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Hi John, Where are you going to do a workshop in Ohio and when? We can help publicize that. Katie OCPS

According to: http://www.state.in.us/legislative/reports/2002/BCALH.PDF House Bill 1241 is scheduled for its SECOND READING on Monday, February 4th. The session convenes at 11:00 A.M. in the House Chambers. After its THIRD reading, the Bill will be ready for a vote. So contact your legislators soon. Lois

My experience with the flat bronze markers is that dirt gets on them and grass eventually grows over them. The next time I go to Vincennes, I need to take my trowel and dig the dirt off my grandparents marker before it obscures their names. It's been there about 30 years. Dirt and grass growing over the markers is a big problem with flat markers. No one, including those who run the city cemetery, can find the markers in the area near the highway (Fairview Cemetery) where my father's sisters are buried. They had small concrete plot numbers and wooden markers, but the concrete numbers are several inched below the grass, now. They've been there at least 80 years. Sharon Howell

I finally have something to report to you on a House Bill (#1241) addressing our concerns about the ease with which pioneer cemeteries may be relocated. House Bill 1241 was introduced 01/14/2002, authored by Representative Lytle, coauthored by Representative Mangus, had its first reading and was referred to Committee on Agriculture and Natural Resources and Rural Development. On 01/29/2002, the Committee recommended the passage of the Bill. The Bill must survive a second AND a third reading before the House before it can be set for a vote. I don't know when it will have its second reading (not on the schedule for today, 1/31/2002), but these things can happen very quickly. Consequently, time is of the essense for you to correspond with your legislators about your opinions concerning House Bill 1241. When and if HB 1241 passes the House, it will then be referred to the Senate when it can be changed and either killed or passed there. After passing both Chambers (House and Senate), it will go to the Governor for ratification and execution into law. If signed by the Governor, the law would go into effect on 7/1/2002. The gist of the amendment contained in the Bill with which we are concerned is: IC 23-14-57-1; (02)HB1241.1.10. --> SECTION 10. IC 23-14-57-1 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2002]: Sec. 1. (a) As used in this section, "removed" refers to the disinterment, disentombment, or disinurnment of the remains of a deceased human. (b) The remains, either cremated or uncremated, of a deceased human shall not be removed from a cemetery without: (1) a written order of issued by the state department of health; (2) the written consent of: (A) the owner of the cemetery; or (B) the owner's representative; and (3) the written consent of: (A) the spouse of the deceased; or (B) the parents of the deceased in the case of a deceased minor child; or a court order; authorizing the disinterment, disentombment, or disinurnment. (c) Before issuing a written authorization under subsection (b), the state department of health shall do the following: (1) Obtain written evidence of the legal ownership of the property from which the remains will be removed. (2) Send written notice to the department of natural resources, division of historic preservation and archaeology, of the time, date, and place from which the remains will be removed. (3) Obtain written evidence that a licensed funeral director has agreed to: (A) be present at the removal and at the reinterment, reentombment, or reinurnment of the remains; and (B) cause the completed order of the state department of health to be recorded in the office of the county recorder of the county where the removal occurred. (4) Obtain written evidence that a notice of the removal has been published at least five (5) days before the removal in a newspaper of general circulation in the county where the removal will occur. (d) The state department of health may adopt rules under IC 4-22-2 to implement this section. ================ AFTER YOU READ THE BILL AND FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS, I hope you'll go to YOUR Legislators' webpages (Representatives AND Senators) and send them an e-mail, call them or leave a message indicating your opinions on this legislation. See http://www.IN.gov/legislative/contact/contact.html and http://www.IN.gov/legislative/legislators/ for contact info. ======================= TO READ THE ENTIRE BILL AND TO STAY UP TO DATE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING, GO TO: http://www.state.in.us/serv/lsa_billinfo?year=2002&session=1&request=getBill &docno=1241 or, if you have trouble with that URL, go to: http://www.state.in.us/serv/lsa_billinfo and type in bill number "1241"

In a message dated 1/30/02 8:01:51 PM US Eastern Standard Time, mjbaldwin0@yahoo.com writes: > We attended a workshop given by SOS Save outdoor > Sculptures . They clean Bronze statuary with crushed > walnut shells. Then wax Bronze and buff to a shine. > Touchup every year with more wax. Mary Jane and Ron > Baldwin > Ron, and Mary Jane Good Idea. That will work fine on statuary. But the Bronze Plaques on the ground have a tendency to get much more scuffing than anything else. I think they were referring to Plaques, but I'm not sure. To be honest they don't have much protection. I've seen mower wheels go right over them. I hope sooner or later someone comes up with an easy solution for Bronze that does not require much maintenance, except for every 3 or 4 years or more. Jack

We attended a workshop given by SOS Save outdoor Sculptures . They clean Bronze statuary with crushed walnut shells. Then wax Bronze and buff to a shine. Touchup every year with more wax. Mary Jane and Ron Baldwin --- Jb502000@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/24/02 1:16:48 AM US Eastern > Standard Time, > skifri@qtm.net writes: > > > > I have recently received a couple of different > queries in regards to sealing > > bronze markers to keep the gold from fading, etc. > From what I can concur, it > > would be safe to seal these with a polyurethane > substance, providing they > > are not attached to another headstone. Can anyone > shed some light here? > > > > Cindy L. (Skiles) Frie > > Please visit the Berrien County Genealogy Society > website > > > > Cindi, > I know You probably already have an answer to your > question, but if not the > following is what I have found out since I first > read your E-Mail. I was > curious myself. Checking with several Monument CO's. > they tell me If you > clean the Bronze Tablet very good and let it dry, > and on a warm day outside > with the Temp. 70% or above, spray them with > Something like a clear > Polyurethane, or a good clear marine finish it will > make them look good for a > while. NOW, the bad part, after a period of time the > finish will weather and > begin to get dull itself. The sun, along with rain > will cause this to create > a problem. Then you would have to remove that finish > and start over again. > Also, if it is a Flat Bronze marker it > will be run over by the > wheels of the mowers and begin to get small nicks > and scratches in the finish > you apply. You may, and no one will say for sure, > end up with a worse problem > than you may already have now. A friend of mine in > the Monument business said > a Large cemetery here in New Albany, In. sometimes > bring them in after a few > years and have them lightly blasted with micro Glass > beads and take them back > to their Cem. shop, polish them up and replace them. > Outside of that, no one > does anything around here, or the Louisville area. > Good Luck!! > > Jack E. Briles Sr > jb502000@aol.com > Floyd Co. INPCRP Coordinator > P.O. Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If you know of some good cemetery related links, > send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

In a message dated 1/24/02 1:16:48 AM US Eastern Standard Time, skifri@qtm.net writes: > I have recently received a couple of different queries in regards to sealing > bronze markers to keep the gold from fading, etc. From what I can concur, it > would be safe to seal these with a polyurethane substance, providing they > are not attached to another headstone. Can anyone shed some light here? > > Cindy L. (Skiles) Frie > Please visit the Berrien County Genealogy Society website > Cindi, I know You probably already have an answer to your question, but if not the following is what I have found out since I first read your E-Mail. I was curious myself. Checking with several Monument CO's. they tell me If you clean the Bronze Tablet very good and let it dry, and on a warm day outside with the Temp. 70% or above, spray them with Something like a clear Polyurethane, or a good clear marine finish it will make them look good for a while. NOW, the bad part, after a period of time the finish will weather and begin to get dull itself. The sun, along with rain will cause this to create a problem. Then you would have to remove that finish and start over again. Also, if it is a Flat Bronze marker it will be run over by the wheels of the mowers and begin to get small nicks and scratches in the finish you apply. You may, and no one will say for sure, end up with a worse problem than you may already have now. A friend of mine in the Monument business said a Large cemetery here in New Albany, In. sometimes bring them in after a few years and have them lightly blasted with micro Glass beads and take them back to their Cem. shop, polish them up and replace them. Outside of that, no one does anything around here, or the Louisville area. Good Luck!! Jack E. Briles Sr jb502000@aol.com Floyd Co. INPCRP Coordinator P.O. Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585

Bravo to Dale Drake and Helen Wildermuth for the Hoosier Times story in yesterday's paper. I've added a link to the page to the INPCRP "In the News" page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/inthenews.html Lois ======================== ADDRESS CHANGE NOTICE ======================== Due to the bankruptcy of @home cable ISP, my e-mail address will change in the next few weeks. To date, we have not been advised what our new address will be; however, I have a PERMANENT forwarding address. Please use this address if you experience difficulty reaching me:

An article appeared in yesterday's Hoosier Times concerning Morgan County's pioneer cemeteries. You can access the article at: http://www.hoosiertimes.com/mv-to-top/index-rt.php3 Sam Cline Hoosier History & Genealogy http://www.hoosierweb.org/ The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores. The latch string is always out.

We also found recent damage in two graveyards... OH, MOTHER DEAR, A SHORT FAREWELL.. THAT WE MAY MEET AGAIN ABOVE...AND ROAM WHERE ANGELS LOVE TO DWELL..WHERE TREES OF LIFE BEAR FRUITS OF LOVE. A PRECIOUS ONE FROM US IS GONE, A VOICE WE LOVED IS STILLED, A PLACE IS VACANT IN OUR HOME, THAT NEVER CAN BE FILLED....... A LITTLE TIME ON EARTH THEY SPENT TILL GOD FOR THEM HIS ANGEL SENT...... HE THAT HATH PITY UPON THE POOR, LENDETH UNTO THE LORD....... (this one I found most unusual)... everyone have a good week....... Ruth Pride ,Wheatland...

Here is an interesting article I came across while doing cemetery research recently; NOTICE: Please, remember this is an 1875 article that was in an old (1875) newspaper. It may seem gruesome to some of you. Here is the link http://hcgs.tripod.com/bodysnatch.html UEB Henry County, IN WWW.HCGS.NET

Excellent idea Mark! Sabrina ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark davis" <md9105@skyenet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Vandals damage 50 to 100 headstones at South Bend cemetery > This may be off topic..... Ok, I will compromise on the death penalty for > cemetery vandalism( that comment was tongue in cheek,anyway)...Maybe a more > appropriate penalty for cemetery vandalism would be 50 hours of cemetery > restoration for every stone they knock over or destroy. No more wimpy > justice. That way you get the cemetery repaired and you keep a vandal on his > or her hands and knees for a few weeks in a community service project. > Teddy Roosevelt was right..."Walk softly and carry a big stick". > > Mark Davis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rvkeller@iupui.edu> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Vandals damage 50 to 100 headstones at South Bend > cemetery > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 1/21/02 > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > >

This may be off topic..... Ok, I will compromise on the death penalty for cemetery vandalism( that comment was tongue in cheek,anyway)...Maybe a more appropriate penalty for cemetery vandalism would be 50 hours of cemetery restoration for every stone they knock over or destroy. No more wimpy justice. That way you get the cemetery repaired and you keep a vandal on his or her hands and knees for a few weeks in a community service project. Teddy Roosevelt was right..."Walk softly and carry a big stick". Mark Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: <rvkeller@iupui.edu> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Vandals damage 50 to 100 headstones at South Bend cemetery > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 1/21/02

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, mark davis wrote: > My Grandmother use to tell of people staying beside the freshly dug graves > of ancestors so grave robbers couldnt steal the body and sell it for medical > research. Has anyone heard of this? > > Also, in reference to the South Bend article. I think people who vandalize > cemeteries are as low as it gets. Bring back the death penalty please. Cool, the death penalty for vandalism. That would be like rule under the Taliban!!! John Walker for president!!!

I though my grandfather said that! Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark davis" <md9105@skyenet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Vandals damage 50 to 100 headstones at South Bend cemetery > Teddy Roosevelt was right..."Walk softly and carry a big stick". > > Mark Davis > >

I have recently received a couple of different queries in regards to sealing bronze markers to keep the gold from fading, etc. From what I can concur, it would be safe to seal these with a polyurethane substance, providing they are not attached to another headstone. Can anyone shed some light here? Cindy L. (Skiles) Frie Please visit the Berrien County Genealogy Society website http://w3.qtm.net/bcgensoc/index.htm

Lois, Are you related to any of the Warsaw, Indiana Mauks? Just curious! LOL On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 09:58 PM, Lois Mauk wrote: > Most likely you've already heard about the anticipated demise of @home > cable > internet service. For cable internet subscribers (except AT&T cable), I > understand our @home service will remain in effect until some time at > the > end of February (check with your local cable internet provider for a > precise > date if this affects you). > > Nevertheless, I have already started making changes to my e-mail group > subscriptions, Rootsweb webpage owner and other registrations with > Rootsweb > to a permanent forwarding address so I won't have to deal with the > problem > when the change-over happens. > > It occurs to me that this information may be useful to some of you on > this > list and I thought I would remind you that any Rootsweb subscriber can > go > to: > http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ > to enter your e-mail address(es) and receive a message back from > Rootsweb > indicating exactly which groups you are subscribed to, what webpages are > assigned to you, and so forth. > > Especially if you are a current @home subscriber to this or any other > Rootsweb list, I recommend that you go to Password Central and get the > lists > so, when the time comes, you'll be ready to make the changes to your > subscription and registration addresses. > > Having a copy of these lists tucked away on your computer is handy even > if > you NEVER plan on changing your e-mail address. It's a very handy > reference > setting out all of the lists you are currently subscribed to, with > posting > addresses and unsubscribe links. > > Thanks. > > Lois > List Manager > ==================== > Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp > Clark Co., IN Cemetery Preservation Committee: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc > Clark Co., IN GENWEB site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inclark > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >

Most likely you've already heard about the anticipated demise of @home cable internet service. For cable internet subscribers (except AT&T cable), I understand our @home service will remain in effect until some time at the end of February (check with your local cable internet provider for a precise date if this affects you). Nevertheless, I have already started making changes to my e-mail group subscriptions, Rootsweb webpage owner and other registrations with Rootsweb to a permanent forwarding address so I won't have to deal with the problem when the change-over happens. It occurs to me that this information may be useful to some of you on this list and I thought I would remind you that any Rootsweb subscriber can go to: http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ to enter your e-mail address(es) and receive a message back from Rootsweb indicating exactly which groups you are subscribed to, what webpages are assigned to you, and so forth. Especially if you are a current @home subscriber to this or any other Rootsweb list, I recommend that you go to Password Central and get the lists so, when the time comes, you'll be ready to make the changes to your subscription and registration addresses. Having a copy of these lists tucked away on your computer is handy even if you NEVER plan on changing your e-mail address. It's a very handy reference setting out all of the lists you are currently subscribed to, with posting addresses and unsubscribe links. Thanks. Lois List Manager ==================== Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp Clark Co., IN Cemetery Preservation Committee: http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc Clark Co., IN GENWEB site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inclark

My Grandmother use to tell of people staying beside the freshly dug graves of ancestors so grave robbers couldnt steal the body and sell it for medical research. Has anyone heard of this? Also, in reference to the South Bend article. I think people who vandalize cemeteries are as low as it gets. Bring back the death penalty please. Mark Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Vandals damage 50 to 100 headstones at South Bend cemetery > Thanks to Ruth Pride for bringing the following Indianapolis Star wire news > report to our attention. > > "Vandals damage 50 to 100 headstones at South Bend cemetery" > http://www.indystar.com/data/wire/out/0122ap_m0l2b9s009.html > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/02