The Hawk Cemetery in Delaware Co. was also hit by a car yesterday. Reportedly taking down many old markers. -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 01:53:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Sorry, that should have been 24 stones in 23 photos are online, not 28. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? I have photographed 28 damaged stones (one article says there are 30 but I have found only 28 so far) at Greenlawn this morning and have posted them online along with articles from The Daily Journal (Johnson Co.) and WTHR- Ch. 13 at http://www.bradmanz.com/greenlawn_vandals.html Brad Manzenberger -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Howell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the vandalism issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken stones, just toppled apart. Sharon Howell ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is undisguised. This is a cemetery. "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA .

Theresa, I certainly agree. For me however I am feeling a little more drastic, letters, phone calls, emails over 15 years hasn't yielded me a thing. I am pretty much done with it, I wish others success, I have wasted too much time and gotten no where. There are others undoubtedly who will fare better. People on here will get along as well as they want to. Sometimes things come out written far different that intended. There are other times that the animosity and bitterness seep through. And lets face it, thats kind of normal, in anything. I have had more than person try to lead me around by the nose, and I am definitely not trying to do that to anyone else. I can honestly say that I can dislike anybody, but still work with them on a common goal. Success in the end is all that matters. Lee Creed Greencastle

Well I wasn't planning on anything remotely soon, as the planning and organization would take awhile. In this weather, either vacations, working in graveyards, or other summer activities would interfere. Thanks for the info. Lee Creed Greencastle

Ernie, Forwarded as well, another prime example. We need more examples, please let me know whether or not you have been contacted. Lee Creed Greencastle

This is precisely what I needed. I have forwarded it to the reporter, who has also been in contact with others on this list. Lee Creed Greencastle

I think the problem with most of them will be their weight. Most, but certainly not all, of the stones didn't seem broken but just knocked over. I would absolutely be willing to help with repairs as well. Actually, since I'm nearby, if anyone with more experience is willing to pitch in I'll help organize volunteers and try to get some local media attention about it. Brad Manzenberger Franklin, IN -----Original Message----- From: Rhonda Stoffer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Maybe this would be good publicity for the plight of cemeteries if people on this list would offer their help to repair the damage. Many of the stones I saw in the photos looked to be repairable, I'm willing to offer my assistance if some of our more experienced restorers would be willing to help with repairs. I can't epoxy a stone, but I can clean, dig and help someone else. Rhonda Stoffer Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services Marion Public Library -----Original Message----- From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Sorry, that should have been 24 stones in 23 photos are online, not 28. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? I have photographed 28 damaged stones (one article says there are 30 but I have found only 28 so far) at Greenlawn this morning and have posted them online along with articles from The Daily Journal (Johnson Co.) and WTHR- Ch. 13 at http://www.bradmanz.com/greenlawn_vandals.html Brad Manzenberger -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Howell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the vandalism issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken stones, just toppled apart. Sharon Howell ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is undisguised. This is a cemetery. "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

Sorry, that should have been 24 stones in 23 photos are online, not 28. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? I have photographed 28 damaged stones (one article says there are 30 but I have found only 28 so far) at Greenlawn this morning and have posted them online along with articles from The Daily Journal (Johnson Co.) and WTHR- Ch. 13 at http://www.bradmanz.com/greenlawn_vandals.html Brad Manzenberger -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Howell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the vandalism issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken stones, just toppled apart. Sharon Howell ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version)

Maybe this would be good publicity for the plight of cemeteries if people on this list would offer their help to repair the damage. Many of the stones I saw in the photos looked to be repairable, I'm willing to offer my assistance if some of our more experienced restorers would be willing to help with repairs. I can't epoxy a stone, but I can clean, dig and help someone else. Rhonda Stoffer Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services Marion Public Library -----Original Message----- From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Sorry, that should have been 24 stones in 23 photos are online, not 28. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? I have photographed 28 damaged stones (one article says there are 30 but I have found only 28 so far) at Greenlawn this morning and have posted them online along with articles from The Daily Journal (Johnson Co.) and WTHR- Ch. 13 at http://www.bradmanz.com/greenlawn_vandals.html Brad Manzenberger -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Howell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the vandalism issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken stones, just toppled apart. Sharon Howell ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is undisguised. This is a cemetery. "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA

I think this is a terrific idea. If enough people went to something like this and called the press in to cover it, it would send a strong message to lawmakers that there is tremendous interest in saving and preserving these places. It has been my experience that the cemetery authorities, particularly the cities and counties, will only opt to do minimal repair, at best. Sometimes they deem them unrepairable and remove them entirely. Not a good thing at all. I encourage a representative group of folks to assemble and go take care of this cemetery to make a statement and set an example. But get some really good press on it. Especially TV. I can't tell you how valuable TV news coverage is. The politicians can miss an article in a local paper, but even if they miss the TV news someone they know will have seen it. Good luck! Sue Silver California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Stoffer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > Maybe this would be good publicity for the plight of cemeteries if people on > this list would offer their help to repair the damage. Many of the stones I > saw in the photos looked to be repairable, I'm willing to offer my > assistance if some of our more experienced restorers would be willing to > help with repairs. I can't epoxy a stone, but I can clean, dig and help > someone else. > > Rhonda Stoffer > Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services > Marion Public Library > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > Sorry, that should have been 24 stones in 23 photos are online, not 28. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > I have photographed 28 damaged stones (one article says there are 30 but I > have found only 28 so far) at Greenlawn this morning and have posted them > online along with articles from The Daily Journal (Johnson Co.) and WTHR- > Ch. 13 at http://www.bradmanz.com/greenlawn_vandals.html > > Brad Manzenberger > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Howell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just > south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. > http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 > > The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are > responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the vandalism > issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of > the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very > fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need > that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken > stones, just toppled apart. > > Sharon Howell > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] > or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. >

At 08:58 AM 06/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I did report it to DNR, who was to send a conservation officer to >investigate, but have heard nothing, and doubt I will. This seems to be a common problem. The property that one of our "problem" cemeteries here in Gibson County was to be sold at a tax sale this spring. I had been trying since March 2002 to get something done about the land owner hauling off the stones, and re-newed my effort when I became aware of the tax sale. I cannot figure out if there is a big lack of communication, or if nothing is getting done. I was told that a DNR staff archaeologist went there back in 2002. I never heard from him or seen any report of his findings. I was told this time that it was being sent to archaeologist Tim Wright in the DNR office, who would get a CO to go out there and investigate, talk to the land owner, and probably call me. You guessed it, no phone call. I was also told "I'll make sure that he meets with you." No meeting yet.... I guess I should just start calling them every day and keep bugging them until something is done?

I have photographed 28 damaged stones (one article says there are 30 but I have found only 28 so far) at Greenlawn this morning and have posted them online along with articles from The Daily Journal (Johnson Co.) and WTHR- Ch. 13 at http://www.bradmanz.com/greenlawn_vandals.html Brad Manzenberger -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Howell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the vandalism issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken stones, just toppled apart. Sharon Howell ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

If and when we decide to do a protest, or get newspapers involved in the Mariah Creek cemetery issue in Knox County, the one I've been complaining about is right next door in Daviess County, Cincinnati Cemetery. There is one stone standing, the others have been bulldozed into a ditch along the railroad tracks (formerly the Wabash-Eric Canal). Many of these stones can still be seen. It is on private property, and the current farmer is not the one who bulldozed the cemetery. However, he is farming over the graves of over 50 known burials, along with a mass grave that was dug for canal workers who died while building the canal from malaria. He is also very aware that he is doing this, as I spoke to him about it two years ago. I did report it to DNR, who was to send a conservation officer to investigate, but have heard nothing, and doubt I will. It would be nice to protest both of these since they are so close together, and suffer similar fates. It would also make for an easy trip for a reporter as the two cemeteries are less than 15 miles apart. Maybe I should get our local paper involved. I've tried in the past, but they don't seem to be too interested.

Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the vandalism issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken stones, just toppled apart. Sharon Howell

Rich, Jon, I need names and phone numbers of anyone involved in the cemetery situation in Knox county. A reporter is interested in checking it out, please reply off list. Thanks, Lee Creed Greencastle

Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin. :( http://www.thejournalnet.com/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Channel 8, WISH-TV in Indianapolis, Indiana just had a news teaser about destruction in a cemetery, that shows broken headstones. Anyone know about this? Joni Curtis Indy ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer here, but keep in mind our General Assembly is recessed until next year, other than organization day in November. You won't get their attention because they won't be there. An idea like this would probably get a bigger splash when all 150 legislators are at the statehouse. Just my thoughts, and yes, this is one thing that it is going to take... Kyle

Kyle is right, the legislators aren't here now, so a protest at the State House probably wouldn't do much. Taking on the specific situation in Knox Co. might make more sense as a place to start. Make people aware that the law was ignored. Make a INPCRP Hall of Shame Award to everyone involved. Do a media blitz. If everyone on the list wrote a letter to the Star & the local papers, that would get some attention. This leads me to think about the future of the INPCRP. The web site has to be updated! Brad Manzenberger recently volunteered to take over that job. Scott's response to Brad was that he would get back to him. That was several weeks ago. Not having current information out there makes us look bad and is of little help to anyone. The next thing is people on the list have got to quit fighting & nit picking. Alot of people have had their toes stepped on & their feelings hurt, including me. It's time to shake it off, forgive, forget, & move on, otherwise we get nowhere. I think( I hope) we are all in this for the same reason, to protect our pioneer cemeteries. This is an election year. We need to get out there and educate the people running for the Legislature . Make pioneer cemeteries an issue. Bring it up at every public debate, write letters to the editor, talk to the current Legislators from your district and anyone else who will listen. Enlist the help of the historical societies, genealogy societies, DAR, Society of Indiana Pioneers, Landmarks, etc. Be positive. We have a toe in the door of the Legislature thanks to some very brave legislators, the Henry Co. Cemetery Commission & the small group of people who attended hearings & worked on drafting the bill presented last year. We have to have more support- phone calls -letters- bodies (live ones). Of course, we would all rather be our working in the yards, but nothing changes if we don't do this. BUD, GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK ON THE LIST!! Theresa [email protected] wrote: I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer here, but keep in mind our General Assembly is recessed until next year, other than organization day in November. You won't get their attention because they won't be there. An idea like this would probably get a bigger splash when all 150 legislators are at the statehouse. Just my thoughts, and yes, this is one thing that it is going to take... Kyle ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

Yes, this time around the politicians won't be able to pick and choose, change dates and times, and generally merry-make with the issues. One thing that comes to mind is a firm date or dates that are in advance to do any sort of demonstration. Henry county did good last year, steps in the right direction, it wasn't for nothing. I have contacted many people and organizations, sort of testing the water. Surely there are others here, that have idea's and contacts. I'm not interested in trying to lead anyone else around by the nose. Lee Creed Greencastle

Channel 8, WISH-TV in Indianapolis, Indiana just had a news teaser about destruction in a cemetery, that shows broken headstones. Anyone know about this? Joni Curtis Indy