this may present a new lead - taken from History of Rush County 1888 - are we looking for a Patrick Logan? Diana at wmmahan@comsys.net is the Rush County person to contact. Early Industries Judge W. B. LAUGHLIN built the first gristmill in the county, in 1821. It was south of where the town of Rushville stands, on the land now owned by Aaron FRAZEE; the dam was where the south bridge now crosses Flat Rock. This was a great convenience to the pioneers of this county, as they had to go heretofore to Connersville to do their milling. But some two years later a season of unprecedented amount and fatality of, sickness devastated the young town of Rushville. The citizens excited and alarmed attributed this to the damming of Flat Rock, and considering it their right and duty to abate the fatal nuisance, rose en masse and destroyed the dam. But this did not materially lessen the malarious elements generated by the exposure of a damp soil teeming with decaying vegetable matter to the direct rays of the sun. At this time Jehu PERKINS had a distillery on his farm and a horsepower tread mill for the grinding of corn. Some years later he built a mill on Little Flat Rock, near where the Pleasant Run Baptist Church now stands. William ROBINSON built a steam mill on the farm now owned by Abijah HUNT; these were in what is now Noble Township At an early day John WOODS put up a mill at Moscow, built of round logs, he also had a still-house there, as had Joseph Owens. These with their old fashion copper stills amply supplied the spirituous wants of this, then notorious, town, and its vicinity. Robert HILL built a sawmill in 1827, and one year later a gristmill, at the place now known as Carthage. Dayton HOLLOWAY built the next mill in that neighborhood. Stephen Franklin wrote: > Susan, > > Besides the USGenweb page, is that where you looked for the cemetery? > I'm also fforwarding this email onto the Indiana Cemetery Preservation Project to see if anyone knows of this cemtery > location. I hope they will reply to me as well. > > I check with the findagrave link to locate a cemetery and the only one with that name it picked up in Barthlomew County. > I checked with our SAR CDROM War Graves and it only lists the cemetery but not the township it is in. If someone there in Rush County on the group has a section map it may list the cemetery. > > NAME OF CEMETERY > (LITTLE) FLAT ROCK > > COUNTY OF CEMETERY > RUSH > > LOCATION DESCRIPTION > NOBLE TWP. > > REMARKS > SEE FLAT ROCK > > CALL NUMBER "1" > G 977.201 R952d > > CALL NUMBER "2" > G 977.201 R952i > > > Hope this helps it comes from the Indiana State Genealogical Division: ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED!! > > Stephen D Franklin > South District Director > Indiana Society > Sons of the American Revolution > > http://www.geocities.com/inssar-south > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SusanALogan@aol.com > To: daniel@iglou.com > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:01 AM > Subject: Patrick Logan > > Patrick Logan was born 6May 1752 in Ireland but came to Penn. and fought in the Rev. War several times from Penn and also from Virginia in Moore's co 4th Batallion Chester county and also in Brandywine. He eventaully came to Indiana and died 17 Jan 1828 and was buried in Flat Rock Church Cemetery in Rushville, > Rush, Indiana. Information has no listing for the cemetery. The public library said it doesnt exist. They gave me supposedly the Flat Rock Christian Church 765-932-4900 but I ended up on someone answering #765-932-5211 and I left a message. > > I was hoping to find some records at the time of death that would give me a clue as to where he was born in Ireland and who his parents may have been. I am new to the search and I know somewhere there must be records but I am a novice as to how to access them. Can you help? > > Thank you > Susan Logan > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version)

I have an 1876 IN atlas, and I found that Noble Twp is not on the Flat Rock River, as might be expected. It is, however, on Flat Rock Creek. In this township, on the southeast side of Rush Co I found 3 crosses on the map. They were in sections 8, 13, and 17 of T13N R10E. None of them had names on them. The cemetery in S8 was beside a church. They were all located in close proximity to county roads. Hope that helps. Sharon Mills At 11:53 PM 3/18/02, you wrote: >Susan, > >Besides the USGenweb page, is that where you looked for the cemetery? >I'm also fforwarding this email onto the Indiana Cemetery Preservation >Project to see if anyone knows of this cemtery >location. I hope they will reply to me as well. > >I check with the findagrave link to locate a cemetery and the only one >with that name it picked up in Barthlomew County. >I checked with our SAR CDROM War Graves and it only lists the cemetery but >not the township it is in. If someone there in Rush County on the group >has a section map it may list the cemetery. > > > NAME OF CEMETERY > (LITTLE) FLAT ROCK > > COUNTY OF CEMETERY > RUSH > > LOCATION DESCRIPTION > NOBLE TWP. > > REMARKS > SEE FLAT ROCK > > CALL NUMBER "1" > G 977.201 R952d > > CALL NUMBER "2" > G 977.201 R952i > > > >Hope this helps it comes from the Indiana State Genealogical >Division: ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED!! > >Stephen D Franklin >South District Director >Indiana Society >Sons of the American Revolution > >http://www.geocities.com/inssar-south > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SusanALogan@aol.com > To: daniel@iglou.com > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:01 AM > Subject: Patrick Logan > > > Patrick Logan was born 6May 1752 in Ireland but came to Penn. and > fought in the Rev. War several times from Penn and also from Virginia in > Moore's co 4th Batallion Chester county and also in Brandywine. He > eventaully came to Indiana and died 17 Jan 1828 and was buried in Flat > Rock Church Cemetery in Rushville, > Rush, Indiana. Information has no listing for the cemetery. The public > library said it doesnt exist. They gave me supposedly the Flat Rock > Christian Church 765-932-4900 but I ended up on someone answering > #765-932-5211 and I left a message. > > I was hoping to find some records at the time of death that would give > me a clue as to where he was born in Ireland and who his parents may have > been. I am new to the search and I know somewhere there must be records > but I am a novice as to how to access them. Can you help? > > Thank you > Susan Logan > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of >"UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version)

Susan, Besides the USGenweb page, is that where you looked for the cemetery? I'm also fforwarding this email onto the Indiana Cemetery Preservation Project to see if anyone knows of this cemtery location. I hope they will reply to me as well. I check with the findagrave link to locate a cemetery and the only one with that name it picked up in Barthlomew County. I checked with our SAR CDROM War Graves and it only lists the cemetery but not the township it is in. If someone there in Rush County on the group has a section map it may list the cemetery. NAME OF CEMETERY (LITTLE) FLAT ROCK COUNTY OF CEMETERY RUSH LOCATION DESCRIPTION NOBLE TWP. REMARKS SEE FLAT ROCK CALL NUMBER "1" G 977.201 R952d CALL NUMBER "2" G 977.201 R952i Hope this helps it comes from the Indiana State Genealogical Division: ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED!! Stephen D Franklin South District Director Indiana Society Sons of the American Revolution http://www.geocities.com/inssar-south ----- Original Message ----- From: SusanALogan@aol.com To: daniel@iglou.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: Patrick Logan Patrick Logan was born 6May 1752 in Ireland but came to Penn. and fought in the Rev. War several times from Penn and also from Virginia in Moore's co 4th Batallion Chester county and also in Brandywine. He eventaully came to Indiana and died 17 Jan 1828 and was buried in Flat Rock Church Cemetery in Rushville, Rush, Indiana. Information has no listing for the cemetery. The public library said it doesnt exist. They gave me supposedly the Flat Rock Christian Church 765-932-4900 but I ended up on someone answering #765-932-5211 and I left a message. I was hoping to find some records at the time of death that would give me a clue as to where he was born in Ireland and who his parents may have been. I am new to the search and I know somewhere there must be records but I am a novice as to how to access them. Can you help? Thank you Susan Logan

In a message dated 3/18/02 10:42:08 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > Haven't had any really obscene things for a while now, > thank the Lord. > > Sue by blocking the crazy named Domains this stuff was coming thru, I have sroped 75%. (I didn't mean to include your domain), Really. I also was getting Instant messages at night especially, all porn. SO, I blocked my Instant messages. Anyone in that big a hurry that is a friend will take the time to E-mail me. They really had my number for awhile. Also I got a lot of Spam that said this is in answer to your request for this information, sent by you or someone on your behalf. The person on my behalf sent the Damn thing. I guess for the benefits we get we will have to put up with this until the ISPs figure out a better way to stop more of it. Later, Jack

In a message dated 3/18/02 7:45:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time, elasley@sigecom.net writes: > That's a problem with posting on websites and being on mail lists, your > e-mail adress is vulnerable. I get rid of mine with Spamcop. This is > also a good way to complain to ISP's about the people who send the junk. > > http://spamcop.net > > Ernie > Ernie, I appreciate that, I'll check it out. That stuff is getting out of hand. I'm on aol and they are trying hard to stop it, but they also send me offers to buy???? Thanks, Jack Jack E. Briles Sr. Po Box 444 New Albany, Floyd Co. In. 47151-0444 E-mail jb502000@aol.com

In a message dated 3/18/02 8:56:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time, rgreen@nlci.com writes: > and any discussion depicting ways to legally covet location information, > rather than making this data as well known as possible, is both alarming > and counterproductive to the preservation of these important sites. > > Rich I have an appointment to check on repairing stones on one of the cemeteries I found. It is with some descendants. Also everyone in the county knows to call me (My books are not done) all county officials, the Library and the Reporters for the Louisville Courier, The New Albany Tribune and the Jeffersonville Evening news all know to direct people to me. There have been 6 articles in these papers. The Information is publicly known that I know where they are. And will meet them and lead them to the cemetery. (Again at my own expense and time) I will personaly take them to the site. And I dont charge for repairs, they are done on an as can basis. Others donate the money to buy the Epoxy only. Gotta Go, More tonite, Jack E. Briles Sr

Jack, That researchers who follow in your footsteps will benefit, and yes in some cases profit, from your hard work is a foregone conclusion. Comes with the territory. The better your work, the more likely that this will be so. But then, this is not really the argument that the "copyright" thread has brought to light. Clearly, the first order of business in the pioneer cemetery preservation process should be to accurately and expeditiously record the site locations, both locally and with the state. It's a lot more difficult for a land developer, highway department or other entity to alter or destroy that which has been publicly recorded. It follows then that the more obscure the property, the more threatened it is. Withholding points on a map for limited publication at some later date instead of immediately reporting the locations to the appropriate authorities can logically be perceived as detrimental to the preservation process. And, in this case it doesn't really matter whether there is a profit involved or not. I certainly don't think that's what you're all about. However, it is your right to collect and disseminate your research material in the manner you see fit. Last time I looked it was still a free country. I think that you will agree though that the destruction of these cemeteries may continue relatively unabated as long as state-wide cemetery documentation and registration is incomplete. Just food for thought but, what is accomplished in one small corner of Indiana may serve to establish the standard for folks with the same agenda elsewhere in the state. The bottom line is that the cemeteries have a much better shot at being saved if they are publicly recorded, and any discussion depicting ways to legally covet location information, rather than making this data as well known as possible, is both alarming and counterproductive to the preservation of these important sites. - Rich Green Historic Archaeological Research 4338 Hadley Court West Lafayette, IN 47906 Office: (765) 464-8735 Home: (765) 464-8095 http://www.har-indy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jb502000@aol.com To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Rich Green Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Copyrighting Cemetery Locations??? Rich, I'm 100% non profit. I plan on absolutely no monetary return on what I do. I have no Grant. I have not received one cent from anyone, I used only the money from my own pocket. Which over a year was considerable. The only thing I can say is after a year working at my own expense, I don't want someone photo copying my work and selling Booklets for a Profit. And "Yes" they would sell. My work is to be donated to the Local Library in Floyd, and Harrison counties free of charge. Anyone can come in and locate a cemetery from my 2 volumes. They can't take them out of the room. But I don't want someone else charging, and profiting from what I have done. Everyone will benefit from the information. But they won't Profit from it. Understand or not, that's it. Eventually the state of Indiana will have all of my information. But it won't be for sale, only for historical recording purposes. I can destroy all I have, then that little point on the map that only I know where it is would make a difference. It all depends on who did the financing. Again, my opinion, Jack E. Briles Sr

EarthLink has something called Spaminator. It works pretty good for me but occasionally really cruddy stuff gets by. I just forward it to EarthLink on their Abuse address. Haven't had any really obscene things for a while now, thank the Lord. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <elasley@sigecom.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Junk mail & porn mail. > That's a problem with posting on websites and being on mail lists, your > e-mail adress is vulnerable. I get rid of mine with Spamcop. This is > also a good way to complain to ISP's about the people who send the junk. > > http://spamcop.net > > Ernie > > At 08:09 PM 03/17/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >Know what you mean.... > > > >Sue > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <Jb502000@aol.com> > >To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:47 PM > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Jack Briles, OK now > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/02 8:27:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > > > ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > Did you change your email address? I keep getting my last reply to you > > > > bounced back. Happened twice now... > > > > > > > > Sue Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > Sue, I get about 25 Porno E-mail a day. (No I don't open them) Some how > >I > > > must have got 2 or 3 the same day from the Domain jps.net and I blocked > >it. > > > Im glad you went thru INPCRP. jps.net is now clear. If I have blocked > >anyone > > > else let me know thru the list and I will clear it. Sorry Sue. That stuff > > > gets pretty disgusting. > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of > >England > > > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > > > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > > > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > > > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > > > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > > > to high ideals." > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > >

Jack, What you've done has been done for many years now. You're not copyrighting the information that's freely available on the ground or in other document that can be located, you're copyrighting your "intellectual property." It's done all the time. Just look at how many marriage register transcriptions (taken from public record) are for sale. It's the same thing. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Copyrighting Cemetery Locations??? > > > > Rich, I'm 100% non profit. I plan on absolutely no monetary return on what I > do. I have no Grant. I have not received one cent from anyone, I used only > the money from my own pocket. Which over a year was considerable. The only > thing I can say is after a year working at my own expense, I don't want > someone photo copying my work and selling Booklets for a Profit. And "Yes" > they would sell. My work is to be donated to the Local Library in Floyd, and > Harrison counties free of charge. Anyone can come in and locate a cemetery > from my 2 volumes. They can't take them out of the room. But I don't want > someone else charging, and profiting from what I have done. > Everyone will benefit from the information. But they won't Profit from it. > Understand or not, that's it. Eventually the state of Indiana will have all > of my information. But it won't be for sale, only for historical recording > purposes. I can destroy all I have, then that little point on the map that > only I know where it is would make a difference. It all depends on who did > the financing. > Again, my opinion, > > Jack E. Briles Sr > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >

That's a problem with posting on websites and being on mail lists, your e-mail adress is vulnerable. I get rid of mine with Spamcop. This is also a good way to complain to ISP's about the people who send the junk. http://spamcop.net Ernie At 08:09 PM 03/17/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Know what you mean.... > >Sue >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Jb502000@aol.com> >To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:47 PM >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Jack Briles, OK now > > > > In a message dated 3/17/02 8:27:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > > ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > > > > > > > Did you change your email address? I keep getting my last reply to you > > > bounced back. Happened twice now... > > > > > > Sue Silver > > > > > > > > > Sue, I get about 25 Porno E-mail a day. (No I don't open them) Some how >I > > must have got 2 or 3 the same day from the Domain jps.net and I blocked >it. > > Im glad you went thru INPCRP. jps.net is now clear. If I have blocked >anyone > > else let me know thru the list and I will clear it. Sorry Sue. That stuff > > gets pretty disgusting. > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of >England > > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > > to high ideals." > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)

Rich, I'm 100% non profit. I plan on absolutely no monetary return on what I do. I have no Grant. I have not received one cent from anyone, I used only the money from my own pocket. Which over a year was considerable. The only thing I can say is after a year working at my own expense, I don't want someone photo copying my work and selling Booklets for a Profit. And "Yes" they would sell. My work is to be donated to the Local Library in Floyd, and Harrison counties free of charge. Anyone can come in and locate a cemetery from my 2 volumes. They can't take them out of the room. But I don't want someone else charging, and profiting from what I have done. Everyone will benefit from the information. But they won't Profit from it. Understand or not, that's it. Eventually the state of Indiana will have all of my information. But it won't be for sale, only for historical recording purposes. I can destroy all I have, then that little point on the map that only I know where it is would make a difference. It all depends on who did the financing. Again, my opinion, Jack E. Briles Sr

In a message dated 3/18/02 12:12:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, md9105@skyenet.net writes: > The funny part about this is the book with the "copyrighted cemeteries" is > available for research at some libraries and a few other genealogy research > sites(can you say Randolph county Historical Museum- Winchester,Indiana) > Oops I guess I let the cat out of the bag.....phone 765 584 1334 Monisa > Wisener Mark, I don't "Copyright Cemeteries" Its my other work involved. I have no Idea who is buried in any cemetery. I'm not even interested, unless they are related to me. I can't do lookups. I don't have any names. The only names I have is in my Data base that I have collected over 27 years. And yes there are "Copyrighted family Genealogy Books", a lot of them. Jack E. Briles Sr. New Albany, Floyd Co. In. E-mail jb502000@aol.com

Sue, The funny part about this is the book with the "copyrighted cemeteries" is available for research at some libraries and a few other genealogy research sites(can you say Randolph county Historical Museum- Winchester,Indiana) Oops I guess I let the cat out of the bag.....phone 765 584 1334 Monisa Wisener. This is just between you and me,isnt it?(tongue in cheek). She can probably do a lookup in it.....its only certain Henry county township cemeteries. Anyway I am off topic.Back to the real cemetery related items. Mark Davis Sue Silver P.S. And I ran across some clown who had Amanda posted and when I inquired how he was related (I'm looking for affected descendants of this pitiful cemetery), it comes back at me that he can't reveal any info due to copyright restrictions. Get real! Who cares? After all the info a lot of us freely share with others, who needs this? So, I offered him info and now, well, hmmmmm

Thanks Jack...keep up the good work.I appreciate your input. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Painter Cemetery, Henry County > In a message dated 3/17/02 9:26:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > md9105@skyenet.net writes: > > > > BUT.... some cemeteries(I think) would fall into Public Domain(under the > > Township Trustee stewardship).What is the law regarding this? > > > > I hope someone with legal experience in this area will chime in on this > > subject.And cite some laws that would apply in your response. > > > > Thanks > > Mark Davis > > > > Mark, > I am locating in Floyd County all cemeteries. I even have some > people only thought existed. I locate them, and including Gps, latitude, and > longitude, the Exact location, and using USGS maps to pinpoint my Locations > on the Maps. Also Directions to the cemetery from the Court House, the number > of feet from point A to B the cemetery.. I have copyrighted everything but > the USGS maps I can copyright the location, the directions, the Format The > Numbering System , The Names of the Cemeteries, (I have changed some because > of the Deeds) of the person who started the cemetery. I CANNOT COPYRIGHT THE > USGS MAPS THEMSELVES, They belong to the US Government and cannot be > copyrighted. But the Cross hair on the location belongs to me. I have spent > almost a year researching these Cemeteries. No one is going to take this away > from me without my permission. Hell, no one could find half of what I have in > a year. I do not Record Names. > That is for someone else. If you copy all names in a Particular Format > different enough that what you do is so different from someone else, then you > can Copyright your Collection. If they go by row, you go from front to back, > if they do that, you go sideways, Make it Different enough that if they are > photocopied they look different.YOU MAY NOT DO IT EXACTLY LIKE THEY DO or you > infringe on their copyright. The Names are in the Public Domain. It is the > Difference in your work and theirs that counts. My Humble opinion. If > someone copys mine, wer'e headed for court. Some one speak up. I could get > my forms and quote, but this is Long enough, I forgot, if the cemetery is on > private property and an Individual is given exclusive rights to copy the > cemetery, you are out of luck. > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Po Box 444 > New Albany, Floyd Co. In. > 47151-0444 > E-mail jb502000@aol.com > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >

I was having a hard time following the original thread and now, I must confess, I'm really confused. What would be the purpose of copyrighting a cemetery location on a map? From whom would it be necessary to retain such information? I don't get it. Shouldn't all cemetery locations, and in particular those that are obscure and hard to find, be accurately recorded and publicly disseminated? Why would one want to hold a copyright to such information? I doubt seriously if there is much, if any, value in terms of publishing and surely no one would suggest that the methods by which such data were collected and recorded are in some way unique or proprietary? On the contrary, most of the survey done by amateurs and even some professionals won't stand up in a court of law. So, exactly what is the purpose of copyrighting a point on a map? How could the author/researcher/cemetery cartographer be harmed by the use of such information by others? The only real value in the information is if it is shared with other researchers. - Rich Green Historic Archaeological Research 4338 Hadley Court West Lafayette, IN 47906 Office: (765) 464-8735 Home: (765) 464-8095 http://www.har-indy.com

In a message dated 3/17/02 9:26:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time, md9105@skyenet.net writes: > there was some public information that isnt copyrightable(Like the > Gettysburg Address,etc) > That is considered a Historical Speech by a President. The only way it would be effective for you would be for you to copy it word for word. You can't do that. You can recite it, you can print it, you can read it, but It's like my USGS maps it belongs to the people. No one can stop you from printing it but it belongs to us all. It would not be original work of yours. My D---- Opinion again Jack E. Briles Sr. Po Box 444 New Albany, Floyd Co. In. 47151-0444 E-mail jb502000@aol.com

In a message dated 3/17/02 9:26:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time, md9105@skyenet.net writes: > BUT.... some cemeteries(I think) would fall into Public Domain(under the > Township Trustee stewardship).What is the law regarding this? > > I hope someone with legal experience in this area will chime in on this > subject.And cite some laws that would apply in your response. > > Thanks > Mark Davis > Mark, I am locating in Floyd County all cemeteries. I even have some people only thought existed. I locate them, and including Gps, latitude, and longitude, the Exact location, and using USGS maps to pinpoint my Locations on the Maps. Also Directions to the cemetery from the Court House, the number of feet from point A to B the cemetery.. I have copyrighted everything but the USGS maps I can copyright the location, the directions, the Format The Numbering System , The Names of the Cemeteries, (I have changed some because of the Deeds) of the person who started the cemetery. I CANNOT COPYRIGHT THE USGS MAPS THEMSELVES, They belong to the US Government and cannot be copyrighted. But the Cross hair on the location belongs to me. I have spent almost a year researching these Cemeteries. No one is going to take this away from me without my permission. Hell, no one could find half of what I have in a year. I do not Record Names. That is for someone else. If you copy all names in a Particular Format different enough that what you do is so different from someone else, then you can Copyright your Collection. If they go by row, you go from front to back, if they do that, you go sideways, Make it Different enough that if they are photocopied they look different.YOU MAY NOT DO IT EXACTLY LIKE THEY DO or you infringe on their copyright. The Names are in the Public Domain. It is the Difference in your work and theirs that counts. My Humble opinion. If someone copys mine, wer'e headed for court. Some one speak up. I could get my forms and quote, but this is Long enough, I forgot, if the cemetery is on private property and an Individual is given exclusive rights to copy the cemetery, you are out of luck. Jack E. Briles Sr. Po Box 444 New Albany, Floyd Co. In. 47151-0444 E-mail jb502000@aol.com

Dear List, Can someone explain how cemetery information can be copyrighted? I thought that there was some public information that isnt copyrightable(Like the Gettysburg Address,etc) I am familiar with the situation in Henry county with certain "copyrighted" cemeteries.....So what is to keep me from going out and doing my own transcriptions and donating it to the Henry County GS in a non-copyrighted donation? I am not advocating breaking the copyright law..Just trying to understand the thinking behind "owning" most of the info that can easily be found in a public setting. Here is why I ask. I am compiling the burial sites of the CW soldiers of Henry county. So when I get this completed,what keeps a certain someone from Wayne county(name removed to protect the innocent) from claiming copyright infringement even though I did all the work of going through the cemeteries,the records,the obits,the newspaper articles,etc? I publish genealogy books for families and I will not look at something unless the family has copyrighted their material,for their protection and mine.....so I understand the reason for copyright protection of new,researched information, to recover costs of the author, and to keep someone from reassigning their name to a completed project. BUT.... some cemeteries(I think) would fall into Public Domain(under the Township Trustee stewardship).What is the law regarding this? I hope someone with legal experience in this area will chime in on this subject.And cite some laws that would apply in your response. Thanks Mark Davis Hartford City,IN My ----- Original Message ----- From: "UEB" <ueb@iei.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Painter Cemetery, Henry County > Sue, > Here is a Fall Creek, Henry County, IN page from my website WWW.HCGS.NET. > I have listed all of the "un-copyrighted" cemeteries. Someone else "owns" > the others. > > UEB > www.hcgs.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:14 PM > Subject: [INPCRP] Painter Cemetery, Henry County > > > > Hi, > > > > Just to show you how small this world is, here is a guy named GOSSETT who > died in Henry Co., Indiana and was buried there. > > > > a.. ID: I45994327 > > a.. Name: Joseph GOSSETT > > a.. Given Name: Joseph > > a.. Surname: Gossett > > a.. Sex: M > > a.. Birth: 25 Mar 1793 in VA 1 > > a.. Death: 6 Dec 1860 in Fall Creek, Henry Co IN 1 > > a.. Note: > > Custom Field:<_FA#> Served in Capt Samuel b Kyles Ohio > Militia@S23453@Date of Import: Oct 16, 1999 > > Custom Field:<_FA#> Painter Cemetery@S23453@Date of Import: Oct 16, 1999 > > REFN: 26 > > [Family gibson.GED] > > Chr. United Brethren Chruch Painters Cemetery, soldier in war of 1812 2 > > trems, entered land 160A Henry Co IN Fall Creek ,SE qtr sec4 twp 18N R9E > > 160A 23 Sep 1829, N 1/2 of NW 1/2 14 qtr twp 18N R9E 40A 9 Nov 1835 Capt > > Kyles Co Oh Militia 12-1-1812 to 4-24-1813 rank Sgt. stone has date 15 > May > > 1869 > > Joseph arrived at Honey Creek in the fall of 1830 and built a log cabin. > > He didnt have time to build a floor or chimney befor winter set in , so > > they had their fire in the middle of the room. > > > > Then here I am in California, Sacramento County specifically this time, > and his grandson's second wife is buried in the raped and mutilated cemetery > in Folsom. Her grave, of course, is unmarked, although the rest of the > family's graves are marked. > > > > How small does this world get? > > > > Sue Silver > > > > P.S. And I ran across some clown who had Amanda posted and when I > inquired how he was related (I'm looking for affected descendants of this > pitiful cemetery), it comes back at me that he can't reveal any info due to > copyright restrictions. Get real! Who cares? After all the info a lot of > us freely share with others, who needs this? So, I offered him info and > now, well, hmmmmm. > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > >

In a message dated 3/17/02 8:27:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > Did you change your email address? I keep getting my last reply to you > bounced back. Happened twice now... > > Sue Silver > > > Sue, I get about 25 Porno E-mail a day. (No I don't open them) Some how I must have got 2 or 3 the same day from the Domain jps.net and I blocked it. Im glad you went thru INPCRP. jps.net is now clear. If I have blocked anyone else let me know thru the list and I will clear it. Sorry Sue. That stuff gets pretty disgusting. Jack

Gosh, Jack, I never thought of this work that way, but you're absolutely right! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Painter Cemetery, Henry County > In a message dated 3/17/02 9:26:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > md9105@skyenet.net writes: > > > > BUT.... some cemeteries(I think) would fall into Public Domain(under the > > Township Trustee stewardship).What is the law regarding this? > > > > I hope someone with legal experience in this area will chime in on this > > subject.And cite some laws that would apply in your response. > > > > Thanks > > Mark Davis > > > > Mark, > I am locating in Floyd County all cemeteries. I even have some > people only thought existed. I locate them, and including Gps, latitude, and > longitude, the Exact location, and using USGS maps to pinpoint my Locations > on the Maps. Also Directions to the cemetery from the Court House, the number > of feet from point A to B the cemetery.. I have copyrighted everything but > the USGS maps I can copyright the location, the directions, the Format The > Numbering System , The Names of the Cemeteries, (I have changed some because > of the Deeds) of the person who started the cemetery. I CANNOT COPYRIGHT THE > USGS MAPS THEMSELVES, They belong to the US Government and cannot be > copyrighted. But the Cross hair on the location belongs to me. I have spent > almost a year researching these Cemeteries. No one is going to take this away > from me without my permission. Hell, no one could find half of what I have in > a year. I do not Record Names. > That is for someone else. If you copy all names in a Particular Format > different enough that what you do is so different from someone else, then you > can Copyright your Collection. If they go by row, you go from front to back, > if they do that, you go sideways, Make it Different enough that if they are > photocopied they look different.YOU MAY NOT DO IT EXACTLY LIKE THEY DO or you > infringe on their copyright. The Names are in the Public Domain. It is the > Difference in your work and theirs that counts. My Humble opinion. If > someone copys mine, wer'e headed for court. Some one speak up. I could get > my forms and quote, but this is Long enough, I forgot, if the cemetery is on > private property and an Individual is given exclusive rights to copy the > cemetery, you are out of luck. > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Po Box 444 > New Albany, Floyd Co. In. > 47151-0444 > E-mail jb502000@aol.com > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >