probe or do whatever to find them. The people that own the land > now > > said they would gladly let me try to find any graves short of digging up > > their backyard. This is entirely to much for me to handle without some > help - > > any takers? > > Jane Kesslar > > misyjane15@aol.com > > 11227 Rolling Springs Drive > > Carmel, IN 46033 > > (317)848-7416 > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >

I've been asked to attended the House and Senate's Natural Resources Study Committee meeting tomorrow in Spencer, Indiana (just west of Bloomington) to speak to the Committee on the subject of "portable cemeteries" in Indiana. Is there anyone in the group who is willing or able to join me there for "moral support"? We obviously got the Committee's attention with the 2,500 +/- Petition signatures that we delivered to Rep. Lytle on 10/6/2001. This may be the last meeting of the Committee before the Legislature goes into its short session. Now that we have their attention, I feel it is incumbent upon us to show up to state our case. Lois

A wonderful article on the dedication of the monument for the babyland section of the cemetery... This is a little off topic, but still somewhat relevant. Those of you wishing to respond may do so directly and not on list if you wish. Does anyone who serves on a cemetery board or as a township trustee know of any cemetery that requires graves to be marked? As I index my local cemetery, I find several that are unmarked. Granted, years ago the grave could have been marked, but several are still only the temporary funeral home markers, and they disappear year by year. I'd like to require some sort of marking device, even a simple stone with a name only that the cemetery will provide at cost plus 5% or so... On that some note....what about getting a grant to make a simple marker for those that I have confirmed are unmarked? Could that be going against family's wishes to leave it unmarked? Is there any legitimate reason to leave a burial unmarked? I don't think so, but I've been known to have tainted opinions.... Any input welcomed... Kyle D. Conrad

http://www.beloitdailynews.com/1001/grav22.htm

Thanks for the great advise, I'll keep you posted. Jane

Dear Jane: LIke Jon said, "Welcome to cemetery preservation in Indiana". :-) You are dealing with several issues here. My initial advice is to FIRST do the deed research. On the main INPCRP webpage, you'll find Marlene Mattox's wonderful article on researching cemetery deeds. Use that article as your guide to go to the county courthouse, pull the current deed and start pulling previous deeds. You may be surprised to find that the metes and bounds (legal description) of the cemetery can be found in a deed from the 1900s or perhaps the 1800s. (We have a problem in Indiana with cemeteries "falling off" the deeds after the turn of the century into the 1900s, so you may have to go back more than 100 years to determine if the cemetery is specifically mentioned on the deed. On the other hand, you may find it clearly stated on the current deed.) Up until about 3 years ago, it was LEGAL in Indiana for anyone involved in "any form of agriculture" to destroy the above-ground signs of a cemetery. That is very likely what happened to the stones in this cemetery. Bear in mind that in years past, when people "moved a cemetery", they oftentimes moved the stones and a symbolic shoveful of dirt. Very seldom did they do what amounts to an archeological excavation to remove and relocate the actual remains. This may explain the contradicting reports of "moving" the graves and the accidental discovery of human remains. You might want to check the microfilms of the local newspapers for the period of time that the accidental discovery was made 10 years ago. It may have been reported there. PLEASE keep us posted as your investigation continues. Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: <Misyjane15@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery or not? > Hello List, > I need some help/advise on this one. It is similar to the recent septic tank > cemetery. Two weeks ago my sister, myself and our husbands took a Sunday > drive to Shelby county near Morristown in hopes of finding our fourth > greatgrandparents. Armed with a cemetery list from the State Library compiled > in 1952 that had some simple ( and incorrect as it turns out) directions we > drove the area looking for likely places for a Pioneer Cemetery. The > Cemetery List listed four marked graves on three of our ancestors and one > other person. The list mentioned as many as 40 other graves marked with > fieldstones, one with initials carved rudely. The dates from the ancestors > 1835, 1836 and 1846. The list mentioned that when Asbury Cemetery was started > that no more burials were made in this older cemetery. To make a long story > short, we saw a man trimming trees and asked him if he knew of an old > abandoned cemetery. He said that actually he was told that at one time there > was supposed to be an old cemetery on his land and he was told that the > headstones had been turned face down to "preserve" them and covered over with > dirt. He said that actually his wife had made a rock garden from large rocks > that had been in the yard when they built their house 10 years ago, one of > them had initials carved on it and would we like to see it. We looked at the > rock garden and indeed there were initials carved in one stone. I don't have > the knowledge to say whether this was a grave marker at one time but it > seemed suspicious to me having read the comments on the 1952 Cemetery List. > He then seemed embarrassed and said that when the foundation was dug for > their house, some remains (bones) were brought up along with old nails. The > sheriff was called and someone from the state to determine whether the > remains were from a Native American and it was determined they were from a 17 > - 19 year old male caucasion. We went inside to talk to the man's wife and > she remembered that they had found a headstone - when she told me the name, > it was my 4th great grandmother. They gave the headstone to someone at the > fire station that was supposed to be a decendent. We called that person to > see what happened to the stone and he couldn't remember!!! We called the man > who owned the land before the present owners and he said that he had been > told that there was a cemetery on the land but all the graves had been moved > to Asbury Cemetery and he didn't know anything else. About that time the > wife's father and mother drove up and the older man said he remembered one > time WHEN THEY WERE HAVING THEIR SEPTIC TANK WORKED ON in the winter he was > walking in the backyard and thought he could see a headstone just below the > surface. We probed a little in the area where he thought it was but didn't > find anything. We have checked the list for Asbury Cemetery and an old entry > indicated some "bones" moved from the property I am writing about. I > personally think that some bones were moved, the Cemetery List says three or > four" but the four graves that had markers were there in 1952 and very > possibly are there now. I would like to get this "cemetery" registered with > the DNR but if there really aren't any remains there, is it really a > cemetery? If there are remains, is there someone out there that would like to > help me probe or do whatever to find them. The people that own the land now > said they would gladly let me try to find any graves short of digging up > their backyard. This is entirely to much for me to handle without some help - > any takers? > Jane Kesslar > misyjane15@aol.com > 11227 Rolling Springs Drive > Carmel, IN 46033 > (317)848-7416 > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > >

Jane, Welcome to Cemetery Preservation in Indiana! I know what you are up against and I wish you all the luck. I am too far away to help you hunt, but check old topo maps and ariel photos prior to that were flown about 1940 and also deed records for that property in the early 1800's to see if it was reserved out. You may get lucky! Call the DAHP in Indianapolis and see if they have anything on the property from the investigation in the 50's or 60's. I would watch what you do probing and certainly do not dig! The fact that you know (assume) that there is a cemetery there gets into touchy stuff when it comes to disturbing the ground. You can determine when he dug his basement and maybe there is a sheriff's report. Talk to older people to see what they know as well as, if available, funeral home records might give an insight to where they were buried. At any rate, like they say, short of "digging up the backyard", you will have to determine what if anything you can do about it if it does pan out to be there. If it is documented, technically that landowner can't pull a weed in his flower garden without disturbing the earth within a hundred feet. That makes for a great land owner relationship, so maybe it's best to leave the DNR out of it for a while. Check cemetery books at the courthouse to see if it has ever been platted or recorded. I doubt it. In our county only 10 out 170 have been. Technically, I guess, the stone and stories you have already come across might classify it as a cemetery. At least a cemetery to be disproved not proved. Hang in there and I wish you luck. Jon Andrews >From: Misyjane15@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery or not? >Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:18:52 EDT > >Hello List, >I need some help/advise on this one. It is similar to the recent septic >tank >cemetery. Two weeks ago my sister, myself and our husbands took a Sunday >drive to Shelby county near Morristown in hopes of finding our fourth >greatgrandparents. Armed with a cemetery list from the State Library >compiled >in 1952 that had some simple ( and incorrect as it turns out) directions we >drove the area looking for likely places for a Pioneer Cemetery. The >Cemetery List listed four marked graves on three of our ancestors and one >other person. The list mentioned as many as 40 other graves marked with >fieldstones, one with initials carved rudely. The dates from the ancestors >1835, 1836 and 1846. The list mentioned that when Asbury Cemetery was >started >that no more burials were made in this older cemetery. To make a long story >short, we saw a man trimming trees and asked him if he knew of an old >abandoned cemetery. He said that actually he was told that at one time >there >was supposed to be an old cemetery on his land and he was told that the >headstones had been turned face down to "preserve" them and covered over >with >dirt. He said that actually his wife had made a rock garden from large >rocks >that had been in the yard when they built their house 10 years ago, one of >them had initials carved on it and would we like to see it. We looked at >the >rock garden and indeed there were initials carved in one stone. I don't >have >the knowledge to say whether this was a grave marker at one time but it >seemed suspicious to me having read the comments on the 1952 Cemetery List. >He then seemed embarrassed and said that when the foundation was dug for >their house, some remains (bones) were brought up along with old nails. The >sheriff was called and someone from the state to determine whether the >remains were from a Native American and it was determined they were from a >17 >- 19 year old male caucasion. We went inside to talk to the man's wife and >she remembered that they had found a headstone - when she told me the name, >it was my 4th great grandmother. They gave the headstone to someone at the >fire station that was supposed to be a decendent. We called that person to >see what happened to the stone and he couldn't remember!!! We called the >man >who owned the land before the present owners and he said that he had been >told that there was a cemetery on the land but all the graves had been >moved >to Asbury Cemetery and he didn't know anything else. About that time the >wife's father and mother drove up and the older man said he remembered one >time WHEN THEY WERE HAVING THEIR SEPTIC TANK WORKED ON in the winter he was >walking in the backyard and thought he could see a headstone just below the >surface. We probed a little in the area where he thought it was but didn't >find anything. We have checked the list for Asbury Cemetery and an old >entry >indicated some "bones" moved from the property I am writing about. I >personally think that some bones were moved, the Cemetery List says three >or >four" but the four graves that had markers were there in 1952 and very >possibly are there now. I would like to get this "cemetery" registered with >the DNR but if there really aren't any remains there, is it really a >cemetery? If there are remains, is there someone out there that would like >to >help me probe or do whatever to find them. The people that own the land now >said they would gladly let me try to find any graves short of digging up >their backyard. This is entirely to much for me to handle without some help >- >any takers? >Jane Kesslar >misyjane15@aol.com >11227 Rolling Springs Drive >Carmel, IN 46033 >(317)848-7416 > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hello List, I need some help/advise on this one. It is similar to the recent septic tank cemetery. Two weeks ago my sister, myself and our husbands took a Sunday drive to Shelby county near Morristown in hopes of finding our fourth greatgrandparents. Armed with a cemetery list from the State Library compiled in 1952 that had some simple ( and incorrect as it turns out) directions we drove the area looking for likely places for a Pioneer Cemetery. The Cemetery List listed four marked graves on three of our ancestors and one other person. The list mentioned as many as 40 other graves marked with fieldstones, one with initials carved rudely. The dates from the ancestors 1835, 1836 and 1846. The list mentioned that when Asbury Cemetery was started that no more burials were made in this older cemetery. To make a long story short, we saw a man trimming trees and asked him if he knew of an old abandoned cemetery. He said that actually he was told that at one time there was supposed to be an old cemetery on his land and he was told that the headstones had been turned face down to "preserve" them and covered over with dirt. He said that actually his wife had made a rock garden from large rocks that had been in the yard when they built their house 10 years ago, one of them had initials carved on it and would we like to see it. We looked at the rock garden and indeed there were initials carved in one stone. I don't have the knowledge to say whether this was a grave marker at one time but it seemed suspicious to me having read the comments on the 1952 Cemetery List. He then seemed embarrassed and said that when the foundation was dug for their house, some remains (bones) were brought up along with old nails. The sheriff was called and someone from the state to determine whether the remains were from a Native American and it was determined they were from a 17 - 19 year old male caucasion. We went inside to talk to the man's wife and she remembered that they had found a headstone - when she told me the name, it was my 4th great grandmother. They gave the headstone to someone at the fire station that was supposed to be a decendent. We called that person to see what happened to the stone and he couldn't remember!!! We called the man who owned the land before the present owners and he said that he had been told that there was a cemetery on the land but all the graves had been moved to Asbury Cemetery and he didn't know anything else. About that time the wife's father and mother drove up and the older man said he remembered one time WHEN THEY WERE HAVING THEIR SEPTIC TANK WORKED ON in the winter he was walking in the backyard and thought he could see a headstone just below the surface. We probed a little in the area where he thought it was but didn't find anything. We have checked the list for Asbury Cemetery and an old entry indicated some "bones" moved from the property I am writing about. I personally think that some bones were moved, the Cemetery List says three or four" but the four graves that had markers were there in 1952 and very possibly are there now. I would like to get this "cemetery" registered with the DNR but if there really aren't any remains there, is it really a cemetery? If there are remains, is there someone out there that would like to help me probe or do whatever to find them. The people that own the land now said they would gladly let me try to find any graves short of digging up their backyard. This is entirely to much for me to handle without some help - any takers? Jane Kesslar misyjane15@aol.com 11227 Rolling Springs Drive Carmel, IN 46033 (317)848-7416

Lois, They were great hosts in Columbia City, Whitley Co. Lots of interest in their area. As usual John Walters and his wife gave an excellent on hands in the GreenHill Cemetery. we invited them all to join your list and see all the interesting material on your web site. I think we generated a large interest group. As usual it is so interesting to see how other counties care for their cemeteries. I want to thank Jeannette Brown, Co Historian; the Genealogy Society and the Historical Society and all the other volunteers who put on such a successful workshop. And the weather was perfect. I havent processed the Madison workshop photos, but will put them on line as soon as I get them processed. Holly Jenks LaPorte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marjorie Hoppas" <margkeybd@rexnet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Quiet > Lois: > > Did you receive the final information concerning the cemetery workshop > to be held in Columbia City, IN on Saturday, Oct.20th? > > It will be from 8:30 to 3:30 at the Zion Lutheran Church, Main and North > Streets,Columbia City, IN. > > The charge is $10.00 and the presenters will be: Holly Jenks, President > of the Laport County Pioneer Cemetery Commission and John Walters, Fayette > County Cemetery Supervisor. > > The a.m. will be presentation on how the cemetery commission works,site > cleaning and how to get help, stone cleaning and proper care, repair of > stones, replacement of broken bases. The afternoon session will be held in > Greenhill Cemetery with demonstrations of stone repair and cleaning. > > There is a registration form; however, it might be kind of late to get > one to you--if you are interested, you might want to contact Beverly Henley > at bevh@fwi.com and ask her if you can pay at the door. > > Marge Hoppas > (Round Lake Cemetery) > Columbia City, IN >

In a message dated 10/20/01 6:26:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time, dee@ccrtc.com writes: > Jack > > Is there any way we could get together one day between Oct 31 and Nov 2nd Art, How about November 1st, that's the only day I have Available.between Oct. 31st. and Nov. 2nd.? Sure Let me Know what time. Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

Paul My wife is a Toby, Renn, Banet, Didat descendant. Add in Marquet & Thomasset and you about have it from the Knobs. Art Dillman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smith" <smithp@iquest.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Back to work > Art, my name is Paul Smith. I saw the following message on the INCRP > listserv. > > I am curious as to the identity of your wife's grandmother. I have > great-grandparents and other relatives buried there. Maybe we are related. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Art Dillman <dee@ccrtc.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:33 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Back to work > > > > Jack > > > > Is there any way we could get together one day between Oct 31 and Nov 2nd > at > > St. Mary's in Floyds Knobs. We have a very special stone there that is > > broken. Normally I would do it myself, but the stone is a Grandmother of > my > > wife's and my wife won't let me touch it. She saw your work up here, and > > that was my undoing. She thinks I should be able to do a job like you. > Heck, > > I have only been at this a short time. I asked her if she would let you > and > > she OKd that. So, could I impose on you? Please! > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > >

Art, my name is Paul Smith. I saw the following message on the INCRP listserv. I am curious as to the identity of your wife's grandmother. I have great-grandparents and other relatives buried there. Maybe we are related. ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Dillman <dee@ccrtc.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Back to work > Jack > > Is there any way we could get together one day between Oct 31 and Nov 2nd at > St. Mary's in Floyds Knobs. We have a very special stone there that is > broken. Normally I would do it myself, but the stone is a Grandmother of my > wife's and my wife won't let me touch it. She saw your work up here, and > that was my undoing. She thinks I should be able to do a job like you. Heck, > I have only been at this a short time. I asked her if she would let you and > she OKd that. So, could I impose on you? Please! >

Jack Is there any way we could get together one day between Oct 31 and Nov 2nd at St. Mary's in Floyds Knobs. We have a very special stone there that is broken. Normally I would do it myself, but the stone is a Grandmother of my wife's and my wife won't let me touch it. She saw your work up here, and that was my undoing. She thinks I should be able to do a job like you. Heck, I have only been at this a short time. I asked her if she would let you and she OKd that. So, could I impose on you? Please! Art Dillman ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: [INPCRP] Back to work > > I'm Back, I know, no big deal, > FYI, my Eye Operation was serious, but successful and I have nearly 20 vision > in my right eye, where I did have only 20% vision. I recovered about 80% that > I had Lost. In January my Left will be operated on. I only have 50% in it. > Monday I start back to work visiting cemeteries in New Albany Twp. with Tom > Cannon, Trustee, I also hope to take him to some of the Remote cemeteries in > the county in other Townships. Maybe he can get the other Trustees interested > in more than the 3 or 4 they now each clean. I had my operation before the > leaves all fell so I can look for More "Lost" Sites. Good Luck to everyone on > your Fall Projects. This coming fall and Spring may be a Small turning point > in all of our efforts, we may begin turning the corner and make some > progress, God Willing, > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > Po Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >

Thanks to Ruth Pride for alerting us to an article in the 10/20/2001 Johnson Co. Daily Journal entitled "Stories in Stone -- Group chronicles the graves of Johnson County" The story has one of those REALLY long URLS: http://www.thejournalnet.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=24726&Se ctionID=1&SubSectionID=211 You'll probably have to paste it back together in your browser window, or you can access it from the INPCRP In the News page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/inthenews.html Thanks, Ruth. Lois

I'm Back, I know, no big deal, FYI, my Eye Operation was serious, but successful and I have nearly 20 vision in my right eye, where I did have only 20% vision. I recovered about 80% that I had Lost. In January my Left will be operated on. I only have 50% in it. Monday I start back to work visiting cemeteries in New Albany Twp. with Tom Cannon, Trustee, I also hope to take him to some of the Remote cemeteries in the county in other Townships. Maybe he can get the other Trustees interested in more than the 3 or 4 they now each clean. I had my operation before the leaves all fell so I can look for More "Lost" Sites. Good Luck to everyone on your Fall Projects. This coming fall and Spring may be a Small turning point in all of our efforts, we may begin turning the corner and make some progress, God Willing, Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

Dont forget tomorrow is the workshop in Whitley Co., Columbia City with John Walters.

If anyone in the Franklin area is interested, here is a nice tour. Mary Jane Baldwin Historic Walk Through Greenlawn Cemetery Local history enthusiasts in Franklin, IN, invite the public to participate in a Historic Walk Through Greenlawn Cemetery on October 21 from 2 pm to 4 pm. Guided tours will leave at regular intervals in rain or shine. The last tour will leave at 3:15 pm. Proceeds from the event will go toward the Johnson County Cemetery Project. The event is sponsored by the City of Franklin, Johnson County Historical Society, Johnson County Museum of History, Johnson County Public Library, and Telling Our Story. For more information, contact the Johnson County Museum of History at (317) 736-4655.

Has anyone seen a webpage that has epitaphs listed? Lois, No thank you! The INPCRP page is really wonderful and I use it often. We are going to rebuild a bottom of a small stone this Sunday and will be using those mortar mixes. I will make sure everyone knows where to find the link. I figured as you were changing things it slipped away. HTML stuff. Have a great weekend! L.A. Clugh Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator See our cemeteries at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html