I have identified about 155 "sites" here in Bartholomew County, but we have about 20 that were "moved" for the building of Camp Atterbury (which eliminated 2 entire townships) in 1941. Those graves were moved to Johnson county and we have had a few pop-up that were moved within the last 50 years. For the most part, we have about 75 cemeteries that have markers left (just a preliminary guess) and I have only seen about 25 with my own eyes. I spend nice sunny Saturdays with my digital camera and county maps driving around a different area each chance I get. Cris West Columbus, IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Tielking" <tielking@knightstown.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: [INPCRP] # of cemeteries in each county > Hello everyone. I am curious about the number of cemeteries known in each county in Indiana. The reason I ask is that Hancock Co. has 92 "known" cemeteries. This seems like a low number to me. > Does anyone have a tally? > Angela Tielking > tielking@knightstown.net > > ______________________________

Lois, You are an amazing gal. Thank you for going and giving it your best. L. A. Clugh

Angela, According to a writer by the name of Max Walters (no relations) Fayette Co. has 94 cemeteries. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: G Tielking <tielking@knightstown.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: [INPCRP] # of cemeteries in each county > Hello everyone. I am curious about the number of cemeteries known in each county in Indiana. The reason I ask is that Hancock Co. has 92 "known" cemeteries. This seems like a low number to me. > Does anyone have a tally? > Angela Tielking > tielking@knightstown.net > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > > >

Dear Angela: I've identified approximately 190 in Clark Co. The number at one time reached about 210, but I eliminated a number of duplicates (different names; same property). Since I add 2 to 4 new ones a year to that number, I'm sure we'll top 200 eventually. And, of course, there are dozens that we'll NEVER know about -- the tiny ones that no one ever recorded, isolated graves, Indian burial sites, etc. Also, that 190 includes the ones that are "GONE", the ones we can't find them, but we KNOW they existed. Bear in mind that the Clark Co. area was settled a good deal earlier than most of the rest of the state. And, when the settlers came here, they fanned out all over the place. I seem to recall Monroe Co.'s number being something in the neighborhood of 300. I think Tippecanoe Co. has identified something like 133. Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Tielking" <tielking@knightstown.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: [INPCRP] # of cemeteries in each county > Hello everyone. I am curious about the number of cemeteries known in each county in Indiana. The reason I ask is that Hancock Co. has 92 "known" cemeteries. This seems like a low number to me. > Does anyone have a tally? > Angela Tielking > tielking@knightstown.net > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > >

Hello, We have at least 202 in Gibson County. See: http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibcem/gibcem.htm Ernie At 07:34 PM 10/23/01, you wrote: >Hello everyone. I am curious about the number of cemeteries known in each >county in Indiana. The reason I ask is that Hancock Co. has 92 "known" >cemeteries. This seems like a low number to me. >Does anyone have a tally? >Angela Tielking >tielking@knightstown.net > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Please do not send queries through this list.

Hello everyone. I am curious about the number of cemeteries known in each county in Indiana. The reason I ask is that Hancock Co. has 92 "known" cemeteries. This seems like a low number to me. Does anyone have a tally? Angela Tielking tielking@knightstown.net

Thanks very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jb502000@aol.com To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Concrete Block Grave Markers In a message dated 10/22/01 11:34:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, yetzkejm@qtm.net writes: > Are you talking about patio bricks? We have wondered about using one in a > cemetery we are restoring in Michigan > > No, > I am talking about 4 X 8 X 16 Solid concrete block, 4 inches thick, 8 > inches wide and 16 inches long, Be sure they are concrete, not lightweight. > Lightweight will Deteriorate over a few years. In construction we use only > Concrete under Ground. The Block are Stood on End, Set the flat side facing > east and west. Bury them 8 inches in the Ground. I put them back in the > Hole that the Fieldstone come out of. As far as using them at a Depression > to mark a grave, you may have to use a long piece of string to line them up > with any other stones in the row. These are actually more appropriate than > a Field stone that you cant see, or find. They look very neat. because they > are all uniform in size and shape. Hope this helps.!!! Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585 ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

Hello All, I think the main reason that some graves go unmarked was because the family could not afford the price of the stone. In some cases graves were marked with wood grave markers that deteriorated with time, or with a softer stone that weathered away. Field stones were moved by people that did not know what they were there for. "Just another rock in the field." Jack's idea of the concrete block is a great inexpensive way to mark a grave. Less chance of someone moving it years later because they think it is "just another rock", and it will indicate to others that a grave is located there even though the name is unknown. We have had some inexpensive replacement stones cut for graves where we could identify names and dates from old records, and only fragments of the original stone was found, not enough to repair. They were made to look like the original stone as best that could be determined by the remaining fragments, or made to look like the stones in the cemetery from that time period. These were paid for by descendants of the person. I can send links to pictures of these replacement stones if anyone is interested. We also placed one of these markers with a field stone that had initials carved on it. A family researcher and descendant of the person sent us the name and birth & death dates of the person buried there. The field stone with the initials was left there as the original marker, and the new stone set with it to identify who that person was and when they lived and died. I know of a cemetery in West Virginia that had several unmarked graves, and a Sunday School class of the church next to it researched burial records and set concrete markers much like the ones that Jack sets, with the names and dates painted on them. The paint will probably weather away with time, but at lease the graves are identified until they can afford a more permanant marker. I agree with you Kyle, it should at least be marked as a grave. Or if we can find the funding and have the information, give that person a name and dates. Ernie At 03:01 PM 10/23/01, you wrote: > > KidClerk@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > On that some note....what about getting a grant to make a simple marker >for > > > those that I have confirmed are unmarked? Could that be going against > > > family's wishes to leave it unmarked? Is there any legitimate reason to > > > leave a burial unmarked? I don't think so, but I've been known to have > > > tainted opinions.... > > > > > > Any input welcomed... > > > > > > Kyle D. Conrad > > > > > > > > > Kyle, > > > > I have a couple of cemeteries that have a lot of Brown Field stone that >are > > hard to see. I decided to remove a Fieldstone and replace it with a 4 X 8 >X > > 16 solid Concrete Block I bury them half way in the Ground on End and Pack > > the Ground around them. The fellow maintaining the one cemetery says it >sure > > makes it easier to Mow. I put a Sand and Gravel mix under them to bring >them > > up to height. The fieldstone have no name on them anyhow. I saw this 5 >years > > ago down in Kentucky where some of my wife's family are buried. If they >are > > hit they can be straightened. They look nice. They all match. The >Fieldstone > > you can hardly see and the mowers run over them Just an Idea. I am > > considering doing this on grave sites that have nothing but a Depression. >And > > the block cost about $1.20 ea. Not Expensive to replace if hit and Broken. > > Also the Children's story is very poignant. No one should go unmarked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > > Po Box 444 > > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > > (812) 282-6585 > > Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to >LoisMauk@usa.net.

Actually, one of the early entrepreuners in El Dorado County came her from LaPorte. His name was Dr. Leverett Bradley. He and his sons came out first and the went back for his wife, Maria. He was a civil engineer and designed a ditch and canal system that was known as the Bradley, Berdan & Co. ditch and reservoirs. It took water from the South Fork of the American River and Weber Creeks and sent it westward where there were only little creeks and streams. A good portion of that system is still in use today. Dr. Bradley also surveyed the California State Wagon Road BEFORE the state surveyor got there. He made several recommendations that were accepted (and others that weren't.) His son, Joseph Bradley, apparently despondent over business losses (a lawsuit) and a letter from his intended in Indiana, committed suicide in December 1853. His grave is in the Diamond Springs Cemetery on what was part of the original emigrant road from Pleasant Valley to Sacramento City. Another son, Cyrus H. Bradley, was also in this county and in Folsom, Sacramento County. He had a number of merchantile stores in both counties. He married Cordelia Rickey, whose father is credited with founding the town of Ione, Amador County, south of Sacramento County. They moved to Oakland in the latter part of the 1860's, lost a couple of kids there, and ended up in Los Angeles, where he died in 1906. In 1992, I bought the house Cyrus and his partner built in Folsom in the year 1859. That's partly how I became interested in history and then, ultimately cemeteries. "The Bradley House" is the only bed and breakfast in Folsom today (if you exclude Folsom Prison!). It is one of the oldest houses in that town. One of Cyrus' daughters became the wife of the first Chancellor of the University of Southern California (USC). That's as far as I know of the family. I believe that Dr. Bradley and his wife, Maria, lost two children while living in LaPorte County. Don't know where their graves are though. Everybody has a story. Sometimes the only one you learn is that told from the grave stone. May we remember them always. Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Nelson" <dnelson@csinet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > Thanks for the reply. If you ever find anyone as listed with origins > in LaPorte County Indiana, I'd love to hear about it. Our early > county history details several "associations" of men who went to the > California gold fields. Some returned, others did not. This accounts > for my interest in your project(s). > > Thanks again. > > Donna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > Hi Donna, > > > > Not to my knowledge - at least not statewide. In our county we are > doing > > Interment Identification Listings and compiling old tombstone > inventories, > > news death notices and obituaries, church records, etc. We also > pull all > > the census information on the families, and in this way we are able > to > > identify (for the most part) where are deceased pioneers came from. > > > > Eventually it would be nice to be able to have a complete database > with this > > information so it could be manipulated by that type of variable. > > Hmmm...just another project....ack! > > > > Sue Silver > > El Dorado County > > (where the 1848-49 rush first started...) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "D. Nelson" <dnelson@csinet.net> > > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > > > > This question is for Sue -- is there a list available which shows > the > > > known Hoosiers who died there during the Gold Rush? It would be > > > interesting to see who they are and where they're from. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> > > > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > > > > > > > Lois, > > > > > > > > Tell them that we in California are trying desperately to save > the > > > graves of > > > > Hoosier's who moved out for the gold rush (and later). The > least > > > they can > > > > do is save the graves of those who stayed home. > > > > > > > > Sue Silver > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lois Mauk" <Lois@divorceinkentucky.com> > > > > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:19 PM > > > > Subject: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been asked to attended the House and Senate's Natural > > > Resources Study > > > > > Committee meeting tomorrow in Spencer, Indiana (just west of > > > Bloomington) > > > > to > > > > > speak to the Committee on the subject of "portable cemeteries" > in > > > Indiana. > > > > > > > > > > Is there anyone in the group who is willing or able to join me > > > there for > > > > > "moral support"? > > > > > > > > > > We obviously got the Committee's attention with the 2,500 +/- > > > Petition > > > > > signatures that we delivered to Rep. Lytle on 10/6/2001. This > may > > > be the > > > > > last meeting of the Committee before the Legislature goes into > its > > > short > > > > > session. Now that we have their attention, I feel it is > incumbent > > > upon us > > > > > to show up to state our case. > > > > > > > > > > Lois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >

Thanks for the reply. If you ever find anyone as listed with origins in LaPorte County Indiana, I'd love to hear about it. Our early county history details several "associations" of men who went to the California gold fields. Some returned, others did not. This accounts for my interest in your project(s). Thanks again. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > Hi Donna, > > Not to my knowledge - at least not statewide. In our county we are doing > Interment Identification Listings and compiling old tombstone inventories, > news death notices and obituaries, church records, etc. We also pull all > the census information on the families, and in this way we are able to > identify (for the most part) where are deceased pioneers came from. > > Eventually it would be nice to be able to have a complete database with this > information so it could be manipulated by that type of variable. > Hmmm...just another project....ack! > > Sue Silver > El Dorado County > (where the 1848-49 rush first started...) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Nelson" <dnelson@csinet.net> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > This question is for Sue -- is there a list available which shows the > > known Hoosiers who died there during the Gold Rush? It would be > > interesting to see who they are and where they're from. > > > > Thanks. > > Donna > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> > > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > > > > Lois, > > > > > > Tell them that we in California are trying desperately to save the > > graves of > > > Hoosier's who moved out for the gold rush (and later). The least > > they can > > > do is save the graves of those who stayed home. > > > > > > Sue Silver > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lois Mauk" <Lois@divorceinkentucky.com> > > > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:19 PM > > > Subject: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > > > > > > > I've been asked to attended the House and Senate's Natural > > Resources Study > > > > Committee meeting tomorrow in Spencer, Indiana (just west of > > Bloomington) > > > to > > > > speak to the Committee on the subject of "portable cemeteries" in > > Indiana. > > > > > > > > Is there anyone in the group who is willing or able to join me > > there for > > > > "moral support"? > > > > > > > > We obviously got the Committee's attention with the 2,500 +/- > > Petition > > > > signatures that we delivered to Rep. Lytle on 10/6/2001. This may > > be the > > > > last meeting of the Committee before the Legislature goes into its > > short > > > > session. Now that we have their attention, I feel it is incumbent > > upon us > > > > to show up to state our case. > > > > > > > > Lois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only.

Stillborn babies until a few years ago were many times put in 'unconsecrated' ground, they called it at some cemeteries.Ground that was provided for that purpose by various churches. The babies were not 'named' and the hospitals buried them as a service in that manner as an alternative to cremation. Not a very good 'reason' but ...since they had not been born alive it was a poignant subject to say the least. Connecticut is the state that did/does this, in conjunction with Hartford Hospital for one. Sue Noe ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Illinois- unmarked infant graves > In a message dated 10/22/01 1:50:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > KidClerk@aol.com writes: > > > > On that some note....what about getting a grant to make a simple marker for > > those that I have confirmed are unmarked? Could that be going against > > family's wishes to leave it unmarked? Is there any legitimate reason to > > leave a burial unmarked? I don't think so, but I've been known to have > > tainted opinions.... > > > > Any input welcomed... > > > > Kyle D. Conrad > > > > > > Kyle, > > I have a couple of cemeteries that have a lot of Brown Field stone that are > hard to see. I decided to remove a Fieldstone and replace it with a 4 X 8 X > 16 solid Concrete Block I bury them half way in the Ground on End and Pack > the Ground around them. The fellow maintaining the one cemetery says it sure > makes it easier to Mow. I put a Sand and Gravel mix under them to bring them > up to height. The fieldstone have no name on them anyhow. I saw this 5 years > ago down in Kentucky where some of my wife's family are buried. If they are > hit they can be straightened. They look nice. They all match. The Fieldstone > you can hardly see and the mowers run over them Just an Idea. I am > considering doing this on grave sites that have nothing but a Depression. And > the block cost about $1.20 ea. Not Expensive to replace if hit and Broken. > Also the Children's story is very poignant. No one should go unmarked. > > > > > > > > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > Po Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >

Hi Marge, Send me his name and I'll see if I can learn anything else for you. Also, if it states where he died (a town, mining camp, etc), that would also be helpful. Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargeorJohnYetzke" <yetzkejm@qtm.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > This is for Sue. Does a list exist naming Michiganders who died in the gold rush? My GGGrandfather died along the America River in Dec 1851 or Jan 1852. I have a letter stating he died but we have never known where he is buried. > Marge > in Michigan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Silver > To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:51 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > Lois, > > Tell them that we in California are trying desperately to save the graves of > Hoosier's who moved out for the gold rush (and later). The least they can > do is save the graves of those who stayed home. > > Sue Silver > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lois Mauk" <Lois@divorceinkentucky.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:19 PM > Subject: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > I've been asked to attended the House and Senate's Natural Resources Study > > Committee meeting tomorrow in Spencer, Indiana (just west of Bloomington) > to > > speak to the Committee on the subject of "portable cemeteries" in Indiana. > > > > Is there anyone in the group who is willing or able to join me there for > > "moral support"? > > > > We obviously got the Committee's attention with the 2,500 +/- Petition > > signatures that we delivered to Rep. Lytle on 10/6/2001. This may be the > > last meeting of the Committee before the Legislature goes into its short > > session. Now that we have their attention, I feel it is incumbent upon us > > to show up to state our case. > > > > Lois > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > >

Hi Donna, Not to my knowledge - at least not statewide. In our county we are doing Interment Identification Listings and compiling old tombstone inventories, news death notices and obituaries, church records, etc. We also pull all the census information on the families, and in this way we are able to identify (for the most part) where are deceased pioneers came from. Eventually it would be nice to be able to have a complete database with this information so it could be manipulated by that type of variable. Hmmm...just another project....ack! Sue Silver El Dorado County (where the 1848-49 rush first started...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Nelson" <dnelson@csinet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > This question is for Sue -- is there a list available which shows the > known Hoosiers who died there during the Gold Rush? It would be > interesting to see who they are and where they're from. > > Thanks. > Donna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > Lois, > > > > Tell them that we in California are trying desperately to save the > graves of > > Hoosier's who moved out for the gold rush (and later). The least > they can > > do is save the graves of those who stayed home. > > > > Sue Silver > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lois Mauk" <Lois@divorceinkentucky.com> > > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:19 PM > > Subject: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > > > > I've been asked to attended the House and Senate's Natural > Resources Study > > > Committee meeting tomorrow in Spencer, Indiana (just west of > Bloomington) > > to > > > speak to the Committee on the subject of "portable cemeteries" in > Indiana. > > > > > > Is there anyone in the group who is willing or able to join me > there for > > > "moral support"? > > > > > > We obviously got the Committee's attention with the 2,500 +/- > Petition > > > signatures that we delivered to Rep. Lytle on 10/6/2001. This may > be the > > > last meeting of the Committee before the Legislature goes into its > short > > > session. Now that we have their attention, I feel it is incumbent > upon us > > > to show up to state our case. > > > > > > Lois > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >

Hello, everyone. My name is Pat Kneisler. I'm a civil engineer from Benicia, CA, who just signed up for this list. Benicia is a quaint little town about 35-40 miles northeast of San Francisco up where the Sacramento River becomes the Carquinez Straits just before it dumps into the northern regions of The Bay. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think I'd wind up on a committee to renovate an old cemetery. But here I am ... just beginning my research for the task ahead. The cemetery in question is a real diamond in the rough ... the city-owned Benicia City Cemetery ... established in 1847, with marked graves dating back to 1849. That's pretty "old" for this neck of the woods. It's a 24 acre property crowning a peaceful, tree-covered hill that overlooks downtown Benicia and the Straits. It is estimated that some 4,000 people are buried here, with burials continuing to this day in the newer, more recently developed sections (with plenty of room for even more expansion). There are even some "semi-famous" folks buried here ... like the mountain man, Miles Goodyear, who founded the city of Ogden, Utah. And Elsie Robinson, an inspirational columnist for the Hearst papers who was read by millions in the 1930's. But it would break your heart to see what years of city budgetary constraints, neglect and vandalism have done to the place. Literally scores of tombstones in the historic sections have been overturned (and frequently broken) by people looking for "thrills" in years past. In the last and most notorious incident in 1988, someone actually drove a 4-wheel-drive vehicle up to the cemetery and, using a chain, managed to pull down some of the largest monuments on the property. What "thrills" a person could possibly gain from such senseless acts are totally beyond me. Since then, security has been improved a hundredfold with electronic gates, fencing repairs, security cameras and increased police patrols ... and I'm happy to say there has been no further vandalism. But, oh ... what a mess they have left behind. And Mother Nature hasn't been much kinder, leaving dozens and dozens of old plots crumbling into ruin. This winter, a team of us volunteers will do an accurate documentation of every gravesite in the historic sections so that a comprehensive plan for repairs can be drawn up. And this winter I hope to do as much research as possible to discover the "do's and don'ts" of restoring an old cemetery, assembling a technical manual that is geared to the vagaries of this particular property. To that end, I'm hoping I can discuss specific problems I'm facing with those of you on this list who have already been down this road. Believe me, I'm grateful for this type of resource ... and for all the interesting articles I've been finding while browsing the Internet. Hopefully, in the very near future, I can get a website up and running so you can actually see this very unique place for yourselves. Thanks so much for providing this forum! Pat Kneisler Benicia, CA pknize@pacbell.net

In a message dated 10/22/01 11:34:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, yetzkejm@qtm.net writes: > Are you talking about patio bricks? We have wondered about using one in a > cemetery we are restoring in Michigan > > No, > I am talking about 4 X 8 X 16 Solid concrete block, 4 inches thick, 8 > inches wide and 16 inches long, Be sure they are concrete, not lightweight. > Lightweight will Deteriorate over a few years. In construction we use only > Concrete under Ground. The Block are Stood on End, Set the flat side facing > east and west. Bury them 8 inches in the Ground. I put them back in the > Hole that the Fieldstone come out of. As far as using them at a Depression > to mark a grave, you may have to use a long piece of string to line them up > with any other stones in the row. These are actually more appropriate than > a Field stone that you cant see, or find. They look very neat. because they > are all uniform in size and shape. Hope this helps.!!! Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

This is for Sue. Does a list exist naming Michiganders who died in the gold rush? My GGGrandfather died along the America River in Dec 1851 or Jan 1852. I have a letter stating he died but we have never known where he is buried. Marge in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Silver To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee Lois, Tell them that we in California are trying desperately to save the graves of Hoosier's who moved out for the gold rush (and later). The least they can do is save the graves of those who stayed home. Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Mauk" <Lois@divorceinkentucky.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > I've been asked to attended the House and Senate's Natural Resources Study > Committee meeting tomorrow in Spencer, Indiana (just west of Bloomington) to > speak to the Committee on the subject of "portable cemeteries" in Indiana. > > Is there anyone in the group who is willing or able to join me there for > "moral support"? > > We obviously got the Committee's attention with the 2,500 +/- Petition > signatures that we delivered to Rep. Lytle on 10/6/2001. This may be the > last meeting of the Committee before the Legislature goes into its short > session. Now that we have their attention, I feel it is incumbent upon us > to show up to state our case. > > Lois > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living?

Are you talking about patio bricks? We have wondered about using one in a cemetery we are restoring in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jb502000@aol.com To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Illinois- unmarked infant graves In a message dated 10/22/01 1:50:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time, KidClerk@aol.com writes: > On that some note....what about getting a grant to make a simple marker for > those that I have confirmed are unmarked? Could that be going against > family's wishes to leave it unmarked? Is there any legitimate reason to > leave a burial unmarked? I don't think so, but I've been known to have > tainted opinions.... > > Any input welcomed... > > Kyle D. Conrad > > > Kyle, I have a couple of cemeteries that have a lot of Brown Field stone that are hard to see. I decided to remove a Fieldstone and replace it with a 4 X 8 X 16 solid Concrete Block I bury them half way in the Ground on End and Pack the Ground around them. The fellow maintaining the one cemetery says it sure makes it easier to Mow. I put a Sand and Gravel mix under them to bring them up to height. The fieldstone have no name on them anyhow. I saw this 5 years ago down in Kentucky where some of my wife's family are buried. If they are hit they can be straightened. They look nice. They all match. The Fieldstone you can hardly see and the mowers run over them Just an Idea. I am considering doing this on grave sites that have nothing but a Depression. And the block cost about $1.20 ea. Not Expensive to replace if hit and Broken. Also the Children's story is very poignant. No one should go unmarked. > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585 ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)

This question is for Sue -- is there a list available which shows the known Hoosiers who died there during the Gold Rush? It would be interesting to see who they are and where they're from. Thanks. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > Lois, > > Tell them that we in California are trying desperately to save the graves of > Hoosier's who moved out for the gold rush (and later). The least they can > do is save the graves of those who stayed home. > > Sue Silver > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lois Mauk" <Lois@divorceinkentucky.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:19 PM > Subject: [INPCRP] Natural Resources Study Committee > > > > I've been asked to attended the House and Senate's Natural Resources Study > > Committee meeting tomorrow in Spencer, Indiana (just west of Bloomington) > to > > speak to the Committee on the subject of "portable cemeteries" in Indiana. > > > > Is there anyone in the group who is willing or able to join me there for > > "moral support"? > > > > We obviously got the Committee's attention with the 2,500 +/- Petition > > signatures that we delivered to Rep. Lytle on 10/6/2001. This may be the > > last meeting of the Committee before the Legislature goes into its short > > session. Now that we have their attention, I feel it is incumbent upon us > > to show up to state our case. > > > > Lois > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living?

In a message dated 10/22/01 1:50:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time, KidClerk@aol.com writes: > On that some note....what about getting a grant to make a simple marker for > those that I have confirmed are unmarked? Could that be going against > family's wishes to leave it unmarked? Is there any legitimate reason to > leave a burial unmarked? I don't think so, but I've been known to have > tainted opinions.... > > Any input welcomed... > > Kyle D. Conrad > > > Kyle, I have a couple of cemeteries that have a lot of Brown Field stone that are hard to see. I decided to remove a Fieldstone and replace it with a 4 X 8 X 16 solid Concrete Block I bury them half way in the Ground on End and Pack the Ground around them. The fellow maintaining the one cemetery says it sure makes it easier to Mow. I put a Sand and Gravel mix under them to bring them up to height. The fieldstone have no name on them anyhow. I saw this 5 years ago down in Kentucky where some of my wife's family are buried. If they are hit they can be straightened. They look nice. They all match. The Fieldstone you can hardly see and the mowers run over them Just an Idea. I am considering doing this on grave sites that have nothing but a Depression. And the block cost about $1.20 ea. Not Expensive to replace if hit and Broken. Also the Children's story is very poignant. No one should go unmarked. > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

It's an unusual case, but Jack Johnson (1878-1946), the controversial boxer who was the first African-American world heavyweight champion, is buried in an unmarked grave here in Chicago's Graceland Cemetery. There is a plot marker with the last name "Johnson" and a stone for his wife Etta, but the family decided not to mark Jack Johnson's own grave. They were worried about possible vandalism or desecration because of the racial hatred he encountered during his life.