Does anyone have a suggestion on which software to purchase for township cemetery records? Our clerk was looking at $450. for software. We just can't believe that is viable for a relatively small township with only a handful of open sites left. Any help would be appreciated. Marge

AGS has a program you might like. Check it out at their web site at http://www.gravestonestudies.org. Andi ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargeorJohnYetzke" <yetzkejm@qtm.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery Software > Does anyone have a suggestion on which software to purchase for township > cemetery records? Our clerk was looking at $450. for software. We just > can't believe that is viable for a relatively small township with only a > handful of open sites left. > Any help would be appreciated. > Marge > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." >

Dear Bob: As you signed up yet for one of the cemetery workshops scheduled from this summer? They are a great precursor for planning a cemetery clean-up. See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/ for info on the 5/11, 5/18 and 6/8/02 workshops. Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bjreal332@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Nothing goin on > What happened, no one doin anything to talk about. Iam not learning anything. > i wanted to clean a cemeterie this summer but i dont know how yet. i keep > waiting and no one is saying anything? What happened to the tree huggers > they arent talking either > > Bob > Bjreal332@aol.com > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >

how do I PLEASE unsubscribe from this? On Tuesday, May 7, 2002, at 10:34 PM, Lois Mauk wrote: > Dear Sandy: > > You and your neighbors may have some new tools in your arsenal, come > 7/1/2002. > > See http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/legislation.html for a summary of > House > Bill 1241 (now Public Law 155) and links to the language of the new > statutes. > > In a nutshell, P.L. 155 makes significant changes to the PROCEDURE which > must be followed in order to dismantle a cemetery. But the new language > will not kick in for almost two months. > > HOWEVER, a very important question that begs to be answered is, "Where > does > the Township Trustee stand on this issue?" You indicated that the site > was > turned over to the Trustee "years ago". I assume by this you mean that > the > property is actually DEEDED to the cemetery. You might also wish to > poll > the members of the Township Board to find out what side of the fence > they > are resting on. > > The site having been deeded over to the Trustee years ago is NOT > sufficient > to protect it from relocation, but it certainly could be helpful, IF the > Trustee is willing to stand up to the developers. > > Lois > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandy Hennis" <sand4606@yahoo.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:32 PM > Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery Relocation Questions > > >> Hello to everyone. >> >> I have a topic I would like to have addressed. It has come to my > attention that a cemetery in my area is being 'eyed' for relocation by a > developer. This cemetery was turned over to the area Trustee years ago > and > it is maintained by the Trustee. The last burial is believed to have > been > in the 1990's. The cemetery has over 100 graves, including Civil War > veterans, as well as veterans of WWI, WWII, and Korea. >> >> A developer working in the area has purchased a large tract of land >> and is > developing it. It has also purchased an area around this cemetery, > which > contains a church and grounds, with the cemetery being located behind > the > church. Some of the relatives of people buried there have gotten wind > of > the situation and they are absolutely against any attempt to move these > graves, as is the official in charge. >> >> I recall some discussion on this list about this type of problem. >> Could > you please re-address this topic. What would the developer have to do > to > relocate the graves, as far as permission, etc? It seems I recalled a > couple of horror stories about developers actually moving graves on a > court > order, without anyone knowing about it until it was a done deal. Is > there > anything that needs to be done to stop the relocation, or is it > possible? >> >> Please share your thoughts and experiences about this matter. >> >> Yours truly, >> >> Sandy Hennis > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, > IA > >

Hello Bob: We don't know what to do either, but we are out and cleaning and picking up the fallen stones and re-setting them in the ground. Caught poison ivy...that is one of the downers of this job, I guess. Keep up the good work. Where are you from? Joan Wray Tipton County ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bjreal332@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 1:38 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Nothing goin on > What happened, no one doin anything to talk about. Iam not learning anything. > i wanted to clean a cemeterie this summer but i dont know how yet. i keep > waiting and no one is saying anything? What happened to the tree huggers > they arent talking either > > Bob > Bjreal332@aol.com > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >

What happened, no one doin anything to talk about. Iam not learning anything. i wanted to clean a cemeterie this summer but i dont know how yet. i keep waiting and no one is saying anything? What happened to the tree huggers they arent talking either Bob Bjreal332@aol.com

Good job Lois! And where is Jack involved in all of this? He remains silent. Hey Jack.... :-) L. A. Clugh, Tippecanoe Co.

Thanks, UEB, for the link to the Star's editorial on Freedomland Cemetery (see http://www.indystar.com/article.php?editgraveyard24.html ) As most of you realize, there was a big error in that article. Below is the text of the Letter to the Editor that I just sent to the Star: Thank you for your 4/24/2002 editorial, "Graveyard teaches respect for history". I am very familiar with the Freedomland Cemetery in New Albany, IN, a "perpetual" community project of S. Ellen Jones Elementary School students and agree this is an important and valuable venture. There was one important error in your editorial, however, in the statement ". . . but each county has a cemetery commission appointed to fund and oversee maintenance". In actuality, each of Indiana's 92 counties MAY create county cemetery commissions under IC 23-14-67. To my knowledge, only TWENTY counties in the state have cemetery commissions, their status ranging from defunct or inactive to very active and their annual budgets running the gamut from $0 to $30,000 or more. Most cemetery commissions work in conjunction with Township Trustees, who have a statutory responsibility under IC 23-14-68 to care for cemeteries established before 1939 that have no funds for maintenance and on which property taxes are NOT assessed and paid. County cemetery commissions are volunteer positions and often make use of individuals working off community service sentences, inmate labor and civic groups to accomplish their goals of restoring these critically important historic sites. If your readers would like more information, they can visit the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project's website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp. Lois Mauk INPCRP State Coordinator

The editorial in today's issue of the Indianapolis star says a lot about respect for the pioneer graveyards.......... but all counties in Indiana do not have a cemetery commission as mentioned in this editorial! See it at this link. http://www.indystar.com/article.php?editgraveyard24.html UEB Henry County HCCC

I want to thank all who have replied to my query. I was at a loss to find those two cemeteries. I didn't think about a name change ie: Oak Lawn -Old Order Cemetery. [Pleasant Hill may have been divided into two or something like that as I do find a couple that sound close.North Pleasant Hill/ South etc.etc.] Pleasant Grove maybe ? but it was Union Cemetery. I didn't expect that either. I will try the No. Manchester Library too, good idea. Pleasant Hill.in Pleasant Twsp. !!! that figures. I was looking Chester, and Waltz. Thanks of that !! That is probably that one. Voila! Appreciate all your kindness...I was ready for a Hall of Shame here. Cemeteries moved for 'progress' ie a road, or renamed for what no reason? at least tell somebody !!!, bodies moved with no way to find them. I have folks who reappear in the darndest places. They don't make it easy to connect with loved ones of the far past unless they are " famous" whatever that means...what are people thinking. Things really are so much better for all the work you folks do though that's for sure..... I am not there in Indiana but I CAN tell people of all the great things that you'all know and do for the past and for historians and I do every chance I get...!!! Regards and thanks again Susanna Noe

What a great idea and a wonderful experience for the kids! MaryAlice Parks ----- Original Message ----- From: UEB <ueb@iei.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Youngsters Restore Cemetery > > This article appeared in Monday's issue of the Indy Star.... > Youngsters Restoring Historic Cemetery > http://www.indystar.com/article.php?freedom22.html > > UEB > Henry County > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. >

Brad, Is this what you were telling me about last week? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan-Dinius, Jeannie" <JRdinius@dnr.state.in.us> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Department of Veterans Affairs Looking for Volunteers > I got this press release in the mail and thought the project might interest > some on the list. > > Jeannie Regan-Dinius > Cemetery Registry Coordinator > Department of Natural Resources > Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology > 317/232-1646 > 317/232-0693 (fax) > 402 W. Washington Street RM W274 > Indianapolis, IN 46204-2739 > > > > > The National Cemetery Administration (NCA), part of the Department of > Veterans Affairs (VA), and Save Outdoor Sculpture! (SOS!), are partnering to > undertake an exciting new project to inventory and document for the first > time an estimated 300 major monuments dedicated to fallen soldiers. > > NCA is a Federal agency with jurisdiction over 153 cemetery properties in 42 > states and Puerto Rico, including national cemeteries and affiliated > soldiers', Government, and Confederate lots. Burials at more than two-thirds > of these properties date to the Civil War or earlier, when they were > administered by the U.S. Army. SOS! is part of Heritage Preservation, a > non-profit organization devoted to the preservation and care of many types > of historic resources, and it has more than 10 years' experience in > volunteers' survey of outdoor sculpture nationwide. > > The monuments are located in more than 100 NCA cemetery properties across > the country. NCA will provide volunteers with inventory forms and > instructions, cemetery maps, and 35mm film. Volunteers should be comfortable > taking photographs and measurements, and performing some basic research; > they will be responsible for supplying their own 35mm camera, the cost of > film development, and personal transportation. > > The monument- inventory project starts in spring 2002, with data collection > to be completed by September 2002. Volunteers will have several months to > complete the work-whether it's a survey of one monument or several. Upon > completion of the project, the information will be publicly accessible > on-line through another SOS! partner, the Smithsonian American Art Museum. > > Interested in volunteering, or know someone who might be? To sign up or > learn more about the project, visit our website at http://www.cem.va.pov. > Please contact us at one of the addresses below to indicate your interest in > participating in the memorials inventory. > > nca.memorials@mail.va.gov or OR Sara Amy Leach, Historian > National Cemetery Administration > Department of Veterans Affairs > 810 Vermont Ave., NW (402B4) > Washington, DC 20420 > > The deadline for contacting NCA to volunteer is May 8, 2002. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Please do not send queries through this list. > >

This article appeared in Monday's issue of the Indy Star.... Youngsters Restoring Historic Cemetery http://www.indystar.com/article.php?freedom22.html UEB Henry County

SUE: GOOD GIRL.....KEEP THE GOOD WORK UP. JOAN WRAY TIPTON, INDIANA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: [INPCRP] Senate Bill 2039 - OPPOSE the destruction of two historic cemeteries > Dear Senator Fitzgerald: > > As you know, Senate Bill 2039 for approval to expand O'Hare International Airport in Chicago, will also approve the destruction of two historic cemeteries known as St. John' Church Cemetery and the Methodist cemetery known as Rest Haven. I applaud your efforts to help save these places of eternal rest from the horrendous task of relocation that will disrupt that rest. > > I am a resident of California. My family came here in 1850 with the Gold Rush. They came here from Illinois. California also seems to believe that eternal rest is not truly eternal for, in the past several years, many cemeteries have been destroyed or adversely impacted by projects of modern devise. Much of the nation, as a whole, seems to be experiencing the same dilemma, as is apparent by emails and postings to the internet. > > In 1961, the California Appellate Court ruled against the Superior Court, the California Dept. of Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration in their efforts to approve the eminent domain taking of a portion of Eden Memorial Park Cemetery for the construction of the Santa Monica freeway in Los Angeles County. The Court ruled that a highway served no better public purpose than a cemetery. I would opine the same should apply to the expansion of the airport. > > On September 11th, 2001, the families of over 2,800 people lost loved ones in the worst attack the nation has ever known. Those families, Senator Fitzgerald, will never have a grave to visit to help them through their loss. In years to come, those families cannot take the next generation of their family to visit grandparents those children will never know. September 11th stole more than just their lives. It stole the tangible evidence of their very existence. > > That, Senator Fitzgerald, is what cemeteries are all about. Cemeteries are not just for the dead. They are for the living; so that we may always have a place to visit, to "talk" with our deceased loved ones, to share our happiness and our sorrows, and to continue the memories of those who have been lost to us. > > Senate Bill 2039, will not only cause the destruction of St. John's and Rest Haven, but will cause untold emotional anguish for the many living descendants of those persons now buried there. I would encourage you to continue your discourse regarding the adversity this expansion plan will thrust upon the dead and the living. This nation cannot continue to thrust aside the last homes of our nation's pioneering citizenry as if their value is less in death than it was in life. > > Respectfully, > > Sue Silver, President > El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission > a California 501(3)(c) Non-Profit Public Benefit Corporation > 2551 Deer Trail Lane > Cameron Park, CA 95682 > (530) 676-2889 > Email: ssilver1951@jps.net > Member, California Historic Cemetery Alliance > Sexton, El Dorado Cemetery (est. 1849), El Dorado Co., California > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > >

Dear Senator Fitzgerald: As you know, Senate Bill 2039 for approval to expand O'Hare International Airport in Chicago, will also approve the destruction of two historic cemeteries known as St. John' Church Cemetery and the Methodist cemetery known as Rest Haven. I applaud your efforts to help save these places of eternal rest from the horrendous task of relocation that will disrupt that rest. I am a resident of California. My family came here in 1850 with the Gold Rush. They came here from Illinois. California also seems to believe that eternal rest is not truly eternal for, in the past several years, many cemeteries have been destroyed or adversely impacted by projects of modern devise. Much of the nation, as a whole, seems to be experiencing the same dilemma, as is apparent by emails and postings to the internet. In 1961, the California Appellate Court ruled against the Superior Court, the California Dept. of Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration in their efforts to approve the eminent domain taking of a portion of Eden Memorial Park Cemetery for the construction of the Santa Monica freeway in Los Angeles County. The Court ruled that a highway served no better public purpose than a cemetery. I would opine the same should apply to the expansion of the airport. On September 11th, 2001, the families of over 2,800 people lost loved ones in the worst attack the nation has ever known. Those families, Senator Fitzgerald, will never have a grave to visit to help them through their loss. In years to come, those families cannot take the next generation of their family to visit grandparents those children will never know. September 11th stole more than just their lives. It stole the tangible evidence of their very existence. That, Senator Fitzgerald, is what cemeteries are all about. Cemeteries are not just for the dead. They are for the living; so that we may always have a place to visit, to "talk" with our deceased loved ones, to share our happiness and our sorrows, and to continue the memories of those who have been lost to us. Senate Bill 2039, will not only cause the destruction of St. John's and Rest Haven, but will cause untold emotional anguish for the many living descendants of those persons now buried there. I would encourage you to continue your discourse regarding the adversity this expansion plan will thrust upon the dead and the living. This nation cannot continue to thrust aside the last homes of our nation's pioneering citizenry as if their value is less in death than it was in life. Respectfully, Sue Silver, President El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission a California 501(3)(c) Non-Profit Public Benefit Corporation 2551 Deer Trail Lane Cameron Park, CA 95682 (530) 676-2889 Email: ssilver1951@jps.net Member, California Historic Cemetery Alliance Sexton, El Dorado Cemetery (est. 1849), El Dorado Co., California

I am trying to locate a couple cemeteries in central Indiana and wonder if any of you are familiar with them...1. Pleasant Hill, North Manchester area, Wabash Co., IN 2. Oak Lawn Cemetery, North Manchester area, Wabash Co., IN. I know they move folks around and also apparently whole cemeteries ie: Vernon to Mississinewa etc. so perhaps Pleasant Hill has been redone. I think I might have found some records about Oak Lawn and found they have moved some old graves TO it so guess it is still there somewhere. I never realized they moved folks around so much... Learn something new every day... any info appreciated or either of the above. Thanks Lois. Sue Noe

is the list down Bob Bjreal332@aol.com

I got this one Bjreal332@aol.com wrote: > is the list down > > Bob > Bjreal332@aol.com > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals."

Did we do this? Cleaning up e-mails...... Take care! Donna wmmahan wrote: > Donna > Can I post you Cemetery workshop notice to the Rush Co. list? or I can > froward the one to INPCRP list. There might be some one on the list that > does not get the INPCRP list mailings Thanks Diana in Rush Co. > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)

The correct email address for the Veterabs Affairs should be.. http://www.cem.va.gov UEB Henry County, IN INPCRP