Hello all, Be sure you note the difference between "taxes" and "assessments". Assessments in a geographical location for specific upgrades to a road, or street lights, or sewers, etc., may be made to every property, whether cemetery or not. Cemeteries may be taken for non-payment of assessments. Check the local laws. Andi ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] a cemetery and taxes (un)paid thereon > In a message dated 10/30/01 1:49:54 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > rvkeller@iupui.edu writes: > > > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, mills wrote: > > > > > Can a county government sell for non-payment of taxes, non-taxed > > > land? > > > > I don't see why not. Not paying taxes is a no no. The Sheriff can then > > put your land/house up for auction to bring in taxes due. > > > > > > > > Cemeteries without a Church for funds, or one that has no Funds IS NOT > > TAXED at least in Floyd Co. Also St. Johns Cemetery in Morgan Twp. in > > Harrison Co. has no funds. But it has been listed under the Central Barren > > Christian Church, with the Trustees as the contacts. They don't own it, but > > the Assessors office says it was listed that way when they came into > > Office. Even with this arrangement, no Taxes are charged to anyone for St. > > Johns. I asked if Central Barren Trustees pay Taxes on the Cemetery. The > > assessor assured me NO ONE PAID ANY TAXES ON ST JOHNS CEMETERY, REGARDLESS > > OF WHO IT IS LISTED UNDER. This is a deeded Cemetery, dating from 1847. If > > a Cemetery has a deed or an EXCEPTION on the property deed, no taxes are > > due or payable by anyone. > > > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > Po Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >

Hi Pam, This isn't about a cemetery. We have a cemetery here in our county that has three marked graves. One is Eli C. Steward (Stewart) who died in June 1852. His stone (now stolen but recorded earlier) state he was a native of Crawford County, Indiana. I am trying to find more information about him and his family. He was born circa 1832. Land Patents on the BLM web site lists an Eli T. Stewart, and there is also a James Stewart and a David M. Stewart. I didn't know if there were any historians who might give me a hand by checking the 1840 and 1850 census to see who our Eli C. Steward/Stewart belongs to. Thanks, Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: <HMix506765@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Crawford County, Indiana > In a message dated 11/3/01 11:22:48 PM Central Standard Time, > crjones@hsonline.net writes: > > > > Is there anyone in Crawford County that could give me a hand with > > > > I have contacts there, is there something specific you are needing? > > Is is about the Old Leavenworth Cemetery down by the water of the Ohio river > being turned into a golf course? I am still trying to find out about that one > as my ancestors were buried there and all the markers are gone leaving a > beautiful place for a golf course for the guy who is buying up all the land > in Leavenworth. (wow, did all of that spew out? I guess I still have some > issues over this matter and can't find out squat!) The commissioners still > won't tell anyone anything. > > Pam Mix Carroll > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >

In a message dated 11/3/01 11:22:48 PM Central Standard Time, crjones@hsonline.net writes: > Is there anyone in Crawford County that could give me a hand with > I have contacts there, is there something specific you are needing? Is is about the Old Leavenworth Cemetery down by the water of the Ohio river being turned into a golf course? I am still trying to find out about that one as my ancestors were buried there and all the markers are gone leaving a beautiful place for a golf course for the guy who is buying up all the land in Leavenworth. (wow, did all of that spew out? I guess I still have some issues over this matter and can't find out squat!) The commissioners still won't tell anyone anything. Pam Mix Carroll

Art, I hope everything went well at your re-cleaning of Little Flock. At least the Rain stopped and we had sun all Day. I was coming down and go clean some at old St. Peters, but I had to much to do. Hope Little Flock was not grown up to bad. I was going to stop, but never even got that far. I did go out to Saint Mary's of the Knobs and removed the Clamp and cleaned the 3 little spots off that ran under the Duct tape. I also lightly cleaned the stone, also tell your wife, the Stone next to the repair we did on Her Great Grand ? stone, the one that she cleaned a little bit on, I cleaned it up and it is not Gray Marble or Granite. It is a very light White stone with very small reddish brown spots in it. A real pretty Stone. The color really came out on the wide top with MOTHER written on it. I forgot my camera today, but I will get photos in the next week or so and send them to Her. I also may, before it gets to cold, go out and Repair the other 2 broken stones. I looked, they were broken this summer by Maintenance. By the way, Hornets were out around 3:00 this evening, hope not down there in Harrison Co. Later, Jack E. Briles, Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585

Hi, Is there anyone in Crawford County that could give me a hand with something? Thanks, Sue Silver El Dorado Co., CA

Excerpted from the 10/22/2001 minutes of the NATURAL RESOURCES STUDY COMMITTEE, which met in Spencer, Indiana (on-line in their entirety at http://www.ai.org/legislative/interim/committees/nrsc.html ): Issue: Cemeteries; DNR Report & Moving of Pioneer Cemeteries ================================================== Chairman Lytle presented a petition signed by more than 2,000 people. The petition states that pioneer cemeteries should not be portable and that it should not be a simple process to move one. The document will be filed with Legislative Services Agency (LSA). Jeannie Regan-Dinius, DNR Cemetery Registry Coordinator, in response to a request from the Committee, reported on progress in the cemetery registry program established under the recently revised cemetery law. She distributed to the Committee a document entitled "Indiana's Statewide Cemetery and Burial Grounds Registry" (Exhibit B). Ms. Regan-Dinius reported that 125,000 burial sites exist in Indiana. DNR partners with local and national groups to assist in the registry work. The goal is by next spring to have a group in all counties partnered with DNR and to have information in Indianapolis on cemeteries in all counties. Ten counties now have cemetery commissions, but most are inactive with no funds. The creation of new cemetery commissions is pending in several counties. The best way that a person can boost local registry work is to contact and work with the local historical society. For problems discovered with abandoned cemeteries, ask a Conservation Officer to investigate the situation. If you find an old cemetery, call Ms. Regan-Dinius, and she will tell you what actions you can take to have it registered and preserve its artifacts. Marsh Davis, Historic Landmarks Foundation (HLF), stated that HLF is pleased with the work that DNR is doing on the cemetery registry project. The goal, once the data is collected, is to hold a statewide symposium on preservation. HLF welcomes partnership with DNR on the registry project. Chairman Lytle presented a document entitled "Cemetery Restoration Workshop, October 6, 2001, Madison, Indiana" (Exhibit C). He stated that the legislature dealt with the cemetery issue in the last few sessions and has made inroads in the problem. However, this work needs to continue. Dan Mathis, DNR, stated that there are three ways to move a cemetery: (1) court order; (2) state department of health (DOH) permit; or (3) DNR permit from the Division of Historic Preservation and Archeology (DHPA). A DOH permit is used to move one grave and requires permission of the landowner and the decedent's spouse or parent (of deceased child). Ms. Regan-Dinius stated that a DNR permit to excavate a cemetery was granted only once for a project near the Indianapolis airport. Lois Mauk, State Coordinator, Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project, distributed a document entitled "How Difficult Is It to Move a Pioneer Cemetery in Indiana?" (Exhibit D). She stated that six cemeteries in two counties are in danger of being moved since January of this year. The problem is that it is just too simple for developers to get a court order to move these cemeteries. There is also the issue of who owns the land if the cemetery plot is an exemption from the developer's deed to the property. Right now, the information that must be filed to get a court order varies by county. If statute required the filing of certain information, the protection of cemeteries would be improved. This information (from page 17 of Exhibit D) is: owner of the cemetery property; current survey of the property; publication of legal notice of intent to disinter; verification of tax status of the property; acquiescence of the township trustee; disinterment plan prepared by a qualified archeologist; date of last known burial; record of all known stones and markers; and approval of the plan by DNR DHPA. A post-disinterment report should also be required to be filed with the county recorder. Current law does not require a professional to be present on site when a cemetery is disinterred. A funeral director is required on site for a reinterment. Ms. Mauk would like the process of moving a cemetery to be so burdensome that other alternatives are considered. John Molitor, HLF, stated that the situation is disgraceful. As a starting point, a DNR variance should be required to move a cemetery. There was discussion of various remedies, including removing the court from the process, requiring denial of a DNR variance application before going to court, or appointing someone (perhaps the township trustee) to speak for the "decedents in need of services". DNR representatives stated that it does not have the resources to review all developers' requests to move cemeteries. The Committee agreed that cemetery removal is a problem, but do not at this time have a solution. Members will work on this issue during the [upcoming Legislative] session. # # # END OF EXCERPT # # #

Walt, Hancock Co.'s first cemetery commission board meeting will be Nov. 7. Could they contact the Fayette Co. cemetery commission board if they have any questions? Do they contact Ed? I am to "address" the board that evening and I am going to mention how wonderful Fayette Co. is in cemetery restoration and to see how they would feel about being the second county in the state to do what Fayette Co. is doing (smile). Angela p.s. Is Fayette Co. planning another open house in the spring?

Thanks Jack. You are always a help! Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] headstones > Angela' > I have found from experience that if they are lying on the ground firm, face > up, in the spring the pieces will be much cleaner. The only exception to this > is the broken ends. If you lean them against the other part of the stone, put > a small piece of plastic under the end. Otherwise, don't worry, they were > broken and buried, and the weather never effected them then, no reason to > worry this winter. Relax, Worry about the Family. Good Luck! > > Jack E. Briles, Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > PO Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living?

Angela' I have found from experience that if they are lying on the ground firm, face up, in the spring the pieces will be much cleaner. The only exception to this is the broken ends. If you lean them against the other part of the stone, put a small piece of plastic under the end. Otherwise, don't worry, they were broken and buried, and the weather never effected them then, no reason to worry this winter. Relax, Worry about the Family. Good Luck! Jack E. Briles, Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

Hi Jack, I will not be able to epoxy them this fall. I am pregnant and have been having irregular contractions since 29 weeks gestation. I am to be "lounging around". So they will have to lay where they are until I can get back out there sometime this spring. So do I leave them be, uncovered, or do I have Greg cover them back up with some soil? Thanks, Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] headstones > In a message dated 10/30/01 8:58:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > tielking@knightstown.net writes: > > > > Hello all, > > > > There has been a cemetery restoration project that began this spring and is > > not completed. For all the headstones that have been uncovered for repair > > and resetting, should they be recovered to protect them against the winter > > elements? > > > > Thanks, > > Angela Tielking > > > > > > Angela, > > If you are planing to Epoxy them, they will have to be dry. And the Temp > > will have to be at or above about 40 degrees. I use a Propane Weed Burner > > from a distance to raise the stone temperature to about 75 degrees. If they > > are broken on a steep slant, they will not bond quickly. They may have to > > be Clamped for 2 or 3 days until they have a chance to set. You may apply > > very moderate heat to dry the ends and warm them so they can be epoxied and > > will set. If they are Tablets that are out of the Base, they could be > > photographed, their location very plainly marked and removed maybe 2 at a > > time to a dry warm area. > Be sure you have permission (Written) from the Responsible > Trustee. Also > the names and a copy of the photo for him to > > keep in his files until you are finished. After they are repaired, return > > and set them back in the base. Then try a couple more. If they have been > > buried, and are now exposed the weather will only wash the dirt off. But be > > sure you dry them later before you try repairs. This is only my opinion. > > For every person on the List who would agree with me, probably 3 or more > > would disagree. Good Luck; > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > PO Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only.

You must have forgot Knox County, because I have not run into anybody here who has heard from you. >From: "Regan-Dinius, Jeannie" <JRdinius@dnr.state.in.us> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Researching Cemeteries >Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 07:50:50 -0500 > >Letters have been sent from the DNR to ALL Township Trustees, Auditors, >Recorders, County Commissioners, and Area Plan Commissions regarding the >recently passed laws. I am doing the best I can to let people know about >the laws while also trying to locate all of the cemeteries. > >The best thing that everyone can do is be the local advocate. I can't >possibly know what construction project is happening everywhere in the >state, but the group can keep an eye on their areas. > >When you see something that even might be illegal, contact me. I'll pass >the information onto the proper people in our office. The investigations >might go slow, but they do go. And results are happening across the state. > >Once our Conservation Officers investigate and if an arrest is made, then >it >is up to the local prosecutor to take the case. So again, we need your >local advocacy. DNR does not prosecute, we only investigate. > >If you have individual questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at >the office. I'll do my best to get the answers to your questions as >quickly >as possible. Our staff is busy, but we do care very much about cemeteries; >if we didn't we would not be in this field. > >Jeannie Regan-Dinius >Cemetery Registry Coordinator >Department of Natural Resources >Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology >317/232-1646 >317/232-0693 (fax) >402 W. Washington Street RM W274 >Indianapolis, IN 46204 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jb502000@aol.com [mailto:Jb502000@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:57 PM >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Researching Cemeteries > > >In a message dated 10/30/01 7:56:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >cherokee@shelbynet.net writes: > > > > cherokee@shelbynet.net (Christine West) > > > > Chris, >The point I have been making is that, when a developer goes before the >County >or City Zoning Boards Who, or how does the Board know if a cemetery is on >the >property under consideration. If they approve a Development without being >told one way or another, they could approve a Project and the Individual, >or > >Developer could pull up the stones, and regardless if you have it recorded >or >not, it can be destroyed before anyone realized it. > Once the Building has been built, or the Ground moved the >Developers will continue to plead Ignorance of the Law. So if they destroy >the cemetery, all that can be done is slap the wrist of the individual. A >Small fine is a cheap price to pay, but the Cemetery is Gone. Someone has >to > >be responsible for asking a very simple question, "Is there a Cemetery, >Graveyard, or Burial Site on this property. I have been to meetings lately >and no one mentions cemeteries. In Floyd Co. our Zoning Board is aware of >this, because I told Them. But they still don't ask the Developer That one >simple question. > Sorry if my Disgust is showing thru. I do not think my >responsibility is to go to every meeting and keep reminding them. Copies of >the Law should be Sent to every Zoning Board, City and County in Indiana, >by > >the DNR and make it an official notification. I shouldn't have to be a >watch > >Dog for the Zoning Boards. Anyone that is not having Cemeteries moved or >destroyed like Lois and I, here in Clark and Floyd Counties may not have >much sympathy for us, but it can happen anywhere sooner than Later. Chris >ask >your Local Zoning board if they know about the Present Cemetery Laws. > >Jack E. Briles Sr. >Floyd County PCRP Coordinator >Po Box 444 >New Albany, In. 47151-0444 >(812) 282-6585 >Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of >England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Please do not send queries through this list. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Amen, Jack! You stole my line about having to be the watchdog. That is exactly what I told them this week. Bottom line, they get paid for it. We don't. Jon >From: Jb502000@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Researching Cemeteries >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:57:15 EST > >In a message dated 10/30/01 7:56:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >cherokee@shelbynet.net writes: > > > > cherokee@shelbynet.net (Christine West) > > > > Chris, >The point I have been making is that, when a developer goes before the >County >or City Zoning Boards Who, or how does the Board know if a cemetery is on >the >property under consideration. If they approve a Development without being >told one way or another, they could approve a Project and the Individual, >or >Developer could pull up the stones, and regardless if you have it recorded >or >not, it can be destroyed before anyone realized it. > Once the Building has been built, or the Ground moved the >Developers will continue to plead Ignorance of the Law. So if they destroy >the cemetery, all that can be done is slap the wrist of the individual. A >Small fine is a cheap price to pay, but the Cemetery is Gone. Someone has >to >be responsible for asking a very simple question, "Is there a Cemetery, >Graveyard, or Burial Site on this property. I have been to meetings lately >and no one mentions cemeteries. In Floyd Co. our Zoning Board is aware of >this, because I told Them. But they still don't ask the Developer That one >simple question. > Sorry if my Disgust is showing thru. I do not think my >responsibility is to go to every meeting and keep reminding them. Copies of >the Law should be Sent to every Zoning Board, City and County in Indiana, >by >the DNR and make it an official notification. I shouldn't have to be a >watch >Dog for the Zoning Boards. Anyone that is not having Cemeteries moved or >destroyed like Lois and I, here in Clark and Floyd Counties may not have >much sympathy for us, but it can happen anywhere sooner than Later. Chris >ask >your Local Zoning board if they know about the Present Cemetery Laws. > >Jack E. Briles Sr. >Floyd County PCRP Coordinator >Po Box 444 >New Albany, In. 47151-0444 >(812) 282-6585 >Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of >England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

You bring up some interesting points! >From: "Christine West" <cherokee@shelbynet.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] Researching Cemeteries >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:55:59 -0600 > >After I find out the Section, Township & Range of a cemetery, I go to the >BLM website (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/search/search.asp). THere I can >enter the state, county, section, township and range I want and, unless it >is in section 16 (schools) it will tell me the name and purchase date of >the >original landowner. I take that name and flip thru the first 1 or 2 >indexes >to deeds in the Recorder's office. > >If I know where it is on a map, I go to the Auditor's office for the >Auditor's Plat Maps. These are the drawn maps of each section that show >each individual parcel of ground and give each parcel a number which you >can >cross reference in 3-ring binders on shelves in the same office (at least >in >Bartholomew County). Looking here first will show you whether or not the >cemetery is viewed legally as a cemetery by the county. If it is, it will >show up as an individual parcel, regardless of who owns it. Most of the >ones I am finding that are mapped are listed as tax-exempt and the owner is >usually something like "trustees of a cemetery" or "cemetery association" >and these are viewed for the most part as non-existent groups, with no >addresses or contacts. They are pulled from deeds when the GIS department >mapped the area. A lot of them are those mysterious "excepted" pieces of >ground that no one seems to own. > >As for a cemetery on private ground, if it has not been surveyed or >subdivided recently, there is a good chance it will not show up on any >current deed or plat map. That would mean taxes are paid on it. The >recently re-discovered Lewelling graveyard was an "excepted" quarter of an >acre for which taxes were never paid. It first appeared in the transfer of >the land outside of the family around 1870 and the cemetery was in the >middle of the land and only mentioned in the deed as being in the north >part >of the remaining 60 acre tract. It was probably farmed under about 1940 >and >no one today can remember ever seeing it. This made it impossible to place >on the Plat Map, so it wasn't. Looking at those maps alone, you would have >no idea that there was a cemetery there. > >I have also found transfer books at the auditor's office very useful. THey >are the old books that were kept to cross-reference the transaction of land >before spread sheets. >I recently found that a cemetery here, the Mt. Pleasant U.B. cemetery (a >church that was in existence from about 1880 to 1940) was not on the >Auditor's Plat map, but being cared for by the township trustee. THe >current deeds do not contain any mention of it, even though it is a >beautiful cemetery that has probably 50 or more graves in it. I started >with the original landowner and moved forward through the old transfer >books >until I found where he sold 1 acre of ground to the trustees of the Mt. >Pleasant U.B. church. I took the date of the transfer to the recorder's >office and looked in their books and found the deed that described in poles >the outline of the cemetery. It conflicts with the current property lines >and the GIS department is looking into it now. > >You guys are providing the best questions and answers for this topic. I >plan on taking my list of cemeteries back to the commissioners by January >with a list of questions that need answers that a cemetery BOARD should be >there to provide, or else they will have to deal with answering them. So >far these are the ones I have for them: > >1 - Who owns a cemetery that has been "excepted" out of a piece of ground? >Can a landowner claim adverse possession on ground this ground? > >2 - Who owns a cemetery that was deeded to a board of trustees or >association that no longer exists? > >3 - Can the auditor, recorder, surveyor, assessor or plan commission be >held >resonsible from now on for encroachments into the 100 ft. buffer zone of >cemeteries? > >4 - Shouldn't each township trustees have written and clear standards of >maintenance on each cemetery in their care? Shouldn't we, as taxpayers, be >able to hold them up to those standards and wouldn't that be much easier >with a cemetery board that oversees this work? > >5 - Shouldn't the 100 foot buffer zone around a cemetery be surveyed, >mapped >and shown as an easement on each parcel of ground it affects? Wouldn't >that >save the average citizen money and a big headache if they should run into >human remains while building their dream home? > > >Got any more, anyone? > > >Cris West >Columbus, IN > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

RIGHT, (b) A development plan: (1) must be approved if a person intends to construct a new structure or alter or repair an existing structure that would signifacantly impact the burial ground or cemetery; and (2) is not required if a person intends to erect, alter, or repair an existing structure for an incidental or existing use that would not impact the burial ground or cemetery.

Jack, The cemetery records are not organized in such a way as to clearly indicate the last burial in the original plot. I _think_ I read of an early 1940's burial in the original plot. There have been burials in the addition within the year, but that section is not contested. As to what the owner wants to do, I think he wanted to own the cemetery because of the land use to which he put the church portion. If he was the owner, perhaps no one would question. People who have talked with him have found him quite cocky about his position. I appreciate all your thoughts and those of Chris West, who wrote a very helpful "how-to" last night. I'm in the area of the cemetery a couple of times a month, since I live elsewhere. If I can designate a bit of time each trip to a county office, I should eventually see what I have. I think I'm going to find that taxes have been paid on the original plot for the past year or so. Sharon At 09:34 PM 10/30/01 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/30/01 8:55:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >mills@reliable-net.net writes: > > >> So the problem for me is, even though the county COULDN'T sell the >> cemetery, I fear it MAY HAVE. Does the COULDN'T nullify the POSSIBLY DID? >> >> Sharon >> >> >> You can only find out from the Assessor's records. The Plat Map for the >> Section should show who owns the cemetery. It will show if the property >> passed thru the County's hands to the present owner. What's the owner going >> to do with the cemetery. He can't Plow it up, what's his plans.? The >> assessor can tell you if they plan to asses taxes on the cemetery in the >> coming tax period. That is the only way you will ever find out. If they >> don't tax it, the Trustee will have to take it over, unless there have been >> burials since 1939. I can't remember if you said there had been. The >> Assessors records are public records, you can find out. I do it all the >> time. > > >Jack E. Briles Sr. >Floyd County PCRP Coordinator >Po Box 444 >New Albany, In. 47151-0444 >(812) 282-6585 >Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. > > >

Letters have been sent from the DNR to ALL Township Trustees, Auditors, Recorders, County Commissioners, and Area Plan Commissions regarding the recently passed laws. I am doing the best I can to let people know about the laws while also trying to locate all of the cemeteries. The best thing that everyone can do is be the local advocate. I can't possibly know what construction project is happening everywhere in the state, but the group can keep an eye on their areas. When you see something that even might be illegal, contact me. I'll pass the information onto the proper people in our office. The investigations might go slow, but they do go. And results are happening across the state. Once our Conservation Officers investigate and if an arrest is made, then it is up to the local prosecutor to take the case. So again, we need your local advocacy. DNR does not prosecute, we only investigate. If you have individual questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at the office. I'll do my best to get the answers to your questions as quickly as possible. Our staff is busy, but we do care very much about cemeteries; if we didn't we would not be in this field. Jeannie Regan-Dinius Cemetery Registry Coordinator Department of Natural Resources Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology 317/232-1646 317/232-0693 (fax) 402 W. Washington Street RM W274 Indianapolis, IN 46204 -----Original Message----- From: Jb502000@aol.com [mailto:Jb502000@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:57 PM To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Researching Cemeteries In a message dated 10/30/01 7:56:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time, cherokee@shelbynet.net writes: > cherokee@shelbynet.net (Christine West) > Chris, The point I have been making is that, when a developer goes before the County or City Zoning Boards Who, or how does the Board know if a cemetery is on the property under consideration. If they approve a Development without being told one way or another, they could approve a Project and the Individual, or Developer could pull up the stones, and regardless if you have it recorded or not, it can be destroyed before anyone realized it. Once the Building has been built, or the Ground moved the Developers will continue to plead Ignorance of the Law. So if they destroy the cemetery, all that can be done is slap the wrist of the individual. A Small fine is a cheap price to pay, but the Cemetery is Gone. Someone has to be responsible for asking a very simple question, "Is there a Cemetery, Graveyard, or Burial Site on this property. I have been to meetings lately and no one mentions cemeteries. In Floyd Co. our Zoning Board is aware of this, because I told Them. But they still don't ask the Developer That one simple question. Sorry if my Disgust is showing thru. I do not think my responsibility is to go to every meeting and keep reminding them. Copies of the Law should be Sent to every Zoning Board, City and County in Indiana, by the DNR and make it an official notification. I shouldn't have to be a watch Dog for the Zoning Boards. Anyone that is not having Cemeteries moved or destroyed like Lois and I, here in Clark and Floyd Counties may not have much sympathy for us, but it can happen anywhere sooner than Later. Chris ask your Local Zoning board if they know about the Present Cemetery Laws. Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585 ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: "Show me the manner in which a nation or community cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical exactness the tender mercies of its people, their respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty to high ideals."

Jeannie, You must have quite a task. Out here we have requested and have been placed on the mailing list for ALL PROJECT APPLICATION NOTICES required to be sent to interested parties. We receieve a ton of these things and maybe 5-10% affect a cemetery. But we are able to catch what's going on early enough to make comment. The Township Trustees may want to do that as well. The local residents involved with INPCRP and other cemetery related activities that want to comment on these types of projects should also be on a mailing list. In our case, these are called Initial Project Notices. We then send in written response detailing the existing cemetery and noting the "significant adverse impacts" likely to occur as the result of the project. At the same time, too, we provide a list of reasonable recommendations to "mitigate" the impacts. Thought I'd pass this on. Sue Silver El Dorado Co., CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan-Dinius, Jeannie" <JRdinius@dnr.state.in.us> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:50 AM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Researching Cemeteries > Letters have been sent from the DNR to ALL Township Trustees, Auditors, > Recorders, County Commissioners, and Area Plan Commissions regarding the > recently passed laws. I am doing the best I can to let people know about > the laws while also trying to locate all of the cemeteries. > > The best thing that everyone can do is be the local advocate. I can't > possibly know what construction project is happening everywhere in the > state, but the group can keep an eye on their areas. > > When you see something that even might be illegal, contact me. I'll pass > the information onto the proper people in our office. The investigations > might go slow, but they do go. And results are happening across the state. > > Once our Conservation Officers investigate and if an arrest is made, then it > is up to the local prosecutor to take the case. So again, we need your > local advocacy. DNR does not prosecute, we only investigate. > > If you have individual questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at > the office. I'll do my best to get the answers to your questions as quickly > as possible. Our staff is busy, but we do care very much about cemeteries; > if we didn't we would not be in this field. > > Jeannie Regan-Dinius > Cemetery Registry Coordinator > Department of Natural Resources > Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology > 317/232-1646 > 317/232-0693 (fax) > 402 W. Washington Street RM W274 > Indianapolis, IN 46204 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jb502000@aol.com [mailto:Jb502000@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:57 PM > To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Researching Cemeteries > > > In a message dated 10/30/01 7:56:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > cherokee@shelbynet.net writes: > > > > cherokee@shelbynet.net (Christine West) > > > > Chris, > The point I have been making is that, when a developer goes before the > County > or City Zoning Boards Who, or how does the Board know if a cemetery is on > the > property under consideration. If they approve a Development without being > told one way or another, they could approve a Project and the Individual, or > > Developer could pull up the stones, and regardless if you have it recorded > or > not, it can be destroyed before anyone realized it. > Once the Building has been built, or the Ground moved the > Developers will continue to plead Ignorance of the Law. So if they destroy > the cemetery, all that can be done is slap the wrist of the individual. A > Small fine is a cheap price to pay, but the Cemetery is Gone. Someone has to > > be responsible for asking a very simple question, "Is there a Cemetery, > Graveyard, or Burial Site on this property. I have been to meetings lately > and no one mentions cemeteries. In Floyd Co. our Zoning Board is aware of > this, because I told Them. But they still don't ask the Developer That one > simple question. > Sorry if my Disgust is showing thru. I do not think my > responsibility is to go to every meeting and keep reminding them. Copies of > the Law should be Sent to every Zoning Board, City and County in Indiana, by > > the DNR and make it an official notification. I shouldn't have to be a watch > > Dog for the Zoning Boards. Anyone that is not having Cemeteries moved or > destroyed like Lois and I, here in Clark and Floyd Counties may not have > much sympathy for us, but it can happen anywhere sooner than Later. Chris > ask > your Local Zoning board if they know about the Present Cemetery Laws. > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > Po Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of > England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > >

In a message dated 10/30/01 8:55:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time, mills@reliable-net.net writes: > So the problem for me is, even though the county COULDN'T sell the > cemetery, I fear it MAY HAVE. Does the COULDN'T nullify the POSSIBLY DID? > > Sharon > > > You can only find out from the Assessor's records. The Plat Map for the > Section should show who owns the cemetery. It will show if the property > passed thru the County's hands to the present owner. What's the owner going > to do with the cemetery. He can't Plow it up, what's his plans.? The > assessor can tell you if they plan to asses taxes on the cemetery in the > coming tax period. That is the only way you will ever find out. If they > don't tax it, the Trustee will have to take it over, unless there have been > burials since 1939. I can't remember if you said there had been. The > Assessors records are public records, you can find out. I do it all the > time. Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

In a message dated 10/30/01 8:58:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time, tielking@knightstown.net writes: > Hello all, > > There has been a cemetery restoration project that began this spring and is > not completed. For all the headstones that have been uncovered for repair > and resetting, should they be recovered to protect them against the winter > elements? > > Thanks, > Angela Tielking > > > Angela, > If you are planing to Epoxy them, they will have to be dry. And the Temp > will have to be at or above about 40 degrees. I use a Propane Weed Burner > from a distance to raise the stone temperature to about 75 degrees. If they > are broken on a steep slant, they will not bond quickly. They may have to > be Clamped for 2 or 3 days until they have a chance to set. You may apply > very moderate heat to dry the ends and warm them so they can be epoxied and > will set. If they are Tablets that are out of the Base, they could be > photographed, their location very plainly marked and removed maybe 2 at a > time to a dry warm area. Be sure you have permission (Written) from the Responsible Trustee. Also > the names and a copy of the photo for him to > keep in his files until you are finished. After they are repaired, return > and set them back in the base. Then try a couple more. If they have been > buried, and are now exposed the weather will only wash the dirt off. But be > sure you dry them later before you try repairs. This is only my opinion. > For every person on the List who would agree with me, probably 3 or more > would disagree. Good Luck; Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

Hello all, There has been a cemetery restoration project that began this spring and is not completed. For all the headstones that have been uncovered for repair and resetting, should they be recovered to protect them against the winter elements? Thanks, Angela Tielking