Jack and others, In 1863, the State of Indiana passed an act of the General Assembly (see Gavin and Hand's Statutes, Vol. 1, page 584, provisions 19 and 21) Acts of The General Assembly. An act to enable Trustees to receive land and donations and to convey the same for the uses of Schools, Churches, Religious Societies, Masonic and Odd Fellow Lodges, Sons and Daughters of Temperance and for the construction of Cemeteries, Houses of Worship or other buildings therein. So, I have found, starting about 1860, if you look in the Deed Index books for "Grantee" under the letter "T". you will start finding where the land owner deeded his family cemetery, defunct church cemeteries and such to either the township trustees or the board of Commissioners of said county. Also, in later years of the nineteenth century, a cemetery on any property was considered a hindrance to its sale, if the property had good water, fertile ground and maple trees it sold fairly quick, if there was a cemetery on the property, the stones confidently disappeared form the land and/or deed. I have personally found this to be true in a lot of land transactions. UEB Henry County, IN www.hcgs.net

Jon, I'm not sure if anything can be done. The new property owner has been uncooperative to this point. Actually, that is a mild way to say it, considering that some of what he has done became illegal in less than a year. My guess is this will take hiring an attorney, and the cemetery association may not be able to afford that. I don't want to personally take on responsibility for that before I know what the bottom line might be. I hope to find a solution that will cause the people who made the problem to fix the problem. This is not a wealthy county. County officials are regretful, some persist in saying they "couldn't" and "didn't" sell the actual cemetery, but others admit it was done. In the meantime, I'm trying to learn as much as I can. I have received much excellent guidance from this list, including the recent mention of checking aerial photos c 1940. I saw a plat map of the county, but that wasn't an actual photo. Without arousing more curiosity in the county, I think I could view an aerial photo at the Indiana State Archives. I'm particularly interested in those graves that appear to be within 20 feet of the recently-built (c 1999) dwelling. I can't tell how many graves are on that hillside, which appears to be a brush pile from casual observation. To learn this from the ground, I would have to trespass all the way to the dwelling. (: Sharon At 01:03 PM 11/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Sharon: >I have not exactly kept up with this scenario except the tax issue, but in >answer your question, Can anything be done? I think the county had an >obligation under the law to protect the future of this cemetery if they knew >it was there. >Jon >P.S. Most county owned excess property tax sales are held in Feb./March vs. >Sept./Oct. delinquency sales. > >>From: mills <mills@reliable-net.net> >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] going after a cemetery for taxes >>Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 06:12:50 -0500 >> >> >>Jon, >> >>Thanks for this easy and understandable information. >> >>It appears as if the sale of this land was the latter type. I can see that >>the initial sale was 3 Mar 1999 on the day of the public "auction". The >>land must have been available for sale two years before that, as there was >>a rumor that a woman from another county had bought the church and was >>going to turn it into a home. Then we "heard" that the first sale fell >>through, the woman was convinced to abandon her idea by someone, and the >>second sale occurred. The property was taxed for 1996 and prior years. >> >>I'm sure there were public notices in the papers. Possession of the >>property did occur in June 1999. If this is the case, does that preclude >>action the county might have taken to except out the cemetery itself? Is >>there any action that can still be taken regarding the cemetery? >> >>There is one more little odd factor that may involve a third party. The >>back corner that may have been formerly covered with mature trees was never >>included in the deed for the church/cemetery. Nor was it included in the >>parcels deeded for the additions. At this point I don't know who owns that >>back fraction of an acre, nor do I know specifically that trees were cut >>from it. >> >>More deed research indicated. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Sharon Mills >> >> >>At 10:33 PM 11/8/01 -0500, you wrote: >> >Jack and Sharon: >> > >> >In answer to your question about redemption periods, tax deeds, etc..... >> > >> >Fact is, that if the property was sold at a yearly tax sale for >>delinquent >> >taxes and the new buyer was issued a tax certificate at the time of the >> >sale, that buyer would not gain possession or a valid deed to the >>property >> >for 1 year from the date of the certificate and only after which time all >> >required notices are posted of record. It used to be 2 years from date. >> >Changed about 7 years ago. If the record owner redeems the taxes, >>penalties >> >and costs within the 1 year period, the record owner still owns the >>property >> >and the buyer receives his money back. If he does not, the buyer at the >>sale >> >will receive a tax deed from the County Commissioners signed by the >>Auditor. >> >Could take up to six additional months. Then and only then can the buyer >> >take possession of the property. There is a tremendous amount of case law >>in >> >Indiana supporting this fact. I actually have been a part of it on >>certain >> >occasions. >> > >> >Now, here's something else. If the property goes on the tax sale for 2 >> >consecutive years and does not sell for lack of a bid. The county has the >> >option to file a lien on the property with the clerk's office against the >> >record owner and the property can then be advertised and sold at a >>separate >> >sale of County owned excess property. If you buy this property in this >> >manner, possession and a deed is issued generally by the court and >>happens >> >pretty quickly and is final. Usually a matter of a few weeks if handled >>by a >> >good county attorney or as soon as the money changes hands. >> > >> >It makes a difference as to how the property was sold and transferred >> >as to how quick you could legally get on the property. >> > >> >Questions? >> > >> >Jon >> > >> > >> >>From: Jb502000@aol.com >> >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >> >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >> >>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] going after a cemetery for taxes >> >>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:06:14 EST >> >> >> >>In a message dated 11/8/01 7:42:34 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >> >>mills@reliable-net.net writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Actually, the taxes on this 2.64 areas were over $3,000. That was >>what >> >>the >> >> > new owner paid to buy the property. They may have been figuring in >> >>those >> >> > big trees he later sold and a handful of years of back taxes. >> >> > >> >> >> >>Sharon, >> >>If the Taxes were that high they had to have included several years. For >> >>the >> >>taxes to run that high the 2.64 acres with a cemetery taking up a goodly >> >>amount of the ground, the property would have to be in a very high >>priced >> >>area for one year to run that high. The taxes had to be delinquent for a >> >>Tax >> >>sale. The previous owner under Indiana Law has a grace period to reclaim >> >>the >> >>property, by paying up the purchase amount with interest. >> >> Technically I don't think the Trees can be stripped until that >>time >> >>has expired. If so and somehow some group, or person could redeem the >>land, >> >>the sale price of the trees would apply to the payment. If the tree sale >> >>brought $3,000 dollars the only thing owed would be the Interest, and >>I'm >> >>not >> >>sure about that because the property, minus the trees is not now worth >>what >> >>it was at the time of the Tax sale. Also you can't buy property at a >>tax >> >>sale and build a $150,000 house on it and expect the person redeeming >>the >> >>property to come up with that amount, plus the sale amount. You may not >> >>profit from a tax sale until the redemption time has expired. Sharon, >>you >> >>mention a for profit group, do you mean someone who sells cemetery lots >>to >> >>make a profit for themselves, or for money to apply to a long term >> >>maintenance fund. Anyone have any better information? >> >>Jack E. Briles, Sr. >> >>Floyd County PCRP Coordinator >> >>PO Box 444 >> >>New Albany, In. 47151-0444 >> >>(812) 282-6585 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >> >>This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >> >>Cemeteries Restoration Project only. >> >> >> > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> > >> > >> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >> >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >> >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- >> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families >>are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is >>undisguised. This is a cemetery. >> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, >>historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. >> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved >>in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - >>not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family >>memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. >> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of >>yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery >>exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." >> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > >

In a message dated 11/10/01 3:27:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, djd434@rnetinc.net writes: > I've pulled and copied all the deeds on a property which surrounds a pioneer > cemetery. The deeds do describe an exception in terms that a surveyor > would understand, but I didn't find any document describing that the > exception was specifically for a cemetery. The current owners bought this > property in May 1998, and on their deed this exception mysteriously > disappeared. Also on the current deed only, the acreage just as > mysteriously "grew". Most of this cemetery was bulldozed in the 1960's. > Only one stone remains standing, but it is very obvious there was a > cemetery there. > > How far back did you go. If there is an Exception It will say "Except for (Size) to be used as a Graveyard." It is very highly unlikely it will say cemetery. It can also say for "A Family Burial Site" or A Family Graveyard. Very seldom on an Exception here in Floyd County does it give a Surveyors description that pin points the site. It just Excepts the Area of the Graveyard. It will give either the Size, such as 75 X 75, or it may be something like a Quarter Acre. It will give the Surveyors size such as Rods, Chains, or Poles if there is a separate deed instead of an Exception. Sometimes I find it Quicker to Start at the Original Owner listed in the Government Land Sales and work forward until I find a Deed, or an Exception. You can Locate the first owner by finding out who bought that particular Quarter Section, 160 Acres, which is the way Early Sales were made. Poorer land later was sold in 80 Acre Parcels, and later if not sold it was sold by the Government in 40 Acre parcels. Early Land sales in Floyd Co. are in a Book in the recorders Office. Some early Sales are in a Land Book from Vincennes, Later Jeffersonville. It is not uncommon to find them dropped off the deed a 150 years ago. Because as Jon. or Sue, or someone said earlier, an Exception cannot legally be dissolved. It was a part of a Deed and is as Legal a Term as you will find in the Present or past deeds The present owners have not been Duped, that happened a long time ago. Times were different then than they are now. The cemetery was there so no big deal about putting it on a deed. Also some wanted to make sure they got all the money they could. You can check with the Trustee, but if they are paying Taxes on the Cemetery, they can have it removed from their Taxes if you can Find the right deed. Good Luck, I can't help any more than this. Someone Else Give it a try. Jack E. Briles, Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585

I've pulled and copied all the deeds on a property which surrounds a pioneer cemetery. The deeds do describe an exception in terms that a surveyor would understand, but I didn't find any document describing that the exception was specifically for a cemetery. The current owners bought this property in May 1998, and on their deed this exception mysteriously disappeared. Also on the current deed only, the acreage just as mysteriously "grew". Most of this cemetery was bulldozed in the 1960's. Only one stone remains standing, but it is very obvious there was a cemetery there. If the former owners didn't own this "excepted" acreage, how were they able to sell it? I think the current owners have been duped into believing that they also own the cemetery area. It appears they are paying taxes on ground that I don't think they own. So, what's my next step? Do I go back to the trustee with this information? Can the trustee request that the described excepted area be surveyed? I'd like to know for sure that the cemetery is part of this exception. Or is there someone else I need to talk to? Thank you for your help, Debra Dougherty 2220 Legendary Drive Martinsville, IN 46151 (765) 349-6309 DJD434@RNETINC.NET

Sharon: I have not exactly kept up with this scenario except the tax issue, but in answer your question, Can anything be done? I think the county had an obligation under the law to protect the future of this cemetery if they knew it was there. Jon P.S. Most county owned excess property tax sales are held in Feb./March vs. Sept./Oct. delinquency sales. >From: mills <mills@reliable-net.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] going after a cemetery for taxes >Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 06:12:50 -0500 > > >Jon, > >Thanks for this easy and understandable information. > >It appears as if the sale of this land was the latter type. I can see that >the initial sale was 3 Mar 1999 on the day of the public "auction". The >land must have been available for sale two years before that, as there was >a rumor that a woman from another county had bought the church and was >going to turn it into a home. Then we "heard" that the first sale fell >through, the woman was convinced to abandon her idea by someone, and the >second sale occurred. The property was taxed for 1996 and prior years. > >I'm sure there were public notices in the papers. Possession of the >property did occur in June 1999. If this is the case, does that preclude >action the county might have taken to except out the cemetery itself? Is >there any action that can still be taken regarding the cemetery? > >There is one more little odd factor that may involve a third party. The >back corner that may have been formerly covered with mature trees was never >included in the deed for the church/cemetery. Nor was it included in the >parcels deeded for the additions. At this point I don't know who owns that >back fraction of an acre, nor do I know specifically that trees were cut >from it. > >More deed research indicated. > >Thanks, > >Sharon Mills > > >At 10:33 PM 11/8/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Jack and Sharon: > > > >In answer to your question about redemption periods, tax deeds, etc..... > > > >Fact is, that if the property was sold at a yearly tax sale for >delinquent > >taxes and the new buyer was issued a tax certificate at the time of the > >sale, that buyer would not gain possession or a valid deed to the >property > >for 1 year from the date of the certificate and only after which time all > >required notices are posted of record. It used to be 2 years from date. > >Changed about 7 years ago. If the record owner redeems the taxes, >penalties > >and costs within the 1 year period, the record owner still owns the >property > >and the buyer receives his money back. If he does not, the buyer at the >sale > >will receive a tax deed from the County Commissioners signed by the >Auditor. > >Could take up to six additional months. Then and only then can the buyer > >take possession of the property. There is a tremendous amount of case law >in > >Indiana supporting this fact. I actually have been a part of it on >certain > >occasions. > > > >Now, here's something else. If the property goes on the tax sale for 2 > >consecutive years and does not sell for lack of a bid. The county has the > >option to file a lien on the property with the clerk's office against the > >record owner and the property can then be advertised and sold at a >separate > >sale of County owned excess property. If you buy this property in this > >manner, possession and a deed is issued generally by the court and >happens > >pretty quickly and is final. Usually a matter of a few weeks if handled >by a > >good county attorney or as soon as the money changes hands. > > > >It makes a difference as to how the property was sold and transferred > >as to how quick you could legally get on the property. > > > >Questions? > > > >Jon > > > > > >>From: Jb502000@aol.com > >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] going after a cemetery for taxes > >>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:06:14 EST > >> > >>In a message dated 11/8/01 7:42:34 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > >>mills@reliable-net.net writes: > >> > >> > >> > Actually, the taxes on this 2.64 areas were over $3,000. That was >what > >>the > >> > new owner paid to buy the property. They may have been figuring in > >>those > >> > big trees he later sold and a handful of years of back taxes. > >> > > >> > >>Sharon, > >>If the Taxes were that high they had to have included several years. For > >>the > >>taxes to run that high the 2.64 acres with a cemetery taking up a goodly > >>amount of the ground, the property would have to be in a very high >priced > >>area for one year to run that high. The taxes had to be delinquent for a > >>Tax > >>sale. The previous owner under Indiana Law has a grace period to reclaim > >>the > >>property, by paying up the purchase amount with interest. > >> Technically I don't think the Trees can be stripped until that >time > >>has expired. If so and somehow some group, or person could redeem the >land, > >>the sale price of the trees would apply to the payment. If the tree sale > >>brought $3,000 dollars the only thing owed would be the Interest, and >I'm > >>not > >>sure about that because the property, minus the trees is not now worth >what > >>it was at the time of the Tax sale. Also you can't buy property at a >tax > >>sale and build a $150,000 house on it and expect the person redeeming >the > >>property to come up with that amount, plus the sale amount. You may not > >>profit from a tax sale until the redemption time has expired. Sharon, >you > >>mention a for profit group, do you mean someone who sells cemetery lots >to > >>make a profit for themselves, or for money to apply to a long term > >>maintenance fund. Anyone have any better information? > >>Jack E. Briles, Sr. > >>Floyd County PCRP Coordinator > >>PO Box 444 > >>New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > >>(812) 282-6585 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >>This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > >>Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > >> > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Chris, Go find a aerial photo about 1940 or 1972 (surveyor's office) of the farm with the cemetery and blow it up by digital copying and see if you can see the fence line or trees that were in the unfarmed area. Also the local ASCS (Ag) office can order color slides from these photos for 1972 that can be projected (blown up) to a pretty good size which allows you to see a lot that was there. Also check a topographic map. Also, sometimes they are designated in the Soil and Conservation Agency's map of different soil types. ASCS office records will also show that the area was not previously farmed and may show its use. Did Nicholas Jones have a govt. stone or any other veterans buried there? If so. Might be a record in the NARA or Ft Wayne showing where (what cemetery) that stone was placed. Also, are you aware of WPA maps for your county and the veterans card file to go with them? Good Luck, Jon >From: "Christine West" <cherokee@shelbynet.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] ...so long as time may last - Thank you. >Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:18:00 -0600 > >Jack, that sounds like exactly what I want to hear happen to all of these >I'm finding that were removed from deeds. Sure hopes this one turns out as >nice as the one you saved. > >Jon, The original cemetery ran to the North line, which is the road. Today >it is as far from the road as the width of a combine, since it is in corn >with one row on the north side of it. Yes, the ingress and egress would be >all the way up to the road. I asked my brother and he said 3 years is all >they pay in back taxes. The fence she spoke off as keeping the cattle in >was at least 10 years ago. It has been a corn field since then. The >trustee wants to avoid a confrontation, not merely to save face, but also >the cost would be a factor she must consider. She has been trustee for >quite awhile and is one of the top 3 on my "Good Trustee" list. She and 2 >other trustees here asked what more information I had for them and wanted >to help find more and do more for their townships. 5 others I called >merely told me the ones they maintain and ended the conversation. I >haven't called 2 as they are long distance from my office and 2 haven't >returned my messages (at least 2 times! >) yet. So I am very happy this happens to be in her twp. > >I don't want a fight yet, I want to get all of my numbers and figures in a >row and I hope in January to be able to go to the commissioners and give >them, not only a book of information on each site that will be marked in >the auditor's office, but also a list of important questions that need >answers. (I'll email them out to the group for feedback before I finalize >them). My friend at the paper will come in handy then too. > >As for the County Surveyor's involvement, we have a WONDERFUL County >Surveyor and full-time staff here (I'm the administrative assistant/office >manager). However, I know for a fact that they are quite back-logged as it >is, but that they will do what the commissioners ask them to do as time >allows. I have found out from previous experience that the commissioners >are the ones to ask for such a thing, as they may say the county surveyor >is too busy and perhaps would be willing to contract out the job. It would >not be a decision that the surveyor could make on his own, as conflict of >interest could be charged by others who want his job and want to look as if >he could save the money. In some counties, the county surveyor saves the >taxpayers money (not really) by not staffing an office and does work from a >private firm on contract with the county. Ours is not like that, but >perhaps if new laws were to be more specific about who does the work and >how, things might change and i! >t could become a duty of the surveyor. > >Kyle, I checked with the county assessor and he typed in the parcel number >I gave him for the property. It came up as a normal field of 120 acres >with no exemptions ever on it. He said that means that their office was >not aware of a cemetery being located on that property, so there were no >deductions from the acreage to subtract it from her field. He did say that >they go by what they SEE, so sometimes it might not be on the parcel >mapped, but they take it off of the assessment when they look at the >property. > >I have a couple more issues to discuss, but I'll start another letter so as >to keep them straight. > >Thanks for your comments, they are greatly appreciated. > >Cris West >Columbus, IN > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Jack, that sounds like exactly what I want to hear happen to all of these I'm finding that were removed from deeds. Sure hopes this one turns out as nice as the one you saved. Jon, The original cemetery ran to the North line, which is the road. Today it is as far from the road as the width of a combine, since it is in corn with one row on the north side of it. Yes, the ingress and egress would be all the way up to the road. I asked my brother and he said 3 years is all they pay in back taxes. The fence she spoke off as keeping the cattle in was at least 10 years ago. It has been a corn field since then. The trustee wants to avoid a confrontation, not merely to save face, but also the cost would be a factor she must consider. She has been trustee for quite awhile and is one of the top 3 on my "Good Trustee" list. She and 2 other trustees here asked what more information I had for them and wanted to help find more and do more for their townships. 5 others I called merely told me the ones they maintain and ended the conversation. I haven't called 2 as they are long distance from my office and 2 haven't returned my messages (at least 2 times! ) yet. So I am very happy this happens to be in her twp. I don't want a fight yet, I want to get all of my numbers and figures in a row and I hope in January to be able to go to the commissioners and give them, not only a book of information on each site that will be marked in the auditor's office, but also a list of important questions that need answers. (I'll email them out to the group for feedback before I finalize them). My friend at the paper will come in handy then too. As for the County Surveyor's involvement, we have a WONDERFUL County Surveyor and full-time staff here (I'm the administrative assistant/office manager). However, I know for a fact that they are quite back-logged as it is, but that they will do what the commissioners ask them to do as time allows. I have found out from previous experience that the commissioners are the ones to ask for such a thing, as they may say the county surveyor is too busy and perhaps would be willing to contract out the job. It would not be a decision that the surveyor could make on his own, as conflict of interest could be charged by others who want his job and want to look as if he could save the money. In some counties, the county surveyor saves the taxpayers money (not really) by not staffing an office and does work from a private firm on contract with the county. Ours is not like that, but perhaps if new laws were to be more specific about who does the work and how, things might change and i! t could become a duty of the surveyor. Kyle, I checked with the county assessor and he typed in the parcel number I gave him for the property. It came up as a normal field of 120 acres with no exemptions ever on it. He said that means that their office was not aware of a cemetery being located on that property, so there were no deductions from the acreage to subtract it from her field. He did say that they go by what they SEE, so sometimes it might not be on the parcel mapped, but they take it off of the assessment when they look at the property. I have a couple more issues to discuss, but I'll start another letter so as to keep them straight. Thanks for your comments, they are greatly appreciated. Cris West Columbus, IN

Sue, you couldn't be anymore correct if you tried. I found that out in the court house. Jack E. Briles, Sr.

In a message dated 11/9/01 10:48:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time, tielking@knightstown.net writes: > So I think that Walt and his crew are the ONLY ones that do this in the > state regardless what this John Brundage said. > > Angela, > If another county had employees like this, after all of the publicity > about cemeteries, and news stories about John, don't you think they would > have been saying "Hold on just a minute, we have them in our county to." > There are no MORE!!! Jack E. Briles, Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585

Hello everyone, I called the Madison Co. cemetery commission board president, John Brundage, this morning regarding whether they had a full time cemetery supervisor like Walt in Fayette Co. The answer was no. They only have volunteers who can work from time to time in the cemeteries. John Brundage said that there are other counties in the state that do have employees like that. I asked which counties and he said he didn't know! So I think that Walt and his crew are the ONLY ones that do this in the state regardless what this John Brundage said. Angela Tielking

Irrespective of the lack of the "exception" in the later deeds, the original deed would be deemed to stand in a court of law. Just because an "exception" or other specific citation, such as an easement, may fall from later deeds, cannot act to extinquish the intent of the original document that set the terms of the property's transfer. I believe this is general, common law. Sue Silver California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine West" <cherokee@shelbynet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: [INPCRP] ...so long as time may last > Okay, got another dilemma that needs some creative input here in Bartholomew County. > > Nicholas Jones Sr. was a Revolutionary War veteran who later settled near a little RR town here called Nortonburg. Before he died, he conveyed the land to his children and one piece in particular went to his son, Nicholas Jones Jr. The deed (recorded in 1849) does not contain an exception, it conveys to him the ground, basically the NE of the SW of the section. But after the Recorder's declaration, it has the following paragraph, beautifully written in my opinion: > > > "The within deed and conveyance is made to Nicholas Jones junior with the distinct and express understanding that I have reserved a certain lot or piece of ground for the use of the public as a burying ground, 150 ft. deep & 50 ft. wide lying and being immediately on the North line of said conveyed piece of land and known by the name of Jones's grave yard or burying ground, and the same is to be for the use of the public as a burying place and is to be used for no other purpose so long as time may last and all and any who may wish to bury on the same with full ingress and egress to the same for the purpose of a grave yard and it is in nowise to be considered as conveyed to the said Nicholas Jones Jr. or his heirs. Notwithstanding is not reserved in the within Deed but to remain as a public burying ground as long as time lasts." > > > Here is the problem, the son later sold the ground without an exception, and so it was perpetuated. We had a wonderful historian who worked on our cemeteries and this is what she wrote of it in December of 1972: > > > "This cemetery was recorded by (herself), who on her first trip, found only 5 broken stones. When they realized the name was JONES and they were searching for the burial place of Revolutionary War veteran Nicholas Jones, they went back a second time with an iron probe and found and dug up 3 of the stones, but were unable to get the 4th one up and it was laying writing side down. (some local neighbors), went out and finished digging up the stones and a third trip was made to finish the recording. (a relative of a former owner), who lived with his grandparents near this cemetery when a boy, states positively that Nicholas Jones was buried here, he further states that some of (his) family was buried in this cemetery. The last burial he recalls was an infant child of (a neighbor). The stones are now standing up, without a fence around them. Unless a fence is put up or they are buried again, the cattle will probably destroy them." > > > You can barely recognize the small weed patch in the field as a graveyard today. It is near the road, but only visible in the winter, as a "combines-width" exists between it and the road. The township trustee was told by the former historian that the cemetery was suppose to belong to the township, as it was originally intended. When the landowner was approached about it, she refused, stating it was not excepted from her deed and she paid taxes on it. I checked, she has always paid taxes on it. I spoke with her about it yesterday (I DO NOT like controversy nor confrontations so I merely kept the conversation about what SHE knew about the cemetery, not what I knew) and she still maintains it belongs to her. She said that when approached several years ago by the trustee, she was told that they would like to "cut a hole in her fence" and fence on three sides of the graveyard, allowing access directly from the road. She talked to her lawyer, who said they had farmed it lon! > g enough that she did not have to do any of it, so she merely removed the cows and all the fence from it and started farming it. I said that I estimated there to be about 15 to 20 graves in this cemetery, and she acknowledged that she knew there were at least that many. Yet they farm around a patch that could not be more than 10 ft. by 10 ft., so she is acknowledging the fact that she is farming over graves. I did not mention to her the new law that says that is illegal, I'll let the Commissioners do that. > > I plan on gathering my information and having a complete list of questions that need answers from a qualified BOARD to the commissioners in January (I hope) and this is my #1 question for them. I don't want to make enemies doing this, and this lady has actually given me valuable information regarding another lost cemetery on the other side of the county where she grew up. I don't want to pick on her (she works for the county as well), and there are others in bad shape. > > Am I wrong in thinking that this land needs to be surveyed extensively to locate the actual boundaries of the graveyard, it needs to be fenced in, a flag pole erected in it, and access given from the road to it? Who pays for the survey? Who conducts the search for the actual graves? Does she get a refund for all the taxes she has paid on it since 1962? > > > Cris West > Columbus, IN > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >

Hi, I think 3 years is all paid taxes can be refunded. My County surveyer is real busy so I went to the commissioners and they asked that the survey be done and finally it was surveyed. Good Luck. Tom

I see my name in this email and am not sure which issue you are discussing. If either Ernie or the person concerned with the cemetery could email me, give me some basics about the issue, I will see if DNR has jurisdiction. Jeannie Regan-Dinius Cemetery Registry Coordinator Department of Natural Resources Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology 317/232-1646 317/232-0693 (fax) 402 W. Washington Street RM W274 Indianapolis, IN 46204 -----Original Message----- From: Ernie & Connie [mailto:elasley@sigecom.net] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:59 PM To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INPCRP] going after a cemetery for taxes Jon & all, "Sale of a Cemetery" laws will still apply here also. I do not think that they can sell it in that manner since there is an established Pioneer cemetery involved. Perhaps Jeannie and the DNR legal team could get involved here to protect the cemetery? Ernie At 09:33 PM 11/8/01, you wrote: Questions? ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

I have a question....How can someone be sure that she has been paying taxes on this cemetery? I'm just curious. Just because the cemetery itself wasn't excluded in subsequent deeds, do the acres all add up or could the amount of land occupying the cemetery be deducted from the total acreage and therefore not be taxed? I'm just not sure how you can tell for sure without adding the acreage and a having a survey done. Kyle

Jon, Thanks for this easy and understandable information. It appears as if the sale of this land was the latter type. I can see that the initial sale was 3 Mar 1999 on the day of the public "auction". The land must have been available for sale two years before that, as there was a rumor that a woman from another county had bought the church and was going to turn it into a home. Then we "heard" that the first sale fell through, the woman was convinced to abandon her idea by someone, and the second sale occurred. The property was taxed for 1996 and prior years. I'm sure there were public notices in the papers. Possession of the property did occur in June 1999. If this is the case, does that preclude action the county might have taken to except out the cemetery itself? Is there any action that can still be taken regarding the cemetery? There is one more little odd factor that may involve a third party. The back corner that may have been formerly covered with mature trees was never included in the deed for the church/cemetery. Nor was it included in the parcels deeded for the additions. At this point I don't know who owns that back fraction of an acre, nor do I know specifically that trees were cut from it. More deed research indicated. Thanks, Sharon Mills At 10:33 PM 11/8/01 -0500, you wrote: >Jack and Sharon: > >In answer to your question about redemption periods, tax deeds, etc..... > >Fact is, that if the property was sold at a yearly tax sale for delinquent >taxes and the new buyer was issued a tax certificate at the time of the >sale, that buyer would not gain possession or a valid deed to the property >for 1 year from the date of the certificate and only after which time all >required notices are posted of record. It used to be 2 years from date. >Changed about 7 years ago. If the record owner redeems the taxes, penalties >and costs within the 1 year period, the record owner still owns the property >and the buyer receives his money back. If he does not, the buyer at the sale >will receive a tax deed from the County Commissioners signed by the Auditor. >Could take up to six additional months. Then and only then can the buyer >take possession of the property. There is a tremendous amount of case law in >Indiana supporting this fact. I actually have been a part of it on certain >occasions. > >Now, here's something else. If the property goes on the tax sale for 2 >consecutive years and does not sell for lack of a bid. The county has the >option to file a lien on the property with the clerk's office against the >record owner and the property can then be advertised and sold at a separate >sale of County owned excess property. If you buy this property in this >manner, possession and a deed is issued generally by the court and happens >pretty quickly and is final. Usually a matter of a few weeks if handled by a >good county attorney or as soon as the money changes hands. > >It makes a difference as to how the property was sold and transferred >as to how quick you could legally get on the property. > >Questions? > >Jon > > >>From: Jb502000@aol.com >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] going after a cemetery for taxes >>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:06:14 EST >> >>In a message dated 11/8/01 7:42:34 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >>mills@reliable-net.net writes: >> >> >> > Actually, the taxes on this 2.64 areas were over $3,000. That was what >>the >> > new owner paid to buy the property. They may have been figuring in >>those >> > big trees he later sold and a handful of years of back taxes. >> > >> >>Sharon, >>If the Taxes were that high they had to have included several years. For >>the >>taxes to run that high the 2.64 acres with a cemetery taking up a goodly >>amount of the ground, the property would have to be in a very high priced >>area for one year to run that high. The taxes had to be delinquent for a >>Tax >>sale. The previous owner under Indiana Law has a grace period to reclaim >>the >>property, by paying up the purchase amount with interest. >> Technically I don't think the Trees can be stripped until that time >>has expired. If so and somehow some group, or person could redeem the land, >>the sale price of the trees would apply to the payment. If the tree sale >>brought $3,000 dollars the only thing owed would be the Interest, and I'm >>not >>sure about that because the property, minus the trees is not now worth what >>it was at the time of the Tax sale. Also you can't buy property at a tax >>sale and build a $150,000 house on it and expect the person redeeming the >>property to come up with that amount, plus the sale amount. You may not >>profit from a tax sale until the redemption time has expired. Sharon, you >>mention a for profit group, do you mean someone who sells cemetery lots to >>make a profit for themselves, or for money to apply to a long term >>maintenance fund. Anyone have any better information? >>Jack E. Briles, Sr. >>Floyd County PCRP Coordinator >>PO Box 444 >>New Albany, In. 47151-0444 >>(812) 282-6585 >> >> >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >>Cemeteries Restoration Project only. >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > > >

In a message dated 11/8/01 10:07:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time, cherokee@shelbynet.net writes: > ? Does she get a refund for all the taxes she has paid on it since 1962? > > > Cris West > Columbus, IN > > > Cris, I will answer one question only, Last year I located a Deed to a "Lost" cemetery in Floyd Co. It was recorded in 1826 and carried forward to the next owner. He dropped it from the deed when he sold it in 1843. It is 1 acre. The present owner bought a total of 2.4 acres in 1970. In 1972 he went out to clear an area to build a house on. He discovered a cemetery in a very, very grown up area between the rd. and the back of his property. Being a good religious man, he moved the location of his house to the back of the lot, leaving the cemetery intact. After I visited him and found no cemetery on his deed, I back tracked until I found it listed by the original owner before the first sale, after the original owner bought it from the government. I took a copy to the assessor and showed her the deed. She said the only thing she could do was give the present owner a 3 year back tax allowance, and there would be no further taxes due on this acre. All he had to do was go in and sign a paper declaring he had no use of the ground and ask for the original deed to be accepted and the matter was settled. The original deed stood, although it had been dropped over 135 years earlier. I couldn't believe the man had moved the location of his house and left the cemetery to become his front yard. The deed read "until the end of Time" the assessor said no matter that it had been dropped from the deed, it could never be changed. It would always be a cemetery. The original deed recorded in 1826 in the Recorders office cannot be changed "From now until the End of Time" It is now listed in the assessors office, and no longer taxed. Jack E. Briles, Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585

My opiniion.......... First off, I do not believe that the son had any title to the cemetery when he deeded it to the new owners. The reservation by Nicholas, Sr. to the public still stands. Since I feel that the first burial was after 1850 it is solely the responsibility of the trustee. There is ingress and egress to the cemetery, the problem is how is she going to let you to it. Usually the most direct and best route is preferred, but this may not be her opinion. Just because she paid taxes on the property or even occupied it, does not give her title without filing a suit for adverse possession where she would have to prove that she was the sole user of the property for seven years and clearly she was not with people buried there. Anyway she would have to file suit to get possession. She did not. In 1972 it was not illegal to run cattle over a cemetery. If she just recently removed the fence, she violated the law. Your conversation officer may be the place to start. Yes, it needs to be fenced and if she took it down the trustee may be looking to her to put it back. If she, through her cattle and farming operations, is the one who negligently destroyed the cemetery throughout the years, she may have pay to locate the graves and restore it to a respectable condition. But you don't know which stone goes where. You might as well realize that you are not going to make many friends in this business. We have them this way several places in Knox County with the cattle still tromping on them. Don't expect much from the conservation officer, except a report will be made. That is the problem, we really have no one to complain to. And if you think your prosecutor is going after anyone, think again. She might be entitled to, at most, the last three years taxes back. That is her problem. And, if like here, don't expect the county to pay for anything. One suggestion, don't put up a fence until you do an underground survey, if you do you will be taking it back down for the survey, because it runs off an electromagnetic field and all it will show is the fence out to about 5 meters. You really don't need to know where the graves are, because you are going to survey and fence the 50x150 area that belongs to the cemetery. Ask your county surveyor if he will mark it off for you this winter when he has time. Jon Andrews >From: "Christine West" <cherokee@shelbynet.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] ...so long as time may last >Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:05:34 -0600 > >Okay, got another dilemma that needs some creative input here in >Bartholomew County. > >Nicholas Jones Sr. was a Revolutionary War veteran who later settled near a >little RR town here called Nortonburg. Before he died, he conveyed the >land to his children and one piece in particular went to his son, Nicholas >Jones Jr. The deed (recorded in 1849) does not contain an exception, it >conveys to him the ground, basically the NE of the SW of the section. But >after the Recorder's declaration, it has the following paragraph, >beautifully written in my opinion: > > >"The within deed and conveyance is made to Nicholas Jones junior with the >distinct and express understanding that I have reserved a certain lot or >piece of ground for the use of the public as a burying ground, 150 ft. deep >& 50 ft. wide lying and being immediately on the North line of said >conveyed piece of land and known by the name of Jones's grave yard or >burying ground, and the same is to be for the use of the public as a >burying place and is to be used for no other purpose so long as time may >last and all and any who may wish to bury on the same with full ingress and >egress to the same for the purpose of a grave yard and it is in nowise to >be considered as conveyed to the said Nicholas Jones Jr. or his heirs. >Notwithstanding is not reserved in the within Deed but to remain as a >public burying ground as long as time lasts." > > >Here is the problem, the son later sold the ground without an exception, >and so it was perpetuated. We had a wonderful historian who worked on our >cemeteries and this is what she wrote of it in December of 1972: > > >"This cemetery was recorded by (herself), who on her first trip, found only >5 broken stones. When they realized the name was JONES and they were >searching for the burial place of Revolutionary War veteran Nicholas Jones, >they went back a second time with an iron probe and found and dug up 3 of >the stones, but were unable to get the 4th one up and it was laying writing >side down. (some local neighbors), went out and finished digging up the >stones and a third trip was made to finish the recording. (a relative of a >former owner), who lived with his grandparents near this cemetery when a >boy, states positively that Nicholas Jones was buried here, he further >states that some of (his) family was buried in this cemetery. The last >burial he recalls was an infant child of (a neighbor). The stones are now >standing up, without a fence around them. Unless a fence is put up or they >are buried again, the cattle will probably destroy them." > > >You can barely recognize the small weed patch in the field as a graveyard >today. It is near the road, but only visible in the winter, as a >"combines-width" exists between it and the road. The township trustee was >told by the former historian that the cemetery was suppose to belong to the >township, as it was originally intended. When the landowner was approached >about it, she refused, stating it was not excepted from her deed and she >paid taxes on it. I checked, she has always paid taxes on it. I spoke >with her about it yesterday (I DO NOT like controversy nor confrontations >so I merely kept the conversation about what SHE knew about the cemetery, >not what I knew) and she still maintains it belongs to her. She said that >when approached several years ago by the trustee, she was told that they >would like to "cut a hole in her fence" and fence on three sides of the >graveyard, allowing access directly from the road. She talked to her >lawyer, who said they had farmed it lon! >g enough that she did not have to do any of it, so she merely removed the >cows and all the fence from it and started farming it. I said that I >estimated there to be about 15 to 20 graves in this cemetery, and she >acknowledged that she knew there were at least that many. Yet they farm >around a patch that could not be more than 10 ft. by 10 ft., so she is >acknowledging the fact that she is farming over graves. I did not mention >to her the new law that says that is illegal, I'll let the Commissioners do >that. > >I plan on gathering my information and having a complete list of questions >that need answers from a qualified BOARD to the commissioners in January (I >hope) and this is my #1 question for them. I don't want to make enemies >doing this, and this lady has actually given me valuable information >regarding another lost cemetery on the other side of the county where she >grew up. I don't want to pick on her (she works for the county as well), >and there are others in bad shape. > >Am I wrong in thinking that this land needs to be surveyed extensively to >locate the actual boundaries of the graveyard, it needs to be fenced in, a >flag pole erected in it, and access given from the road to it? Who pays >for the survey? Who conducts the search for the actual graves? Does she >get a refund for all the taxes she has paid on it since 1962? > > >Cris West >Columbus, IN > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of >"UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Jon & all, "Sale of a Cemetery" laws will still apply here also. I do not think that they can sell it in that manner since there is an established Pioneer cemetery involved. Perhaps Jeannie and the DNR legal team could get involved here to protect the cemetery? Ernie At 09:33 PM 11/8/01, you wrote: Questions?

Thanks to all for replying to my question. I do not want to give out wrong information. I plan on calling the Madison Co. cem. comm. board president soon to see if they actually do have someone who is employed and does the work that Walt does. If they do, I will jump for joy! Like Walt, I would like to see every county in the state who does what Walt and his fellow co-workers do. They are amazing! Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walters" <graveyardgroomer@skyenet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Question > Matt Brooks,executive director of the Association of Indiana Counties stated in an interview with Bill Shaw,reporter for The Indianapolis Star, "That's very unusual. There is no other county in the state that pays someone to resurrect old cemeteries" > It seems to me we need 91 more. I tip my hat to all of the hard working volunteers you are all worth your weight in gold! > I have a great passion for the work I do and believe me it is not all about the paycheck,although it does help. > U.E.B. when you said that people see you and Kyle working they assume you work for the County well here when they see a County employee they assume that he is not working! lol > Walt > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA

Jack and Sharon: In answer to your question about redemption periods, tax deeds, etc..... Fact is, that if the property was sold at a yearly tax sale for delinquent taxes and the new buyer was issued a tax certificate at the time of the sale, that buyer would not gain possession or a valid deed to the property for 1 year from the date of the certificate and only after which time all required notices are posted of record. It used to be 2 years from date. Changed about 7 years ago. If the record owner redeems the taxes, penalties and costs within the 1 year period, the record owner still owns the property and the buyer receives his money back. If he does not, the buyer at the sale will receive a tax deed from the County Commissioners signed by the Auditor. Could take up to six additional months. Then and only then can the buyer take possession of the property. There is a tremendous amount of case law in Indiana supporting this fact. I actually have been a part of it on certain occasions. Now, here's something else. If the property goes on the tax sale for 2 consecutive years and does not sell for lack of a bid. The county has the option to file a lien on the property with the clerk's office against the record owner and the property can then be advertised and sold at a separate sale of County owned excess property. If you buy this property in this manner, possession and a deed is issued generally by the court and happens pretty quickly and is final. Usually a matter of a few weeks if handled by a good county attorney or as soon as the money changes hands. It makes a difference as to how the property was sold and transferred as to how quick you could legally get on the property. Questions? Jon >From: Jb502000@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] going after a cemetery for taxes >Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:06:14 EST > >In a message dated 11/8/01 7:42:34 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >mills@reliable-net.net writes: > > > > Actually, the taxes on this 2.64 areas were over $3,000. That was what >the > > new owner paid to buy the property. They may have been figuring in >those > > big trees he later sold and a handful of years of back taxes. > > > >Sharon, >If the Taxes were that high they had to have included several years. For >the >taxes to run that high the 2.64 acres with a cemetery taking up a goodly >amount of the ground, the property would have to be in a very high priced >area for one year to run that high. The taxes had to be delinquent for a >Tax >sale. The previous owner under Indiana Law has a grace period to reclaim >the >property, by paying up the purchase amount with interest. > Technically I don't think the Trees can be stripped until that time >has expired. If so and somehow some group, or person could redeem the land, >the sale price of the trees would apply to the payment. If the tree sale >brought $3,000 dollars the only thing owed would be the Interest, and I'm >not >sure about that because the property, minus the trees is not now worth what >it was at the time of the Tax sale. Also you can't buy property at a tax >sale and build a $150,000 house on it and expect the person redeeming the >property to come up with that amount, plus the sale amount. You may not >profit from a tax sale until the redemption time has expired. Sharon, you >mention a for profit group, do you mean someone who sells cemetery lots to >make a profit for themselves, or for money to apply to a long term >maintenance fund. Anyone have any better information? >Jack E. Briles, Sr. >Floyd County PCRP Coordinator >PO Box 444 >New Albany, In. 47151-0444 >(812) 282-6585 > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp