Jack, Right once again. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Indignities and Laws > In a message dated 2/21/02 10:03:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > BECKWITH@surf-ici.com writes: > > > > Well, is there no law that we are not to harm one another? Why > > is it that we need such specific laws to govern the idiots who can think > > up more and more ways to hurt others? Are there no good general laws to > > cover the acts that these people do? > > > > > > > > Are you aware of how many Laws we have on the Books that no one can even > remember. Our problem is they are not enforced. The Legislature goes to work > every session and passes new overlapping laws. They could spend 2 years > removing useless laws and there would still be a law against everything. > Apparently the state of Georgia has not put their law clerks to work looking > for a clause, no matter how minuscule the law, they could come up with a > prosecutable offense for the Owners of the Crematorium that would put them > away. > Somewhere there is a Technicality that could be used. But even if > they go to jail the mental damage they have done to the families could never > be rectified. The families must live with these horrible indignities that > their deceased are being put thru, for the rest of their lives. Not only did > they have to suffer the deaths of their loved ones, the deceased, and the > living are now going thru one of the most undignified situations that man can > do to his fellow man. There is NO justification for what has been done, > except GREED. When Laws are passed they must not be for looks, they must > have meaning. And this List understands that. > > Jack Briles > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >

Hi, I meant to send this to the list, but didn't hit Reply All... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> To: <BECKWITH@surf-ici.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists or Cremation > This is the kind of outrage that we all need to feel - about a lot of > things. What's happening in Georgia is or has or will happen elsewhere, > perhaps not on such a large scale. > > There are 10 acres in Amador County, CA that the state has under > conservatorship because some clown dumped and co-mingled thousands of > cremated remains. The entire ten acres was determined to be a cemetery. > The state offered the county of Amador $100,000 as a start up endowment fund > if the County would accept the property. Apparently Amador County would > rather keep using their old historic cemeteries than open a new one. They > turned the state down. > > I'm really into historic cemeteries and their preservation. But along the > way I got wise to what was happening in the mortuary and cemetery > industries. Just search the newspaper archives throughout the country. > Look for SCI and Loewen corporations. Look what happened in Florida in > December. I've done this. It's going on everywhere. > > And we call ourselves civilized? > > Sue > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Beckwith" <BECKWITH@surf-ici.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists or Cremation > > > > It just amazes me, that they could find no law which was broken in > > Georgia. Is there no law on the books which says that we should respect > > one another, living or dead? I heard last week I heard, here in Indiana > > they want to make it a law that one cannot throw burning objects out of > > a moving vehicle. The purpose is to prevent people from throwing lit > > cigarette butts out, where they could fly into anothers car and burn > > someone. Well, is there no law that we are not to harm one another? Why > > is it that we need such specific laws to govern the idiots who can think > > up more and more ways to hurt others? Are there no good general laws to > > cover the acts that these people do? > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > > >

Lois I hope you received last night's article of our cemetery petition with the commissioners. tonight there was an editorial about our cemetery cause, but they only stay one day http://www.heraldargus.com/content/story.php?storyid=458 and we had Russell Hapke.........our local archealogist in our plea to the commissioners. Archealogists do come in handy. Russ was at our workshop we co sponsored with the Indiana Historical society last summer. He has been an asset to our group. Read the editorial.....thanks Russ for being one of our speakers with Scott Harris, pres of Patton cemetery association, and local monument dealer. We did a terrific job..........Thanks everyone who signed the petition........and the citizens of our county, Gloria Arndt, secretary of LPPCC and Patricia Harris, member of our LPPCC group. THANKS HOLLY JENKS PRES. LaPorte Co Pioneer Cemetery Commission

I just talked with an investigator here in California and he said Georgia has already called to see how California is regulating these industries. It's a start, but my opinion is that California is far from having a truly regulated industry. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists or Cremation > And similar problems in Georgia in 2001. I wonder how many more there are out > there waiting to be discovered > > Jack > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >

And similar problems in Georgia in 2001. I wonder how many more there are out there waiting to be discovered Jack

In a message dated 2/21/02 11:02:45 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > Jack, > > That was in 1996, I think. It was FIVE THOUSANDS sets of cremated remains. > The guy ultimately committed suicide over it. The families got together > and > sued the mortuaries over it and the funeral industry got together and > pooled > funds to make the settlement payment. > > Sue, The one I was talking about was down in Sagus. I was working down there in Canyon Country on Block Privacy walls for 125 houses. My wife and I stopped by while the investigation was going on. I came back to Indiana in April 1993. There may have been one in 1996. But I was to busy here to keep up on the news, but it Damn well wouldn't surprise me. When the other one happened the officials said there was no telling how many other cases like that might exist because at that time there was about 27 million living in California, and no doubt with the money involved it probably could be wide spread. But 5,000 , Wow, The going rate for scattering over the ocean or desert, which is what everyone wanted in 88, was roughly $200. In 96 it could have been way up. When there is money involved and it concerns the dead, anything is believable. Most think, Hell they wont know the Difference. Some familles have relatives cremated to save a $10,000 funeral expense, . Jack Briles

See, history does repeat itsself....1988 to 1996, and they acted surprised that it happened in '96! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists or Cremation > > > Sue, > The one I was talking about was down in Sagus. I was working down > there in Canyon Country on Block Privacy walls for 125 houses. My wife and I > stopped by while the investigation was going on. I came back to Indiana in > April 1993. There may have been one in 1996. But I was to busy here to keep > up on the news, but it Damn well wouldn't surprise me.

Ok, time for a joke. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >PICKING PECANS >On the outskirts of town, there was a big old pecan tree by the cemetery fence. >One day two boys filled up a bucketful of nuts and sat down by the tree, >out of sight. "One for you, one for me. One for you, one for me," >said one boy. Several were dropped and rolled down toward the fence. >Another boy came riding along the road on his bicycle. As he passed, >he thought he heard voices from inside the cemetery. He slowed down >to investigate. Sure enough, he heard, "One for you, one for me. >One for you, one for me." He just knew what it was. >"Oh my," he shuddered, it's Satan and the Lord dividing the souls at the >cemetery. He jumped back on his bike and rode off. Just around the bend he >met an old man with a cane, >hobbling along. "Come here quick," >said the boy, "you won't believe what I heard. Satan and the Lord are down at >the cemetery dividing up the souls." The man said, "Beat it, kid, can't you >see it's hard for me to walk." When the boy insisted, though, the man hobbled to the >cemetery. Standing by the fence they heard, "One for you, one for me. >One for you, one for me." The old man whispered, "Boy, you've been >tellin' the truth. Let's see if we can see the devil himself." Shaking with fear, >they peered through the fence, yet were still unable to see anything. > The old man and the boy gripped the wrought iron bars of the fence tighter >and tighter as they tried to get a glimpse of >Satan. At last they heard, "One for you, one for me. And one last one for >you. That's all. Now let's go get those nuts by the fence, and we'll be done." >They say the old guy made it back to town 5 minutes before the boy.....

Jack, That was in 1996, I think. It was FIVE THOUSANDS sets of cremated remains. The guy ultimately committed suicide over it. The families got together and sued the mortuaries over it and the funeral industry got together and pooled funds to make the settlement payment. Just like in Georgia, the STATE did relatively little in this case. That Georgia guys attorney has told the county officials they have no right to search the premises because there is no Georgia law that has been broken! Apparently the funeral industry there got strong enough to repeal any laws that might stop them from doing whatever they want. In 2000, our state shut down a cemetery in Los Angeles (WOODLAWN CEMETERY) because they had been burying over and burying over old graves long enough that there were bones on the surface of the ground! Why does it take something this monsterous to make people realize this industry is OUT OF CONTROL!! Jessica Mittford knew it back in 1965. Just another lesson in history to learn. Wish they'd (the authorities) learn it soon. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists and cemetery preservation > In a message dated 2/20/02 8:51:22 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > richkmball@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Jack, > > Hope you're not contracted with the crematory in Georgia. > > Rich > > > > > No, I would have somewone make sure this didn' happen. This same thing > happened in California around 1988. The individual was paid to fly out over > the ocean, or in the dessert, or in the mountains and scatter the ashes from > several thousand feet. The Law found around 500 urns with ashes in a Storage > building that the fee was not paid on. When the owner of the Bldg. opened it > for Auction, 500 urns at $200 each not scattered, were found, thats good > money. Those Type People bear watching. Although the scattering of your > ashes is no more guaranteed than keeping a cemetery in proper condition. It's > all about Money The Pilot said he was short on operating money. Where did > all of the money paid him go. Like in Georgia, the Furnace wasn't working. > Why not ? they were paid. Crooks!!! > Jack > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >

Anyone who thinkgs the mortuaries using his services didn't know something was amiss, is wrong. In most instances, the crematory returns the ashes in a plastic bag and a cardboard box. The mortuary, who sells the families those expensive urns, packages the ashes in the urns. Now a layman may not know the differences between stove ashes or pulverized concrete, the a mortician does. They were all complicit in one way or another. Don't let anyone tell you different. Sue Silver CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kimball" <richkmball@hotmail.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists and cemetery preservation > Jack, > Hope you're not contracted with the crematory in Georgia. > Rich > > >From: Jb502000@aol.com > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists and cemetery preservation > >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:44:40 EST > > > >In a message dated 2/17/02 11:40:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > >andimac@oz.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > It is my opinion that archeologists are interested in burials in a > > > historical sense but are not interested in current cemetery > >preservation. > > > One is in the past, the other is current. I might call an archeologist > >if > > > I > > > needed to know if there is a historical Native American burial, but I > >would > > > not call an archeologist to conserve a stone. > > > > > > -------------- > > > Andrea D. MacDonald "Andi" > > > andimac@oz.net > > > > > > > > Andi, > > you said exactly what I feel about the Ancient Native Americans and what > >I > >call modern man, from the last 200 odd years. My question is WHY are they > >different. > >And If you can't disturb a "Modern Burial " site, how can you dig up a > >Native > >American and Cart them off for studies. Study WHAT. They died and were > >buried. No one should be able to remove anything buried in a grave site, > >just > >to find out WHAT ? When a Burial Site is Discovered, LET IT BE. For 68 > >years > >I have heard that a Burial Site is Hallowed Ground. Why can't people honor > >that and work around them. I;m sorry I won't be around when these Large > >Beautiful cemeteries run out of money, or ground and Grow up with Brush. > > It will happen, not today, not tomorrow but maybe a Hundred > >years from now just like the small ones we worry about now. They never > >dreamed anything would happen to them either. My wife and I are going to > >be > >Creamated. No one will ever have to worry about us. And $5,000 dollar > >stones > >wont have to be bulldozed when the area we will be scattered at is graded > >off. And they can put in a Airport, Factory, House, etc, etc. WE WONT CARE. > >Thanks for the story Andi, I for one understand that you make sense > >Jack E. Briles Sr. > >jb502000@aol.com > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of > >England > >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > > to high ideals." > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

In a message dated 2/20/02 8:51:22 PM US Eastern Standard Time, richkmball@hotmail.com writes: > Jack, > Hope you're not contracted with the crematory in Georgia. > Rich > > No, I would have somewone make sure this didn' happen. This same thing happened in California around 1988. The individual was paid to fly out over the ocean, or in the dessert, or in the mountains and scatter the ashes from several thousand feet. The Law found around 500 urns with ashes in a Storage building that the fee was not paid on. When the owner of the Bldg. opened it for Auction, 500 urns at $200 each not scattered, were found, thats good money. Those Type People bear watching. Although the scattering of your ashes is no more guaranteed than keeping a cemetery in proper condition. It's all about Money The Pilot said he was short on operating money. Where did all of the money paid him go. Like in Georgia, the Furnace wasn't working. Why not ? they were paid. Crooks!!! Jack

Dear Dale: I certainly can understand your frustration. Sorry if I touched on a raw nerve! :-) I get messages from people almost every day saying, "What are you going to do about Such-and-So Cemetery? It's in TERRIBLE shape! . . . " Nine times out of ten, when I ferret out the details, the site is mowed on a regular basis (though not as often as the average golf course) and some of the old stones are broken. Well, this is the true for at least 75% of the pioneer cemeteries in the State. Then, when I get the basic facts out of them, I write back and tell them how to get Marlene Mattox's terrific article on researching cemetery ownership to determine the TAX STATUS of the cemetery property. I suggest to them that, assuming taxes are NOT paid on the property, they need to contact the appropriate Township Trustee to see how they can work TOGETHER to clean up the cemetery. 99% of the time, I never hear from these people again. It's amazing how, when you try to help them get started on finding a solution themselves, they have a lot of reasons why THEY can't do anything about it. They want ME to somehow take on responsibility for the maintenance and upkeep of THEIR cemetery at the other end of the state. And, Dale, I understand too, how disheartening it is to work yourself to death cleaning up and restoring an old cemetery that hasn't been touched in decades. We worked with the inmates from the Clark Co. Jail to clean up a deeded cemetery here, probed for hours for stones in the cemetery (never found a single stone) and advised the church to which the cemetery had been deeded in the 1890s that, though there were no visible stones, we were convinced that there were numerous burials here and gave them what historical information we had been able to uncover. (This church, BTW, has a huge endowment that generates more-than-sufficient funds to care for the large cemetery adjacent to their church as well as this remote site.) The site has been ignored since it was cleared and grew back up completely. Then, last year, the Church petitioned the court for a disinterment order (granted the same day) to relocate these unknown burials so they could sell the property to a developer. (Can you spell: $$$ ?) I haven't spoken to anyone from that church since then! I don't know if I could keep a civil tongue in my head if I have to deal with them again. BUT, Dale, on the other hand, there is a LOT of reward that comes from projects that turn out well. We spent over a year restoring a cemetery adjacent to I-265, working with a variety of civic groups, inmate labor, community service workers, an Eagle Scout, etc. The Township Trustee is genuinely interested in doing the right thing. He built a plank fence around the entire perimeter of this large site. The Sheriff's Office sends an inmate crew in there on a semi-regular basis to weedwhip it. I get a lot of comments from people remarking how nice the cemetery looks. (Unfortunately, a developer was able to get away with disturbing the soil to within 6" of the fence. But if that fence hadn't been there, I imagine the disturbance would have encroached on the cemetery itself.) We've nagged the "powers that be" for about 4 years about another site in the same county, a terribly vandalized cemetery surrounded by woods and ravines and subdivisions. This past year, the site was cleared of dozens of huge dead trees, vandalized graves that had been open for 30 years were filled and leveled and the stones have all been repaired. A ground-level tablet has been carved and installed listing the names of all the known dead buried there. It will soon be (if not already) fenced on all four sides and the Township Trustee is committed to taking care of the site. Yes, there are a lot of discouraging things that happen, but the good SOMETIMES outweighs the bad. Yes, I often want to say, "Oh, just forget about it. Nobody ELSE seems to care!" Sometimes we can't do all that we want to do. But we have to keep the faith and do what we are able. That's all we CAN do. Lois

Jack, Hope you're not contracted with the crematory in Georgia. Rich >From: Jb502000@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists and cemetery preservation >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:44:40 EST > >In a message dated 2/17/02 11:40:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >andimac@oz.net writes: > > > > > > It is my opinion that archeologists are interested in burials in a > > historical sense but are not interested in current cemetery >preservation. > > One is in the past, the other is current. I might call an archeologist >if > > I > > needed to know if there is a historical Native American burial, but I >would > > not call an archeologist to conserve a stone. > > > > -------------- > > Andrea D. MacDonald "Andi" > > andimac@oz.net > > > > > Andi, > you said exactly what I feel about the Ancient Native Americans and what >I >call modern man, from the last 200 odd years. My question is WHY are they >different. >And If you can't disturb a "Modern Burial " site, how can you dig up a >Native >American and Cart them off for studies. Study WHAT. They died and were >buried. No one should be able to remove anything buried in a grave site, >just >to find out WHAT ? When a Burial Site is Discovered, LET IT BE. For 68 >years >I have heard that a Burial Site is Hallowed Ground. Why can't people honor >that and work around them. I;m sorry I won't be around when these Large >Beautiful cemeteries run out of money, or ground and Grow up with Brush. > It will happen, not today, not tomorrow but maybe a Hundred >years from now just like the small ones we worry about now. They never >dreamed anything would happen to them either. My wife and I are going to >be >Creamated. No one will ever have to worry about us. And $5,000 dollar >stones >wont have to be bulldozed when the area we will be scattered at is graded >off. And they can put in a Airport, Factory, House, etc, etc. WE WONT CARE. >Thanks for the story Andi, I for one understand that you make sense >Jack E. Briles Sr. >jb502000@aol.com > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of >England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

To all at INPCRP: Jack has been in contact with me repeatedly about this cemetery. It is Stockwell/Hammans, and it is indeed in terrible shape. However, it is also on private property, and as I've explained to Jack, the trustee is not obligated to clean it up. We've passed along the property owner's address and phone number to Jack so that permission can be granted to work on it, and if that happens, we'll work with Jack to find some willing bodies to remove the large trees which have smashed most of the stones. We, too, would like to see this cemetery cleaned up. If I sound a bit frustrated, it's because Jack has contacted everyone in the continental US about this cemetery except the person who needs to grant permission: the property owner. I've received calls from our county commissioners, the recorder, other Stockwell/Hammans descendants ... you get the idea. We (our small, 4-person, full-time-employed committee) try to clean up a cemetery or two each year. We choose a cemetery based on its visibility (shameless advertising), its condition (something we can manage), whether it's publicly owned or private (if it's public we can get brawny Community Corrections folks to help), and whether there's a remote possibility that if it's cleaned by us once, someone else will maintain it once or twice a year. We worked very hard on one public cemetery here, Thompson Cemetery in Green Township, with the trustee's support, and he swore he would maintain it once we cleared it out. We recruited the VFW and American Legion and we had a fantastic group of chainsaw-wielding tornados - we cleared a small mountain of trees, brush and honeysuckle vines that day. We even had a volunteer bulldozer operator, which concerned us greatly, since we weren't sure where the outside perimeters of the cemetery were. The point: the cemetery looked terrific when we were done, and stayed that way for ... six months. Now it's completely overgrown with honeysuckle vines again. The trustee didn't follow through, and we just can't go back year after year to one cemetery. We have 167 cemeteries in this county, and most would qualify for the Hall of Shame. I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, but sometimes the frustration just gets to me. (Jack Briles, you understand perfectly!) Too much to do and too few workers. We'd love to do Stockwell/Hammans for Memorial Day. We'll keep you posted on progress to get permission from the property owner. But I've sent Jack the IC code web page explaining the trustee's responsibilities, so no one here need do that. And if someone can pass this along to savinggraves.com, I'd appreciate it. Dale Drake Morgan County History & Genealogy Assn Cemetery Committee Lois Mauk wrote: > Bill Spurlock and I are both having trouble posting to Rootsweb groups. > There is apparently a problem with at least one of Rootsweb's mail servers > today. We're trying this AGAIN. > > Anybody know anything about this Morgan Co. cemetery that was reported to > Bill at www.SavingGraves.com ? > > Lois > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CHamm47010@aol.com [mailto:CHamm47010@aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:05 PM > > To: wspurlock@savinggraves.com > > Subject: Clean up of old cemetery > > > > > > There is an old cemetery located just outside of Martinsville,IN. > > This cemetery is in such bad shape that if one didn't know the > > location, you would not be able to find it. The location is: > > Section 26 Township 12N Range 1E in Washington Township > > Morgan County, Indiana. There are 19 people buried here. > > Can you give me some advice on how to go about getting this > > cemetery cleaned up and restored to a respectful condition? > > Who should I contact? Who should pay for the clean up? > > Would it be the Trustee of Washington Township, Morgan > > County, Indiana? > > Any help you can give me would be much appreciated. > > Thank you very much. > > > > C.Jack Hammons > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.

The only additional information I have is that a listing of the tombstones is available at the Morgan County Public Library in Martinsville. As far as who to contact, I would suggest the Cemetery Committee of the Morgan County History and Genealogy Association: Dale Coffey ~ jillcoffey@scican.net Jill Coffey ~ jillcoffey@scican.net Dale Drake ~ ddrake@iupui.edu Helen Wildermuth ~ helen@reliable-net.net Anita Zike ~ anita@juno.com Dale Coffey is also presently the President of the Morgan County History and Genealogy Association. Sam Cline Hoosier History & Genealogy http://www.hoosierweb.org/ The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores. The latch string is always out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@insightbb.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: [INPCRP] Morgan Co., IN cemetery | Bill Spurlock and I are both having trouble posting to Rootsweb groups. | There is apparently a problem with at least one of Rootsweb's mail servers | today. We're trying this AGAIN. | | Anybody know anything about this Morgan Co. cemetery that was reported to | Bill at www.SavingGraves.com ? | | Lois | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: CHamm47010@aol.com [mailto:CHamm47010@aol.com] | > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:05 PM | > To: wspurlock@savinggraves.com | > Subject: Clean up of old cemetery | > | > | > There is an old cemetery located just outside of Martinsville,IN. | > This cemetery is in such bad shape that if one didn't know the | > location, you would not be able to find it. The location is: | > Section 26 Township 12N Range 1E in Washington Township | > Morgan County, Indiana. There are 19 people buried here. | > Can you give me some advice on how to go about getting this | > cemetery cleaned up and restored to a respectful condition? | > Who should I contact? Who should pay for the clean up? | > Would it be the Trustee of Washington Township, Morgan | > County, Indiana? | > Any help you can give me would be much appreciated. | > Thank you very much. | > | > C.Jack Hammons | | | | | ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== | Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. | |

Bill Spurlock and I are both having trouble posting to Rootsweb groups. There is apparently a problem with at least one of Rootsweb's mail servers today. We're trying this AGAIN. Anybody know anything about this Morgan Co. cemetery that was reported to Bill at www.SavingGraves.com ? Lois > -----Original Message----- > From: CHamm47010@aol.com [mailto:CHamm47010@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:05 PM > To: wspurlock@savinggraves.com > Subject: Clean up of old cemetery > > > There is an old cemetery located just outside of Martinsville,IN. > This cemetery is in such bad shape that if one didn't know the > location, you would not be able to find it. The location is: > Section 26 Township 12N Range 1E in Washington Township > Morgan County, Indiana. There are 19 people buried here. > Can you give me some advice on how to go about getting this > cemetery cleaned up and restored to a respectful condition? > Who should I contact? Who should pay for the clean up? > Would it be the Trustee of Washington Township, Morgan > County, Indiana? > Any help you can give me would be much appreciated. > Thank you very much. > > C.Jack Hammons

Hello All, I have a copy of the article, it is very interesting and well written. There is some very good information on the different styles, artwork and engraving, and also some history on how the stone was formed. I think the use of these stones was more widespread than the article shows. The map on p. 34 shows only 2 cemeteries in Gibson county containing these stones where our cemetery research shows at least 50 of our cemeteries contain one or more. Those that were at our seminar will remember that there were at least 12 of these stones in Warnock cemetery. Ernie At 12:48 PM 02/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Well, I'll go home tonight and look for the article. >It would be nice to have a section on our INPCRP page that >has pictures of all the different types of stones that are used. >Maybe Lois can wedge in another page. Please! > >This is one of the areas I think we should learn first. Understanding the >types of stone used and matching colors to make a good repair is important. > >Ok Jeannie, Hindostan Whetstone, where dose it say it is mined from? > >L. A. Clugh~Tippecanoe > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.

I believe it came from around Orange Co In. Jack

Well, I'll go home tonight and look for the article. It would be nice to have a section on our INPCRP page that has pictures of all the different types of stones that are used. Maybe Lois can wedge in another page. Please! This is one of the areas I think we should learn first. Understanding the types of stone used and matching colors to make a good repair is important. Ok Jeannie, Hindostan Whetstone, where dose it say it is mined from? L. A. Clugh~Tippecanoe

I received today my copy of "Traces," the magazine put out by the Indiana Historical Society. There is an article about Hindostan Whetstone Gravestones in it by Richard Powell and Erik Kvale. Your local library may have a copy or you can order a copy by going to http://www.indianahistory.org/pub/traces/back.html. There is a place here on ordering copies of the journal. Jeannie Regan-Dinius Cemetery Registry Coordinator Department of Natural Resources Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology 317/232-1646 317/232-0693 (fax) 402 W. Washington Street RM W274 Indianapolis, IN 46204