Walt, Danny Faris, and I can come to Greenlawn Cemetery on July 10 & 11 with every thing needed to repair and reset large stones. If this date does not work, let us know when you plan on doing the repairs. Micki

Brad, I am frustrated to an extent, admittedly. When you read the accounts from all these people on here, then think of your own experiences, I get a sick feeling. I found out earlier a cemetery superintendant lives on property where the graveyard in the corn field, recently became all cornfield, within the last couple of years. I don't know if an informative rally is for everyone, I also know this but a small part of the pie, entry issues, funding, and other issues are there, too. I am not at all trying to clash with what other people are doing. My only hope is for enforcement, thats all I am trying to gain. That by itself is not going to be easy and this is the only way I think it will work. I also don't have all the answers, very few in fact. Lets see what takes place between now and the start of the next session. Thanks to those who replied to me off and on list. I welcome more on the matter. Lee Creed Greencastle

Angela, Then please accept my apology for being touchy, and I did try to show up for the hearings...... in reality I only have 11 people committing to do an orderly "rally" or perhaps an informative demand that the laws are enforced. Its only one item, not the really big efforts that you took up last year, my efforts won't come close to what your group has done. I thought maybe picking a date every year when the elected are in session to be up there and remind them that something still needs to done. Sincerely, Lee Creed Greencastle

Gee, Lee I sure did not mean it that way. So if I came across that way I apologize. Some people view protests/rallys as a bunch of people complaining and as negative. I thought if people saw us working hard trying fix damage done it would seem more positive. What I am mystified about is when Henry Co. and a few others tried to RALLY bodies to show support for cemetery legislation at the State House last July only a few showed up. Then for the next meeting, even fewer showed up. Still scratching my head on that one.......... Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > Okay, I am totally mystified. What has protesting the failure of the > state to prosecute those responsible for the destruction of burial sites > got to do with wanting to get together and repair vandalism have to do > with one another ? > How is one a SOLUTION, yet the other is > not ? > > Handing out fliers of documented cases > where the state has done nothing as a wake up call to those we elect, > and anyone that happens to cross my path, > is another issue altogether from repairing > vandalism, which you may note, I have not one word of criticism for. > Good luck in your endeavors there, and please let me and like minded > individuals pursue our own. I don't know what you envisioned as a > "protest", but picket signs, bullhorns, and angry people marching > haven't been brought up, nor will they. > Its too serious an issue for such nonsense. Maybe I need to substitute > the word "rally" for the protection of burial sites instead of using > protest. > > Lee Creed > Greencastle > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. >

Does anyone have more detail about what happened at Hawk Cem.? Brad -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [INPCRP] Pictures of Hawk before the damage. Mark, Hope you don't mind--I was curious to see where Hawk is so I did a rootsweb tour and found this. It seemed like a good page and had pics of the undamaged cemetery as well--hope you don't mind. http://www.rootsweb.com/~indelawa/hawk-cem.html ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP.

Mark, Hope you don't mind--I was curious to see where Hawk is so I did a rootsweb tour and found this. It seemed like a good page and had pics of the undamaged cemetery as well--hope you don't mind. http://www.rootsweb.com/~indelawa/hawk-cem.html

Not if you can't get anybody to enforce them. >From: "E. Joan Wray" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:11:39 -0500 > >Hello All: > >Please keep in mind that we have some new cemetery laws lately that should >have some leverage that wasn't in place years ago. > >Joan Wray >Tipton County >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jon andrews" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE > > >Several years ago, and Ernie Lasley or Ruth Pride, etc. can tell you more >about it, Federal Judge S. Hugh Dillin from Petersburg had his family >cemetery "plowed". There was a big stink at the time, but I don't think it >ever developed into much. In the back of my mind, my thinking has always >been, if he can't get anything done then why am I even attempting. >Our local politician here made the statement about his own grandpa, when >asked about what if it would happen to him........."I didn't know him >anyway." >So you see, it's an uphill battle all the way. You either care or you don't >worry about it. >Jon Andrews > > > >From: [email protected] > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE > >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:34:10 EDT > > > >MAYBE......we need to find out where the ancestors of our "beloved" > >legislators are buried....sounds like an insurmountable task...but we > >should be able to > >id a few...especially of those who are most oblivious to the pleas of >their > >constituents. > > > > > >marilynn in nm > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > >have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >From ‘will you?’ to ‘I do,’ MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting >Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State >Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or >comments you may have about the INPCRP. > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of >England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/

Micki, Walt and Danny and all, Thanks again so much for your offer. My wife spoke with Suzanne Findley, the director of the Franklin Parks Dept. (the controlling dept. of the cemetery) to get any permission we needed. She seemed quite relieved that someone was willing to do something. She said we have permission, though she has to contact the people last listed as contacts for each burial and run it by the parks board. As long as the board doesn't object we have permission to fix any stone damaged unless the contact person says no for a particular stone. Suzanne is making all the necessary calls. I am going to send a press release to the local paper, the Indianapolis Star and the TV news stations in Indy. Channel 13 did a story on it the other night. This would make a good follow up. I will also solicit volunteers from other sources. The 10th and 11th are fine. Let me know what time is best for you to start. This will be an all-volunteer effort as the parks dept. doesn't have the money for it, the grounds crew is afraid to break something further and their insurance wont cover it. Anyone on this list that would like to help let me know and I'll add you to the list of volunteers. I can be contacted off list at [email protected] Thanks to all, Brad Manzenberger -----Original Message----- From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Wow! Thank you very much!! I will make some phone calls today and let you know tonight or tomorrow about those dates. Thanks, Brad Manzenberger -----Original Message----- From: John Walters [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Walt, Danny Faris, and I can come to Greenlawn Cemetery on July 10 & 11 with every thing needed to repair and reset large stones. If this date does not work, let us know when you plan on doing the repairs. Micki ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)

Hello All: Please keep in mind that we have some new cemetery laws lately that should have some leverage that wasn't in place years ago. Joan Wray Tipton County ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon andrews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE Several years ago, and Ernie Lasley or Ruth Pride, etc. can tell you more about it, Federal Judge S. Hugh Dillin from Petersburg had his family cemetery "plowed". There was a big stink at the time, but I don't think it ever developed into much. In the back of my mind, my thinking has always been, if he can't get anything done then why am I even attempting. Our local politician here made the statement about his own grandpa, when asked about what if it would happen to him........."I didn't know him anyway." So you see, it's an uphill battle all the way. You either care or you don't worry about it. Jon Andrews >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:34:10 EDT > >MAYBE......we need to find out where the ancestors of our "beloved" >legislators are buried....sounds like an insurmountable task...but we >should be able to >id a few...especially of those who are most oblivious to the pleas of their >constituents. > > >marilynn in nm > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > _________________________________________________________________ >From ‘will you?’ to ‘I do,’ MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP.

Wow! Thank you very much!! I will make some phone calls today and let you know tonight or tomorrow about those dates. Thanks, Brad Manzenberger -----Original Message----- From: John Walters [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 7:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Walt, Danny Faris, and I can come to Greenlawn Cemetery on July 10 & 11 with every thing needed to repair and reset large stones. If this date does not work, let us know when you plan on doing the repairs. Micki ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP.

Why not do them in conjunction with each other? Since the legislature is not in session now and with it being a presidential election year, a protest, rally, whatever you call it will get little attention from the politicians in the statehouse and just as little from the media as a political issue. What I would suggest is using the repair of the vandalism in Greenlawn in Franklin, Hawk in Delaware Co. and other similar places to begin informing the public about the destruction of cemeteries in Indiana, be it through farming or vandalism or whatever. Right now this issue is more likely to get press as a human interest story than a crime/political story. After the elections and at the first of next year we could begin rally's at the statehouse which most certainly could be bolstered by having spent the previous six months educating and informing the people at the local level. The more people you educate, the more that will become involved on some level. Remember, all politics is local. I hate that pioneer cemeteries and politics are intertwined, but they are and to some extent we have to play the political game. I personally am more than willing to be involved with this on a political level. I love politics and have run for office in the past. Politically speaking, I think this needs to be run almost like a campaign for public office making calculated moves to achieve the desired results instead of just throwing something together solely out of frustration (not that that's what you are doing, Lee.) I see both repairing vandalism and protesting as solutions, or at least means to an end. Both can be used to our advantage but as I said, this is to some extent politics and to win the game you have to play it. I was under the impression that we are all like minded here in that we all want to see an end to the destruction of cemeteries no matter the source of the destruction. I have no problem at all in doing your own thing, but I also believe in strength in numbers, It's been said that one person can change the world. I tend to think that one person can get the ball rolling, but it really takes a group of dedicated people to institute real, meaningful change. Brad Manzenberger Franklin, IN -----Original Message----- From: Lee [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Okay, I am totally mystified. What has protesting the failure of the state to prosecute those responsible for the destruction of burial sites got to do with wanting to get together and repair vandalism have to do with one another ? How is one a SOLUTION, yet the other is not ? Handing out fliers of documented cases where the state has done nothing as a wake up call to those we elect, and anyone that happens to cross my path, is another issue altogether from repairing vandalism, which you may note, I have not one word of criticism for. Good luck in your endeavors there, and please let me and like minded individuals pursue our own. I don't know what you envisioned as a "protest", but picket signs, bullhorns, and angry people marching haven't been brought up, nor will they. Its too serious an issue for such nonsense. Maybe I need to substitute the word "rally" for the protection of burial sites instead of using protest. Lee Creed Greencastle ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP.

Okay, I am totally mystified. What has protesting the failure of the state to prosecute those responsible for the destruction of burial sites got to do with wanting to get together and repair vandalism have to do with one another ? How is one a SOLUTION, yet the other is not ? Handing out fliers of documented cases where the state has done nothing as a wake up call to those we elect, and anyone that happens to cross my path, is another issue altogether from repairing vandalism, which you may note, I have not one word of criticism for. Good luck in your endeavors there, and please let me and like minded individuals pursue our own. I don't know what you envisioned as a "protest", but picket signs, bullhorns, and angry people marching haven't been brought up, nor will they. Its too serious an issue for such nonsense. Maybe I need to substitute the word "rally" for the protection of burial sites instead of using protest. Lee Creed Greencastle

Several years ago, and Ernie Lasley or Ruth Pride, etc. can tell you more about it, Federal Judge S. Hugh Dillin from Petersburg had his family cemetery "plowed". There was a big stink at the time, but I don't think it ever developed into much. In the back of my mind, my thinking has always been, if he can't get anything done then why am I even attempting. Our local politician here made the statement about his own grandpa, when asked about what if it would happen to him........."I didn't know him anyway." So you see, it's an uphill battle all the way. You either care or you don't worry about it. Jon Andrews >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:34:10 EDT > >MAYBE......we need to find out where the ancestors of our "beloved" >legislators are buried....sounds like an insurmountable task...but we >should be able to >id a few...especially of those who are most oblivious to the pleas of their >constituents. > > >marilynn in nm > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > _________________________________________________________________ From ‘will you?’ to ‘I do,’ MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married

Can we do anything to help Hawk Cemetery? What's the location? Theresa Mark Kreps <[email protected]> wrote: The Hawk Cemetery in Delaware Co. was also hit by a car yesterday. Reportedly taking down many old markers. -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 01:53:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Sorry, that should have been 24 stones in 23 photos are online, not 28. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? I have photographed 28 damaged stones (one article says there are 30 but I have found only 28 so far) at Greenlawn this morning and have posted them online along with articles from The Daily Journal (Johnson Co.) and WTHR- Ch. 13 at http://www.bradmanz.com/greenlawn_vandals.html Brad Manzenberger -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Howell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the vandalism issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken stones, just toppled apart. Sharon Howell ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is undisguised. This is a cemetery. "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA . ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!

Ernie: When the C.O. calls would you have him call me, too. HA! I am still waiting on a return call on Mariah Creek. Jon >From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Daviess County Cemetery >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:23:38 -0500 > >At 08:58 AM 06/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>I did report it to DNR, who was to send a conservation officer to >>investigate, but have heard nothing, and doubt I will. > >This seems to be a common problem. The property that one of our "problem" >cemeteries here in Gibson County was to be sold at a tax sale this spring. >I had been trying since March 2002 to get something done about the land >owner hauling off the stones, and re-newed my effort when I became aware of >the tax sale. I cannot figure out if there is a big lack of communication, >or if nothing is getting done. > >I was told that a DNR staff archaeologist went there back in 2002. I never >heard from him or seen any report of his findings. > >I was told this time that it was being sent to archaeologist Tim Wright in >the DNR office, who would get a CO to go out there and investigate, talk to >the land owner, and probably call me. You guessed it, no phone call. I >was also told "I'll make sure that he meets with you." No meeting yet.... > >I guess I should just start calling them every day and keep bugging them >until something is done? > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. >Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname and >geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are a >better venue. >Thank you. > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Doug: We have reported that cemetery more than once through the years, too. Nothing done. The other one close is out on McCracken's curve where they are running livestock over the cemetery. Are you familiar with this? Then there is the Beckes on the Knox/Daviess line where the trustee bush hogged and pulverized the stones. It was reported and Dr. Jones was going to repremand him many years ago, but nothing ever happened. It never does! I can show you at least a dozen in Knox County that were reported over the years. They can't show me one that ever went any further than, "We're investigating and will get back to you" with the exception of the Stork where they were compelled to pull the coal company's bond. We practically had to throw ourselves in front of the mining equipment for them to notice and if not for Rich Green, it would have been gone forever. We need to get together and go see the McCracken. Jon Andrews >From: "Doug Dougherty" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [INPCRP] Daviess County Cemetery >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:58:24 -0500 > >If and when we decide to do a protest, or get newspapers involved in the >Mariah Creek cemetery issue in Knox County, the one I've been complaining >about is right next door in Daviess County, Cincinnati Cemetery. There is >one stone standing, the others have been bulldozed into a ditch along the >railroad tracks (formerly the Wabash-Eric Canal). Many of these stones can >still be seen. > >It is on private property, and the current farmer is not the one who >bulldozed the cemetery. However, he is farming over the graves of over 50 >known burials, along with a mass grave that was dug for canal workers who >died while building the canal from malaria. He is also very aware that he >is doing this, as I spoke to him about it two years ago. > >I did report it to DNR, who was to send a conservation officer to >investigate, but have heard nothing, and doubt I will. > >It would be nice to protest both of these since they are so close together, >and suffer similar fates. It would also make for an easy trip for a >reporter as the two cemeteries are less than 15 miles apart. > >Maybe I should get our local paper involved. I've tried in the past, but >they don't seem to be too interested. > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

A work day in Franklin sounds like a great idea. I like Angela's t-shirt idea too. I have some connections in the shirt business. Theresa tielking <[email protected]> wrote: Hi everybody, I think this is a great idea too. Instead of protesting, we could be part of the SOLUTION by assisting in the repairs. If the INPCRP group decides to get together and do this, I think tee shirts could be made up to identify us. Maybe in bright red saying "INPCRP at Work"???? [Note: I wouldn't recommend the color orange for the tee shirts. People might mistake us for inmates!! (Remember that Bud!?] I would love to be there. I am still recuperating from herniated disc surgery and will not be able to work in the cemeteries for probably the whole rest of this year. I sure do miss working out in "the yard". :-( Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Silver" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > I think this is a terrific idea. If enough people went to something like > this and called the press in to cover it, it would send a strong message to > lawmakers that there is tremendous interest in saving and preserving these > places. It has been my experience that the cemetery authorities, > particularly the cities and counties, will only opt to do minimal repair, at > best. Sometimes they deem them unrepairable and remove them entirely. Not > a good thing at all. > > I encourage a representative group of folks to assemble and go take care of > this cemetery to make a statement and set an example. But get some really > good press on it. Especially TV. I can't tell you how valuable TV news > coverage is. The politicians can miss an article in a local paper, but even > if they miss the TV news someone they know will have seen it. > > Good luck! > Sue Silver > California > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rhonda Stoffer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:46 AM > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > > Maybe this would be good publicity for the plight of cemeteries if people > on > > this list would offer their help to repair the damage. Many of the stones > I > > saw in the photos looked to be repairable, I'm willing to offer my > > assistance if some of our more experienced restorers would be willing to > > help with repairs. I can't epoxy a stone, but I can clean, dig and help > > someone else. > > > > Rhonda Stoffer > > Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services > > Marion Public Library > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > > > > Sorry, that should have been 24 stones in 23 photos are online, not 28. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:09 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > > > > I have photographed 28 damaged stones (one article says there are 30 but I > > have found only 28 so far) at Greenlawn this morning and have posted them > > online along with articles from The Daily Journal (Johnson Co.) and WTHR- > > Ch. 13 at http://www.bradmanz.com/greenlawn_vandals.html > > > > Brad Manzenberger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sharon Howell [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:53 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > > > > Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just > > south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. > > http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 > > > > The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are > > responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the > vandalism > > issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of > > the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very > > fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need > > that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken > > stones, just toppled apart. > > > > Sharon Howell > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] > > or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

Hi everybody, I think this is a great idea too. Instead of protesting, we could be part of the SOLUTION by assisting in the repairs. If the INPCRP group decides to get together and do this, I think tee shirts could be made up to identify us. Maybe in bright red saying "INPCRP at Work"???? [Note: I wouldn't recommend the color orange for the tee shirts. People might mistake us for inmates!! (Remember that Bud!?] I would love to be there. I am still recuperating from herniated disc surgery and will not be able to work in the cemeteries for probably the whole rest of this year. I sure do miss working out in "the yard". :-( Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Silver" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > I think this is a terrific idea. If enough people went to something like > this and called the press in to cover it, it would send a strong message to > lawmakers that there is tremendous interest in saving and preserving these > places. It has been my experience that the cemetery authorities, > particularly the cities and counties, will only opt to do minimal repair, at > best. Sometimes they deem them unrepairable and remove them entirely. Not > a good thing at all. > > I encourage a representative group of folks to assemble and go take care of > this cemetery to make a statement and set an example. But get some really > good press on it. Especially TV. I can't tell you how valuable TV news > coverage is. The politicians can miss an article in a local paper, but even > if they miss the TV news someone they know will have seen it. > > Good luck! > Sue Silver > California > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rhonda Stoffer" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 11:46 AM > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > > Maybe this would be good publicity for the plight of cemeteries if people > on > > this list would offer their help to repair the damage. Many of the stones > I > > saw in the photos looked to be repairable, I'm willing to offer my > > assistance if some of our more experienced restorers would be willing to > > help with repairs. I can't epoxy a stone, but I can clean, dig and help > > someone else. > > > > Rhonda Stoffer > > Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services > > Marion Public Library > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > > > > Sorry, that should have been 24 stones in 23 photos are online, not 28. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:09 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > > > > I have photographed 28 damaged stones (one article says there are 30 but I > > have found only 28 so far) at Greenlawn this morning and have posted them > > online along with articles from The Daily Journal (Johnson Co.) and WTHR- > > Ch. 13 at http://www.bradmanz.com/greenlawn_vandals.html > > > > Brad Manzenberger > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sharon Howell [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:53 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] What cemetery was hit last night? > > > > > > Greenlawn Cemetery in Franklin is the one on the east side of US31, just > > south of SR44. The article takes up half the front page today. > > http://www.thejournalnet.com/ 6/30/04 > > > > The short version is: the city maintains the grounds, individuals are > > responsible for the stones. "Park board members will discuss the > vandalism > > issue at their next meeting July 26 and decide whether to pay for some of > > the damage." The article also states that tombstones are "actually very > > fragile and easier to knock over than people think." We sure didn't need > > that statement put out to the public! The photos don't show any broken > > stones, just toppled apart. > > > > Sharon Howell > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] > > or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. >

MAYBE......we need to find out where the ancestors of our "beloved" legislators are buried....sounds like an insurmountable task...but we should be able to id a few...especially of those who are most oblivious to the pleas of their constituents. marilynn in nm

HELLO~~ What cemetery in Gibson County was being sold? WHO was hauling off tombstoness?? marilynn in new mexico