In a message dated 8/12/2004 4:01:15 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Do we have any retired lawyers out there who could help up draft something? > M > The issue isn't getting a lawyer to draft something, it's getting a legislator to author (sponsor) it and then getting it passed through the 100 member house and 50 member senate. We have a handful of friendly legislators who can have it drafted by the Legislative Services Agency in no time. It's the remaining three months of trying to push it through the session that takes it's toll.... It now all depends on what happens in this November's election. With next year being a budget drafting year, that will take priority over everything, and depending on who is governor and who controls the house, that will decide how smoothly the whole system works for the next two years. Kyle

Do we have any retired lawyers out there who could help up draft something? M

In a message dated 8/11/04 9:49:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > What we need is a Unified State Code for cemetery issues. > > William Spurlock > Saving Graves > Amen to that Bill ! Jack

At 03:53 PM 08/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Well this needs to be changed. >I suggested you change your laws to coincide with the rest of the country. >Mary Ann Having to deal laws from all states, and having been involved in drafting a number of proposed new laws or modifications for a number of states over the past few years, I can tell you without any hesitation that no two states have exactly the same laws. Suggesting that you change your laws to coincide with the rest of the country while it is a good idea, is impossible to do when the other states cannot agree with themselves. In fact I'll go one step farther, there is no state today that has a full set of good, clear workable laws that cover everything that needs to be addressed that could be adopted. What we need is a Unified State Code for cemetery issues. William Spurlock Saving Graves

At 03:53 PM 08/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Well this needs to be changed. >I suggested you change your laws to coincide with the rest of the country. >Mary Ann If it were only that easy......... There are lots of laws pretaining to cemeteries that have grey areas, laws that need changed, and new laws that need to be written. And some that need defined, or at least an opinion of the State Attorney General on exactly what they mean. A good example is the law that you refer to. Does "Public" refer to a cemetery known as a "Public Cemetery" as defined by law, or does it also include cemeteries cared for by County and Township Government? [snip] From what I've read here and in the newspapers I'm not sure our (Indiana's) #1 problem is the lack of "good" laws protecting cemeteries and giving fair access to them. Laws can be changed. Standing in the way of that is: **Legislators who put no priority on these problems. In fairness, they do have a lot of other issues on the table but some of them have questionable value. **Public perception - or lack thereof. It's difficult to get the general public in an uproar about cemeteries, and we need an uproar to put pressure on lawmakers. **Uneven support from law enforcement and prosecutors. **Resistance from special interest groups like the Farm Bureau. IMO it boils down to getting the populace interested and involved. Until then we're just spitting into the wind. And we accomplish this by...? Larry V. Stephens [email protected]

I live in another state now, but will be happy to do my part. Is there any particular committee or individual you think I need to address with my concerns? Mary Ann, Lex., SC

At 03:53 PM 08/10/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Well this needs to be changed. >I suggested you change your laws to coincide with the rest of the country. >Mary Ann If it were only that easy......... There are lots of laws pretaining to cemeteries that have grey areas, laws that need changed, and new laws that need to be written. And some that need defined, or at least an opinion of the State Attorney General on exactly what they mean. A good example is the law that you refer to. Does "Public" refer to a cemetery known as a "Public Cemetery" as defined by law, or does it also include cemeteries cared for by County and Township Government? The INPCRP has several members that work hard every year on new cemetery legislation, and have been successful with some laws. It is difficult to get legislators and hearing committes to listen to proposals concerning abandoned cemeteries, my hat's off to them for what they have accomplished so far. We need more people like you to write some legislators to convince that we are not a minority and laws need to be changed! Ernie

Well this needs to be changed. Cemeteries, by their very nature, need to be protected, and that is a responsibility of the public domain.....government. I suggested you change your laws to coincide with the rest of the country. If we respect life, we must respect death as well. How would YOU like your grave to be trompled over by pigs?? Mary Ann

For the Indiana folks: I'd like a quick comment on my observations from reading the Indiana codes on cemeteries: I find nothing that gives anyone the "right" to access a cemetery on private land. I find nothing that says you have to protect a private cemetery, e.g., fence it to keep the cows out. I did see some code about protecting a "public" cemetery but my reading of the code is a public cemetery is one that has been deeded to a public arm, like the township. A cemetery that is on private land and is still owned by the landowner is not, by my reading, "public" and does not have to be protected. If anyone can point me to any IC that says differently, please do. Thanks. Larry V. Stephens Office of Risk Management 812-855-9758 [email protected]

--=======31144942======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-3B5E7360; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Joe, Search the archives of the Brethren list on rootsweb. I bet you find Holderman. If/when you do, subscribe to the Brethren list and ask for information, such as an obit. The surnames you listed showed a bunch of Brethren names, and the Brethren list might help you with others. Brethren from the Miami Co OH area migrated as a group to Elkhart and St Joe counties, maybe nearby others. Perhaps he was buried just over the county line, depending on where he lived. Sharon Mills At 05:44 AM 8/10/2004, you wrote: >Hi! > I lost the kind response from someone on the list over the weekend in >regard to my request for "Elkhart Co. IN cemeteries". > "Thank you to that person." I have been a member of several lists in the >area, but have not had any luck locating any small or private cemetery >where I >my wife's Holderman might been buried. I was hoping someone might know of >such a cemetery that is not in the Elkhart Co. cemetery books published by >members of the Elkhart Co. Genealogical Society. > > Joe >Joseph R. Murnane > 4219 Jersey Rd. > Williamson, NY 14589 > 315-589-6631 > [email protected] > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >Cemeteries Restoration Project only. >Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname >and geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are >a better venue. >Thank you. > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 --=======31144942======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-3B5E7360 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 --=======31144942=======--

Hi! I lost the kind response from someone on the list over the weekend in regard to my request for "Elkhart Co. IN cemeteries". "Thank you to that person." I have been a member of several lists in the area, but have not had any luck locating any small or private cemetery where I my wife's Holderman might been buried. I was hoping someone might know of such a cemetery that is not in the Elkhart Co. cemetery books published by members of the Elkhart Co. Genealogical Society. Joe Joseph R. Murnane 4219 Jersey Rd. Williamson, NY 14589 315-589-6631 [email protected]

Hi Joe, I live in Elkhart Co.; what name specifically are you looking for? I can't guarantee that I will be able to find anything, but I'm out in the cemeteries most weekends and I'd be happy to keep my eye out or look anything up for you. Feel free to drop me a line! ~Rebecca Akens --- [email protected] wrote: > Hi! > I lost the kind response from someone on the > list over the weekend in > regard to my request for "Elkhart Co. IN > cemeteries". > "Thank you to that person." I have been a member > of several lists in the > area, but have not had any luck locating any small > or private cemetery where I > my wife's Holderman might been buried. I was hoping > someone might know of > such a cemetery that is not in the Elkhart Co. > cemetery books published by > members of the Elkhart Co. Genealogical Society. > > Joe > Joseph R. Murnane > 4219 Jersey Rd. > Williamson, NY 14589 > 315-589-6631 > [email protected] > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the > Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > Please do not send genealogical queries through this > list. The surname and geographic Mailing Lists on > Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are a better > venue. > Thank you. > > ===== Pilgrim how you journey on the road you chose To find out where the winds die and where the stories go... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Angela, I was just on Cafe Press to order my T-shirt and I saw the kids sizes are already there. I get a big DUH-UH for this one. Theresa tielking <[email protected]> wrote: Theresa, Cafe Press said it had children's sizes small through large, along with adult sizes. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] t-shirts > I didn't think about kid sizes. Do you want me to add them to our Cafe Press shop? I think they would be $13.99. Do you want the front & back design with the tombstone > in color? By the way, that whetstone belongs to my 4th GR Grandma, Alcie Harlan Robbins. It's in Locust Grove. > > Theresa > > tielking wrote: > Theresa, > > Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking time to do this for us. And thank > you to Sara too! > I agree....thanks, Ernie, for the wording on the shirt. > I am ordering for me, hubby and kids! > Angela T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Theresa Berghoff" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:49 AM > Subject: [INPCRP] t-shirts > > > > The t-shirts are ready at www.CafePress.com/inpcrp > > > > I apologize for taking so long to get this t-shirt thing together. I was > in way over my head. My daughter Sara did most of the work. I messed > something up & had to wait a couple weeks until Sara had time to straighten > it out. > > > > There are 2 designs, an actual tombstone on a white t-shirt, or a white > sleeveless T, with a front & back design, and a design adapted from a cast > iron bridge sign, on the front of a gray t-shirt. > > > > Ernie, thanks again for the wording for the t-shirt. It's great! > > > > I did not use the actual INPCRP logo, because I didn't have permission > when we started this project. Then there was a problem with the resolution > on the copy I had. It was very distorted when we tried to enlarge it. I was > thinking maybe we could put the logo on a polo shirt, if I can get a better > copy. > > > > Theresa > Berghoff > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > > http://www.inpcrp.org > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] > or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project only. Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname and geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are a better venue. Thank you. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.

Angela I tried to add the kid size t-shirts today. They are in the CafePress custom products, but there is some glitch in adding it to the INPCRP shop. I'll call the help line tomorrow to see what I have to do to get them in the shop. Several people have ordered shirts. This is great. Theresa tielking <[email protected]> wrote: Theresa, Cafe Press said it had children's sizes small through large, along with adult sizes. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] t-shirts > I didn't think about kid sizes. Do you want me to add them to our Cafe Press shop? I think they would be $13.99. Do you want the front & back design with the tombstone > in color? By the way, that whetstone belongs to my 4th GR Grandma, Alcie Harlan Robbins. It's in Locust Grove. > > Theresa > > tielking wrote: > Theresa, > > Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking time to do this for us. And thank > you to Sara too! > I agree....thanks, Ernie, for the wording on the shirt. > I am ordering for me, hubby and kids! > Angela T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Theresa Berghoff" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:49 AM > Subject: [INPCRP] t-shirts > > > > The t-shirts are ready at www.CafePress.com/inpcrp > > > > I apologize for taking so long to get this t-shirt thing together. I was > in way over my head. My daughter Sara did most of the work. I messed > something up & had to wait a couple weeks until Sara had time to straighten > it out. > > > > There are 2 designs, an actual tombstone on a white t-shirt, or a white > sleeveless T, with a front & back design, and a design adapted from a cast > iron bridge sign, on the front of a gray t-shirt. > > > > Ernie, thanks again for the wording for the t-shirt. It's great! > > > > I did not use the actual INPCRP logo, because I didn't have permission > when we started this project. Then there was a problem with the resolution > on the copy I had. It was very distorted when we tried to enlarge it. I was > thinking maybe we could put the logo on a polo shirt, if I can get a better > copy. > > > > Theresa > Berghoff > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > > http://www.inpcrp.org > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] > or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project only. Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname and geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are a better venue. Thank you. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!

Theresa, Cafe Press said it had children's sizes small through large, along with adult sizes. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] t-shirts > I didn't think about kid sizes. Do you want me to add them to our Cafe Press shop? I think they would be $13.99. Do you want the front & back design with the tombstone > in color? By the way, that whetstone belongs to my 4th GR Grandma, Alcie Harlan Robbins. It's in Locust Grove. > > Theresa > > tielking <[email protected]> wrote: > Theresa, > > Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking time to do this for us. And thank > you to Sara too! > I agree....thanks, Ernie, for the wording on the shirt. > I am ordering for me, hubby and kids! > Angela T. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Theresa Berghoff" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:49 AM > Subject: [INPCRP] t-shirts > > > > The t-shirts are ready at www.CafePress.com/inpcrp > > > > I apologize for taking so long to get this t-shirt thing together. I was > in way over my head. My daughter Sara did most of the work. I messed > something up & had to wait a couple weeks until Sara had time to straighten > it out. > > > > There are 2 designs, an actual tombstone on a white t-shirt, or a white > sleeveless T, with a front & back design, and a design adapted from a cast > iron bridge sign, on the front of a gray t-shirt. > > > > Ernie, thanks again for the wording for the t-shirt. It's great! > > > > I did not use the actual INPCRP logo, because I didn't have permission > when we started this project. Then there was a problem with the resolution > on the copy I had. It was very distorted when we tried to enlarge it. I was > thinking maybe we could put the logo on a polo shirt, if I can get a better > copy. > > > > Theresa > Berghoff > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > > http://www.inpcrp.org > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] > or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. >

Hello All: What makes me so irked is that if this was a Native American cemetery they couldn't touch it. I'm not prejudiced, but I don't see the difference. We had an incidence here in Tipton County where they were doing some bridge repair and called the local county historian out to see if there was any difficulty in doing the ground work because of there might be some Native American burials. I just don't see the difference. Joan Wray Tipton County ----- Original Message ----- From: "tielking" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Fw: El Monte Cemetery, Los Angeles County Hi Theresa and Sue, The Hancock County Cemetery Commission just caught wind that a developer wants to move a cemetery in Buck Creek Twp. There is not just one, but two cemeteries in close proximity to one another and both are in danger. Some people are unbelievable! I was so mad after I left the meeting. I couldn't sleep that night. That man is not going to move that cemetery if I have to lay in it myself! Who the heck does he think he is?! Here I go, getting myself all worked up again. We are working hard to stop it. We are going to try to convince the developer that a cemetery should be embraced as part of the history of the land. These are family cemeteries and the families cleared this land, worked it and made it what it is today . It is something that hopefully the new community that will take pride in and maintain. We have been restoring the Scotten cemetery for 2 years now and hope to have it finished before the end of the year. We have done all this work, and he just wants to go in there and destroy it. Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Fw: El Monte Cemetery, Los Angeles County > Sue, > This is unbelievable that people would want to move these burials & build on the land. It's the ultimate greediness. There were some very eloquent letters in opposition. I hope they move the people of the area to organize and save this cemetery. As for the people worried about ghosts, I realize this is a cultural thing, but as someone said, they should be much more worried if these graves are disturbed. > > Theresa Berghoff > > Sue Silver <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm sure you'll all like this one! Just didn't want you to think you were > the only ones with problems. > > Sue Silver > California > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Silver" > To: "Cemetery Friends" > Cc: "Steven Stymiest - Coordinator" ; "William > Spurlock" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:55 PM > Subject: El Monte Cemetery, Los Angeles County > > > > Greetings: > > > > Recent news has been noted regarding the El Monte Cemetery, also known as > > the Savannah Pioneer Cemetery and Savannah Memorial Park, in the City of > > Rosemead, Los Angeles County. > > > > The El Monte Cemetery Association is apparently experiencing financial > > difficulty and is contemplating selling the cemetery to developers. If > this > > were to occur, it has been stated that the 3,000 graves in the cemetery > will > > have to be disinterred and relocated elsewhere. > > > > If you have family ancestors or loved ones who were interred in this > > cemetery, you are encouraged to contact the El Monte Cemetery Association. > > I have posted a page covering what I've learned about the present > situation > > and other information I have found about the cemetery at the following > link: > > > > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/El_Monte_Cemetery_Rpt.htm > > > > If you have any questions about the information on the webpage, please > > contact me off list. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sue Silver, State Coordinator > > California Saving Graves > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

Thanks Theresa for your kindness. Our vice-president, who is also a county councilman, has talked to the county planning commissioner and took a copy of the law to him. He was aware of the new law, and made the comment that it would be difficult for him to move the cemetery (due to the law) and expensive. The cemetery president has contacted the county commissioner that supports us; and I have talked with Jeannie and gave her a heads up as to what may happen. We are planning on attending the planning commission meetings. We will also be sending a letter to the developer explaining the importance of the cemeteries and copies of the laws. Believe me, we are going to do everything that we can to save this cemetery. This developer won't be happy until he has every square inch of Hancock County developed. When county commissioners voted no for a new subdivision due to drainage issues, he threatened a lawsuit - just because he wasn't getting his way. What a nice guy. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Fw: El Monte Cemetery, Los Angeles County > Angela, > Let us know what we can do to help with the Hancock Co . Cemeteries. Do you need people for support at meetings ? Letters to the Co. Planning Commision? Remember that Julia Moffat of channel 13, and some of the other reporters who covered the Franklin stor,y seemed very open to cemetery issues. Don't lay down in front of the bulldozer yet. > Theresa > > tielking <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Theresa and Sue, > > The Hancock County Cemetery Commission just caught wind that a developer > wants to move a cemetery in Buck Creek Twp. There is not just one, but two > cemeteries in close proximity to one another and both are in danger. Some > people are unbelievable! I was so mad after I left the meeting. I couldn't > sleep that night. That man is not going to move that cemetery if I have to > lay in it myself! Who the heck does he think he is?! Here I go, getting > myself all worked up again. > > We are working hard to stop it. We are going to try to convince the > developer that a cemetery should be embraced as part of the history of the > land. These are family cemeteries and the families cleared this land, worked > it and made it what it is today . It is something that hopefully the new > community that will take pride in and maintain. We have been restoring the > Scotten cemetery for 2 years now and hope to have it finished before the end > of the year. We have done all this work, and he just wants to go in there > and destroy it. > Angela Tielking > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Theresa Berghoff" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Fw: El Monte Cemetery, Los Angeles County > > > > Sue, > > This is unbelievable that people would want to move these burials & > build on the land. It's the ultimate greediness. There were some very > eloquent letters in opposition. I hope they move the people of the area to > organize and save this cemetery. As for the people worried about ghosts, I > realize this is a cultural thing, but as someone said, they should be much > more worried if these graves are disturbed. > > > > Theresa > Berghoff > > > > Sue Silver wrote: > > I'm sure you'll all like this one! Just didn't want you to think you were > > the only ones with problems. > > > > Sue Silver > > California > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sue Silver" > > To: "Cemetery Friends" > > Cc: "Steven Stymiest - Coordinator" ; "William > > Spurlock" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:55 PM > > Subject: El Monte Cemetery, Los Angeles County > > > > > > > Greetings: > > > > > > Recent news has been noted regarding the El Monte Cemetery, also known > as > > > the Savannah Pioneer Cemetery and Savannah Memorial Park, in the City of > > > Rosemead, Los Angeles County. > > > > > > The El Monte Cemetery Association is apparently experiencing financial > > > difficulty and is contemplating selling the cemetery to developers. If > > this > > > were to occur, it has been stated that the 3,000 graves in the cemetery > > will > > > have to be disinterred and relocated elsewhere. > > > > > > If you have family ancestors or loved ones who were interred in this > > > cemetery, you are encouraged to contact the El Monte Cemetery > Association. > > > I have posted a page covering what I've learned about the present > > situation > > > and other information I have found about the cemetery at the following > > link: > > > > > > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/El_Monte_Cemetery_Rpt.htm > > > > > > If you have any questions about the information on the webpage, please > > > contact me off list. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Sue Silver, State Coordinator > > > California Saving Graves > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > have." > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to [email protected] > or to [email protected] (for DIGEST version) >

Theresa, Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking time to do this for us. And thank you to Sara too! I agree....thanks, Ernie, for the wording on the shirt. I am ordering for me, hubby and kids! Angela T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: [INPCRP] t-shirts > The t-shirts are ready at www.CafePress.com/inpcrp > > I apologize for taking so long to get this t-shirt thing together. I was in way over my head. My daughter Sara did most of the work. I messed something up & had to wait a couple weeks until Sara had time to straighten it out. > > There are 2 designs, an actual tombstone on a white t-shirt, or a white sleeveless T, with a front & back design, and a design adapted from a cast iron bridge sign, on the front of a gray t-shirt. > > Ernie, thanks again for the wording for the t-shirt. It's great! > > I did not use the actual INPCRP logo, because I didn't have permission when we started this project. Then there was a problem with the resolution on the copy I had. It was very distorted when we tried to enlarge it. I was thinking maybe we could put the logo on a polo shirt, if I can get a better copy. > > Theresa Berghoff > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > http://www.inpcrp.org >

Hi Theresa and Sue, The Hancock County Cemetery Commission just caught wind that a developer wants to move a cemetery in Buck Creek Twp. There is not just one, but two cemeteries in close proximity to one another and both are in danger. Some people are unbelievable! I was so mad after I left the meeting. I couldn't sleep that night. That man is not going to move that cemetery if I have to lay in it myself! Who the heck does he think he is?! Here I go, getting myself all worked up again. We are working hard to stop it. We are going to try to convince the developer that a cemetery should be embraced as part of the history of the land. These are family cemeteries and the families cleared this land, worked it and made it what it is today . It is something that hopefully the new community that will take pride in and maintain. We have been restoring the Scotten cemetery for 2 years now and hope to have it finished before the end of the year. We have done all this work, and he just wants to go in there and destroy it. Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Fw: El Monte Cemetery, Los Angeles County > Sue, > This is unbelievable that people would want to move these burials & build on the land. It's the ultimate greediness. There were some very eloquent letters in opposition. I hope they move the people of the area to organize and save this cemetery. As for the people worried about ghosts, I realize this is a cultural thing, but as someone said, they should be much more worried if these graves are disturbed. > > Theresa Berghoff > > Sue Silver <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm sure you'll all like this one! Just didn't want you to think you were > the only ones with problems. > > Sue Silver > California > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Silver" > To: "Cemetery Friends" > Cc: "Steven Stymiest - Coordinator" ; "William > Spurlock" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:55 PM > Subject: El Monte Cemetery, Los Angeles County > > > > Greetings: > > > > Recent news has been noted regarding the El Monte Cemetery, also known as > > the Savannah Pioneer Cemetery and Savannah Memorial Park, in the City of > > Rosemead, Los Angeles County. > > > > The El Monte Cemetery Association is apparently experiencing financial > > difficulty and is contemplating selling the cemetery to developers. If > this > > were to occur, it has been stated that the 3,000 graves in the cemetery > will > > have to be disinterred and relocated elsewhere. > > > > If you have family ancestors or loved ones who were interred in this > > cemetery, you are encouraged to contact the El Monte Cemetery Association. > > I have posted a page covering what I've learned about the present > situation > > and other information I have found about the cemetery at the following > link: > > > > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ca/state/El_Monte_Cemetery_Rpt.htm > > > > If you have any questions about the information on the webpage, please > > contact me off list. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sue Silver, State Coordinator > > California Saving Graves > > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA >

Hi everyone, I am a little late in checking my e-mails and just heard the audio of Helen and Mark. How neat! Helen and Mark explained it so well why we are doing what we are doing. Great job! Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Stoffer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:37 AM Subject: [INPCRP] More positive publicity > http://www.wpta.com/country/default.asp#2 > > Play the video, its great! Great job Mark and Helen. Really makes the point > of what we are trying to preserve. > > Rhonda Stoffer > Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services > Marion Public Library > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." >