My apologies to the group concerning a message posted this afternoon directed at Kyle Conrad. It was from a new subscriber who just signed on today. I have written to this gentleman as I presume he did not realize that, as a subscriber to this group, he will receive copies of ALL messages posted to the group. Lois INPCRP List Manager ==================== Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp Clark Co., IN Cemetery Preservation Committee: http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc

In a message dated 1/13/02 8:36:48 AM US Eastern Standard Time, rvkeller@iupui.edu writes: > Typical of Socialists occupied states!!!! > > > Ryan I don't agree with you. I agree with Sue. California has 30,000,000 residents. The State is not Socialistic, but Realistic. I wish we had some of the Laws concerning cemeteries California has, added to ours. Jack Briles

Great to hear you are involved in this Kyle, I attest to our Henry County Sheriff's Department being a big success with our inmates here, they have went out of their way to do alot of good things for our communities. And Kim has already told the new Cemetery Commission for Henry County, which I am a member of, that he will make their services available for cemetery work. Donna Tauber Spiceland Township Trustee KidClerk@aol.com wrote: > I'm trying to clear up some confusion as to the delinquent taxes that the > county sheriff collects in a county. Sheriffs collect tax judgments issued > by the Indiana Department of Revenue for delinquent sales tax collections and > receive a 'bounty'. Delinquent property taxes are certified to the Court in > the county and once a judgement has been entered, an order is issued to the > county treasurer, who conducts the tax sale. > > I was just trying to explain how it works, and since it is not germain to > this list, it should be dropped from further discussion... > > However, I will add that I have had excellent cooperation from Sheriff Kim > Cronk in Henry County with workers from their facility in cleaning up the > Messick Cemetery. > > Kyle D. Conrad > former Clerk of the Newton Circuit Court and > immediate past president of the Association of Clerks of Circuit Courts of > Indiana > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list.

I don't recall ever asking you about anything...I don't even know who you are! Why are you sending me email? On Sunday, January 13, 2002, at 07:16 PM, KidClerk@aol.com wrote: > I'm trying to clear up some confusion as to the delinquent taxes that > the > county sheriff collects in a county. Sheriffs collect tax judgments > issued > by the Indiana Department of Revenue for delinquent sales tax > collections and > receive a 'bounty'. Delinquent property taxes are certified to the > Court in > the county and once a judgement has been entered, an order is issued to > the > county treasurer, who conducts the tax sale. > > I was just trying to explain how it works, and since it is not germain > to > this list, it should be dropped from further discussion... > > However, I will add that I have had excellent cooperation from Sheriff > Kim > Cronk in Henry County with workers from their facility in cleaning up > the > Messick Cemetery. > > Kyle D. Conrad > former Clerk of the Newton Circuit Court and > immediate past president of the Association of Clerks of Circuit Courts > of > Indiana > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > >

In a message dated 1/13/02 6:36:16 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > Good grief, you guys, this really sounds like you have bigger problems than > cemeteries! > > Sue, I lived in Bakersfield, Kern Co 10 years.. The County Prison in Kern, Laredo, had their own Farm and raised the food they ate, and the Prisoners worked it. You are right, Things are very Different Here. Much Different. I wish we had some of the Laws here. I can't get any help in my county worth a Hoot. Jack Briles

I'm trying to clear up some confusion as to the delinquent taxes that the county sheriff collects in a county. Sheriffs collect tax judgments issued by the Indiana Department of Revenue for delinquent sales tax collections and receive a 'bounty'. Delinquent property taxes are certified to the Court in the county and once a judgement has been entered, an order is issued to the county treasurer, who conducts the tax sale. I was just trying to explain how it works, and since it is not germain to this list, it should be dropped from further discussion... However, I will add that I have had excellent cooperation from Sheriff Kim Cronk in Henry County with workers from their facility in cleaning up the Messick Cemetery. Kyle D. Conrad former Clerk of the Newton Circuit Court and immediate past president of the Association of Clerks of Circuit Courts of Indiana

and who are you and what are you talking about? On Sunday, January 13, 2002, at 06:59 PM, KidClerk@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/13/2002 7:36:40 AM Central Standard Time, > rvkeller@iupui.edu writes: > > >> Wrong. They do. Ready the following statutes: >> >> I.C. 6-8.1-8-3 Section 3(c)(3) In delinquent taxes, the clerk adds >> 10%, >> this 10% goes to the Sheriff at the Sheriff's auction. In a 2nd class >> city or county, the Sheriff can only take $40,000+1/5of anything over >> the >> $40,000. It's very complex, but the Sheriff does get some tax money. >> >> >> > > Spent 10 years as county clerk...not going to argue with you...believe > what > you want. > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >

In a message dated 01/13/2002 7:36:40 AM Central Standard Time, rvkeller@iupui.edu writes: > Wrong. They do. Ready the following statutes: > > I.C. 6-8.1-8-3 Section 3(c)(3) In delinquent taxes, the clerk adds 10%, > this 10% goes to the Sheriff at the Sheriff's auction. In a 2nd class > city or county, the Sheriff can only take $40,000+1/5of anything over the > $40,000. It's very complex, but the Sheriff does get some tax money. > > > Spent 10 years as county clerk...not going to argue with you...believe what you want.

Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> > Date: Sun Jan 13, 2002 01:17:18 AM US/Eastern > To: <adams1@hoosierlink.net>, <barn3369@infi.net>, "galloway" > <galloway@kconline.com> > Subject: Re: Joseph Galloway/Revolutionary War Soldier's Grave site in > Noble Co., IN > > Dear Tisha: > > You've got a pretty serious situation going on here and I wish I had an > easy > answer for you. Sounds like you've already done a LOT of the ground > work, > collecting deed records, etc. > > My first suggestion is that you join the INPCRP e-mail discussion group > by > sending a one-word message consisting of: > SUBSCRIBE > to: INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > After you get your welcome message from Rootsweb, post your message > below to > the group to see if there are others on the list from the Noble Co. > area (I > believe there are one or two, if not more). Maybe by working together > you > can get something happening there. > > Do you have PICTURES of the site? > > Lois > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "galloway" <galloway@kconline.com> > To: <LoisMauk@usa.net>; <ssattert@citznet.com>; <barn3369@infi.net>; > <adams1@hoosierlink.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:47 AM > Subject: Joseph Galloway/Revolutionary War Soldier's Grave site > > >> >> >> To INPCRP; Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project >> >> >> May I please inform you of a situation that may find you and your > group >> some interest and a worthy cause. I wish to inform you of the >> controversy >> over the graves of those burried in the Stewart-Greisinger cemetery in >> Washington township in Noble county Indiana. I am especially >> interested in >> one particular grave and that is that of Joseph Galloway >> Sr./Revolutionary >> War Soldier. I am of decent to him, and would like to enlist as many as >> possible to help with this cause. There has been a request of a new >> access >> road be installed presented to the county commisioners in Noble county >> Indiana for preservation purposes. Thus far the proposed road has not >> been >> approved. Without such access to this cemetery it will be lost forever. >> I would like to inform you that this cemetery is in very grave >> danger >> of being lost. And that would be a down right shame. I have been >> working >> along side of Martha Barnhart of the Daughters of the American >> Revolution > to >> try to preserve this cemetery which is in a sad, neglected, forgotten > state. >> Not only have I obtained the plot maps, the airial views and survey >> maps > and >> the deed to the cemetery...I have also recently been back to the >> cemetery > to >> view the neglect first hand. I was appalled and sadened. The statements > made >> recently by the Washington township trustee aslo sickened me. Mr. >> Miller >> says he believes in the old way of thinking and that be "if it ain't >> broke > , >> don't fix it", Well I don't know how much more broke this cemetery >> could >> get. It needs serious care and restoration to survive. The airial >> views of >> the cemetery are also sickening..the farmer who owns the surrounding > fields >> is farming escentially half of the cemetery,, and I am sure over >> graves. > The >> cemetery is plotted to be an acre in size..and it is mearly half that >> now. >> The fence is down and non-exsistant on the north and west sides and >> those >> are the sides that are being farmed and crowded by Longville Farms. >> There > is >> also supposed to be 30 marked graves and 5 unmarked graves. Upon my >> visit > on >> 1-11-02 I could count about a dozen graves. Please, if you and your >> group >> would like to voice and volunteer your support, I assure you it is a > worthy >> cause. The commisioners are stumbling their feet on the issue of a >> road, > and >> the farmer who owns the land is uncooperative thus far. If you would > please >> contact myself or Martha Barnhart we would love to discuss this issue. >> My >> home# is 219-268-2337 ...Mrs. Barnharts # is 219-693-3369 This >> cemetery is > a >> asset to the County as well as the State of Indiana as a historical >> place. >> There is a Revolutionary soldier burried there! The Washington township >> trustee has neglected this cemetery for years, as well as the >> commisioners >> of the county, and I am sure you are aware, it is their responsability >> to >> maintain and repair it. It is located in a corner of a field with no > access >> to it. Therefore it has been forgotten and neglected for years upon >> years. > >> What myself and Martha Barnhart of The Daughters of the American > Revolution >> would like to do is preserve and restore this piece of history to it's >> rightfull glory. Without access to do so, this will indeed be >> impossible. >> You may also contact the Washington Township Trustee Allen Miller @ >> 219-834-2502 for explaination as to why he hasn't taken care of the >> cemetery. County Commisioner Hal Stump may also be contacted concerning > the >> issue's at NOBLE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS >> >> Mark Pankop >> 11223E - 900N >> Kendallville, IN 46755 >> 260/347-3798 >> >> J.Hal Stump >> 8084 W. Gilbert Lake Road >> Kimmell, IN 46760 >> 260/856-2663 >> >> Richard Winebrenner >> 709 S. York St. >> Albion, IN 46701 >> 260/636-7240 >> >> James Mowery, County Attonrey >> 104 E. Main St. >> Albion, IN 46760 >> 260/636-2141 >> >> >> Thank You >> >> Sincerely >> Tisha A. Galloway >> >> >> >> > >

Lois and all, Here is a link to Joseph Galloway's grave site it includes two links to two newspaper articles of which they have been working on up there. http://www.geocities.com/sdf51/galljose.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Lois Mauk <loismauk@home.com> To: <adams1@hoosierlink.net>; <barn3369@infi.net>; galloway <galloway@kconline.com> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Re: Joseph Galloway/Revolutionary War Soldier's Grave site in Noble Co., IN > Dear Tisha: > > You've got a pretty serious situation going on here and I wish I had an easy > answer for you. Sounds like you've already done a LOT of the ground work, > collecting deed records, etc. > > My first suggestion is that you join the INPCRP e-mail discussion group by > sending a one-word message consisting of: > SUBSCRIBE > to: INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > After you get your welcome message from Rootsweb, post your message below to > the group to see if there are others on the list from the Noble Co. area (I > believe there are one or two, if not more). Maybe by working together you > can get something happening there. > > Do you have PICTURES of the site? > > Lois > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "galloway" <galloway@kconline.com> > To: <LoisMauk@usa.net>; <ssattert@citznet.com>; <barn3369@infi.net>; > <adams1@hoosierlink.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:47 AM > Subject: Joseph Galloway/Revolutionary War Soldier's Grave site > > > > > > > > To INPCRP; Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project > > > > > > May I please inform you of a situation that may find you and your > group > > some interest and a worthy cause. I wish to inform you of the controversy > > over the graves of those burried in the Stewart-Greisinger cemetery in > > Washington township in Noble county Indiana. I am especially interested in > > one particular grave and that is that of Joseph Galloway Sr./Revolutionary > > War Soldier. I am of decent to him, and would like to enlist as many as > > possible to help with this cause. There has been a request of a new access > > road be installed presented to the county commisioners in Noble county > > Indiana for preservation purposes. Thus far the proposed road has not been > > approved. Without such access to this cemetery it will be lost forever. > > I would like to inform you that this cemetery is in very grave danger > > of being lost. And that would be a down right shame. I have been working > > along side of Martha Barnhart of the Daughters of the American Revolution > to > > try to preserve this cemetery which is in a sad, neglected, forgotten > state. > > Not only have I obtained the plot maps, the airial views and survey maps > and > > the deed to the cemetery...I have also recently been back to the cemetery > to > > view the neglect first hand. I was appalled and sadened. The statements > made > > recently by the Washington township trustee aslo sickened me. Mr. Miller > > says he believes in the old way of thinking and that be "if it ain't broke > , > > don't fix it", Well I don't know how much more broke this cemetery could > > get. It needs serious care and restoration to survive. The airial views of > > the cemetery are also sickening..the farmer who owns the surrounding > fields > > is farming escentially half of the cemetery,, and I am sure over graves. > The > > cemetery is plotted to be an acre in size..and it is mearly half that now. > > The fence is down and non-exsistant on the north and west sides and those > > are the sides that are being farmed and crowded by Longville Farms. There > is > > also supposed to be 30 marked graves and 5 unmarked graves. Upon my visit > on > > 1-11-02 I could count about a dozen graves. Please, if you and your group > > would like to voice and volunteer your support, I assure you it is a > worthy > > cause. The commisioners are stumbling their feet on the issue of a road, > and > > the farmer who owns the land is uncooperative thus far. If you would > please > > contact myself or Martha Barnhart we would love to discuss this issue. My > > home# is 219-268-2337 ...Mrs. Barnharts # is 219-693-3369 This cemetery is > a > > asset to the County as well as the State of Indiana as a historical place. > > There is a Revolutionary soldier burried there! The Washington township > > trustee has neglected this cemetery for years, as well as the commisioners > > of the county, and I am sure you are aware, it is their responsability to > > maintain and repair it. It is located in a corner of a field with no > access > > to it. Therefore it has been forgotten and neglected for years upon years. > > > What myself and Martha Barnhart of The Daughters of the American > Revolution > > would like to do is preserve and restore this piece of history to it's > > rightfull glory. Without access to do so, this will indeed be impossible. > > You may also contact the Washington Township Trustee Allen Miller @ > > 219-834-2502 for explaination as to why he hasn't taken care of the > > cemetery. County Commisioner Hal Stump may also be contacted concerning > the > > issue's at NOBLE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS > > > > Mark Pankop > > 11223E - 900N > > Kendallville, IN 46755 > > 260/347-3798 > > > > J.Hal Stump > > 8084 W. Gilbert Lake Road > > Kimmell, IN 46760 > > 260/856-2663 > > > > Richard Winebrenner > > 709 S. York St. > > Albion, IN 46701 > > 260/636-7240 > > > > James Mowery, County Attonrey > > 104 E. Main St. > > Albion, IN 46760 > > 260/636-2141 > > > > > > Thank You > > > > Sincerely > > Tisha A. Galloway > > > > > > > > > >

On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Sue Silver wrote: > Good grief, you guys, this really sounds like you have bigger problems than > cemeteries! > > The inmate crews that work the California Dept. of Forestry, take food and > prepare it for themselves right at the work site. They have a portable > stove/BBQ where they make coffee, and heat other foods. One or two of the > guys on the crew are in charge of food prep. It's not fancy, but it gets > the job done. Typical of Socialists occupied states!!!!

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 KidClerk@aol.com wrote: > Sheriff's don't get a percentage of delinquent property tax payments. Wrong. They do. Ready the following statutes: I.C. 6-8.1-8-3 Section 3(c)(3) In delinquent taxes, the clerk adds 10%, this 10% goes to the Sheriff at the Sheriff's auction. In a 2nd class city or county, the Sheriff can only take $40,000+1/5of anything over the $40,000. It's very complex, but the Sheriff does get some tax money.

Fayette County had a program of working the inmates.They would sweep bridges,intersections,pick up debris ,work with the cemeteries, etc.I am not real sure how long they had done this ,but it was halted about five years ago.It seems that while they were clearing overgrowth of a cemetery the adjacent property owner found two of them pilfering through his barn and ordered them off the property never to return,Then only a short time later the inmates were working at the animal shelter and one idiot decided to shoot up animal tranquilizer and damn near died.After that incident they stopped the program.Our current Sheriff has been trying to implement the program again.He states that the reason for these incidents was the supervision.I know that he has spoke with the Commissioners several times on this subject,but they feel as the public does not want this program here. I tip my hat to our new sheriff as he is still working on a program to get community service from certain non violent inmates and knows what a contribution it would be if dealt with properly. WALT

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Brian Smead wrote: > Don, > I've never seen federal inmates in Terre Haute on work crews but I believe > that they are hard timers and, of course, death row inmates. Also, as > federal inmates, they wouldn't fall into the realm on the local authorities. > I believe that the federal prison system is going to build a minimum > security prison here in Terre Haute also but I doubt that they would be > involved in local work crews either. I have seen, many time, prisoners from > the local jail on work crews in the Summers but only with city and county > departments, street and highway departments, for example. > Brian E. Smead > Terre Haute, Indiana Actually, the federal prison in Terre Haute does contain people who have stolen or were caught with drugs in DC. Any crime in DC is a federal felony, and many go to Terre Haute. I also heard they have a work farm or work release farm. A boss of mine used to be a cop out there and said once that he had to go find a guy who didn't check in. This may have changed over the last few years, I am not sure.

Good grief, you guys, this really sounds like you have bigger problems than cemeteries! The inmate crews that work the California Dept. of Forestry, take food and prepare it for themselves right at the work site. They have a portable stove/BBQ where they make coffee, and heat other foods. One or two of the guys on the crew are in charge of food prep. It's not fancy, but it gets the job done. Sue > Jon, > That Meal Skimming has been a big thing here to. They > would have to fix Brown Bag Lunches that would look good in case the public > saw what the prisoners, or service workers ate. > > Jack > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > >

Sheriff's don't get a percentage of delinquent property tax payments. Sheriff's receive a meal allowance in which they must feed the inmates. If they can feed their prisoners for less than they receive, then they get to keep the rest. Also, they receive a 'bounty' on late sales tax judgments that they collect through their offices...this is state money, not county. The sheriff has no part in the property tax procedure. If you're late in paying your property tax, it goes to court and the county gets a judgment against you and the ocunty treasurer sells your property at auction. Kyle D. Conrad

Don, I've never seen federal inmates in Terre Haute on work crews but I believe that they are hard timers and, of course, death row inmates. Also, as federal inmates, they wouldn't fall into the realm on the local authorities. I believe that the federal prison system is going to build a minimum security prison here in Terre Haute also but I doubt that they would be involved in local work crews either. I have seen, many time, prisoners from the local jail on work crews in the Summers but only with city and county departments, street and highway departments, for example. Brian E. Smead Terre Haute, Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "CRFORDY" <crfordy@citlink.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Inmate work Crews > It is sad that these sheriff's that you mention are not interested in > working these men and women that are confined. They can get a lot of > political mileage out of these types of special projects. Someone should try > to convince these elected officials how good these types of projects are for > their election and re-elections. I work for the California Department of > Corrections. Even though these Wardens are not elected they willingly > provide work crews and each year they adopt a Cemetery, School, Park etc and > compete with other work crews for the best looking work produced. The > inmates take a lot of pride in their work. Most of them have not worked to > any degree in their lives and they are really impressed with themselves and > what they can produce. They even cut fire wood for indigent seniors and > shovel snow from overloaded public and private buildings. These men and > women are first classified by their type of crime. No sex offenders, No > Arsonists, No lifers, and No violent offenders. So what you end up with are > mostly minor drug offenders and property crime offenders. They also take > people with smaller sentences left to serve so they are less likely to want > to run off while out on public service crews. Most of these crews are about > 8-10 in size they bring their own tools so there are no exchanges with the > public except for maybe words or looks. Usually they have secured an older > surplus military or school bus. They pull a trailer with a chemical toilet > mounted on it. These items are usually surplus so the cost is lower. All > the Sheriff needs do is supply the security and the inmates to the above and > he looks as good to the public as his crews do in their work. I know that > this is over simplified in word but believe me these Elected and appointed > officials are well thought of. The better they are thought of the more and > better the work becomes and re elections and appointments are almost > assured. The big winner in this is scenario is the public. They actually get > something out of the moneys they pay in taxes. Every year the waiting list > grows with requests for public services. The hard part-getting to convince > the officials in your area that this is something they will also benefit > from. > Just for information we are to be recieving a couple of new crews in a > couple of years. A new federal prison is locating here and they have a > procedure to supply work crews for public projects too. I Know there is a > Federal Prison in Terre Haute maybe they have a program in place for > community work crews. > Don Huffman > crfordy@citlink.net > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > >

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 Jb502000@aol.com wrote: > Jon, > That Meal Skimming has been a big thing here to. I was 40 years old and knew > every Law officer in the county and didn't know that. How I heard about it > was a fellow told me, you could have Coffee and 1 fresh donught, or 2 stale > ones. If this law passes lets see how many Sheriff's will go for it. They > would have to fix Brown Bag Lunches that would look good in case the public > saw what the prisoners, or service workers ate. > > Jack Jack, Back when Hancock Co. had it's election for Sheriff, I think all 3 guys said they would be willing to work on contract with the county. Basically they would get (if I recall) around $80,000/yr. with everything they _should_ have gotten going back into the departments budget so the deputies could get nicer stuff.

I heard that the Marion Co. Sheriff position gets about $1 million a year. This is actually far less than what he/she should get compared to other counties. Most other counties the Sheriff gets a percentage of all the late property tax payments. Well, the Marion Co. percentage was capped at $300K I heard. Most of the money comes from contracts with SBC to be the single provider for collect calls from the jail and meals. On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, jon andrews wrote: > Oh, I forgot to tell you that the biggest reason for not working these > people is that they have families to support and need real jobs that pay > money. Darn, so do I. You are right, Jack. If you have to babysit them, you > might as well do it yourself. And then somebody is liable to call foul. And > Sue, as far as our Sheriff, he's not ashamed to take his right up on top of > the table. Where everyone sees it. Clips over $125,000.00 a year after he > gets done skimming the prisoner's meal money. We have a dozen people running > for Sheriff this year. Wonder why? > Jon > > >From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] House Bill 1189 > >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:00:18 -0800 > > > >Jon, > > > >Our state Department of Forestry has inmate crews available from the inmate > >firefighters. We asked for a crew at the cemetery where I am sexton and > >they were perfectly willing to help but we did have to provide a > >porta-potty. It cost us $52.00 and we had 15 men for seven full days. It > >was the best $52.00 we ever spent! > > > >Sounds to me like your sheriff probably gets something under the table to > >assist him in deciding which projects to undertake with the inmate crew. > > > >We have sheriff's "Work Release" inmates where they go into the Sheriff's > >dept. and then they are taken to the place of their assignment. Our county > >inmate crews are strictly from that source. The inmates housed in the jail > >are not released for project work at all. It is a separate program for the > >low risk convicted persons. Ability to serve on a work release program is > >approved by the judge and the sheriff. > > > >A specific program like this might benefit the county's and if the state > >could be convinced to provide start up funding, the inmates who work on our > >work release program actually have to pay to be on it! > > > >Seems to me we just have to keep trying until we find something that will > >work. > > > >Sue Silver > >CA > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> > >To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:28 PM > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] House Bill 1189 > > > > > > > Let me tell you how far this will go in Knox County. Four years ago a > >judge > > > ordered in a settlement agreement between the County Cemetery Commission > >and > > > the County Commissioners, etal the use of work release to help clean > > > cemeteries. To date, there has been no such help. The sheriff's office, > >who > > > oversees the program refuses to help. Their excuse is we would have to > >bus > > > them out there at 8:00, give them lunch, bus them back and with there > > > required breaks and all along with the fact that we cannot provide the > > > inmate a public restroom facility, they would probably not accomplish > >much. > > > Also, nobody wants these people on their property, so let's not rock the > > > boat. So, have at it elsewhere but we've tried it with no success. > >Unless, > > > the public who votes wants their streets cleaned or Christmas lights put > >up, > > > forget the help of work release. I frankly think we could tie them to a > > > headstone like a goat and let them graze out there in the hot sun. And > >as > > > far as restroom facilities, we generally use a tree. > > > Jon Andrews > > > > > > > > > >From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> > > > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: [INPCRP] House Bill 1189 > > > >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:33:44 -0500 > > > > > > > >I've been searching through the legislation introduced this week in the > > > >current session of the Indiana General Assembly for something > >addressing > > > >our > > > >concerns about the portability of pioneer cemeteries. Haven't found > > > >anything yet, but the following bill caught my eye: > > > > > > > >House Bill 1189 > > > > > > > >Introduced by Representative Sturtz > > > > > > > >Status: 1/10/2002 -- First reading: referred to Committee on Judiciary > > > > > > > >SUMMARY: > > > > > > > >County inmate work crews. Allows a county sheriff to establish an > >inmate > > > >work program. Specifies inmate eligibility requirements and requires > > > >inmates > > > >to dress in distinctive county jail uniforms while performing work on > > > >crews. > > > >Allows a sheriff to require a crew to perform any work the sheriff > > > >determines to be appropriate and of benefit to the community except for > > > >public work (as defined in the public works projects law). > > > >==================================== > > > > > > > >See http://www.state.in.us/serv/lsa_billinfo for additional info on HB > > > >1189. > > > > > > > >We've had GREAT success with the use of inmate labor crews provided to > >us > > > >by > > > >Clark Co. Sheriff Mike Becher. Perhaps a statute such as this is what > >is > > > >needed to encourage other Sheriffs to follow suite. > > > > > > > >This bill is now before the House Judiciary Committee. The members of > >that > > > >committee are: > > > > > > > >Chair: Representative Sturtz > > > >Vice Chair: Representative Tincher > > > >Members: Bardon; C. Brown; Cochran; Dvorak; Frenz; Kuzman. Foley, > >R.M.M.; > > > >Dumezich; Munson; Steele; Torr; Ulmer. > > > > > > > >in case you want to contact any of them to express your support for > >this > > > >bill. See http://www.IN.gov/legislative/legislators/ for contact > > > >information. > > > > > > > >Lois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, > >IA > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of > >England > >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > > to high ideals." > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 Jb502000@aol.com wrote: > sounds good, but so does all the rest we have seen in the last 2 years. The > DNR has no arresting powers unless you spotlight a deer. If a cemetery law is > Broken you report to the DNR, then you go file charges with the County > Prosecutor on your own. Tell him you have reported it, then si back and wait. > For what, when??? The DNR has the same arrest powers as I do. DNR is more versed with recrational, land type laws. Snowmobles, 4-wheelers, hunting, fish kills, etc.. I don't understand the last part of the response. Was a man just charged with various cemetery crimes down in the southern part of the county? Also, if you don't have a suspect, then you are right...chances are nothing will ever happen.