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To try and clear up Taxed and Assessed....In Indiana, county and township assessors 'assess' property, meaning they determine what of the property is taxable and for how much. When the tax rate is approved by the county council and state tax board, it is then applied to the assessed value of the property and the individual owning the property is sent a tax statement. In Indiana, I know of no other 'assessments' that would be placed on a parcel by the county fiscal body. A lien or judgment is just that, not an assessment. And while I agree that a tax judgment follows the property, it will also follow the owner for credit reporting purposes. I think we all are on the same page, but using different terminology. Now, as for cemeteries...at least cemeteries governed by associations, we are classified as exempt. Yes, we have an assessed value and our property card is on file in the county assessor's office, but we are not taxed. I would assume privately operated cemeteries would be assessed and taxed in accordance with the value of their property. And township owned cemeteries do not even show up on county records since they are publicly held property. Try and find any county owned parcel's property record card in the assessor's office, like the county home or county fair grounds...you won't find one. I believe township cemeteries are treated the same, at least they are in my county. Kyle D. Conrad

Jon, Your right, I did ignore your point. I was told from the get-go our INPCRP sometimes thrash out at elected officials. As a registered voter I beg you. Please do not try to prosecute our Township Trustees. Here in Floyd County they are somewhat respected, over worked and use penitence salaries to purchase office supplies, pay long distance bills, or, even someone in their communities past due utility bill. I can testify that all of the Trustees in our county have given money right out of their families bank accounts to more desperate people in desperate situations. Including establishing alternative programs to care for their more visible unowned cemeteries. Internal investigations would only smear the progress we are making. As we continue to educate these Twp. Officials we are changing history and I for one am proud to be a part of these changes. Our friends in Michigan seem to realize they have an uphill climb just as we do. But we are a lot further along than they seem to be. Thank you for your response.

I would say you missed the point! and the point is? > > > > Maybe your township trustee should be investigated for spending public > > money > > > on private property! Just a thought. > > > > > > >Not a very good thought. Read I C 23-14-67-1, and I C 23-14-68-2 and try >and >spend your time positively rather than criticizing. >In a nutshell, the first chapter (1a) says the Indiana Twp. Trustee cares >for >cemeteries >1.) that are without funds or sources of funds for reasonable maintenance. >2.) have suffered neglect and deterioration >3.)may be the buriel grounds for Indiana Pioneer leaders or veterans of an >American war; and >4.) were established before 1850 > >68-2 >Simply says the trustee shall locate and maintain all the cemeteries >described in section (1a) > >Now, read on because 23-14-69-1 may be of a positive enterest to you. >Sec. 1. This chapter applies to the following: >(1) A public cemetery that belongs to a Township. >(2) An addition to a public cemetery that belongs to a Township. >This section explains how the Trustee may except donated land adjoining >the >Township cemetery if the Trustee considers it in the best enterest of the >Township. > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is undisguised. This is a cemetery. "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA

I would say you missed the point! >From: NTFCANNON@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! >Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 15:52:00 EST > >In a message dated 11/5/2001 10:22:34 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >yetzkejm@qtm.net writes: > > > > > Maybe your township trustee should be investigated for spending public > > money > > > on private property! Just a thought. > > > > > > >Not a very good thought. Read I C 23-14-67-1, and I C 23-14-68-2 and try >and >spend your time positively rather than criticizing. >In a nutshell, the first chapter (1a) says the Indiana Twp. Trustee cares >for >cemeteries >1.) that are without funds or sources of funds for reasonable maintenance. >2.) have suffered neglect and deterioration >3.)may be the buriel grounds for Indiana Pioneer leaders or veterans of an >American war; and >4.) were established before 1850 > >68-2 >Simply says the trustee shall locate and maintain all the cemeteries >described in section (1a) > >Now, read on because 23-14-69-1 may be of a positive enterest to you. >Sec. 1. This chapter applies to the following: >(1) A public cemetery that belongs to a Township. >(2) An addition to a public cemetery that belongs to a Township. >This section explains how the Trustee may except donated land adjoining >the >Township cemetery if the Trustee considers it in the best enterest of the >Township. > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

In a message dated 11/5/2001 10:22:34 AM US Eastern Standard Time, yetzkejm@qtm.net writes: > > Maybe your township trustee should be investigated for spending public > money > > on private property! Just a thought. > > > Not a very good thought. Read I C 23-14-67-1, and I C 23-14-68-2 and try and spend your time positively rather than criticizing. In a nutshell, the first chapter (1a) says the Indiana Twp. Trustee cares for cemeteries 1.) that are without funds or sources of funds for reasonable maintenance. 2.) have suffered neglect and deterioration 3.)may be the buriel grounds for Indiana Pioneer leaders or veterans of an American war; and 4.) were established before 1850 68-2 Simply says the trustee shall locate and maintain all the cemeteries described in section (1a) Now, read on because 23-14-69-1 may be of a positive enterest to you. Sec. 1. This chapter applies to the following: (1) A public cemetery that belongs to a Township. (2) An addition to a public cemetery that belongs to a Township. This section explains how the Trustee may except donated land adjoining the Township cemetery if the Trustee considers it in the best enterest of the Township.

Supervisor - 10 months, Clerk ~18 months, Treasurer - 30+ years, 2 Trustees 10 mos. and 16+ years ----- Original Message ----- From: Cindy & Dale Frie To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! Marge I got two reply's already from the Indiana List. How long has the clerk held this office? Cindy L (Skiles) Frie "SkiFri" ----- Original Message ----- From: jon andrews <sianoil@hotmail.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! > Maybe your township trustee should be investigated for spending public money > on private property! Just a thought. > > > >From: "Cindy & Dale Frie" <skifri@qtm.net> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! > >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:24:29 -0500 > > > >Hello everyone I sure hope someone can offer some advice here! I know I am > >asking about Michigan laws but I'm hoping some one some where can help. > > > >Since March we have been working along side a group of volunteers in one of > >the "township" owned cemeteries in Berrien County. We have been cutting > >down > >old trees and bushes that were taking over "the headstones". As well as > >repairing broken stones and cleaning them, and we are still repairing > >headstones. > > > >The cemetery we have been cleaning is actually two cemeteries. One consists > >of a 1/2 acre, that became a cemetery in 1907 that is owned by the > >township. > >The other cemetery is an acre which was started on or before 1854. The two > >cemeteries are divided by a row of 3 maple trees. Since there is not other > >physical boundary between these cemeteries they appear to be one. > > > >There have been burials in the acre cemetery as late as 1996 if not 1999, > >under the jurisdiction of the township. > > > >The acre cemetery was deeded by the land owner to about 10 men for the sum > >of $1.. According to a local history book (which by the way was written by > >a > >local judge) the land was deeded to the settlement of Bainbridge. > > > >About a month ago the township decided since there is no legal document > >stating the land was turned over to the township the acre cemetery is in > >fact not owned by the township and therefore will stop taking care of it! > > > >Does anyone on this list know of any Michigan Cemetery Law that can hold > >the > >township responsible for the upkeep of the acre cemetery? > > > >Cindy L (Skiles) Frie > >"SkiFri" > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project only.

Please excuse the last message, I forgot to check who I was sending it to. Cindy L (Skiles) Frie "SkiFri" ----- Original Message ----- From: Cindy & Dale Frie <skifri@qtm.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! > Marge I got two reply's already from the Indiana List. How long has the > clerk held this office? > Cindy L (Skiles) Frie > "SkiFri" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jon andrews <sianoil@hotmail.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 11:14 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! > > > > Maybe your township trustee should be investigated for spending public > money > > on private property! Just a thought. > > > > > > >From: "Cindy & Dale Frie" <skifri@qtm.net> > > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! > > >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:24:29 -0500 > > > > > >Hello everyone I sure hope someone can offer some advice here! I know I > am > > >asking about Michigan laws but I'm hoping some one some where can help. > > > > > >Since March we have been working along side a group of volunteers in one > of > > >the "township" owned cemeteries in Berrien County. We have been cutting > > >down > > >old trees and bushes that were taking over "the headstones". As well as > > >repairing broken stones and cleaning them, and we are still repairing > > >headstones. > > > > > >The cemetery we have been cleaning is actually two cemeteries. One > consists > > >of a 1/2 acre, that became a cemetery in 1907 that is owned by the > > >township. > > >The other cemetery is an acre which was started on or before 1854. The > two > > >cemeteries are divided by a row of 3 maple trees. Since there is not > other > > >physical boundary between these cemeteries they appear to be one. > > > > > >There have been burials in the acre cemetery as late as 1996 if not 1999, > > >under the jurisdiction of the township. > > > > > >The acre cemetery was deeded by the land owner to about 10 men for the > sum > > >of $1.. According to a local history book (which by the way was written > by > > >a > > >local judge) the land was deeded to the settlement of Bainbridge. > > > > > >About a month ago the township decided since there is no legal document > > >stating the land was turned over to the township the acre cemetery is in > > >fact not owned by the township and therefore will stop taking care of it! > > > > > >Does anyone on this list know of any Michigan Cemetery Law that can hold > > >the > > >township responsible for the upkeep of the acre cemetery? > > > > > >Cindy L (Skiles) Frie > > >"SkiFri" > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, > IA > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. >

Marge I got two reply's already from the Indiana List. How long has the clerk held this office? Cindy L (Skiles) Frie "SkiFri" ----- Original Message ----- From: jon andrews <sianoil@hotmail.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! > Maybe your township trustee should be investigated for spending public money > on private property! Just a thought. > > > >From: "Cindy & Dale Frie" <skifri@qtm.net> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! > >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:24:29 -0500 > > > >Hello everyone I sure hope someone can offer some advice here! I know I am > >asking about Michigan laws but I'm hoping some one some where can help. > > > >Since March we have been working along side a group of volunteers in one of > >the "township" owned cemeteries in Berrien County. We have been cutting > >down > >old trees and bushes that were taking over "the headstones". As well as > >repairing broken stones and cleaning them, and we are still repairing > >headstones. > > > >The cemetery we have been cleaning is actually two cemeteries. One consists > >of a 1/2 acre, that became a cemetery in 1907 that is owned by the > >township. > >The other cemetery is an acre which was started on or before 1854. The two > >cemeteries are divided by a row of 3 maple trees. Since there is not other > >physical boundary between these cemeteries they appear to be one. > > > >There have been burials in the acre cemetery as late as 1996 if not 1999, > >under the jurisdiction of the township. > > > >The acre cemetery was deeded by the land owner to about 10 men for the sum > >of $1.. According to a local history book (which by the way was written by > >a > >local judge) the land was deeded to the settlement of Bainbridge. > > > >About a month ago the township decided since there is no legal document > >stating the land was turned over to the township the acre cemetery is in > >fact not owned by the township and therefore will stop taking care of it! > > > >Does anyone on this list know of any Michigan Cemetery Law that can hold > >the > >township responsible for the upkeep of the acre cemetery? > > > >Cindy L (Skiles) Frie > >"SkiFri" > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) >

Hi Jack, You wrote: > If it is a deeded cemetery and the property owner doesn't pay taxes, or > if it is Excepted in a Deed, under Indiana Law, either way, the Township > Trustee is Responsible for both types of cemeteries in existence prior to > 1939, if there were an assessment the County would be Assessing itself thru > the Trustee, that's a No-No. In Washington, and I'm sure in most other states, a tax is placed on a property, not an owner. Anyone can pay a property tax if they would like, whether they own the property or not. The law provides that a property is taxed, and the tax follows the property. Today we have title companies that do "title searches" to locate every assessment or tax or judgement against a property. They do this so a new owner won't be surprised by any of these being placed on the property and having to pay it after they take ownership. > The Assessor's in Harrison and Floyd Counties > say there are no taxes paid on a Deeded, or Excepted cemetery. As I noted > above, the county can't Asses the cemeteries the property owners don't own. No taxes paid, doesn't mean nothing paid. A property can be assessed just as it can be taxed. And, don't forget that someone can sue unknown owner(s) of a cemetery for injuries and that judgement can follow the property until an owner shows up or is found. The cemetery property could be taken as payment if the court allowed and if the person wanted ownership. > If they don't own them, how can they be penalized for taxes, or assessments. I'm truly surprised that an entity would go after a cemetery for payment of a tax or an assessment, especially in Indiana! They have all you guys to contend with, and that would make it pretty unbearable :-) Andi

Cindy, Check your statutes to see if you have one that states that property is either owned by individuals or by the people. In California, our statute says that when title to property fails for want of a legal heir or next of kin, the property "reverts to the people." Here that means to the state via it's inferior subdivisions, the counties. This statute is within our "Government Code" and Michigan probably has something similar that helps to govern the actions of the "people" - the government. Let me know what you find. Sue Silver ssilver1951@jps.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy & Dale Frie" <skifri@qtm.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:24 PM Subject: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! > Hello everyone I sure hope someone can offer some advice here! I know I am > asking about Michigan laws but I'm hoping some one some where can help. > > Since March we have been working along side a group of volunteers in one of > the "township" owned cemeteries in Berrien County. We have been cutting down > old trees and bushes that were taking over "the headstones". As well as > repairing broken stones and cleaning them, and we are still repairing > headstones. > > The cemetery we have been cleaning is actually two cemeteries. One consists > of a 1/2 acre, that became a cemetery in 1907 that is owned by the township. > The other cemetery is an acre which was started on or before 1854. The two > cemeteries are divided by a row of 3 maple trees. Since there is not other > physical boundary between these cemeteries they appear to be one. > > There have been burials in the acre cemetery as late as 1996 if not 1999, > under the jurisdiction of the township. > > The acre cemetery was deeded by the land owner to about 10 men for the sum > of $1.. According to a local history book (which by the way was written by a > local judge) the land was deeded to the settlement of Bainbridge. > > About a month ago the township decided since there is no legal document > stating the land was turned over to the township the acre cemetery is in > fact not owned by the township and therefore will stop taking care of it! > > Does anyone on this list know of any Michigan Cemetery Law that can hold the > township responsible for the upkeep of the acre cemetery? > > Cindy L (Skiles) Frie > "SkiFri" > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >

I really don't know anything about Crawford Co. I live in Jennings Co. In. Will keep an eye out though. What are you looking for? Have you tryed the Crawford Co. Gen Web Site? Some of them are really good. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Crawford County, Indiana > Hi, > > Is there anyone in Crawford County that could give me a hand with something? > > Thanks, > > Sue Silver > El Dorado Co., CA > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >

Maybe your township trustee should be investigated for spending public money on private property! Just a thought. >From: "Cindy & Dale Frie" <skifri@qtm.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:24:29 -0500 > >Hello everyone I sure hope someone can offer some advice here! I know I am >asking about Michigan laws but I'm hoping some one some where can help. > >Since March we have been working along side a group of volunteers in one of >the "township" owned cemeteries in Berrien County. We have been cutting >down >old trees and bushes that were taking over "the headstones". As well as >repairing broken stones and cleaning them, and we are still repairing >headstones. > >The cemetery we have been cleaning is actually two cemeteries. One consists >of a 1/2 acre, that became a cemetery in 1907 that is owned by the >township. >The other cemetery is an acre which was started on or before 1854. The two >cemeteries are divided by a row of 3 maple trees. Since there is not other >physical boundary between these cemeteries they appear to be one. > >There have been burials in the acre cemetery as late as 1996 if not 1999, >under the jurisdiction of the township. > >The acre cemetery was deeded by the land owner to about 10 men for the sum >of $1.. According to a local history book (which by the way was written by >a >local judge) the land was deeded to the settlement of Bainbridge. > >About a month ago the township decided since there is no legal document >stating the land was turned over to the township the acre cemetery is in >fact not owned by the township and therefore will stop taking care of it! > >Does anyone on this list know of any Michigan Cemetery Law that can hold >the >township responsible for the upkeep of the acre cemetery? > >Cindy L (Skiles) Frie >"SkiFri" > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

I wish I could take you to this site directly, but it won't let me. http://michiganlegislature.org Do not search. This is for pending legislation. Go below to "Michigan Compiled Laws" under Search and click on. This will get you to MCL Quick-Start which will allow you to search the word cemetery. This should get you 175 returns of Michigan Cemetery law, where surely you can find an answer to your question in time. If you have trouble getting there, e-mail me back. You might also search township trustee, etc. Jon >From: "Cindy & Dale Frie" <skifri@qtm.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] We have run into a snag! >Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:24:29 -0500 > >Hello everyone I sure hope someone can offer some advice here! I know I am >asking about Michigan laws but I'm hoping some one some where can help. > >Since March we have been working along side a group of volunteers in one of >the "township" owned cemeteries in Berrien County. We have been cutting >down >old trees and bushes that were taking over "the headstones". As well as >repairing broken stones and cleaning them, and we are still repairing >headstones. > >The cemetery we have been cleaning is actually two cemeteries. One consists >of a 1/2 acre, that became a cemetery in 1907 that is owned by the >township. >The other cemetery is an acre which was started on or before 1854. The two >cemeteries are divided by a row of 3 maple trees. Since there is not other >physical boundary between these cemeteries they appear to be one. > >There have been burials in the acre cemetery as late as 1996 if not 1999, >under the jurisdiction of the township. > >The acre cemetery was deeded by the land owner to about 10 men for the sum >of $1.. According to a local history book (which by the way was written by >a >local judge) the land was deeded to the settlement of Bainbridge. > >About a month ago the township decided since there is no legal document >stating the land was turned over to the township the acre cemetery is in >fact not owned by the township and therefore will stop taking care of it! > >Does anyone on this list know of any Michigan Cemetery Law that can hold >the >township responsible for the upkeep of the acre cemetery? > >Cindy L (Skiles) Frie >"SkiFri" > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Jack -- You and your wife are very welcome. Glad she liked it! --Lisa-- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] I'm Responding > In a message dated 10/15/01 9:35:46 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > jtrump@ccrtc.com writes: > > > > Jack: This is off the subject of cemeteries a bit, but have you ever heard > > of the song "Paradise" by John Prine? It's about Muhlenberg county. > > Jim and Lisa, > > My Wife and I were in Greenville, Muhlenberg County this week visiting more > of her family cemeteries, and she heard the song "Paradise" you referred to > while we were down there. She really enjoyed it. She found a Copy. She said > Thanks. Incidentally for those on the List looking for markers to replace > Fieldstone's, we saw more Concrete Block Markers. Since I am a contractor, I > checked the AIA (American Institute of Architects) Specifications, and these > under normal circumstances (Not in Standing Water) should last 75-100 years > underground. On a Rise in the ground like you have in a Cemetery, this would > be very normal conditions. You cannot carve on them. They are to replace > Fieldstone's only. Painting White is a No-No, water could not dissipate. > > Jack E. Briles, Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > PO Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > > >

Hello everyone I sure hope someone can offer some advice here! I know I am asking about Michigan laws but I'm hoping some one some where can help. Since March we have been working along side a group of volunteers in one of the "township" owned cemeteries in Berrien County. We have been cutting down old trees and bushes that were taking over "the headstones". As well as repairing broken stones and cleaning them, and we are still repairing headstones. The cemetery we have been cleaning is actually two cemeteries. One consists of a 1/2 acre, that became a cemetery in 1907 that is owned by the township. The other cemetery is an acre which was started on or before 1854. The two cemeteries are divided by a row of 3 maple trees. Since there is not other physical boundary between these cemeteries they appear to be one. There have been burials in the acre cemetery as late as 1996 if not 1999, under the jurisdiction of the township. The acre cemetery was deeded by the land owner to about 10 men for the sum of $1.. According to a local history book (which by the way was written by a local judge) the land was deeded to the settlement of Bainbridge. About a month ago the township decided since there is no legal document stating the land was turned over to the township the acre cemetery is in fact not owned by the township and therefore will stop taking care of it! Does anyone on this list know of any Michigan Cemetery Law that can hold the township responsible for the upkeep of the acre cemetery? Cindy L (Skiles) Frie "SkiFri"

Hi Sue Please email me directly and I'll see what I can do to help on Crawford County. Art Dillman at dee@ccrtc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Crawford County, Indiana > Hi, > > Is there anyone in Crawford County that could give me a hand with something? > > Thanks, > > Sue Silver > El Dorado Co., CA > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >

Hi Jack Many, Many Thanks! I really appreciate the help you give in repairing the old stone and also for going the extra mile to clean the other. We had a very hard but very satisfying weekend at Little Flock. Really sorry you were unable to stop by. Things there are going as scheduled. We wanted to give the grass we seeded a couple of years to root well before we started to mow it as the rocky soil is so hard on that ridge. And, it didn't disappoint us. We had dry, gone to seed grass, two feet tall. But, when we cut it down, it was bright green on the bottom and well rooted. I guess that means we will now have to mow the cemetery monthly next year in order to get it ready for 2003. The last I heard, the Lewis & Clark Heritage Foundation is planning to place a memorial there for John Shields in 2003. So, I guess I best work hard next year to finish getting the grass in tip top shape! :-) By the way, no hornets down our way. Again, Many Thanks from both Rene and I. Regards Art ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 10:33 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Old St Marys Cemetery, Floyds Knobs > > Art, > I hope everything went well at your re-cleaning of Little Flock. At least the > Rain stopped and we had sun all Day. I was coming down and go clean some at > old St. Peters, but I had to much to do. Hope Little Flock was not grown up > to bad. I was going to stop, but never even got that far. I did go out to > Saint Mary's of the Knobs and removed the Clamp and cleaned the 3 little > spots off that ran under the Duct tape. I also lightly cleaned the stone, > also tell your wife, the Stone next to the repair we did on Her Great Grand ? > stone, the one that she cleaned a little bit on, I cleaned it up and it is > not Gray Marble or Granite. It is a very light White stone with very small > reddish brown spots in it. A real pretty Stone. The color really came out on > the wide top with MOTHER written on it. > I forgot my camera today, but I will get photos in the next week or so > and send them to Her. I also may, before it gets to cold, go out and Repair > the other 2 broken stones. I looked, they were broken this summer by > Maintenance. By the way, Hornets were out around 3:00 this evening, hope not > down there in Harrison Co. > Later, > > Jack E. Briles, Sr. > Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > PO Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

In a message dated 11/4/01 2:38:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time, andimac@oz.net writes: > Check the local laws. > > Andi > > Andi, If it is a deeded cemetery and the property owner doesn't pay taxes, or if it is Excepted in a Deed, under Indiana Law, either way, the Township Trustee is Responsible for both types of cemeteries in existence prior to 1939, if there were an assessment the County would be Assessing itself thru the Trustee, that's a No-No. The Assessor's in Harrison and Floyd Counties say there are no taxes paid on a Deeded, or Excepted cemetery. As I noted above, the county can't Asses the cemeteries the property owners don't own. If they don't own them, how can they be penalized for taxes, or assessments. I can give anyone an Assessors ruling by 10: am Monday morning. I am not being argumentative with anyone, just trying to INTERPRET Indiana Laws. Heck I've been wrong lot's of times in my Life. Jack E. Briles, Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585

In a message dated 10/15/01 9:35:46 AM US Eastern Standard Time, jtrump@ccrtc.com writes: > Jack: This is off the subject of cemeteries a bit, but have you ever heard > of the song "Paradise" by John Prine? It's about Muhlenberg county. Jim and Lisa, My Wife and I were in Greenville, Muhlenberg County this week visiting more of her family cemeteries, and she heard the song "Paradise" you referred to while we were down there. She really enjoyed it. She found a Copy. She said Thanks. Incidentally for those on the List looking for markers to replace Fieldstone's, we saw more Concrete Block Markers. Since I am a contractor, I checked the AIA (American Institute of Architects) Specifications, and these under normal circumstances (Not in Standing Water) should last 75-100 years underground. On a Rise in the ground like you have in a Cemetery, this would be very normal conditions. You cannot carve on them. They are to replace Fieldstone's only. Painting White is a No-No, water could not dissipate. Jack E. Briles, Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585