Thanks to G. Arndt < prairiefarm@csinet.net > for letting us know about the latest vandalism, this time in Michigan City, IN. See: http://www.michigancityin.com/insidenews.asp?ID=16071 for the full story. Lois

In a message dated 2/7/02 9:17:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time, Kdill@indianahistory.org writes: > Group, > > I am currently working on setting up a cemetery restoration workshop in > Evansville on June 8. The cemetery I want to use is private and > governed by a board. If I get permission to probe (and of course repair > stones) from the board, do I need to get permission from the township > trustee as well? I'm going to check with the DNR about this, but I > would appreciate your feedback. Thanks! > > Katherine Dill > > > Katherine, I would say if the cemetery has an Active board and has maintenance funds then the Twp. Trustee would not have Jurisdiction over it. The Trustee primarily has Jurisdiction over Cemeteries without funds for Maintenance. Then you should have his Permission. I, under the present Laws don't believe he can override the Board and Grant you Permission, because he/she would not have the Authority. I doubt very much with a Board that the Trustee would even give you permission. As to the Trustee, part of their Job is to Repair Broken Stones. How can you repair one when the piece broken is 3 or 4 inches under the Ground? Their job to repair Broken stones, is spelled out in the Law. But they don't do the Actual work. This has to be Delegated to Someone. If you have a letter of Permission signed by the Trustee, you are working on his/her authority to fulfill their Obligation under Present Laws. I would get a Permission Slip from a Cemetery Board, before I started any work at all. Just like with the Trustee, the Board needs the work done but they don't do the Physical work themselves. With written permission under the Law you are carrying out a duly authorized job by the responsible party/ies. These Broken Pieces aren't going to appear on top of the Ground without help. Who better to do the work than you and your experienced group. This my opinion. It is not a Legal opinion, but a Logical one. Anybody disagree, Let me know, We need all of the input we can get. No one else but our group offers an opinion of the correct interpretation of the UN-clarified Laws. I can't afford an attorney at $100 + per hour to guide me. And then it is only their Interpretation of the Law, which may not stand up in court. I read the Law and then try to figure out the Intent myself. Good Luck Katherine! Jack E Briles Sr. Floyd Co.

Go Katherine! When I set up the Tippecanoe County workshop. It was with the Trustee, but he was the owner of that cemetery. He was there that day and involved. So I guess some of you are thinking about this year. Anyone going to set up a day in the northern part? I could use some education for the Northern Boy Scout District. I really didn't want to set one up again, if someone is planning to hold one. Every county coordinator should think about doing one. It's good exposure for your county. L. A. ~ in Tippecanoe.

PLEASE DO NOT FEEL OFFENDED BY THE BIG PRINT FOR I HAVE EYE PROBLEMS...THANKS. HELLO JOHN "WALT" WALTERS--- VERY GLAD TO HEAR YOU ARE WORKING ON THE "FALL CREEK CEMETERY"--4100 MILLERSVILLE ROAD, WASH TWP. MARIOIN COUNTY, IN.--I'M SO HAPPY I AM CRYING!!! I HAVE A LOT OF RELATIVES BURIED IN BOTH "FALL CREEK" AND "EBENEZER LUTHERAN CEMETERY"--- ON THE "INDIANA STATE LIBRARY LISTINGS" CALLS OUT 800+ BURIED (THAT'S INCLUDING BOTH CEMETERIES TOGETHER.) BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT AFTER I MATCHED-UP THIS LISTING TO THE DEATH CERTS I HAVE FOR ALL MY RELATIVES BURIED THERE------THERE SURE IS A LOT OF NAMES NOT CALLED OUT ON THE "INDIANA STATE LIBRARY"-LISTS. THERE IS A LOT OF SUNKEN HEADSTONES IN BOTH GRAVEYARDS. AND THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF VANDLES THROWING HEADSTONES INTO "FALL CREEK" (WATERS). PLEASE DO NOT BE AFRAID OF ME FOR I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU IN REGARDS TO HOW EVERYTHING IS GOING ALONG. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE CONTACTED GWEN AND ASK OF HER TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP BOTH CEMETERIES IN RESTORING THEIR CONDITIONS.......I GUESS FOR THE PAST 2 YEARS.. FEEL FREE TO E-MAIL......LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. I'M FULL OF QUESTIONS: WHEN DID YOU START WORKING IN THE CEMETERY?--- DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HELPING YOU? AND ALOT MORE QUESTIONS ONLY BECAUSE I CARE... AND HAVE THE RESPECT FOR ALL OF OUR LOVED ONES, NOT JUST MINE. PLEASE ANSWER, MARILYNJO EVERETT, WASHINGTON ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walters" <graveyardgroomer@skyenet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FINDING SUNKEN HEADSTONES > Hello list' > I am currently working on Fall Creek Union Cemetery in Washington Twp.,Marion Co. In. this is one of six cemeteries Washington Township Trustee contracted me to restore.I was concerned about probing,recovering,and removing stones when necessary to accomplish restoration.I spoke with the DNR and was advised to have a permission slip from the Township Trustee.I agree with Jack it is always a good thing to get permission.I must also say that I would go to jail with the rest of you if probing for lost and missing History is illegal. > The permission slip I have and carry with me to and from the Cemetery simply states..... > > To Whom It May Concern: > > I give John Walters permission to probe,recover,and remove stones for the purposes of restoration at the following cemeteries: > > Newby Cemetery, 79th & Springmill Rd. > Bacon Cemetery, S/E Corner,Kessler Blvd. & Keystone > DeFord Cemetery, 4700 E.75th St. > Crows Nest Cemetery, Springmill Rd. & Kessler Blvd. > Fall Creek Union Cemetery, 4100 Millersville Rd. > Ebenezer Lutheran Church Cemetery,directly behind Fall Creek Union Cemetery > > Sincerely, > > Gwendolyn, M. Horth > Township Trustee > > > It has her letterhead and signature on it. > I know that these new Cemetery Laws have a lot of loop holes in them and you guys do a terrific job of picking them to death as they should be.But, I spoke with Rep. Mark Lytle at the Madison workshop and he stated to me the intent of these new laws is not to prevent or stop rightful restoration. > > John "Walt" Walters > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jb502000@aol.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:08 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FINDING SUNKEN HEADSTONES > > > > In a message dated 2/7/02 12:49:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > > sianoil@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > Jack: > > > I'm not so sure the trustee has the authority to give you permission to > > > probe if it violates state law, like our attorney says it might. But then > > > who raelly knows? Also, I thought a C.O. has more power than a State Police > > > > > > Officer. That is what I was always told, anyway. Yeah, in short it's a > > > screwed up mess. > > > Jon Andrews > > > > > > Jon, > > When we cleaned the Fowler/Mundy Cemetery in Perry Twp. Marion Co, Saturday > > July 15th 2000 the C.O. was called out to see what was going on. When he > > found out we were working with Jack Sandlin, the Perry Twp Trustee, he talked > > to him for a few minutes and then said no problem and left. > > Jack Briles > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. >

Hello: I am trying to collect information for Tipton County, Indiana where we want to set fallen stones, etc. Are you talking about Madison County, Indiana or somewhere else? I did not know anything about a meeting right next door to us. Please reply, we are open to all suggestions as we intend to start this spring and look over cemeteries to see what needs to be done. Joan Wray Tipton, Indiana joanwray@ccrtc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Loss of cemeteries > > > > > >From: Jb502000@aol.com > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Loss of cemeteries > >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:36:23 EST > > > >In a message dated 2/5/02 9:24:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > >Pride1jw@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > At the Madison cemetery workshop (well attended and well presented), the > > > fact > > > that "dead people don't vote" was an issue raised that tends to put > > > cemetery > > > preservation on the bottom of the list with politicians, > > > > Ruth, > > For 3 years we have been handed the most worthless cemetery laws I have > >ever > >seen. They are not worth Disscussing. You have to see the violation, you > >have > >to turn it in to the Prosecutor, and then you have to try to talk him into > >doing something. I recieved a letter telling me the DNR and DHPA are not > >law > >enforcement agencies. Spotlight a Deer and then tell me that. A > >conservation > >Officer will go out and investigate a cemetery problem when he can, but he > >won't meet you there. I guess they don't want you to influnce his judgement > > You could build a house next to the cemetery before they get back > >with > >you, so that you can contact the prosecutor. Believe me, with 4 murder > >cases > >going on in Floyd County right now, and one an Ex State Trooper you would > >be > >as welcome as the Plague. It would be like throwing Gas on a roaring fire. > >He has his hands full feeding the Johnson Co. Jurors and taking them back > >and > >forth to the Holiday Inn. Our cemeteries are free of Prosecution this year > >no matter what Laws are passed (Laws or LAW) When you get your car stuck > >in > >the mud, you don't just sit and spin your wheels till the tires are gone. > >I for one am ready to quit. > >Good luck to you all ?? > >Jack Briles > >Floyd County > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > > Jack: > They kill people in Floyd County, too? On the issue of law enforcement, the > DNR has an actual law enforcement division which consists of the C. O.'s. I > know you can't get them to do much, although the surface mining division is > finally coming around since they have stiffened the laws a little. Tim > Wright should be commended. But that bunch at the DHPA is a joke. I know of > several complaints that have gone unanswered. > We are still waiting to hear back from "Dr." Jones, five years later. As far > as probing goes, I don't see anything wrong with it, but our attorney says > it violates the law. In fact the DHPA says on their website not to do it, > but like you say who's going to prosecute you. Hey, have you got meth labs > down there, too? That has our court system all tied up. I meant to send you > that tape of Johnson's Island, but got sidetracked. > Jon Andrews > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. > >

Group, I am currently working on setting up a cemetery restoration workshop in Evansville on June 8. The cemetery I want to use is private and governed by a board. If I get permission to probe (and of course repair stones) from the board, do I need to get permission from the township trustee as well? I'm going to check with the DNR about this, but I would appreciate your feedback. Thanks! Katherine Dill

----- Original Message ----- From: <joanwray@ccrtc.com> > Are you talking about Madison County, Indiana or somewhere else? The comment was about the workshop we did in Madison, Jefferson Co., IN on 10/6/2001. Lois

If we don't find them , no one else will. ......and hopefully not to be brought up to be chunked off by careless mowing practices......We are inspired by the beautiful stones , out there lying on the ground......and(maybe under it)..(.After finding 12 spent starter fluit cans in a sack along a county rd....We just might run into a C.O. hunting meth. material in an old cemetery, but probably not.)...We appear to be pioneers working in Pioneer Graveyards. Keep up the work.......Ruth Pride..Knox Co.

John, Is the Newby Cemetery a Quaker Cemetery? ON the probing and Permission slip; You are so right to get that permission slip. When I first started thinking about doing all of this, I was approached by someone who was very protective about probing and I'm sure her concern was to prevent us from finding anything historical. We began in a historic area of our County. It didn't take long before I was showing the group how to poke around for a broken piece we were trying to locate for a child's stone. Well, someone walked up and said "hey what do you thing your doing here" As it turned out, he was joking. But I was very glad I had worked through the lesson above and could explain this to the group working that day. I have told many people, I'm not digging to China. Just fixing the stones. I also don't want to find anything that would creep me out either! So far I'm really enjoying all of this. And I want to keep it that way. L.A. ~ Tippecanoe

Because Indiana Conservation Officers can enforce all state statutes like state police in addition to their federal wildlife and environmental laws, they do actually have more arrest authority than do Indiana State Police... -Kyle

Hello list' I am currently working on Fall Creek Union Cemetery in Washington Twp.,Marion Co. In. this is one of six cemeteries Washington Township Trustee contracted me to restore.I was concerned about probing,recovering,and removing stones when necessary to accomplish restoration.I spoke with the DNR and was advised to have a permission slip from the Township Trustee.I agree with Jack it is always a good thing to get permission.I must also say that I would go to jail with the rest of you if probing for lost and missing History is illegal. The permission slip I have and carry with me to and from the Cemetery simply states..... To Whom It May Concern: I give John Walters permission to probe,recover,and remove stones for the purposes of restoration at the following cemeteries: Newby Cemetery, 79th & Springmill Rd. Bacon Cemetery, S/E Corner,Kessler Blvd. & Keystone DeFord Cemetery, 4700 E.75th St. Crows Nest Cemetery, Springmill Rd. & Kessler Blvd. Fall Creek Union Cemetery, 4100 Millersville Rd. Ebenezer Lutheran Church Cemetery,directly behind Fall Creek Union Cemetery Sincerely, Gwendolyn, M. Horth Township Trustee It has her letterhead and signature on it. I know that these new Cemetery Laws have a lot of loop holes in them and you guys do a terrific job of picking them to death as they should be.But, I spoke with Rep. Mark Lytle at the Madison workshop and he stated to me the intent of these new laws is not to prevent or stop rightful restoration. John "Walt" Walters ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FINDING SUNKEN HEADSTONES > In a message dated 2/7/02 12:49:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > sianoil@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Jack: > > I'm not so sure the trustee has the authority to give you permission to > > probe if it violates state law, like our attorney says it might. But then > > who raelly knows? Also, I thought a C.O. has more power than a State Police > > > > Officer. That is what I was always told, anyway. Yeah, in short it's a > > screwed up mess. > > Jon Andrews > > > > Jon, > When we cleaned the Fowler/Mundy Cemetery in Perry Twp. Marion Co, Saturday > July 15th 2000 the C.O. was called out to see what was going on. When he > found out we were working with Jack Sandlin, the Perry Twp Trustee, he talked > to him for a few minutes and then said no problem and left. > Jack Briles > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > > >

Hello All, I heard yesterday that two cemeteries were dozed out recently in Southwestern Pike county where they are building a railroad spur to a coal mine near Union IN. Has anyone in Pike Co. heard of this or keeping an eye on the construction? Ernie

Jack, At least people there seem to care enough to call a cop when they think something might not be right. In our county, we've always said no one watches the cemeteries and you could kill your wife tonight and take her to any one of them and bury her and no one would be the wiser. I finally got the City of Placerville to pass an ordinance prohibiting entrance to the city's cemeteries after dark. That gave the neighbors a tool to use to call the cops any time someone was in there at night. (Of course, it's a misdemeanor, but if they're vandalizing, it gets kicked up into the Penal Code.) Sue > > > Jon, > When we cleaned the Fowler/Mundy Cemetery in Perry Twp. Marion Co, Saturday > July 15th 2000 the C.O. was called out to see what was going on. When he > found out we were working with Jack Sandlin, the Perry Twp Trustee, he talked > to him for a few minutes and then said no problem and left. > Jack Briles > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > >

In a message dated 2/7/02 12:49:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time, sianoil@hotmail.com writes: > Jack: > I'm not so sure the trustee has the authority to give you permission to > probe if it violates state law, like our attorney says it might. But then > who raelly knows? Also, I thought a C.O. has more power than a State Police > > Officer. That is what I was always told, anyway. Yeah, in short it's a > screwed up mess. > Jon Andrews > > Jon, When we cleaned the Fowler/Mundy Cemetery in Perry Twp. Marion Co, Saturday July 15th 2000 the C.O. was called out to see what was going on. When he found out we were working with Jack Sandlin, the Perry Twp Trustee, he talked to him for a few minutes and then said no problem and left. Jack Briles

In a message dated 2/7/02 12:41:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > My apologies to Jack and the list. I thought I was responding directly to > him. > > Sue Silver > Apoligize for what??? I guess I missed something. I did click send rather than close after your E-mail. About the painting in the cemetery, technically that should fall under Graffiti. But in California ( especially LA) it's art, and you don't prosecute Artists for expressing them selves. Sue the reason no one wants to prosecute anyone anymore is because the accused is back on the street before the paper work is done. They turn their heads so they can't see anything. The problem is not the loose cemetery Laws, it's the loose officials. They are to busy with " REAL CRIME " Jack Briles

In a message dated 2/7/02 12:40:39 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > Jack, > > Was this your comment or is this you're quitting? > > Sue > Sue, I meant to scroll and must have clicked send, Sorry to all. that was a Boo Boo. Jack Briles

I dont get it.....People can vandalize cemeteries and get away with it.People can disturb or move remains and get away with it....but when someone wants to save and restore the precious,usually not replaceable info on a sunken stone by probing they can get arrested. I guess digging around a base to repair a stone would be considered a felony then....I guess I am going to jail for caring about the neglect. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingrant/restproj.htm Mark Davis Mark Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FINDING SUNKEN HEADSTONES > > > > > >From: Jb502000@aol.com > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FINDING SUNKEN HEADSTONES > >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:03:59 EST > > > >In a message dated 2/6/02 12:55:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > >sianoil@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > PROBING CAN BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL. > > > JON ANDREWS > > > > > > > > > Jon, > > A simple Letter signed by the Trustee makes it Legal to probe and recover > >missing pieces of headstones You are working under his Authority. He is > >authorized to do that, but will not do it, Him or Her self. Uncover them, > >photograph them,and make notes, and use a stake with a Large Sharpie with > >waterproof ink to note the name. Don't move them until ready for repairs. > >I > >know you know all of this, but others don't. To be safe get Signed > >Permission !! > >Jack Briles > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > >have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > > Jack: > I'm not so sure the trustee has the authority to give you permission to > probe if it violates state law, like our attorney says it might. But then > who raelly knows? Also, I thought a C.O. has more power than a State Police > Officer. That is what I was always told, anyway. Yeah, in short it's a > screwed up mess. > Jon Andrews > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 1/31/02

>From: Jb502000@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FINDING SUNKEN HEADSTONES >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:03:59 EST > >In a message dated 2/6/02 12:55:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >sianoil@hotmail.com writes: > > > > PROBING CAN BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL. > > JON ANDREWS > > > > > > Jon, > A simple Letter signed by the Trustee makes it Legal to probe and recover >missing pieces of headstones You are working under his Authority. He is >authorized to do that, but will not do it, Him or Her self. Uncover them, >photograph them,and make notes, and use a stake with a Large Sharpie with >waterproof ink to note the name. Don't move them until ready for repairs. >I >know you know all of this, but others don't. To be safe get Signed >Permission !! >Jack Briles > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > Jack: I'm not so sure the trustee has the authority to give you permission to probe if it violates state law, like our attorney says it might. But then who raelly knows? Also, I thought a C.O. has more power than a State Police Officer. That is what I was always told, anyway. Yeah, in short it's a screwed up mess. Jon Andrews _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

>From: Jb502000@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Loss of cemeteries >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:36:23 EST > >In a message dated 2/5/02 9:24:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >Pride1jw@aol.com writes: > > > > At the Madison cemetery workshop (well attended and well presented), the > > fact > > that "dead people don't vote" was an issue raised that tends to put > > cemetery > > preservation on the bottom of the list with politicians, > > Ruth, > For 3 years we have been handed the most worthless cemetery laws I have >ever >seen. They are not worth Disscussing. You have to see the violation, you >have >to turn it in to the Prosecutor, and then you have to try to talk him into >doing something. I recieved a letter telling me the DNR and DHPA are not >law >enforcement agencies. Spotlight a Deer and then tell me that. A >conservation >Officer will go out and investigate a cemetery problem when he can, but he >won't meet you there. I guess they don't want you to influnce his judgement > You could build a house next to the cemetery before they get back >with >you, so that you can contact the prosecutor. Believe me, with 4 murder >cases >going on in Floyd County right now, and one an Ex State Trooper you would >be >as welcome as the Plague. It would be like throwing Gas on a roaring fire. >He has his hands full feeding the Johnson Co. Jurors and taking them back >and >forth to the Holiday Inn. Our cemeteries are free of Prosecution this year >no matter what Laws are passed (Laws or LAW) When you get your car stuck >in >the mud, you don't just sit and spin your wheels till the tires are gone. >I for one am ready to quit. >Good luck to you all ?? >Jack Briles >Floyd County > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > Jack: They kill people in Floyd County, too? On the issue of law enforcement, the DNR has an actual law enforcement division which consists of the C. O.'s. I know you can't get them to do much, although the surface mining division is finally coming around since they have stiffened the laws a little. Tim Wright should be commended. But that bunch at the DHPA is a joke. I know of several complaints that have gone unanswered. We are still waiting to hear back from "Dr." Jones, five years later. As far as probing goes, I don't see anything wrong with it, but our attorney says it violates the law. In fact the DHPA says on their website not to do it, but like you say who's going to prosecute you. Hey, have you got meth labs down there, too? That has our court system all tied up. I meant to send you that tape of Johnson's Island, but got sidetracked. Jon Andrews _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Mark, You'll have plenty of company....we don't have such a law in California but if we did, I'd be going to jail too. Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark davis" <md9105@skyenet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FINDING SUNKEN HEADSTONES > I dont get it.....People can vandalize cemeteries and get away with > it.People can disturb or move remains and get away with it....but when > someone wants to save and restore the precious,usually not replaceable info > on a sunken stone by probing they can get arrested. I guess digging around a > base to repair a stone would be considered a felony then....I guess I am > going to jail for caring about the neglect. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingrant/restproj.htm > > Mark Davis > > > Mark Davis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FINDING SUNKEN HEADSTONES > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Jb502000@aol.com > > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FINDING SUNKEN HEADSTONES > > >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:03:59 EST > > > > > >In a message dated 2/6/02 12:55:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > > >sianoil@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > PROBING CAN BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL. > > > > JON ANDREWS > > > > > > > > > > > > Jon, > > > A simple Letter signed by the Trustee makes it Legal to probe and > recover > > >missing pieces of headstones You are working under his Authority. He is > > >authorized to do that, but will not do it, Him or Her self. Uncover > them, > > >photograph them,and make notes, and use a stake with a Large Sharpie with > > >waterproof ink to note the name. Don't move them until ready for > repairs. > > >I > > >know you know all of this, but others don't. To be safe get Signed > > >Permission !! > > >Jack Briles > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > > >have." > > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > > > > > > Jack: > > I'm not so sure the trustee has the authority to give you permission to > > probe if it violates state law, like our attorney says it might. But then > > who raelly knows? Also, I thought a C.O. has more power than a State > Police > > Officer. That is what I was always told, anyway. Yeah, in short it's a > > screwed up mess. > > Jon Andrews > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 1/31/02 > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >