Just an FYI for anyone interested. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Boomhower [mailto:RBoomhower@indianahistory.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:28 AM To: H-INDIANA@H-NET.MSU.EDU Subject: Traces on the Road program in Bloomington April 27 From: Ray Boomhower <rboomhower@indianahistory.org> Sent: Wed, 3 April 02 Subject: Traces on the Road program in Bloomington April 27 The Indiana Historical Society's traveling lecture series "Traces on the Road" will come to the Monroe County Public Library in Bloomington on April 27 at 11 a.m. Geologists Eric Kvale and Richard Powell will present a talk about Hindostan Whetstone gravestones. The production and manufacturing of whetstone gravestones during the first half of the 19th century constituted one of the state's earliest industries and the use of whetstone marked a vast improvement over fieldstone and wood markers. Whetstone gravestones were quarried from Orange County between the 1820s and the 1860s. Eric Kvale is a research geologist with the Indiana Geological Survey and an associate professor with the Indiana University Department of Geological Sciences. Richard Powell is a research affiliate with IGS, where his specialties include caves, coal, environmental geology, aerial photo interpretation and early land surveys. "Traces on the Road" is a quarterly lecture series in which authors present their stories from the pages of the Society's popular history magazine, _Traces of Indiana and Midwestern History_. Kvale and Powell's article "A Monumental Business: The Story of Hindostan Whetstone Gravestones," appeared in the winter 2002 issue of _Traces_. Programs in the lecture series are scheduled around the state with changing authors. _Traces_ managing editor Ray Boomhower serves as moderator for the programs. For more information, contact Boomhower at (317) 232-1877, or rboomhower@indianahistory.org.

Walt, How disheartening! Tullis Chapel was a beautiful cemetery. I don't understand why the commissioners would say the things they said. Frankly, you put Fayette Co. on the map! Looking forward to seeing you in Dunreith on May 11th. Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walters" <graveyardgroomer@skyenet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cattle damage Tulis Chapel Cemetery > Sharon, > The person hired was not one of the three that the Cemetery Commission took to them.What I can not understand is why did they ask the five person board to take time to sift through 45 applications,have interviews with eight and narrow it down to three,and just blindly put in their own choice. > Freddie Lakes was the top choice of the Cemetery Commission solely on his experience in restoration,he also is the only one beside myself that knows the location of the 65 cemeteries,on two occasions he ran the department,once while I was at the AGS Conference in Washington,and once when I broke my hip.He played a huge part in the restoration of Martin Cem.,Old Parrott , Tullis Chapel, Silas & Evans,Dawson & Merrick,and Nulltown Cemetery. > It makes no sense to me. I have heard through the grapevine that a comments from the Commissioners are things like,"Glad to be rid of Walters,he created a monster that constantly needed fed". " That I was a thorn in their side" > Why would they tear down a very active department that was showing Fayette County leading in something besides unemployment? > Politics Go Figure! > You can count on me to keep an eye on the situation , and they thought I was a thorn when I worked for them,believe me I am more than that now! > Wish me and Fayette County"s cemeteries luck! > Walt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J & S Mills <mills@reliable-net.net> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cattle damage Tulis Chapel Cemetery > > > > > > To what extent can a person on disability be employed without losing their > > disability status? Was he on the list that was narrowed down to three by > > the cemetery commission? If so, why? > > > > Sounds as if the county commissioners hired an old buddy instead of acting > > in the best interests of the citizenry...past and present. > > > > Sorry about this downer, Walt. > > > > Sharon Mills > > > > > > > > > > At 10:10 PM 3/28/02, John Walters wrote: > > >Tullis Chapel Cemetery is located in Fayette County,and was restored last > > >year or at least 90% restored. > > >This is the Cemetery we toured at the Open House for those of you that was > > >here.It is the one we built the bridge over the creek to get the equipment to. > > > This morning on my way to town I noticed an obelisk had fallen and went > > > on up to check it out.I was so upset to see 15 tombstones toppled, some > > > of the very stones restored last year. > > > I place the blame on the County Commissioners! > > >I resigned my position with Fayette County in December but gave them a 6 > > >week notice as I wanted to see a smooth transition and give some advice > > >and training to whomever took my place.They were in no hurry as a matter > > >of fact they came up with the idea to just contract the mowing out and set > > >some money back for restoration.I went to the commissioners meeting and > > >voiced my concerns and really could not understand why they would kill a > > >productive Cemetery Department. > > >The Cemetery Commission had 45 applications for the position and narrowed > > >it down to three and handed them to the Commissioners .One of the > > >applicants was Freddie Lakes,Freddie has worked restoration with me for > > >two years,and in fact ran the Department when I broke my hip.They would > > >not hire Freddie nor did they hire any of the Cemetery Commissions > > >recommendations. > > > They hired a someone on disability that has no experience with > > > cemeteries at all. > > >The job description reads to monitor all cemeteries this guy has no clue > > >where they are at.I don't mean to carry on but I know that if they would > > >have hired someone in December ,the money was there to bring in Part-time > > >in on Feb.15th. > > > My point is they would have seen the downed fence,secured it and those > > > stones may not have been damaged.Now they lay broken again and for how > > > long.I am going to fix the fence tomorrow on my own,I can not stand to > > > see all the hard work done to that yard be neglected and destroyed by cattle. > > > Thanks for listening. > > > Walt > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > >Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)

Jack, would it be possible to also have someone video tape the burning as well? That could prove to be a valuable resource in itself. William Spurlock Saving Graves http://www.savinggraves.com -----Original Message----- From: Jb502000@aol.com [mailto:Jb502000@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 11:48 AM To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INPCRP] St Johns looks like a Cemetery In a message dated 3/30/02 10:09:39 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > Jack, > > Is there any provision for monitoring potential damage that may be > occurring > to the stones? I would bet there is not much data currently available on > the effects of this burning, so it might be good to keep an eye on it. > > Sue > Sue, There has never been anything documented concerning the burning of ANY cemetery. They come, they burn, they leave. The stone have a gray smoky look. Someone rubbed the names and dates so they could be read. In the process of trying to reach an agreement, I asked to be notified, and allowed to observe the burning. I am going to take close up photos of the front and back of each stone before and during and after the burning. Nothing has ever been recorded as an observation, other than "They look OK" That's not very scientific. No one in the country, NO ONE, has did a detailed study of the effects of fire on the stones. No one. I think it's about time that it be done. I plan on using 4 rolls of Film on the Cemetery the 1st of April. I will note the date, the weather, the Temperature, the moisture content, the Humidity, the height of the grass. I will have the present discoloration of each stone at this time, after the cemetery being cleaned. I will take pictures before and during the burning on the day of the fire. Also video. I think it's about time we find out the effects of any kind of fire in the cemetery at all. As I said, no one has ever checked the results before. There are no studies of any kind. Now we will do one. I am also responsible enough to conduct an unbiased investigation. My 48 years working with stone, including fire RestorationI should qualify me more than an average person to conduct a study. I only want the best for the cemetery. If burning does no harm, I will gladly report this as a positive. Or if I see adverse effects, I will note and report that also as a Negative. Do I sound like a radical???? I am not. I'm trying to prove that. The Rep. from the Nature Preserve, a division of the DNR was contacted by the Trustee. He said he had been by and it looked fine. That's good. The Trustee also seems to think the cemetery is much improved. Now we need our new sign.!! Jack E. Briles Sr. Po Box 444 New Albany, Floyd Co. In. 47151-0444 E-mail jb502000@aol.com ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net.

In a message dated 3/30/02 10:09:39 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > Jack, > > Is there any provision for monitoring potential damage that may be > occurring > to the stones? I would bet there is not much data currently available on > the effects of this burning, so it might be good to keep an eye on it. > > Sue > Sue, There has never been anything documented concerning the burning of ANY cemetery. They come, they burn, they leave. The stone have a gray smoky look. Someone rubbed the names and dates so they could be read. In the process of trying to reach an agreement, I asked to be notified, and allowed to observe the burning. I am going to take close up photos of the front and back of each stone before and during and after the burning. Nothing has ever been recorded as an observation, other than "They look OK" That's not very scientific. No one in the country, NO ONE, has did a detailed study of the effects of fire on the stones. No one. I think it's about time that it be done. I plan on using 4 rolls of Film on the Cemetery the 1st of April. I will note the date, the weather, the Temperature, the moisture content, the Humidity, the height of the grass. I will have the present discoloration of each stone at this time, after the cemetery being cleaned. I will take pictures before and during the burning on the day of the fire. Also video. I think it's about time we find out the effects of any kind of fire in the cemetery at all. As I said, no one has ever checked the results before. There are no studies of any kind. Now we will do one. I am also responsible enough to conduct an unbiased investigation. My 48 years working with stone, including fire RestorationI should qualify me more than an average person to conduct a study. I only want the best for the cemetery. If burning does no harm, I will gladly report this as a positive. Or if I see adverse effects, I will note and report that also as a Negative. Do I sound like a radical???? I am not. I'm trying to prove that. The Rep. from the Nature Preserve, a division of the DNR was contacted by the Trustee. He said he had been by and it looked fine. That's good. The Trustee also seems to think the cemetery is much improved. Now we need our new sign.!! Jack E. Briles Sr. Po Box 444 New Albany, Floyd Co. In. 47151-0444 E-mail jb502000@aol.com

Jack, Is there any provision for monitoring potential damage that may be occurring to the stones? I would bet there is not much data currently available on the effects of this burning, so it might be good to keep an eye on it. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: [INPCRP] St Johns looks like a Cemetery > St. Johns Lutheran (barrens) Cemetery > To the List and Wm. Spurlock@saving Graves > > Last night I received a Phone Call from Fred Uhl, the Morgan Twp. > Harrison Co. Trustee. He is the man designated to care for this cemetery. > After a meeting the 6th of March at the cemetery, With a Representative of > the Nature Preserve, A Division of the DNR, and a Rep. of the Nature > Conservancy., Trustee Fred Uhl, and myself, we struck a Compromise agreeable > to all 4. The Cemetery will be Burned every 4-5 years at a height of 6 inches > after it is mowed. It will be mowed November 1st. That allows about 7 months > out of the year when the cemetery can be visited by the Elderly, the > Handicapped and Small Children as should any cemetery in INDIANA > > Today it looked like a Cemetery should.!! First I would like to > thank the Representative of the N.P. and the DNR for their willingness to > cooperate, and make concessions, as I also had to make some of my own. They > knew what they wanted and I knew what I wanted. We met in the middle with the > Trustee, and we all came out winners I still don't approve of burning a > cemetery, but on this one I will conduct my own study for damage. At 6 inches > I believe it will be very minimal if at all. Good things can happen when > everyone works together toward a logical conclusion. I also wish to Thank > Trustee Fred Uhl, He was sort of in the middle, but did a very fine clean up > a fine job. I have photos taken the day Bill Spurlock got the E-mail about > the condition. I took them about an hour after I read about it. This > afternoon I took 24 more Photos. They are different. When I first went over > the hill and saw it, My wife and I both thought we turned on the wrong road. > I honestly believe I had tears in my eyes. > > I went across the road to the State Troopers house and asked > how it looked. He said first, I hope you had permission. I answered > everything he asked, and then he said it REALLY LOOKS GREAT. Now people can > get in and visit. Now as soon as they get the standard White and Black sign > I was promised, even mentioning St. Johns Cemetery as well as the Barrens, > and get rid of the Monstrosity directly in front, I'll be happy. Well, I've > talked to much, I will get the before, and after Photos on Line tomorrow, for > those interested. as far as what has been accomplished, this is what I told > my children," If you need help and only yell once, no one will listen, but > keep it up and sooner or later someone will listen and help you". Being good > Friday I feel Blessed. I've been Helped. Happy Easter, and don't forget the > actual meaning of Sunday. Have fun To > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Po Box 444 > New Albany, Floyd Co. In. > 47151-0444 > E-mail jb502000@aol.com > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. > >

St. Johns Lutheran (barrens) Cemetery To the List and Wm. Spurlock@saving Graves Last night I received a Phone Call from Fred Uhl, the Morgan Twp. Harrison Co. Trustee. He is the man designated to care for this cemetery. After a meeting the 6th of March at the cemetery, With a Representative of the Nature Preserve, A Division of the DNR, and a Rep. of the Nature Conservancy., Trustee Fred Uhl, and myself, we struck a Compromise agreeable to all 4. The Cemetery will be Burned every 4-5 years at a height of 6 inches after it is mowed. It will be mowed November 1st. That allows about 7 months out of the year when the cemetery can be visited by the Elderly, the Handicapped and Small Children as should any cemetery in INDIANA Today it looked like a Cemetery should.!! First I would like to thank the Representative of the N.P. and the DNR for their willingness to cooperate, and make concessions, as I also had to make some of my own. They knew what they wanted and I knew what I wanted. We met in the middle with the Trustee, and we all came out winners I still don't approve of burning a cemetery, but on this one I will conduct my own study for damage. At 6 inches I believe it will be very minimal if at all. Good things can happen when everyone works together toward a logical conclusion. I also wish to Thank Trustee Fred Uhl, He was sort of in the middle, but did a very fine clean up a fine job. I have photos taken the day Bill Spurlock got the E-mail about the condition. I took them about an hour after I read about it. This afternoon I took 24 more Photos. They are different. When I first went over the hill and saw it, My wife and I both thought we turned on the wrong road. I honestly believe I had tears in my eyes. I went across the road to the State Troopers house and asked how it looked. He said first, I hope you had permission. I answered everything he asked, and then he said it REALLY LOOKS GREAT. Now people can get in and visit. Now as soon as they get the standard White and Black sign I was promised, even mentioning St. Johns Cemetery as well as the Barrens, and get rid of the Monstrosity directly in front, I'll be happy. Well, I've talked to much, I will get the before, and after Photos on Line tomorrow, for those interested. as far as what has been accomplished, this is what I told my children," If you need help and only yell once, no one will listen, but keep it up and sooner or later someone will listen and help you". Being good Friday I feel Blessed. I've been Helped. Happy Easter, and don't forget the actual meaning of Sunday. Have fun To Jack E. Briles Sr. Po Box 444 New Albany, Floyd Co. In. 47151-0444 E-mail jb502000@aol.com

Walt, Whatever the motivation of these commissioners, hiring this man ahead of the recommended group is a sad backslide for Fayette Co. Your Cemetery Commission surely has an opinion, though members may not feel free to express it publicly. Do you have genealogy or preservation groups within your county? They could be your allies in expressing concerns. In my opinion when commissioners are unresponsive to the voters in the county, they should be voted out. If you have an election coming up in which these individuals are running, there's your opportunity. But I bet I don't need to give you ideas. Sharon At 09:18 AM 3/29/02, you wrote: >Sharon, > The person hired was not one of the three that the Cemetery Commission > took to them.What I can not understand is why did they ask the five > person board to take time to sift through 45 applications,have interviews > with eight and narrow it down to three,and just blindly put in their own > choice. > Freddie Lakes was the top choice of the Cemetery Commission solely on > his experience in restoration,he also is the only one beside myself that > knows the location of the 65 cemeteries,on two occasions he ran the > department,once while I was at the AGS Conference in Washington,and once > when I broke my hip.He played a huge part in the restoration of Martin > Cem.,Old Parrott , Tullis Chapel, Silas & Evans,Dawson & Merrick,and > Nulltown Cemetery. > It makes no sense to me. I have heard through the grapevine that a > comments from the Commissioners are things like,"Glad to be rid of > Walters,he created a monster that constantly needed fed". " That I was a > thorn in their side" > Why would they tear down a very active department that was showing > Fayette County leading in something besides unemployment? > Politics Go Figure! >You can count on me to keep an eye on the situation , and they thought I >was a thorn when I worked for them,believe me I am more than that now! > Wish me and Fayette County"s cemeteries luck! > >Walt >----- Original Message ----- >From: J & S Mills <mills@reliable-net.net> >To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:43 PM >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cattle damage Tulis Chapel Cemetery > > > > > > To what extent can a person on disability be employed without losing their > > disability status? Was he on the list that was narrowed down to three by > > the cemetery commission? If so, why? > > > > Sounds as if the county commissioners hired an old buddy instead of acting > > in the best interests of the citizenry...past and present. > > > > Sorry about this downer, Walt. > > > > Sharon Mills > > > > > > > > > > At 10:10 PM 3/28/02, John Walters wrote: > > >Tullis Chapel Cemetery is located in Fayette County,and was restored last > > >year or at least 90% restored. > > >This is the Cemetery we toured at the Open House for those of you that > was > > >here.It is the one we built the bridge over the creek to get the > equipment to. > > > This morning on my way to town I noticed an obelisk had fallen and went > > > on up to check it out.I was so upset to see 15 tombstones toppled, some > > > of the very stones restored last year. > > > I place the blame on the County Commissioners! > > >I resigned my position with Fayette County in December but gave them a 6 > > >week notice as I wanted to see a smooth transition and give some advice > > >and training to whomever took my place.They were in no hurry as a matter > > >of fact they came up with the idea to just contract the mowing out and > set > > >some money back for restoration.I went to the commissioners meeting and > > >voiced my concerns and really could not understand why they would kill a > > >productive Cemetery Department. > > >The Cemetery Commission had 45 applications for the position and narrowed > > >it down to three and handed them to the Commissioners .One of the > > >applicants was Freddie Lakes,Freddie has worked restoration with me for > > >two years,and in fact ran the Department when I broke my hip.They would > > >not hire Freddie nor did they hire any of the Cemetery Commissions > > >recommendations. > > > They hired a someone on disability that has no experience with > > > cemeteries at all. > > >The job description reads to monitor all cemeteries this guy has no clue > > >where they are at.I don't mean to carry on but I know that if they would > > >have hired someone in December ,the money was there to bring in Part-time > > >in on Feb.15th. > > > My point is they would have seen the downed fence,secured it and those > > > stones may not have been damaged.Now they lay broken again and for how > > > long.I am going to fix the fence tomorrow on my own,I can not stand to > > > see all the hard work done to that yard be neglected and destroyed by > cattle. > > > Thanks for listening. > > > Walt > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > >Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to > LoisMauk@usa.net. > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)

Sharon, The person hired was not one of the three that the Cemetery Commission took to them.What I can not understand is why did they ask the five person board to take time to sift through 45 applications,have interviews with eight and narrow it down to three,and just blindly put in their own choice. Freddie Lakes was the top choice of the Cemetery Commission solely on his experience in restoration,he also is the only one beside myself that knows the location of the 65 cemeteries,on two occasions he ran the department,once while I was at the AGS Conference in Washington,and once when I broke my hip.He played a huge part in the restoration of Martin Cem.,Old Parrott , Tullis Chapel, Silas & Evans,Dawson & Merrick,and Nulltown Cemetery. It makes no sense to me. I have heard through the grapevine that a comments from the Commissioners are things like,"Glad to be rid of Walters,he created a monster that constantly needed fed". " That I was a thorn in their side" Why would they tear down a very active department that was showing Fayette County leading in something besides unemployment? Politics Go Figure! You can count on me to keep an eye on the situation , and they thought I was a thorn when I worked for them,believe me I am more than that now! Wish me and Fayette County"s cemeteries luck! Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: J & S Mills <mills@reliable-net.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cattle damage Tulis Chapel Cemetery > > To what extent can a person on disability be employed without losing their > disability status? Was he on the list that was narrowed down to three by > the cemetery commission? If so, why? > > Sounds as if the county commissioners hired an old buddy instead of acting > in the best interests of the citizenry...past and present. > > Sorry about this downer, Walt. > > Sharon Mills > > > > > At 10:10 PM 3/28/02, John Walters wrote: > >Tullis Chapel Cemetery is located in Fayette County,and was restored last > >year or at least 90% restored. > >This is the Cemetery we toured at the Open House for those of you that was > >here.It is the one we built the bridge over the creek to get the equipment to. > > This morning on my way to town I noticed an obelisk had fallen and went > > on up to check it out.I was so upset to see 15 tombstones toppled, some > > of the very stones restored last year. > > I place the blame on the County Commissioners! > >I resigned my position with Fayette County in December but gave them a 6 > >week notice as I wanted to see a smooth transition and give some advice > >and training to whomever took my place.They were in no hurry as a matter > >of fact they came up with the idea to just contract the mowing out and set > >some money back for restoration.I went to the commissioners meeting and > >voiced my concerns and really could not understand why they would kill a > >productive Cemetery Department. > >The Cemetery Commission had 45 applications for the position and narrowed > >it down to three and handed them to the Commissioners .One of the > >applicants was Freddie Lakes,Freddie has worked restoration with me for > >two years,and in fact ran the Department when I broke my hip.They would > >not hire Freddie nor did they hire any of the Cemetery Commissions > >recommendations. > > They hired a someone on disability that has no experience with > > cemeteries at all. > >The job description reads to monitor all cemeteries this guy has no clue > >where they are at.I don't mean to carry on but I know that if they would > >have hired someone in December ,the money was there to bring in Part-time > >in on Feb.15th. > > My point is they would have seen the downed fence,secured it and those > > stones may not have been damaged.Now they lay broken again and for how > > long.I am going to fix the fence tomorrow on my own,I can not stand to > > see all the hard work done to that yard be neglected and destroyed by cattle. > > Thanks for listening. > > Walt > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. > > >

To what extent can a person on disability be employed without losing their disability status? Was he on the list that was narrowed down to three by the cemetery commission? If so, why? Sounds as if the county commissioners hired an old buddy instead of acting in the best interests of the citizenry...past and present. Sorry about this downer, Walt. Sharon Mills At 10:10 PM 3/28/02, John Walters wrote: >Tullis Chapel Cemetery is located in Fayette County,and was restored last >year or at least 90% restored. >This is the Cemetery we toured at the Open House for those of you that was >here.It is the one we built the bridge over the creek to get the equipment to. > This morning on my way to town I noticed an obelisk had fallen and went > on up to check it out.I was so upset to see 15 tombstones toppled, some > of the very stones restored last year. > I place the blame on the County Commissioners! >I resigned my position with Fayette County in December but gave them a 6 >week notice as I wanted to see a smooth transition and give some advice >and training to whomever took my place.They were in no hurry as a matter >of fact they came up with the idea to just contract the mowing out and set >some money back for restoration.I went to the commissioners meeting and >voiced my concerns and really could not understand why they would kill a >productive Cemetery Department. >The Cemetery Commission had 45 applications for the position and narrowed >it down to three and handed them to the Commissioners .One of the >applicants was Freddie Lakes,Freddie has worked restoration with me for >two years,and in fact ran the Department when I broke my hip.They would >not hire Freddie nor did they hire any of the Cemetery Commissions >recommendations. > They hired a someone on disability that has no experience with > cemeteries at all. >The job description reads to monitor all cemeteries this guy has no clue >where they are at.I don't mean to carry on but I know that if they would >have hired someone in December ,the money was there to bring in Part-time >in on Feb.15th. > My point is they would have seen the downed fence,secured it and those > stones may not have been damaged.Now they lay broken again and for how > long.I am going to fix the fence tomorrow on my own,I can not stand to > see all the hard work done to that yard be neglected and destroyed by cattle. > Thanks for listening. > Walt > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

In a message dated 3/28/02 9:08:00 PM US Eastern Standard Time, graveyardgroomer@skyenet.net writes: > I am going to fix the fence tomorrow on my own,I can not stand to see all > the hard work done to that yard be neglected and destroyed by cattle. > Thanks for listening. > Walt > > > John, Been there, done that, I haven't figured out yet why I havent quit, when I see a pure waste of all that time on repairs. Mine is all done at my own expense anyhow. Hang in there, Jack E. Briles Sr. Po Box 444 New Albany, Floyd Co. In. 47151-0444 E-mail jb502000@aol.com

Tullis Chapel Cemetery is located in Fayette County,and was restored last year or at least 90% restored. This is the Cemetery we toured at the Open House for those of you that was here.It is the one we built the bridge over the creek to get the equipment to. This morning on my way to town I noticed an obelisk had fallen and went on up to check it out.I was so upset to see 15 tombstones toppled, some of the very stones restored last year. I place the blame on the County Commissioners! I resigned my position with Fayette County in December but gave them a 6 week notice as I wanted to see a smooth transition and give some advice and training to whomever took my place.They were in no hurry as a matter of fact they came up with the idea to just contract the mowing out and set some money back for restoration.I went to the commissioners meeting and voiced my concerns and really could not understand why they would kill a productive Cemetery Department. The Cemetery Commission had 45 applications for the position and narrowed it down to three and handed them to the Commissioners .One of the applicants was Freddie Lakes,Freddie has worked restoration with me for two years,and in fact ran the Department when I broke my hip.They would not hire Freddie nor did they hire any of the Cemetery Commissions recommendations. They hired a someone on disability that has no experience with cemeteries at all. The job description reads to monitor all cemeteries this guy has no clue where they are at.I don't mean to carry on but I know that if they would have hired someone in December ,the money was there to bring in Part-time in on Feb.15th. My point is they would have seen the downed fence,secured it and those stones may not have been damaged.Now they lay broken again and for how long.I am going to fix the fence tomorrow on my own,I can not stand to see all the hard work done to that yard be neglected and destroyed by cattle. Thanks for listening. Walt

With a well placed special request these stones may be placed into a private or other cemetery other than a National Cemetery. I have a great Uncle in a mass grave in Tennesee and his CWmemorial stone is in a private cemetery in OK with the rest of his family. Don Huffman crfordy@citlink.net

http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrpselector.html You may want to check the county list above on the link and see if there is a coordinator for the county you are submitting. Not sure if you want to submit a problem or a cemetery name. L. A. Clugh~Tippecanoe ----- Original Message ----- From: <DDB1800@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:46 AM Subject: [INPCRP] Submitting Pioneer Cemetery?? > Can I submit a Pioneer Cemetery to this mailing list? > >

Can I submit a Pioneer Cemetery to this mailing list?

If the cemetery is ever vandalized, then you might be able to use that information as "proof" that there is no longer a stone. Oops, did I just give people a reason to vandalize a cemetery? :-) I hope not. But since it happens all the time, there could be one small advantage from it. I have a relative who has a stone in a cemetery a distance from the rest of the stone. In an area which was most likely the old church site. It looks like a government stone, but I was sure the man wasn't buried there. He left Crawford Co. IL for Texas and was killed in a border war, I think. Father and son had the same name, one died in Mexico. Can't remember which the stone was for. Now it makes sense, that this is a memorial stone. Always had me baffled. Sharon Howell

Dear Donna: The County Cemetery Commissions page, such as it is, can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/commissions.html NOTE: It is not been edited since Sept. 2001. If you have additional info, please forward it to me. Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Tauber" <dtauber@kiva.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Commission > I have invited the Township Trustees to our next Cemetery Commission meeting, > and as a Township Trustee myself, I am hoping we can work together on these > issues. I think the more networking and public awareness we can do, the more we > might be able to get things done, and hopefully the money will come. How do I > find Lois's web page? > Donna

Kyle, I would think that the obit would be proof enough. Ernie At 09:24 PM 03/24/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Also, I have reason to believe I have an unmarked Confederate soldier buried >in my cemetery, the only one with 38 Union vets also buried here. Because I >can't 'prove' he is here (obit says so, and I think I know where) I don't >think I'll have much luck in getting the stone from the government. Any >suggestions? > >Kyle

Jon: I know of a situation in my local cemetery where there is a stone for a Union soldier who died at the battle of Shiloh. It was only through scouring the newspapers for obits that I discovered an article where his brother visited the battlefield and his grave in Tennessee. The stone that I show in my cemetery records was actually a duplicate. He's not buried here at all, and it is a government stone. Also, I have reason to believe I have an unmarked Confederate soldier buried in my cemetery, the only one with 38 Union vets also buried here. Because I can't 'prove' he is here (obit says so, and I think I know where) I don't think I'll have much luck in getting the stone from the government. Any suggestions? Kyle

I have invited the Township Trustees to our next Cemetery Commission meeting, and as a Township Trustee myself, I am hoping we can work together on these issues. I think the more networking and public awareness we can do, the more we might be able to get things done, and hopefully the money will come. How do I find Lois's web page? Donna jon andrews wrote: > Donna: > I think Lois collected info. on Cemetery Commissions for her web page. I am > all for forming a group or association. We could get together and see how it > done in your County. Form a lobby and maybe we can be bigger and more > powerful than the Township Trustees. HA! As far as mission statements go, > I'd worry more about funding, because without money to work with, it gets > old fast. They don't have to fund you, by law and chances are they won't. > Jon Andrews > Knox County Cemetery Commission > > >From: Donna Tauber <dtauber@kiva.net> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery Commission > >Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:14:15 -0500 > > > >As the president of a newly formed Cemetery Commission here in Indiana, > >I have recently completed our necessary by-laws. Does anyone have > >suggestions for a brief 'mission statement?' Has there been yet a > >'support group' or an Alliance yet formed for the Indiana Cemetery > >Commissions to work together and share ideas? > >Donna Tauber > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > >have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

Donna: I think Lois collected info. on Cemetery Commissions for her web page. I am all for forming a group or association. We could get together and see how it done in your County. Form a lobby and maybe we can be bigger and more powerful than the Township Trustees. HA! As far as mission statements go, I'd worry more about funding, because without money to work with, it gets old fast. They don't have to fund you, by law and chances are they won't. Jon Andrews Knox County Cemetery Commission >From: Donna Tauber <dtauber@kiva.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery Commission >Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:14:15 -0500 > >As the president of a newly formed Cemetery Commission here in Indiana, >I have recently completed our necessary by-laws. Does anyone have >suggestions for a brief 'mission statement?' Has there been yet a >'support group' or an Alliance yet formed for the Indiana Cemetery >Commissions to work together and share ideas? >Donna Tauber > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx