Hi Kyle, The family was in Hendricks County. Included William T. Snodgrass who is said to have died in Kansas. His father, they say (my new found family) was Benjamin Snodgrass. William T. was my gg-grandfather and I never knew his name until today! He was born in Hendricks county about November of 1831. So tell me, just what is a Hoosier? With all the weight I've gained with menopause, it better not be a pig! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <KidClerk@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Fw: I told you so...SNODGRASS/ARNER > Sue: > > I missed the original post on the Snodgrass family. We have that name in > this part of Indiana as well..about 75 miles south of Chicago. Let me know > if I can help. > > -Kyle > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > >

Sue, The Hendricks Co. cemeteries are on-line here: http://history.plainfield.lib.in.us/Cemeteries/CemeIndex.htm Or go to the search page here & enter the surname Snodgrass: http://history.plainfield.lib.in.us/Database/cemeteries.asp Looks like most are in Spring Hill & Maple Hill cemeteries, and a few others. Ernie At 11:58 AM 02/26/2002 -0800, you wrote >Now, is anyone on line from Hendricks County and are my families graves >still safe? > >Sue Silver >Hoosier blood in California - Yeah!

You know, Brian. Sometimes it's hard for me to ask. But I feel like I know everyone on the list and they know me. When I found out she was born in Indiana, I said "Well, guess I'll ask the gang!" Having a very good day today.... Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Smead" <bsmead@gte.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Snodgrass > Sue, > It's amazing what happens when you ask, isn't it? Hoosier Hospitality in > action. That's why I retired to Indiana instead of going back to > California, where I was born and raised. > Brian E. Smead > Terre Haute, Indiana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Snodgrass > > > > God bless you. She's THERE! > > > > Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "CLUGH_LA" <clugh_la@email.msn.com> > > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Snodgrass > > > > > > > Sue it's not a dream. Hear you go. > > > > > > http://genforum.genealogy.com/snodgrass/ > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.snodgrass > > > > > > http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi > > > > > > L. A. Clugh > > > Tippecanoe Co. Cemetery Restoration Committee Coordinator > > > Visit our cemetery list at: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to > > LoisMauk@usa.net. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Please do not send queries through this list. > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >

Thanks, Ernie. Found some of them there. This feels so funny. I've been tracking down everyone else's family who came out for the Gold Rush and I just stumbled onto this less than 24 hours ago. There's a family reunion on my g-grandmother's husband's family in Pennsylvania this summer! All this in less than 24 hours. I'm just blown away! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <elasley@sigecom.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Fw: I told you so...SNODGRASS/ARNER > Sue, > > The Hendricks Co. cemeteries are on-line here: > > http://history.plainfield.lib.in.us/Cemeteries/CemeIndex.htm > > Or go to the search page here & enter the surname Snodgrass: > > http://history.plainfield.lib.in.us/Database/cemeteries.asp > > Looks like most are in Spring Hill & Maple Hill cemeteries, and a few others. > > Ernie > > > At 11:58 AM 02/26/2002 -0800, you wrote > >Now, is anyone on line from Hendricks County and are my families graves > >still safe? > > > >Sue Silver > >Hoosier blood in California - Yeah! > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > >

In a message dated 2/26/02 11:18:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > From: "Samuel M. Cline" <scline@hoosierweb.org> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:02 AM > Subject: [INPCRP] Indianapolis Star, Feb. 25, 2001, Section A, page 1. > > > > http://www.indystar.com/article.php?mounds25.html > Sam, The one thing in the article that really upsets me is that Native Americans say their Burial Grounds are MORE than just cemeteries, they are SACRED GROUND, I have never walked into any CEMETERY that I didn't feel like I was on SACRED GROUND. WHO decides the difference in Burial Sites. The length of time makes no difference what so ever. My Ancestors Burial Site is just as SACRED to me and my family, as the Native American Sites are to them. And rightly should be. Since they have Ancient Tools and other Items, I suppose The DHPA makes the Distinction. Archaeologists are not concerned in our Burial Sites (Cemeteries) because there are no Artifacts to Collect. Don't get me wrong put the Landfill in a Large cemetery in the County. I'll bet that wouldn't happen, so why should this. I don't care who likes my opinion, I don't like being treated Second class. And the Native Americans are not the ones to blame.! Jack E. Briles Sr. Po. Box 444 New Albany, Floyd Co. In. 47151-0444 (812)282-6585

In a message dated 2/26/02 11:31:36 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > Sue Silver > a new Hoosier! > > > Sue, Welcome to the Great State of Indiana where we are Fanatics over two things Cemeteries and BASKETBALL. Glad to welcome you Jack

Hello L.A. Clough, I am BIG TIME Hoosier all the way to 1831 or before! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! You ought to see the message I sent to Joseph Erner. I hope he gets it, because he'll think he's dreaming too! Now, is anyone on line from Hendricks County and are my families graves still safe? Sue Silver Hoosier blood in California - Yeah! ***************************************************************** Elvira Snodgrass, b. ca. 1857 in Indiana Posted by: Joseph Erner Date: June 04, 2001 at 12:32:48 of 1693 I'm researching the following Arner family, and I've hit a dead end. If anybody can help me with this family, especially with info about when and where James or Elvira died, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Joe. JAMES ARNER, born about 1858 in Pennsylvania (or Indiana?); married 22 April 1878 in Platte County, Missouri (FHL film #988414) to ELVIRA ELLEN SNODGRASS who was born about 1857 in Hendricks County, Indiana. [Elvira was the daughter of WILLIAM T. SNODGRASS (son of Benjamin Snodgrass and Margaret Herrin), born about November 1831 in Hendricks County, Indiana; married 23 February 1854 in Hendricks County (Book 4, page 426) to MARGARET SNODGRASS (daughter of Nathan Snodgrass and Hannah Herrin, and a cousin of William) who was born about 1833 in Hendricks County and died about 06 March 1870 in Kansas. 1850 Census: Benjamin Snodgrass, page 138, visit 817/827, Center, Hendricks, Indiana. 1860 Census: William Snodgrass, page 520, visit 298/300, Center, Hendricks, Indiana. 1870 Census: W. Snodgrass, page 007, visit 056/056, Reeder, Anderson, Kansas. 1880 Census: Wm Snodgrass, page 406, visit 042/045, Neosho, Coffey, Kansas. 1880 Census: James Arner, page 406, visit 043/046, Neosho, Coffey, Kansas. Known children, born in Kansas: DORA ARNER, born about August 1879. JAMES F. ARNER, born 12 May 1888; died 03 November 1966 at Burbank, Los Angeles, California. 1900 Census: James Arner (with uncle J.[James] F.[Franklin] Snodgrass), page 109, visit 170/170, Dexter, Cowley, Kansas. Followups: No followups yet

Jack, Once again I agree with you. We have the same problem here and it is not the fault of our Native American citizens. It is the government who "devised" the public resources codes to appease the Native Americans in their contesting of the destruction of their sites. California law says you shall not desecrate or obliterate a cemetery. Public Resources Code says Native Americans will be notified if their "burial grounds" are discovered and they can 1) cap it over with gunnite or 2) relocate the remains (cremated or otherwise) out of harms way. California law defines a cemetery as any place where the remains of six or more human beings are buried. They don't discriminate as to full skeletal remains or cremated remains. Therefore, the Native American "burial grounds", Cry or Crematory sites, or cemeteries, should also be protected from desecration or obliteration. We keep trying to tell the Native American descendants they have invoke that it is a CEMETERY. There is just no legal discrimination provided in the language of the law. (However, they are coming out with new "definitions" for terms every year and I'll bet by the time the cemetery industry is done with it, even our cemeteries won't be cemeteries by their definitions!) Our county Cultural Resources Preservation Commission just finished tours (given by my organization) of all the "Uncared For" (that's the county's term) historic cemeteries. They used "Native Americans" and "non-Native Americans" to cite the "type" of cemeteries they surveyed. And, yes, just like Jack, all of a sudden I felt like a second class citizen. And it's funny to feel that way, when I have never in my life viewed anyone as anything other than 1) a person and 2) a human being. In fact, on the last census I listed my race as "Human Race". (Next time it will be "Finished Last"! hee-hee) We have to quit letting the government categorize these places like this. Cemeteries, no matter whose they are, are all deserving of the same level of respect and protection. This should be a priority for us all. United we stand, folks. Divided we'll fall. Never truer. Sue Silver California ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Indianapolis Star, Feb. 25, 2001, Section A, page 1. > In a message dated 2/26/02 11:18:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time, > ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > > > > From: "Samuel M. Cline" <scline@hoosierweb.org> > > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:02 AM > > Subject: [INPCRP] Indianapolis Star, Feb. 25, 2001, Section A, page 1. > > > > > > > http://www.indystar.com/article.php?mounds25.html > > > > Sam, The one thing in the article that really upsets me is that Native > Americans say their Burial Grounds are MORE than just cemeteries, they are > SACRED GROUND, I have never walked into any CEMETERY that I didn't feel like > I was on SACRED GROUND. WHO decides the difference in Burial Sites. The > length of time makes no difference what so ever. My Ancestors Burial Site is > just as SACRED to me and my family, as the Native American Sites are to them. > And rightly should be. Since they have Ancient Tools and other Items, I > suppose The DHPA makes the Distinction. Archaeologists are not concerned in > our Burial Sites (Cemeteries) because there are no Artifacts to Collect. > Don't get me wrong put the Landfill in a Large cemetery in the County. I'll > bet that wouldn't happen, so why should this. I don't care who likes my > opinion, I don't like being treated Second class. And the Native Americans > are not the ones to blame.! > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Po. Box 444 > New Albany, Floyd Co. In. > 47151-0444 > (812)282-6585 > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > >

Sue it's not a dream. Hear you go. http://genforum.genealogy.com/snodgrass/ http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.snodgrass http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi L. A. Clugh Tippecanoe Co. Cemetery Restoration Committee Coordinator Visit our cemetery list at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html

http://www.indystar.com/article.php?mounds25.html Sam Cline Hoosier History & Genealogy http://www.hoosierweb.org/ The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores. The latch string is always out.

God bless you. She's THERE! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "CLUGH_LA" <clugh_la@email.msn.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Snodgrass > Sue it's not a dream. Hear you go. > > http://genforum.genealogy.com/snodgrass/ > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.snodgrass > > http://vitals.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi > > L. A. Clugh > Tippecanoe Co. Cemetery Restoration Committee Coordinator > Visit our cemetery list at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. > >

I just found out that my great-grandmother was born in Indiana! See, I knew there was a reason this list and its people fascinated me! NOW, can someone find me some information on a family named SNODGRASS with a daughter named Elnora Elvira or Elvira Elnora and a son named Franklin? She was 34 when she died in CA in 1891. He was older than she. (I don't think I'm serious on this request, but one can dream!) Thanks, Sue Silver a new Hoosier!

Thanks for sending this item, Sam. We have problems with the Native sites in California also. Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel M. Cline" <scline@hoosierweb.org> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: [INPCRP] Indianapolis Star, Feb. 25, 2001, Section A, page 1. > http://www.indystar.com/article.php?mounds25.html > > > Sam Cline > Hoosier History & Genealogy > http://www.hoosierweb.org/ > The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores. > The latch string is always out. > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > >

Max Gray has forwarded to me the following message concerning HB 1241. Apparently the Bill is up for consideration before the SENATE Natural Resources Committee on Thursday at 8:40 A.M. in Room 125. I haven't heard how receptive the Indiana Senate might be to HB 1241 but, if you are so inclined, NOW would be the time to contact your State Senators. (The Bill has already passed the House.) Lois > Thank you for the e-mail to State Representative Sheila Klinker regarding > House Bill 1241. On Feburary 5, the House of Representatives passed HB 1241 > with a vote of 93 to 1. Representative Klinker was among the 93 who voted in > favor. > > The bill is now eligible for consideration by the State Senate. It is > scheduled to be heard in Chairman David Ford's Committee on Natural > Resources, Thursday at 8:40am in Room 125. I would suggest you contact > Senator Ford to voice your support, as well as Senators Wheeler and Lewis, > whom are the co-sponsors of the bill. > > Thank you again for the e-mail to Representative Klinker. Please do not > hesitate to contact one of us should we be of further assistance.

Lois...am I still on the site ? My msn. knocked me off a time or two and I haven't had any messages last day or so ?? Thanks Sue Noe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@insightbb.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: [INPCRP] E-mail Address Change for Lois Mauk > It's official. With the demise of @home cable internet, our local cable ISP > has stepped up to the plate and we are "back in business", but our e-mail > addresses have been changed. > > Please update your records to reflect that, effective 2/16/2002, my new > e-mail address is: > LoisMauk@InsightBB.com > > If you should ever experience difficulty reaching me, I do have an > alternate, but PERMANENT e-mail forwarding address at LoisMauk@usa.net that > you can use to get in touch with me. > > Best regards, > Lois Mauk > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > >

Looks like the General Assembly has been pretty busy with respect to House Bill 1241. I've not been feeling well for the past several weeks and haven't kept track of the Bill's progress some some time. I was pretty surprised to see tonight that HB 1241 passed the House on 2/4/2002, was referred to the Senate and, on 2/21/2002, received a "do pass" recommendation from the Senate Committee on Natural Resources. If the Bill passes the Senate, is then ratified by the House and signed by the Governor, it will become law on 7/1/2002. Though the language might be easier to follow in the PDF version, here's the relevant portion of the bill: IC 23-14-57-1 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2002]: SECTION 1. (a) As used in this section, "removed" refers to the disinterment, disentombment, or disinurnment of the remains of a deceased human. (b) Except as provided in subsection (e), the remains, either cremated or uncremated, of a deceased human shall not be removed from a cemetery without: (1) a written order of issued by the state department of health; (2) the written consent of: (A) the owner of the cemetery; or (B) the owner's representative; and (3) the written consent of: (A) the spouse of the deceased; or (B) the parents of the deceased in the case of a deceased minor child; or a court order; authorizing the disinterment, disentombment, or disinurnment. (c) Before issuing a written authorization under subsection (b), the state department of health shall do the following: (1) Obtain written evidence of the legal ownership of the property from which the remains will be removed. (2) Send written notice to the department of natural resources, division of historic preservation and archeology, of the time, date, and place from which the remains will be removed. (3) Obtain written evidence that a licensed funeral director has agreed to: (A) be present at the removal and at the reinterment, reentombment, or reinurnment of the remains; and (B) cause the completed order of the state department of health to be recorded in the office of the county recorder of the county where the removal occurred. (4) Obtain written evidence that a notice of the proposed removal has been published at least five (5) days before a written order is issued by the state department of health in a newspaper of general circulation in the county where the removal will occur. (5) Obtain a copy of: (A) the written consent required under subsection (b)(3); or (B) a court order obtained by a person under subsection (d). (d) If the written consent of: (1) the spouse of the deceased; or (2) the parents of the deceased in the case of a deceased minor; is not available, a person who has made a request under this section to the state department of health may petition a court to determine whether to waive the consent requirement of subsection (b)(3). In determining whether to waive the requirement, the court shall consider the viewpoint of any issue (as defined in IC 29-1-1-3) of the deceased. In a proceeding under this subsection, the court may not order the disinterment, disentombment, or disinurnment of the remains of a deceased human. (e) This subsection applies only if the human remains are on property owned or leased by a coal company. The remains, either cremated or uncremated, of a deceased human may be removed from a cemetery by a coal company if the coal company obtains a court order authorizing the disinterment, disentombment, or disinurnment. Before issuing a court order under this subsection, a court must conduct a hearing and be satisfied as to the following: (1) That the property is owned or leased by the coal company. (2) That the coal company has obtained the written consent of: (A) the spouse of the deceased; or (B) the parents of the deceased in the case of a deceased minor child; authorizing the disinterment, disentombment, or disinurnment. If the consent is not available, the court may waive the requirement after considering the viewpoint of any issue {decendants} (as defined in IC 29-1-1-3) of the deceased. (3) That the department of natural resources, division of historic preservation and archeology, has received at least five (5) days written notice of the time, date, and place of any hearing under this subsection. The notice must describe the proposed place from which the remains will be removed. (4) That a licensed funeral director has agreed to: (A) be present at the removal and at the reinterment, reentombment, or reinurnment of the remains; and (B) cause the completed order of the state department of health to be recorded in the office of the county recorder of the county where the removal occurred. (5) That the coal company has caused a notice of the proposed removal to be published at least five (5) days before the hearing in a newspaper of general circulation in the county where the removal will occur. (6) That the coal company will notify the department of natural resources, division of historic preservation and archeology, after the hearing of the proposed time and date when the remains will be removed. (f) The state department of health may adopt rules under IC 4-22-2 to implement this section. ====================== For more details and the PDF version of the engrossed bill, see: http://www.state.in.us/serv/lsa_billinfo and type in "1241" as the Bill number.

If you read this article, you should discount what the DCA spokesman says. They have been understaffed for at least six years. DCA took over the cemetery regulation in 1996. They started out with two field investigators/inspectors. They still have just two of them and you have to wait forever to get any response to a complaint. AND, they only regulate LICENSED PRIVATE cemeteries. If someone doesn't have a license, they tell you they have no jurisdiction. So, open a cemetery, DON'T get a license and they have no control over you! Can we spell DUMB? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Kneisler" <pknize@pacbell.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: [INPCRP] Cremation Scandals Abound ... > In light of recent comments on this mail list concerning the Georgia crematory, I thought the list members might be interested in this article that appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle this morning (February 22nd): > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/02/22 /MN180399.DTL > > Pat Kneisler > Benicia, CA > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

In light of recent comments on this mail list concerning the Georgia crematory, I thought the list members might be interested in this article that appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle this morning (February 22nd): http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/02/22/MN180399.DTL Pat Kneisler Benicia, CA

In a message dated 2/21/02 10:03:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time, BECKWITH@surf-ici.com writes: > Well, is there no law that we are not to harm one another? Why > is it that we need such specific laws to govern the idiots who can think > up more and more ways to hurt others? Are there no good general laws to > cover the acts that these people do? > > > Are you aware of how many Laws we have on the Books that no one can even remember. Our problem is they are not enforced. The Legislature goes to work every session and passes new overlapping laws. They could spend 2 years removing useless laws and there would still be a law against everything. Apparently the state of Georgia has not put their law clerks to work looking for a clause, no matter how minuscule the law, they could come up with a prosecutable offense for the Owners of the Crematorium that would put them away. Somewhere there is a Technicality that could be used. But even if they go to jail the mental damage they have done to the families could never be rectified. The families must live with these horrible indignities that their deceased are being put thru, for the rest of their lives. Not only did they have to suffer the deaths of their loved ones, the deceased, and the living are now going thru one of the most undignified situations that man can do to his fellow man. There is NO justification for what has been done, except GREED. When Laws are passed they must not be for looks, they must have meaning. And this List understands that. Jack Briles

It just amazes me, that they could find no law which was broken in Georgia. Is there no law on the books which says that we should respect one another, living or dead? I heard last week I heard, here in Indiana they want to make it a law that one cannot throw burning objects out of a moving vehicle. The purpose is to prevent people from throwing lit cigarette butts out, where they could fly into anothers car and burn someone. Well, is there no law that we are not to harm one another? Why is it that we need such specific laws to govern the idiots who can think up more and more ways to hurt others? Are there no good general laws to cover the acts that these people do?