How about: INPCRP "Saving history, one stone at a time" t 09:29 PM 07/02/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Theresa, >I would like a t-shirt. It doesn't have to say "INPCRP AT WORK". I just >threw an idea out there. What does everybody else think? > >Thanks Theresa for taking the time to check into this. >Sincerely, >Angela Tielking >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> > > > Before I put any time or money into this, I need to know if INPCRP people >want T-shirts. > > They would say INPCRP AT WORK with maybe some sort of tombstone design.

Theresa, I would like a t-shirt. It doesn't have to say "INPCRP AT WORK". I just threw an idea out there. What does everybody else think? Thanks Theresa for taking the time to check into this. Sincerely, Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: [INPCRP] T-shirt idea > Before I put any time or money into this, I need to know if INPCRP people want T-shirts. > They would say INPCRP AT WORK with maybe some sort of tombstone design. Color red or what ever color is cheap? The minimum order is 24. There would be some cost for design work. It's been a couple years since I ordered shirts, so I'm not sure what the final cost per item would be. The more shirts ordered brings the cost per item down. > > Another idea, and one people can do themselves, is to buy Avery Ink Jet T-shirt Transfers. They come 6 to a package. You print the transfers on the computer and iron them on a t-shirt. > > Let me know if you are interested. > Theresa Berghoff > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. >

"I thought maybe picking a date every year when the elected are in session to be up there and remind them that something still needs to done. Sincerely, Lee Creed Greencastle" Lee, Sounds good to me! Angela Tielking

These booklets may still be found at the SCHS and the Sullivan Library in the geneolgy department. There is also a book at the SCHS and the library Sullivan County Cemetery Records where you can find all the cemeteries (even the ones out in the woods and fields) with those who are buried in each one listed. There is also a map that I have acquired that shows them all but don't know if it is still available. I would be happy to share it with anyone interested. The geneology library department may be reached by e-mail for requests of information and page copies from books; SCHS as well. Teresa [email protected] wrote: This is just in case and a FYI.....years ago when I was doing my Indiana genealogy research out here in NM...I found some little booklets [in the Albuquerque Genealogy Library Reference Section] printed by the Sullivan HS Senior Class that listed all the little country and larger cemeteries in the county ...it was everything they could find...it was their Sr. Class Project...It was a wonderful find because I could locate where all my family were buried....my g'parents used to take me to these places when I was younger, but only my g'father knew exactly where they were and he was gone. So I am writing this e-mail because of the one which talked about doing the GPS Mapping around Carlisle because of new mines...I am sure these booklets are also in the Sullivan County Library...if this is info everyone already knows...my apologies...just delete. Thanks~~ Marilynn in NM ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is undisguised. This is a cemetery. "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA

[email protected] wrote: >this may still be on the website regarding the gross disruption of the >Wilhoit Cem. near Ireland IN. several years ago...The visible stone, believe was >Rev. War Soldier, who was the ancestor of Fed. Judge H. Dillin, was,if I remember >correctly, enclosed inside a fence,and when the real estate developer got >into the dirt, found evidence of many burials, DNR was down, place already torn >up. Later the "remains" under the guidance of Judge Dillin were reinterred with >ceremony at nearby Shiloh Cem. and the probable 60 or so others buried there >were lost...Several new homes now exist nearby...No charges, no >fine..hopefully nightly visits by unknowns in some of the houses! (Just kidding, don't >really believe in ghosts) Ruth Pride Wheatland, Knox Co. > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > > > > Yes, that's what happened, but unfortunately there was no law at the time to prevent it. Fortunately, that destruction prompted enactment of a new law which is designed to prevent this kind of thing happening. That's the law invoked in the case of the Brown County gentleman who tried to put his septic tank practically on top of the cemetery. So, a little progress has been made. Now, if people can just be made aware of the law. Everyone should go to their county health dept. and/or whoever else issues building permits and ask if their forms ask if there is a cemetery w/in 100 feet of their proposed construction. That would go a long way toward preventing destructive construction because of ignorance. MaryAlice Parks

I might not be able to do anything heavy yet, but I would make a good gofer, and would like to have a tee-shirt. For our "Day of Caring" here in Henry county we order all one size (Large) which keeps things simple. UEB Henry Co., IN HCCC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: [INPCRP] T-shirt idea > Before I put any time or money into this, I need to know if INPCRP people want T-shirts. > They would say INPCRP AT WORK with maybe some sort of tombstone design. Color red or what ever color is cheap? The minimum order is 24. There would be some cost for design work. It's been a couple years since I ordered shirts, so I'm not sure what the final cost per item would be. The more shirts ordered brings the cost per item down. > > Another idea, and one people can do themselves, is to buy Avery Ink Jet T-shirt Transfers. They come 6 to a package. You print the transfers on the computer and iron them on a t-shirt. > > Let me know if you are interested. > Theresa Berghoff > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. >

this may still be on the website regarding the gross disruption of the Wilhoit Cem. near Ireland IN. several years ago...The visible stone, believe was Rev. War Soldier, who was the ancestor of Fed. Judge H. Dillin, was,if I remember correctly, enclosed inside a fence,and when the real estate developer got into the dirt, found evidence of many burials, DNR was down, place already torn up. Later the "remains" under the guidance of Judge Dillin were reinterred with ceremony at nearby Shiloh Cem. and the probable 60 or so others buried there were lost...Several new homes now exist nearby...No charges, no fine..hopefully nightly visits by unknowns in some of the houses! (Just kidding, don't really believe in ghosts) Ruth Pride Wheatland, Knox Co.

Did the parents have car insurance for liability? This morning on channel 6 at 8:30 they did a minute report on Greenlawn cemetery and told of the dates for volunteer repairs. Good report.

Anyone interested in volunteering the 10th and 11th at Greenlawn Cem. in Franklin let me know. We'll be glad to have you join us. We'll be starting around 9 am next Saturday. More info at the link below. http://www.bradmanz.com/JCINPCRP/index.htm Thank you, Brad Manzenberger

Cemetery gets help cleaning up Daily Journal staff report (not online) http://www.thejournalnet.com A Connersville company will help restore about 30 vandalized gravestones at Franklin's Greenlawn Cemetery. Graveyard Groomers has offered it's services, free of charge, to repair the damage gravestones discovered by Franklin police Tuesday morning. Stone were pushed over and some unearthed. Police estimate the damage to be between $40,000 and $60,000. Angela Manzenberger, co-coordinator of the Johnson County chapter of Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project, said she doesn't think any of the stones will need to be replaced. Graveyard Groomers should be able to be them back together, she said. Manzenberger, and her husband, Brad, are asking for volunteers to help in lifting and holding stones in place July 10 and 11. Anyone interested can e-mail Brad and Angela Manzenberger at [email protected]

Before I put any time or money into this, I need to know if INPCRP people want T-shirts. They would say INPCRP AT WORK with maybe some sort of tombstone design. Color red or what ever color is cheap? The minimum order is 24. There would be some cost for design work. It's been a couple years since I ordered shirts, so I'm not sure what the final cost per item would be. The more shirts ordered brings the cost per item down. Another idea, and one people can do themselves, is to buy Avery Ink Jet T-shirt Transfers. They come 6 to a package. You print the transfers on the computer and iron them on a t-shirt. Let me know if you are interested. Theresa Berghoff --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

Hello: There is also a school class doing this in Tipton County this summer. I really haven't heard about their progress, I just know they were getting a grant to do this. Joan Wray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rahn Teresa" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE To protect cemeteries, especially the older ones, contact GPS. Be sure to get the cemetery on satellite by global positioning. This protects the ground of the cemetery for a 100 foot diameter around it. This is currently being done around Paxton and Carlisle, Indiana as fast as they can do them because new coal mines are coming to the area. Teresa "E. Joan Wray" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello All: Please keep in mind that we have some new cemetery laws lately that should have some leverage that wasn't in place years ago. Joan Wray Tipton County ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon andrews" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE Several years ago, and Ernie Lasley or Ruth Pride, etc. can tell you more about it, Federal Judge S. Hugh Dillin from Petersburg had his family cemetery "plowed". There was a big stink at the time, but I don't think it ever developed into much. In the back of my mind, my thinking has always been, if he can't get anything done then why am I even attempting. Our local politician here made the statement about his own grandpa, when asked about what if it would happen to him........."I didn't know him anyway." So you see, it's an uphill battle all the way. You either care or you don't worry about it. Jon Andrews >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:34:10 EDT > >MAYBE......we need to find out where the ancestors of our "beloved" >legislators are buried....sounds like an insurmountable task...but we >should be able to >id a few...especially of those who are most oblivious to the pleas of their >constituents. > > >marilynn in nm > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > _________________________________________________________________ >From 'will you?' to 'I do,' MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: "Show me the manner in which a nation or community cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical exactness the tender mercies of its people, their respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty to high ideals." ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP.

I remember the incident, but can't tell you where or when. Ruth or someone from the Pike County Historical Society should remember, or have a record of it. At 10:36 PM 06/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Several years ago, and Ernie Lasley or Ruth Pride, etc. can tell you more >about it, Federal Judge S. Hugh Dillin from Petersburg had his family >cemetery "plowed". There was a big stink at the time, but I don't think it >ever developed into much. In the back of my mind, my thinking has always >been, if he can't get anything done then why am I even attempting. >Our local politician here made the statement about his own grandpa, when >asked about what if it would happen to him........."I didn't know him anyway." >So you see, it's an uphill battle all the way. You either care or you >don't worry about it. >Jon Andrews

that is interesing--the homeowner's policy coveering cemetery damage--I had never thought of that - -would "perpetual care" cover stone damage also? And if so--which would be primary? Larry Leahy Muncie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 5:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pictures of Hawk before the damage. In a message dated 7/1/2004 10:16:44 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Rather he was going 30 or 50, he did the damage. Doesn't he and his > parents have an obligation to be financially responsible for repairs, etc. Does a > family member or members need to take them to civil court to get a judgement? > > Teresa > Yes....first through their insurance company, if they had any, and then personally. If they didn't have auto insurance, then there's even more trouble to be had. From what I've read, it sounds as if these stones were all relatively old. If any of them were more recent and the owner(s) still living, then the stone's owner could put in a claim with their own homeowner's insurance company to pay for the repairs if necessary. Kyle ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP.

They have one in jail and they know who the other is. This turns out to be a case of revenge against the cemetery management, it seems. There's a related article about the repair efforts we're about to undertake. I don' find it on the web site so I'll transcribe it this morning. Brad Suspect in vandalism of cemetery arrested By MICHAEL W. HOSKINS Daily Journal staff writer [email protected] July 02, 2004 Two teenagers who helped take care of Greenlawn Cemetery are suspected of damaging dozens of headstones at the Franklin graveyard, police said. Eighteen-year-old Clifton A. Beezley of Franklin was arrested Wednesday night in connection with the vandalism that police now estimate caused between $40,000 and $60,000 in damage. Read the rest here > http://www.thejournalnet.com/Main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=113&ArticleID =44602

In a message dated 7/1/2004 10:16:44 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Rather he was going 30 or 50, he did the damage. Doesn't he and his > parents have an obligation to be financially responsible for repairs, etc. Does a > family member or members need to take them to civil court to get a judgement? > > Teresa > Yes....first through their insurance company, if they had any, and then personally. If they didn't have auto insurance, then there's even more trouble to be had. From what I've read, it sounds as if these stones were all relatively old. If any of them were more recent and the owner(s) still living, then the stone's owner could put in a claim with their own homeowner's insurance company to pay for the repairs if necessary. Kyle

This is just in case and a FYI.....years ago when I was doing my Indiana genealogy research out here in NM...I found some little booklets [in the Albuquerque Genealogy Library Reference Section] printed by the Sullivan HS Senior Class that listed all the little country and larger cemeteries in the county ...it was everything they could find...it was their Sr. Class Project...It was a wonderful find because I could locate where all my family were buried....my g'parents used to take me to these places when I was younger, but only my g'father knew exactly where they were and he was gone. So I am writing this e-mail because of the one which talked about doing the GPS Mapping around Carlisle because of new mines...I am sure these booklets are also in the Sullivan County Library...if this is info everyone already knows...my apologies...just delete. Thanks~~ Marilynn in NM

To protect cemeteries, especially the older ones, contact GPS. Be sure to get the cemetery on satellite by global positioning. This protects the ground of the cemetery for a 100 foot diameter around it. This is currently being done around Paxton and Carlisle, Indiana as fast as they can do them because new coal mines are coming to the area. Teresa "E. Joan Wray" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello All: Please keep in mind that we have some new cemetery laws lately that should have some leverage that wasn't in place years ago. Joan Wray Tipton County ----- Original Message ----- From: "jon andrews" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE Several years ago, and Ernie Lasley or Ruth Pride, etc. can tell you more about it, Federal Judge S. Hugh Dillin from Petersburg had his family cemetery "plowed". There was a big stink at the time, but I don't think it ever developed into much. In the back of my mind, my thinking has always been, if he can't get anything done then why am I even attempting. Our local politician here made the statement about his own grandpa, when asked about what if it would happen to him........."I didn't know him anyway." So you see, it's an uphill battle all the way. You either care or you don't worry about it. Jon Andrews >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WHO IS BURIED WHERE >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:34:10 EDT > >MAYBE......we need to find out where the ancestors of our "beloved" >legislators are buried....sounds like an insurmountable task...but we >should be able to >id a few...especially of those who are most oblivious to the pleas of their >constituents. > > >marilynn in nm > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > _________________________________________________________________ >From �will you?� to �I do,� MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Scott Satterthwaite < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: "Show me the manner in which a nation or community cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical exactness the tender mercies of its people, their respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty to high ideals."

Rather he was going 30 or 50, he did the damage. Doesn't he and his parents have an obligation to be financially responsible for repairs, etc. Does a family member or members need to take them to civil court to get a judgement? Teresa Mark Kreps <[email protected]> wrote: A speeding 16 year old in his parents red SUV plowed right through the cemetery. Totalled the SUV knocking down several of the oldest stones. Several huge monuments were thrown into the air. The youth says "he was only going thirty" but it must have been more like 50 miles per hour without the brakes on. I visited the site last night. It looks like most of the damage can be repaired. It has got to be done by professionals, which is out of my league, but not Walt's or Mark Davis. Let me know if either are available. There is a cemetery association for this active cemetery. I'm planning to be planted out at Hawk someday. my e-mail is: [email protected] Mark Kreps -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Thursday, July 01, 2004 01:03:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Pictures of Hawk before the damage. Does anyone have more detail about what happened at Hawk Cem.? Brad -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [INPCRP] Pictures of Hawk before the damage. Mark, Hope you don't mind--I was curious to see where Hawk is so I did a rootsweb tour and found this. It seemed like a good page and had pics of the undamaged cemetery as well--hope you don't mind. http://www.rootsweb.com/~indelawa/hawk-cem.html . ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

A speeding 16 year old in his parents red SUV plowed right through the cemetery. Totalled the SUV knocking down several of the oldest stones. Several huge monuments were thrown into the air. The youth says "he was only going thirty" but it must have been more like 50 miles per hour without the brakes on. I visited the site last night. It looks like most of the damage can be repaired. It has got to be done by professionals, which is out of my league, but not Walt's or Mark Davis. Let me know if either are available. There is a cemetery association for this active cemetery. I'm planning to be planted out at Hawk someday. my e-mail is: [email protected] Mark Kreps -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Thursday, July 01, 2004 01:03:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Pictures of Hawk before the damage. Does anyone have more detail about what happened at Hawk Cem.? Brad -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [INPCRP] Pictures of Hawk before the damage. Mark, Hope you don't mind--I was curious to see where Hawk is so I did a rootsweb tour and found this. It seemed like a good page and had pics of the undamaged cemetery as well--hope you don't mind. http://www.rootsweb.com/~indelawa/hawk-cem.html .