Ernie, If you need help with the unit or enlisted/muster out info on a CW veteran let me know.I will do a lookup on them for you(as many as you need). Also as a wild guess....could AR mean Adjutant Report? I can also help you with US Colored troops and some CSA soldier info. Mark Davis Hartford City,IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <elasley@sigecom.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats > Jon, > > Actually, there are several numbers on the form GR2 record, "Cemetery > Record of Deceased Veterans". On the left side is the number that > corresponds to the Veteran number. The next column is the Veteran's name, > then grave number, lot number, block number, section number, and > remarks. Not all cemeteries have all the columns filled in. Many have > grave number, and the "block no." column has "row" typed in. Some have > "AR." typed in the column headings, I have not yet figured out what the AR. > stands for. > > In previous posts we talked about the width and depth of the grids, which > are numbered as rows and graves. On many of these, grave 1 row 1 is in the > Northwest corner of the cemetery. Many of the smaller cemeteries only > have the grave number column and the row number column filled in. The > remarks column is filled in with what war the Veteran was in. Some are > filled in with only "--------." which I am assuming means they could not > determine what war the Veteran was in, or perhaps he served between > wars. Some of these government markers list only name and unit, somtimes > impossible to determine year(s) of service. WWI is noted only as "World." > > The cards are "Graves Registration Form 1 - The American Legion." They > contain lines for Name, Serial No., Home Address, Born, Where, Died, > Cemetery, County, Grave No., Lot, Blk., Row, Sec., War, Rank, Outfit, > Enlisted, Discharged, and Remarks. I have not seen any with all this > information filled in. > > Ernie > > > At 10:06 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >We must not have a direct list because we have no numbers. > >Jon > > > >>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley@sigecom.net> > >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats > >>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:55:51 -0500 > >> > >>Re: Cards, numbers & symbols. > >> > >>A plus sign or cross repersents a government upright marker. > >>A square represents a government flat marker. > >>A circle represents a private marker. > >>An I represents no marker.On the plat is a symbol, a dash, and a > >>number. The number represents the number of the Veteran on the list for > >>that cemetery. > >>0 - 8 on the plat would indicate that a private marker marks the grave of > >>the 8th Veteran on the list. > >> > >>Ernie > >> > >>At 08:35 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>Mark, > >>>I do not know of a WPA listing, except that they marked the maps with an X > >>>or different symbol for a veteran's grave, denoting either private or > >>>government stone. > >>>We have a set of 3" x 5" file cards done during this time, 1939-40, by I > >>>presume the American Legion. It has always been a mystery as to or whether > >>>these cards actually go with the plats or were done seperately. As to how > >>>complete it is, I would say at least 95%. The other mystery is that the > >>>one and only one file drawer is marked "drawer 1". Does that mean there > >>>might be a second drawer? Or a third? These cards have now been > >>>alphabetized and copied in a two volume set, three cards to the page. > >>>The NARA now has microfilm rolls of cards of veteran's stones. Are these > >>>the same thing? I don't think so, because they supposedly list the > >>>contractor who made the stone, etc. They are available in Ft. Wayne. I > >>>have not viewed them, yet. > >>>Jon Andrews > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: "mark davis" <md9105@skyenet.net> > >>>>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >>>>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >>>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats > >>>>Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:22:01 -0500 > >>>> > >>>>Jon, > >>>> > >>>>Did the WPA do a complete listing of the veterans buried in Knox county in > >>>>the late 30's or early 40's when they did the plot maps? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Mark Davis > >>>>Hartford City,IN > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> > >>>>To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>>Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:54 PM > >>>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On our Knox County maps we have both grids and what appears to be plots > >>>>with > >>>> > sidewalks (walkways). None of them are completely accurate, nor are they > >>>>all > >>>> > done by the same man. Some are definitely better than others. There > >>>> is an > >>>> > article in the local newspaper, about 1940, which talks about the > >>>> surveys > >>>> > done and that the men got $5.00 for each recorded cemetery. I assume > >>>> that > >>>> > was decent money for the time and the fact that they only did the ones > >>>>easy > >>>> > to get to and that some men had to be replaced because of there > >>>> inability > >>>>to > >>>> > stay out of the tavern. So, maybe blurred vision explains why they were > >>>>just > >>>> > a little bit off in their measurements. We also have a few which are > >>>> from > >>>> > adjoining counties mixed in and a few we can't even find. > >>>> > Jon Andrews > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >From: KidClerk@aol.com > >>>> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >>>> > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >>>> > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats > >>>> > >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:42:44 EDT > >>>> > > > >>>> > >I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is > >>>> one of > >>>> > >the > >>>> > >counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, for > >>>> > >whatever > >>>> > >it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years ago or > >>>> > >more. > >>>> > > While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for one > >>>> > >grave, > >>>> > >(30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records > >>>>indicating > >>>> > >graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does > >>>> make > >>>> > >sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less grave > >>>>space > >>>> > >was required. > >>>> > > > >>>> > >Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some of the > >>>> > >grids > >>>> > >are "lots" and not single graves. > >>>> > > > >>>> > >-Kyle D. Conrad > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >>>> > >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _________________________________________________________________ > >>>> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >>>>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >>>> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > >>>> > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > >>>> > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >>>>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > >>>>have." > >>>> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >>> > >>> > >>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > >>>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >>> > >>> > >>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >>>Please do not send queries through this list. > >> > >> > >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >>If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >

Jon, Actually, there are several numbers on the form GR2 record, "Cemetery Record of Deceased Veterans". On the left side is the number that corresponds to the Veteran number. The next column is the Veteran's name, then grave number, lot number, block number, section number, and remarks. Not all cemeteries have all the columns filled in. Many have grave number, and the "block no." column has "row" typed in. Some have "AR." typed in the column headings, I have not yet figured out what the AR. stands for. In previous posts we talked about the width and depth of the grids, which are numbered as rows and graves. On many of these, grave 1 row 1 is in the Northwest corner of the cemetery. Many of the smaller cemeteries only have the grave number column and the row number column filled in. The remarks column is filled in with what war the Veteran was in. Some are filled in with only "--------." which I am assuming means they could not determine what war the Veteran was in, or perhaps he served between wars. Some of these government markers list only name and unit, somtimes impossible to determine year(s) of service. WWI is noted only as "World." The cards are "Graves Registration Form 1 - The American Legion." They contain lines for Name, Serial No., Home Address, Born, Where, Died, Cemetery, County, Grave No., Lot, Blk., Row, Sec., War, Rank, Outfit, Enlisted, Discharged, and Remarks. I have not seen any with all this information filled in. Ernie At 10:06 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >We must not have a direct list because we have no numbers. >Jon > >>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley@sigecom.net> >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:55:51 -0500 >> >>Re: Cards, numbers & symbols. >> >>A plus sign or cross repersents a government upright marker. >>A square represents a government flat marker. >>A circle represents a private marker. >>An I represents no marker.On the plat is a symbol, a dash, and a >>number. The number represents the number of the Veteran on the list for >>that cemetery. >>0 - 8 on the plat would indicate that a private marker marks the grave of >>the 8th Veteran on the list. >> >>Ernie >> >>At 08:35 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>Mark, >>>I do not know of a WPA listing, except that they marked the maps with an X >>>or different symbol for a veteran's grave, denoting either private or >>>government stone. >>>We have a set of 3" x 5" file cards done during this time, 1939-40, by I >>>presume the American Legion. It has always been a mystery as to or whether >>>these cards actually go with the plats or were done seperately. As to how >>>complete it is, I would say at least 95%. The other mystery is that the >>>one and only one file drawer is marked "drawer 1". Does that mean there >>>might be a second drawer? Or a third? These cards have now been >>>alphabetized and copied in a two volume set, three cards to the page. >>>The NARA now has microfilm rolls of cards of veteran's stones. Are these >>>the same thing? I don't think so, because they supposedly list the >>>contractor who made the stone, etc. They are available in Ft. Wayne. I >>>have not viewed them, yet. >>>Jon Andrews >>> >>> >>>>From: "mark davis" <md9105@skyenet.net> >>>>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>>Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:22:01 -0500 >>>> >>>>Jon, >>>> >>>>Did the WPA do a complete listing of the veterans buried in Knox county in >>>>the late 30's or early 40's when they did the plot maps? >>>> >>>> >>>>Mark Davis >>>>Hartford City,IN >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> >>>>To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:54 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>> >>>> >>>> > On our Knox County maps we have both grids and what appears to be plots >>>>with >>>> > sidewalks (walkways). None of them are completely accurate, nor are they >>>>all >>>> > done by the same man. Some are definitely better than others. There >>>> is an >>>> > article in the local newspaper, about 1940, which talks about the >>>> surveys >>>> > done and that the men got $5.00 for each recorded cemetery. I assume >>>> that >>>> > was decent money for the time and the fact that they only did the ones >>>>easy >>>> > to get to and that some men had to be replaced because of there >>>> inability >>>>to >>>> > stay out of the tavern. So, maybe blurred vision explains why they were >>>>just >>>> > a little bit off in their measurements. We also have a few which are >>>> from >>>> > adjoining counties mixed in and a few we can't even find. >>>> > Jon Andrews >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >From: KidClerk@aol.com >>>> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>> > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>> > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>> > >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:42:44 EDT >>>> > > >>>> > >I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is >>>> one of >>>> > >the >>>> > >counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, for >>>> > >whatever >>>> > >it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years ago or >>>> > >more. >>>> > > While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for one >>>> > >grave, >>>> > >(30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records >>>>indicating >>>> > >graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does >>>> make >>>> > >sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less grave >>>>space >>>> > >was required. >>>> > > >>>> > >Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some of the >>>> > >grids >>>> > >are "lots" and not single graves. >>>> > > >>>> > >-Kyle D. Conrad >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>> > >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>>> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>>>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of >>>> > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>> > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >>>>have." >>>> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) >>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >>>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >>> >>> >>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>Please do not send queries through this list. >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) >

Mark, I do not know of a WPA listing, except that they marked the maps with an X or different symbol for a veteran's grave, denoting either private or government stone. We have a set of 3" x 5" file cards done during this time, 1939-40, by I presume the American Legion. It has always been a mystery as to or whether these cards actually go with the plats or were done seperately. As to how complete it is, I would say at least 95%. The other mystery is that the one and only one file drawer is marked "drawer 1". Does that mean there might be a second drawer? Or a third? These cards have now been alphabetized and copied in a two volume set, three cards to the page. The NARA now has microfilm rolls of cards of veteran's stones. Are these the same thing? I don't think so, because they supposedly list the contractor who made the stone, etc. They are available in Ft. Wayne. I have not viewed them, yet. Jon Andrews >From: "mark davis" <md9105@skyenet.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:22:01 -0500 > >Jon, > >Did the WPA do a complete listing of the veterans buried in Knox county in >the late 30's or early 40's when they did the plot maps? > > >Mark Davis >Hartford City,IN > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> >To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:54 PM >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats > > > > On our Knox County maps we have both grids and what appears to be plots >with > > sidewalks (walkways). None of them are completely accurate, nor are they >all > > done by the same man. Some are definitely better than others. There is >an > > article in the local newspaper, about 1940, which talks about the >surveys > > done and that the men got $5.00 for each recorded cemetery. I assume >that > > was decent money for the time and the fact that they only did the ones >easy > > to get to and that some men had to be replaced because of there >inability >to > > stay out of the tavern. So, maybe blurred vision explains why they were >just > > a little bit off in their measurements. We also have a few which are >from > > adjoining counties mixed in and a few we can't even find. > > Jon Andrews > > > > > > >From: KidClerk@aol.com > > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats > > >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:42:44 EDT > > > > > >I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is one >of > > >the > > >counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, for > > >whatever > > >it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years ago or > > >more. > > > While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for one > > >grave, > > >(30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records >indicating > > >graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does >make > > >sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less grave >space > > >was required. > > > > > >Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some of the > > >grids > > >are "lots" and not single graves. > > > > > >-Kyle D. Conrad > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

GRAVE REGISTRATION FILES In the late 1930's the Adjutant General of the State of Indiana acted as a sponsor of a WPA project to list the names and burial places of veterans buried in Indiana. The American legion, in cooperation with the Adjutant General, organized a Graves Registration Committee in each county to direct the project. Three types of records were made, 1) Plats of all cemeteries, both public and private, in which veterans were buried; 2) List by county and by cemetery within each county; 3) A card index under the name of each veteran. With the approach of World War II a listing had been made of veterans who died and had been buried to about the year 1940. The project was discontinued after that time, and the records deposited with the Adjutant General were transferred to the Archives Division. Records received and now on file in the Archives Division cover the following counties: Adams, Blackford, Cass, Clark, Clay, Crawford, Daviess, DeKalb, Delaware, Elkhart, Floyd, Gibson, Grant, Greene, Harrison, Howard, Huntington, Jasper, Jay, Johnson, Knox, Kosciusko, LaGrange, Lake, LaPorte, Lawrence, Madison, Marion, Marshall, Martin, Miami, Monroe, Montgomery, Morgan, Orange, Owen, Parke, Pulaski, St. Joseph, Spencer, Starke, Steuben, Sullivan, Tipton, Vanderburgh, Vermillion, Vigo and Washington. We have been informed that some of the records not transferred may remain on file in the counties, either in the court houses, or with the American Legion Posts. After World War II the State Graves Registration Committee was reactivated and work was resumed in a few counties. At the present time there appears to be little activity, either on the state or county level. It is possible that the American Legion Post Adjutant, or one of the officers in each county may be of assistance in securing records which have not been transferred to the Archives Division, or, in reviving the project. M.P. This undated letter is the only document that could be found in the Indiana State Archives Division, that mentions the Grave Registration project. David W Foster Monroe County

Re: Cards, numbers & symbols. A plus sign or cross repersents a government upright marker. A square represents a government flat marker. A circle represents a private marker. An I represents no marker.On the plat is a symbol, a dash, and a number. The number represents the number of the Veteran on the list for that cemetery. 0 - 8 on the plat would indicate that a private marker marks the grave of the 8th Veteran on the list. Ernie At 08:35 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Mark, >I do not know of a WPA listing, except that they marked the maps with an X >or different symbol for a veteran's grave, denoting either private or >government stone. >We have a set of 3" x 5" file cards done during this time, 1939-40, by I >presume the American Legion. It has always been a mystery as to or whether >these cards actually go with the plats or were done seperately. As to how >complete it is, I would say at least 95%. The other mystery is that the >one and only one file drawer is marked "drawer 1". Does that mean there >might be a second drawer? Or a third? These cards have now been >alphabetized and copied in a two volume set, three cards to the page. >The NARA now has microfilm rolls of cards of veteran's stones. Are these >the same thing? I don't think so, because they supposedly list the >contractor who made the stone, etc. They are available in Ft. Wayne. I >have not viewed them, yet. >Jon Andrews > > >>From: "mark davis" <md9105@skyenet.net> >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:22:01 -0500 >> >>Jon, >> >>Did the WPA do a complete listing of the veterans buried in Knox county in >>the late 30's or early 40's when they did the plot maps? >> >> >>Mark Davis >>Hartford City,IN >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> >>To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:54 PM >>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >> >> >> > On our Knox County maps we have both grids and what appears to be plots >>with >> > sidewalks (walkways). None of them are completely accurate, nor are they >>all >> > done by the same man. Some are definitely better than others. There is an >> > article in the local newspaper, about 1940, which talks about the surveys >> > done and that the men got $5.00 for each recorded cemetery. I assume that >> > was decent money for the time and the fact that they only did the ones >>easy >> > to get to and that some men had to be replaced because of there inability >>to >> > stay out of the tavern. So, maybe blurred vision explains why they were >>just >> > a little bit off in their measurements. We also have a few which are from >> > adjoining counties mixed in and a few we can't even find. >> > Jon Andrews >> > >> > >> > >From: KidClerk@aol.com >> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >> > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >> > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >> > >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:42:44 EDT >> > > >> > >I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is one of >> > >the >> > >counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, for >> > >whatever >> > >it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years ago or >> > >more. >> > > While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for one >> > >grave, >> > >(30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records >>indicating >> > >graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does make >> > >sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less grave >>space >> > >was required. >> > > >> > >Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some of the >> > >grids >> > >are "lots" and not single graves. >> > > >> > >-Kyle D. Conrad >> > > >> > > >> > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >> > >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >> > >> > >> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of >> > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >> > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) >> > >> > >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." >> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Please do not send queries through this list. >

David, I have submitted almost 10,000 burial sites of Indiana CW soldiers to the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War National Grave Registration Project.I am trying not to duplicate effort and appreciate this info. I think I had seen it before in the SUV newsletter. If you are looking for a CW veteran burial in the counties not mentioned let me know. I MAY be able to help.Emphasis on MAY. Mark Davis PS- I also record the Rev War,1812,Mex War burials I come across, but nothing after the CW. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kadyfoster@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: [INPCRP] WPA GRAVE REGISTRATION > GRAVE REGISTRATION FILES > > In the late 1930's the Adjutant General of the State of Indiana acted as > a sponsor of a WPA project to list the names and burial places of veterans > buried in Indiana. > > The American legion, in cooperation with the Adjutant General, organized > a Graves Registration Committee in each county to direct the project. Three > types of records were made, 1) Plats of all cemeteries, both public and > private, in which veterans were buried; 2) List by county and by cemetery > within each county; 3) A card index under the name of each veteran. > > With the approach of World War II a listing had been made of veterans > who died and had been buried to about the year 1940. The project was > discontinued after that time, and the records deposited with the Adjutant > General were transferred to the Archives Division. Records received and now > on file in the Archives Division cover the following counties: > > Adams, Blackford, Cass, Clark, Clay, Crawford, Daviess, DeKalb, > Delaware, Elkhart, Floyd, Gibson, Grant, Greene, Harrison, Howard, > Huntington, Jasper, Jay, Johnson, Knox, Kosciusko, LaGrange, Lake, LaPorte, > Lawrence, Madison, Marion, Marshall, Martin, Miami, Monroe, Montgomery, > Morgan, Orange, Owen, Parke, Pulaski, St. Joseph, Spencer, Starke, Steuben, > Sullivan, Tipton, Vanderburgh, Vermillion, Vigo and Washington. > > We have been informed that some of the records not transferred may > remain on file in the counties, either in the court houses, or with the > American Legion Posts. > > After World War II the State Graves Registration Committee was > reactivated and work was resumed in a few counties. At the present time there > appears to be little activity, either on the state or county level. > > It is possible that the American Legion Post Adjutant, or one of the > officers in each county may be of assistance in securing records which have > not been transferred to the Archives Division, or, in reviving the project. > > > M.P. > > This undated letter is the only document that could be found in the > Indiana State Archives Division, that mentions the Grave Registration > project. > > David W Foster > Monroe County > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >

Just passing this on to everyone. http://technicalminded.com/pioneer I was with John "Walt" Walters and his wife,Micki, and Dawn Montgomery on Saturday for a couple hours of cemetery "fix". Dawn is a descendant of many of the folks who had passed on and are buried in this little, overlooked,but reasonably maintained cemetery in Blackford county,IN. According to my records about 10 Civil war veterans are buried there and John Twibell, a Rev War soldier. I am always amazed at how well a stone can look after a little TLC, and an expert like Walt does his magic. He will forget more about cemetery restoration than I will ever know. One more cemetery will not fall into total disrepair. The mission continues. Mark Davis 4 Lakeview Ct. Hartford City,Indiana 47348 md9105@skyenet.net With malice toward none, with charity for all,with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right,let us strive on to finish the work we are in... A. Lincoln March 4,1865

On our Knox County maps we have both grids and what appears to be plots with sidewalks (walkways). None of them are completely accurate, nor are they all done by the same man. Some are definitely better than others. There is an article in the local newspaper, about 1940, which talks about the surveys done and that the men got $5.00 for each recorded cemetery. I assume that was decent money for the time and the fact that they only did the ones easy to get to and that some men had to be replaced because of there inability to stay out of the tavern. So, maybe blurred vision explains why they were just a little bit off in their measurements. We also have a few which are from adjoining counties mixed in and a few we can't even find. Jon Andrews >From: KidClerk@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:42:44 EDT > >I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is one of >the >counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, for >whatever >it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years ago or >more. > While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for one >grave, >(30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records indicating >graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does make >sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less grave space >was required. > >Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some of the >grids >are "lots" and not single graves. > >-Kyle D. Conrad > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Jon, Did the WPA do a complete listing of the veterans buried in Knox county in the late 30's or early 40's when they did the plot maps? Mark Davis Hartford City,IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats > On our Knox County maps we have both grids and what appears to be plots with > sidewalks (walkways). None of them are completely accurate, nor are they all > done by the same man. Some are definitely better than others. There is an > article in the local newspaper, about 1940, which talks about the surveys > done and that the men got $5.00 for each recorded cemetery. I assume that > was decent money for the time and the fact that they only did the ones easy > to get to and that some men had to be replaced because of there inability to > stay out of the tavern. So, maybe blurred vision explains why they were just > a little bit off in their measurements. We also have a few which are from > adjoining counties mixed in and a few we can't even find. > Jon Andrews > > > >From: KidClerk@aol.com > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats > >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:42:44 EDT > > > >I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is one of > >the > >counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, for > >whatever > >it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years ago or > >more. > > While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for one > >grave, > >(30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records indicating > >graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does make > >sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less grave space > >was required. > > > >Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some of the > >grids > >are "lots" and not single graves. > > > >-Kyle D. Conrad > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > >

Kyle, I believe you and Dale are correct, many seem to be lots. The average is 5 feet wide by 11 feet long, but there is no constant size in the 144 plats we have. Distances from roads and landmarks, and the outside demensions of the cemetery seem to be the two main uses for these plats. I do not think they would be too useful to lay out grave locations, other than giving approximate areas. Ernie Ernie At 02:42 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is one of the >counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, for whatever >it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years ago or more. > While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for one grave, >(30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records indicating >graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does make >sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less grave space >was required. > >Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some of the grids >are "lots" and not single graves. > >-Kyle D. Conrad > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.

Dale, We have found that several of the WPA plats for Gibson County are different, some indicating single grave spaces, some look like double grave lots, and other grids seem to be laid out as larger family plots. I would imagine that across the State there will be different variations of what the grids represent depending on who the WPA surveyor was and what information and measurements he was working with. Some show walkways & lanes, some do not, and some have different size grids on the same sheet. Many of the plats are fairly consistent with a grid 5 feet wide and 15 feet long, or vary slightly from that measurement. One shows 6 rows and 5 walkways in a distance of 80 feet. If the walkways are 4 feet, then the grid would be 10 feet long It measures 28 grids in 140 feet the other way, 5 feet wide per grid. Ernie At 10:02 AM 04/08/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Ernie: > >My question is more basic. You're indicating that the grids shown on the >plats are >graves - but when I was at the Archives I measured a single grid on the >original, >and it was 1" by 1/2". That, combined with the fact that there are often >two or >three veterans burials marked in one grid space, tell me that the grid system >marked on the plat is not a grid of graves, but a grid denoting size. I.E. if >there is a grid that is 10 x 10 with a scale of 1"=20 feet, it is not 100 >graves, >but an area that is 200 feet long and 100 feet wide. The graves will fall >where >they may inside the grid. > >Help! > >Dale >Dale Drake >Morgan Co History & Genealogy Assn > > >Ernie & Connie Lasley wrote: > > > Dale, > > > > We have the WPA plats for 144 cemeteries that were done in Gibson County in > > 1939 & 1940, and used these many times to locate old cemeteries. Two main > > obstacles were that the roads have moved in the last 60 years, and some old > > reference points and landmarks have changed. Most have been right where > > they said they were if we could figure out those changes. Sometimes they > > were not real clear on starting measuring points. One plat had a line and > > an arrow which indicated 1 3/10 miles from a curve in the road to a point > > where they measured 475' off the road to the corner of the cemetery. The > > actual starting point was at the edge of a small town 2/10 mile from the > > curve, so we were off that far on the starting point. The cemetery was > > actually 463' from the road, the road much wider and straighter than it was > > in 1939. In another one, it showed rhe road 75' from the cemetery where > > the road was actually directly beside the cemetery. Old County plats > > confirmed that the road had been straightened and improved. > > > > The actual grave plats are a different story. You are correct that the > > microfilm process has skewed the actual size scale. And there seems to be > > differences on what the squares represent. It seems to depend on how easy > > it was for them to determine actual demensions. The first one we worked > > with was fairly simple to determine, a grave was 2' 8" wide and 10' long, > > (7' grave, 3' walkway between the next row). Others appeared to be > > slightly over 5' wide and 11' long. By measuring the stones or bases > > still in place, it looks like these were laid out with a lot of 2 graves > > and a 4' walkway. On some, walkways and drives were platted. We found > > one where the drives no longer existed, but noticed the dates on the graves > > where the drives were platted were burials within the last 25 > > years. Apparently as they ran out of room they began to eliminate some > > drives and sell the space as lots. > > > > An easy test of lot widths and depths is to find a cemetery that has been > > maintained over the years where you can be fairly certain that the stones > > are in the original location, and has at least three or four Veteran's > > markers. Measure the distances between them and compare that to the > > number of spaces/rows on the WPA plat. The older deteriorated cemeteries > > will not be so easy, but will give you reference points when searching for > > graves and buried/missing markers. The objective of the project was to > > locate Veteran's markers, and at least that information seems to be > > accurate on most of ours. > > > > I think on some they estimated the size of a cemetery based on how many > > lots and rows it would take to square off a cemetery to include only a few > > markers. There were probably never that many lots/graves, but > > measurements between graves indicated that X number of graves and rows > > could be there. We have one that shows four rows of five graves, twenty > > graves total, but only seven graves exist in the cemetery. Others are not > > completely platted, one showing a 20' by 20' cemetery, and dotted lines > > indicating four rows. One plat on a still-active cemetery shows larger > > sections that seem to be eight and 12 grave family plots, but do not have > > individual graves marked out. > > > > It seems to all depend on what crew measured and drew the plat, how well > > they could obtain accurate measurements on original stone locations, and > > whether or not they could determine actual outer boundaries of the cemetery > > and the actual number of lots contained within. > > > > Ernie > > > > At 09:15 AM 04/05/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >To all: > > > > > >I have a question on how to interpret the WPA cemetery plats. At first I > > >thought the grid indicated graves, but in examining cemeteries with marked > > >military burials, sometimes two burials are in one square. So we've > > >interpreted > > >the grid of rectangles to indicate overall size, and it is tied to the > > >legend at > > >the bottom of each cemetery, i.e. 1 inch = 20 feet. > > > > > >Now, if you're working from copies which were generated from > microfilm, you've > > >lost the actual size of the drawing. On the originals at the State > > >Archives the > > >grid squares are 1 inch (long side) by 1/2 inch (short side). You can > easily > > >calculate the size of the cemetery from this, although it's obvious that > > >the WPA > > >survey team was guessing many times. (As we do when we're standing in the > > >middle of a thicket trying to figure out where the edges are.) But it's a > > >start > > >- when you're showing the plat to the neighbors you can at least say > that in > > >1940 someone thought the cemetery was, say, 40 feet by 50 feet. > > > > > >Has anyone else worked with these plats? Are we interpreting them > > >correctly? I > > >find them incredibly valuable when trying to prove the existence of a > cemetery > > >which no longer has stones, particularly. > > > > > >And on plats ... the other old record to check for cemetery locations > are the > > >assessor plat books at your local courthouse. These are drawings of each > > >section of land, with property boundaries. We have a series on microfilm > > >which > > >were done every four years from 1903 through 1925 - cemeteries are > prominently > > >marked on these. Again, for one particular cemetery in this county > it's the > > >only formal proof we have that the cemetery existed. > > > > > >Dale > > > > > >Dale Drake > > >Morgan Co History & Genealogy Assn > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > >Please do not send queries through this list. > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >Cemeteries Restoration Project only.

I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is one of the counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, for whatever it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years ago or more. While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for one grave, (30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records indicating graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does make sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less grave space was required. Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some of the grids are "lots" and not single graves. -Kyle D. Conrad

Ernie: My question is more basic. You're indicating that the grids shown on the plats are graves - but when I was at the Archives I measured a single grid on the original, and it was 1" by 1/2". That, combined with the fact that there are often two or three veterans burials marked in one grid space, tell me that the grid system marked on the plat is not a grid of graves, but a grid denoting size. I.E. if there is a grid that is 10 x 10 with a scale of 1"=20 feet, it is not 100 graves, but an area that is 200 feet long and 100 feet wide. The graves will fall where they may inside the grid. Help! Dale Dale Drake Morgan Co History & Genealogy Assn Ernie & Connie Lasley wrote: > Dale, > > We have the WPA plats for 144 cemeteries that were done in Gibson County in > 1939 & 1940, and used these many times to locate old cemeteries. Two main > obstacles were that the roads have moved in the last 60 years, and some old > reference points and landmarks have changed. Most have been right where > they said they were if we could figure out those changes. Sometimes they > were not real clear on starting measuring points. One plat had a line and > an arrow which indicated 1 3/10 miles from a curve in the road to a point > where they measured 475' off the road to the corner of the cemetery. The > actual starting point was at the edge of a small town 2/10 mile from the > curve, so we were off that far on the starting point. The cemetery was > actually 463' from the road, the road much wider and straighter than it was > in 1939. In another one, it showed rhe road 75' from the cemetery where > the road was actually directly beside the cemetery. Old County plats > confirmed that the road had been straightened and improved. > > The actual grave plats are a different story. You are correct that the > microfilm process has skewed the actual size scale. And there seems to be > differences on what the squares represent. It seems to depend on how easy > it was for them to determine actual demensions. The first one we worked > with was fairly simple to determine, a grave was 2' 8" wide and 10' long, > (7' grave, 3' walkway between the next row). Others appeared to be > slightly over 5' wide and 11' long. By measuring the stones or bases > still in place, it looks like these were laid out with a lot of 2 graves > and a 4' walkway. On some, walkways and drives were platted. We found > one where the drives no longer existed, but noticed the dates on the graves > where the drives were platted were burials within the last 25 > years. Apparently as they ran out of room they began to eliminate some > drives and sell the space as lots. > > An easy test of lot widths and depths is to find a cemetery that has been > maintained over the years where you can be fairly certain that the stones > are in the original location, and has at least three or four Veteran's > markers. Measure the distances between them and compare that to the > number of spaces/rows on the WPA plat. The older deteriorated cemeteries > will not be so easy, but will give you reference points when searching for > graves and buried/missing markers. The objective of the project was to > locate Veteran's markers, and at least that information seems to be > accurate on most of ours. > > I think on some they estimated the size of a cemetery based on how many > lots and rows it would take to square off a cemetery to include only a few > markers. There were probably never that many lots/graves, but > measurements between graves indicated that X number of graves and rows > could be there. We have one that shows four rows of five graves, twenty > graves total, but only seven graves exist in the cemetery. Others are not > completely platted, one showing a 20' by 20' cemetery, and dotted lines > indicating four rows. One plat on a still-active cemetery shows larger > sections that seem to be eight and 12 grave family plots, but do not have > individual graves marked out. > > It seems to all depend on what crew measured and drew the plat, how well > they could obtain accurate measurements on original stone locations, and > whether or not they could determine actual outer boundaries of the cemetery > and the actual number of lots contained within. > > Ernie > > At 09:15 AM 04/05/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >To all: > > > >I have a question on how to interpret the WPA cemetery plats. At first I > >thought the grid indicated graves, but in examining cemeteries with marked > >military burials, sometimes two burials are in one square. So we've > >interpreted > >the grid of rectangles to indicate overall size, and it is tied to the > >legend at > >the bottom of each cemetery, i.e. 1 inch = 20 feet. > > > >Now, if you're working from copies which were generated from microfilm, you've > >lost the actual size of the drawing. On the originals at the State > >Archives the > >grid squares are 1 inch (long side) by 1/2 inch (short side). You can easily > >calculate the size of the cemetery from this, although it's obvious that > >the WPA > >survey team was guessing many times. (As we do when we're standing in the > >middle of a thicket trying to figure out where the edges are.) But it's a > >start > >- when you're showing the plat to the neighbors you can at least say that in > >1940 someone thought the cemetery was, say, 40 feet by 50 feet. > > > >Has anyone else worked with these plats? Are we interpreting them > >correctly? I > >find them incredibly valuable when trying to prove the existence of a cemetery > >which no longer has stones, particularly. > > > >And on plats ... the other old record to check for cemetery locations are the > >assessor plat books at your local courthouse. These are drawings of each > >section of land, with property boundaries. We have a series on microfilm > >which > >were done every four years from 1903 through 1925 - cemeteries are prominently > >marked on these. Again, for one particular cemetery in this county it's the > >only formal proof we have that the cemetery existed. > > > >Dale > > > >Dale Drake > >Morgan Co History & Genealogy Assn > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >Please do not send queries through this list. > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.

Jon, Someone in this group, I don't remember who, told me the WPA used American Legion records for the Veterans Graves Registration Project. In Gibson, we had the maps, cards, and files from the Indiana State Archives microfilmed and keep it at the Princeton Library Genealogy room. Ernie At 11:18 PM 04/07/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Ernie: >Do you know who has the veteran grave registration cards for Gibson County >done by the American Legion in about 1940? These cards in Knox are with >the Veteran's Service Agency, stuck away in the basement of the court >house, and I just got the library to reproduce them in two bound volumes. >They some what correspond to the WPA maps. Where can I see the ones for Gibson? >Jon Andrews

Ernie: Do you know who has the veteran grave registration cards for Gibson County done by the American Legion in about 1940? These cards in Knox are with the Veteran's Service Agency, stuck away in the basement of the court house, and I just got the library to reproduce them in two bound volumes. They some what correspond to the WPA maps. Where can I see the ones for Gibson? Jon Andrews >From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley@sigecom.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 17:15:25 -0600 > >Dale, > >We have the WPA plats for 144 cemeteries that were done in Gibson County in >1939 & 1940, and used these many times to locate old cemeteries. Two main >obstacles were that the roads have moved in the last 60 years, and some old >reference points and landmarks have changed. Most have been right where >they said they were if we could figure out those changes. Sometimes they >were not real clear on starting measuring points. One plat had a line and >an arrow which indicated 1 3/10 miles from a curve in the road to a point >where they measured 475' off the road to the corner of the cemetery. The >actual starting point was at the edge of a small town 2/10 mile from the >curve, so we were off that far on the starting point. The cemetery was >actually 463' from the road, the road much wider and straighter than it was >in 1939. In another one, it showed rhe road 75' from the cemetery where >the road was actually directly beside the cemetery. Old County plats >confirmed that the road had been straightened and improved. > >The actual grave plats are a different story. You are correct that the >microfilm process has skewed the actual size scale. And there seems to be >differences on what the squares represent. It seems to depend on how easy >it was for them to determine actual demensions. The first one we worked >with was fairly simple to determine, a grave was 2' 8" wide and 10' long, >(7' grave, 3' walkway between the next row). Others appeared to be >slightly over 5' wide and 11' long. By measuring the stones or bases >still in place, it looks like these were laid out with a lot of 2 graves >and a 4' walkway. On some, walkways and drives were platted. We found >one where the drives no longer existed, but noticed the dates on the graves >where the drives were platted were burials within the last 25 >years. Apparently as they ran out of room they began to eliminate some >drives and sell the space as lots. > >An easy test of lot widths and depths is to find a cemetery that has been >maintained over the years where you can be fairly certain that the stones >are in the original location, and has at least three or four Veteran's >markers. Measure the distances between them and compare that to the >number of spaces/rows on the WPA plat. The older deteriorated cemeteries >will not be so easy, but will give you reference points when searching for >graves and buried/missing markers. The objective of the project was to >locate Veteran's markers, and at least that information seems to be >accurate on most of ours. > >I think on some they estimated the size of a cemetery based on how many >lots and rows it would take to square off a cemetery to include only a few >markers. There were probably never that many lots/graves, but >measurements between graves indicated that X number of graves and rows >could be there. We have one that shows four rows of five graves, twenty >graves total, but only seven graves exist in the cemetery. Others are not >completely platted, one showing a 20' by 20' cemetery, and dotted lines >indicating four rows. One plat on a still-active cemetery shows larger >sections that seem to be eight and 12 grave family plots, but do not have >individual graves marked out. > >It seems to all depend on what crew measured and drew the plat, how well >they could obtain accurate measurements on original stone locations, and >whether or not they could determine actual outer boundaries of the cemetery >and the actual number of lots contained within. > >Ernie > >At 09:15 AM 04/05/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>To all: >> >>I have a question on how to interpret the WPA cemetery plats. At first I >>thought the grid indicated graves, but in examining cemeteries with marked >>military burials, sometimes two burials are in one square. So we've >>interpreted >>the grid of rectangles to indicate overall size, and it is tied to the >>legend at >>the bottom of each cemetery, i.e. 1 inch = 20 feet. >> >>Now, if you're working from copies which were generated from microfilm, >>you've >>lost the actual size of the drawing. On the originals at the State >>Archives the >>grid squares are 1 inch (long side) by 1/2 inch (short side). You can >>easily >>calculate the size of the cemetery from this, although it's obvious that >>the WPA >>survey team was guessing many times. (As we do when we're standing in the >>middle of a thicket trying to figure out where the edges are.) But it's a >>start >>- when you're showing the plat to the neighbors you can at least say that >>in >>1940 someone thought the cemetery was, say, 40 feet by 50 feet. >> >>Has anyone else worked with these plats? Are we interpreting them >>correctly? I >>find them incredibly valuable when trying to prove the existence of a >>cemetery >>which no longer has stones, particularly. >> >>And on plats ... the other old record to check for cemetery locations are >>the >>assessor plat books at your local courthouse. These are drawings of each >>section of land, with property boundaries. We have a series on microfilm >>which >>were done every four years from 1903 through 1925 - cemeteries are >>prominently >>marked on these. Again, for one particular cemetery in this county it's >>the >>only formal proof we have that the cemetery existed. >> >>Dale >> >>Dale Drake >>Morgan Co History & Genealogy Assn >> >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>Please do not send queries through this list. > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

In a message dated 4/6/02 10:10:23 AM US Eastern Standard Time, andimac@charter.net writes: > Hello all, > > Andi, I thought I had it bad at Old St.Peters, Sonomish's Senior House and Pioneer Village is absolutely the most Irresponsible thing I have ever seen happen to a cemetery. If there is a Hell, a lot of the powers that be will be crowded at the Gates. I get a kick out of these so called Cemetery Preservationist. That is what happens to people when the Cemetery doesn't count anymore. Heck I forgot, they can't vote anymore! May God Bless the ones left in their "Final Resting Places" Sincerely, Jack E. Briles, Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 E-mail jb502000@aol.com

In a message dated 4/5/02 10:39:05 PM US Eastern Standard Time, rgreen@nlci.com writes: > Jack, > > I'll bet that there have been plenty of studies conducted on stone > materials similar to those used in cemeteries. Thermal shock is routinely > used in virtually all material testing. No, they didn't make tombstone > sized samples, stand them up in a field full of wild flowers and set fire > to the place once a year as a test; however, I'd be willing to bet that > there has been a great deal of lab testing that involved repetitive heating > and cooling at extreme temperatures. Rich, I agree with you, no test of Tombstone Sample have been set in a field and burned.! But was there ever any real concern about whether there was any long term damage or not. The burning have been quietly ongoing with no one voicing their shock. Well, I have. If no one brings the issue up, we will never know if we are saving some Tombstones, and allowing others to be destroyed. Bring on the Tests, I welcome them. But let's not compare the Old Apples and Oranges tests. Let's be sure they cover whatever pertains to the cemetery fires. They must simulate at least roughly the same conditions. Let's settle this one way or the other. What do we do if we discover this has caused long term future damage. I hate these type of discussions, but if it's wrong they are worth the effort. Jack E. Briles, Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 E-mail jb502000@aol.com

I know that university engineering depts will take on special needs projects for handicapped folks. It's a good way to provide sources for student projects, thesis subjects, etc. I wonder if we could interest one of our Indiana schools, or any other school for that matter, in looking at the question of burning in cemeteries? MaryAlice Parks

Hello all, This morning I uploaded our newest newsletter. It can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~wapsgs/WSCA/newsletters.htm. -------------- Andrea D. MacDonald "Andi" andimac@charter.net Washington State Cemetery Association http://www.rootsweb.com/~wapsgs/ "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

Now there's an idea, Jack. Take a bag of fertilizer with you every time you visit the cemetery. Maybe a little ky31 fescue seed, too. At 07:04 PM 04/05/2002 -0500, you wrote: >One of the reasons there is so little natural prairie left is because of >overfertilation touted, naturally, by the big fertilizer companies. >Overfertilization permits weeds to flourish. Don't know if this could be >the reason, but obviously, noone would fertilize a cemetery so maybe that's >why they thought it would be a good place to let prairie return. >MaryAlice Parks