A fellow Sons of the American Revolution member, Steve Ritchie of Muncie is interested in putting a Indiana Confederate Soldiers database. If you discover any other Confederate graves in your travels please let him know. Thanks so much! Steve Ritchie's his e-mail address is: [email protected] Mark Kreps Muncie, IN [email protected]

My sincere congratulations to some of the most dedicated hard working individuals this State of Indiana has ever had to offer in cemetery preservation, Brad and Walt. Well deserved and Kudo's past due. I'm appreciate the great coverage as well. Keep up the good work! Mark Kreps Muncie, IN -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Monday, September 13, 2004 09:13:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [INPCRP] Franklin City Council Information and photos from tonight's presentation in Franklin are online at http://www.inpcrp.org/franklin_council.html Brad ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > http://www.inpcrp.org .

Theresa, FYI, the Hancock County Cemetery Commission has a release of liablity form that the county insurance agent drew up for us. The cemetery commission and any volunteers must sign it before working, and copies are given to the township trustee (if we are working in a cemetery that is the trustee's responsibility). A signed permission slip is also signed by the cemetery commission president (or an authorized agent of the president) and the township trustee or private property owner to work in the cemetery. The chicken noodle dinner with Rep. Saunders did VERY well. It was a great idea. Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Pleasant Grove Cemetery update > Larry, > This insurance idea is interesting. Run it by Mr. Munson & see what he thinks. > As far as the church goes, I'm not sure which came first, Church or cemetery, or if they were ever connected. Maybe I should have asked that. At any rate, there is no connection at present, & when the Association runs out of $, the cemetery will be turned over to the Township Trustee. > You are certainly right about community awareness, and the current business climate in Warsaw. I would hope there would be enough concern & indignation to move the community to action. Maybe even a Kosciusko Co. coordinator for INPCRP.We can always hope. > > LIST, > What have other cemetery associations done about liability? Does anyone even worry about it when they have a work day? > What about fund raising? I remember Rep.Tom Saunders & the chicken noodle dinner for his Cemetery Association. > > Theresa > [email protected] wrote: > My wife Amy & I drove from Muncie after the damage happened and were > appalled with how many stones were pushed over and/or destroyed. > > I have a little experience with insurance and ins companies will usually > insure about anything--what if they used the monetary donations bought some > liability ins (for only a certain time period) and then made a push for > volunteers and more donations during a couple of weekends before the cold > hits - -I would think with the crime fresh there would be more community > awareness than if it sits unrepaired until spring. Warsaw is a happening > place business wise it seems--lots of high tech stuff--has to be a concerned > citzen/bsinessperson in the insurance business there that could make this > happen for them. > > I am somewhat mad at the church for saying they have no part of them--it is > right across the street-the church looks somewhat happening, and they share > the same name.--they can't just write them off--churches aren't supposed to > do that. 0k--no more soapbox--sorry. > > We both like the place--it is a nice cemetery--I've told Amy to bury me > there. > > If there is something I can do--I will do it. > > Respectfully: > > Larry Leahy > Muncie > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA >

Linda, The only law that I know of that provides access to landlocked cemeteries is IC 6-1.1-6.8 Section 15. Section 15 states, "The owner of land that is CLASSIFIED under this chapter as cemetery land must allow family members and descendants of persons buried in the cemetery to have at least one day each year to gain access to and visit the cemetery. The date of the visit to the cemetery must be agreed upon between the owner and the family members and descendants of persons buried in the cemetery." To classify a cemetery, the property owner must have the cemetery surveyed, which costs a pretty penny and then pay taxes on the cemetery. If the cemetery is over 1 acre, taxes are assessed at $1 per acre. If cemetery is under 1 acre it is taxed a flat fee of $1. I still don't know why anyone would have a cemetery classified? The property owner has to pay for the survey from his/her own pocket, pay taxes on it when they shouldn't, and then must allow visitors to cross their private property. If there is another ingress/egress law concerning cemeteries, I would like to know about it. I would question the employee further and see which law they are talking about. I am curious to hear what they say. Good luck! Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [INPCRP] State law > An employee at the Auditors office today said there is a state law for > cemeteries that are land locked; it provides access. Does anyone on the list know > the number? > Regards, > Linda > > Linda Grove > Liberty Township Trustee/Assessor > Howard County, Indiana > Office: 765.628.2402 > > Linda Gill Grove > Surname Researching: > IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann > NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor > "Their Story Is Our Story" > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. >

I think Brad and Walt should have gotten keys to the City! (grin) Congratulations to Brad and Walt; and a big thank you to all the other INPCRP members who volunteered. Sincerely, Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Manzenberger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Franklin City Council > Information and photos from tonight's presentation in Franklin are online at > http://www.inpcrp.org/franklin_council.html > > > Brad > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > http://www.inpcrp.org >

Information and photos from tonight's presentation in Franklin are online at http://www.inpcrp.org/franklin_council.html Brad

An employee at the Auditors office today said there is a state law for cemeteries that are land locked; it provides access. Does anyone on the list know the number? Regards, Linda Linda Grove Liberty Township Trustee/Assessor Howard County, Indiana Office: 765.628.2402 Linda Gill Grove Surname Researching: IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor "Their Story Is Our Story"

I think that's really terrific! Congratulations to all!! Sue Silver CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Manzenberger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:56 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Franklin City Council > Information and photos from tonight's presentation in Franklin are online at > http://www.inpcrp.org/franklin_council.html > > > Brad > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > http://www.inpcrp.org > >

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BRAD: CAME THROUGH OK JOAN ```````````````````````````````````````` ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Manzenberger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:09 AM Subject: [INPCRP] test For Joan... How now? Brad ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is undisguised. This is a cemetery. "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA

Brad, The link doesn't seem to work for me. I am requesting help on the Attica Cemetery. I live in Wisconsin and visit sporadically on business. - Mary Volmer Brad Manzenberger wrote on 9/9/2004, 7:41 AM: > I have added a Help Wanted page to the website for anyone seeking > volunteers > for their projects. If you would like to have your project added send > me the > pertinent details and I will post it online. > > http://www.inpcrp.org/help_wanted.html > > Brad > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > -- MaryBeth Volmer

I have added a Help Wanted page to the website for anyone seeking volunteers for their projects. If you would like to have your project added send me the pertinent details and I will post it online. http://www.inpcrp.org/help_wanted.html Brad

For Joan... How now? Brad

My wife Amy & I drove from Muncie after the damage happened and were appalled with how many stones were pushed over and/or destroyed. I have a little experience with insurance and ins companies will usually insure about anything--what if they used the monetary donations bought some liability ins (for only a certain time period) and then made a push for volunteers and more donations during a couple of weekends before the cold hits - -I would think with the crime fresh there would be more community awareness than if it sits unrepaired until spring. Warsaw is a happening place business wise it seems--lots of high tech stuff--has to be a concerned citzen/bsinessperson in the insurance business there that could make this happen for them. I am somewhat mad at the church for saying they have no part of them--it is right across the street-the church looks somewhat happening, and they share the same name.--they can't just write them off--churches aren't supposed to do that. 0k--no more soapbox--sorry. We both like the place--it is a nice cemetery--I've told Amy to bury me there. If there is something I can do--I will do it. Respectfully: Larry Leahy Muncie

Larry, This insurance idea is interesting. Run it by Mr. Munson & see what he thinks. As far as the church goes, I'm not sure which came first, Church or cemetery, or if they were ever connected. Maybe I should have asked that. At any rate, there is no connection at present, & when the Association runs out of $, the cemetery will be turned over to the Township Trustee. You are certainly right about community awareness, and the current business climate in Warsaw. I would hope there would be enough concern & indignation to move the community to action. Maybe even a Kosciusko Co. coordinator for INPCRP.We can always hope. LIST, What have other cemetery associations done about liability? Does anyone even worry about it when they have a work day? What about fund raising? I remember Rep.Tom Saunders & the chicken noodle dinner for his Cemetery Association. Theresa [email protected] wrote: My wife Amy & I drove from Muncie after the damage happened and were appalled with how many stones were pushed over and/or destroyed. I have a little experience with insurance and ins companies will usually insure about anything--what if they used the monetary donations bought some liability ins (for only a certain time period) and then made a push for volunteers and more donations during a couple of weekends before the cold hits - -I would think with the crime fresh there would be more community awareness than if it sits unrepaired until spring. Warsaw is a happening place business wise it seems--lots of high tech stuff--has to be a concerned citzen/bsinessperson in the insurance business there that could make this happen for them. I am somewhat mad at the church for saying they have no part of them--it is right across the street-the church looks somewhat happening, and they share the same name.--they can't just write them off--churches aren't supposed to do that. 0k--no more soapbox--sorry. We both like the place--it is a nice cemetery--I've told Amy to bury me there. If there is something I can do--I will do it. Respectfully: Larry Leahy Muncie ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: "Show me the manner in which a nation or community cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical exactness the tender mercies of its people, their respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty to high ideals." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping.

This is the cemetery in Kosciusko Co. that was vandalized twice this summer. It has appeared on Crime Stoppers, but no arrests have been made. The Cemetery is no longer part of the Pleasant Grove United Methodist Church. The Cemetery Association has only enough money to keep the cemetery mowed a couple more years. Doyle Munson, the Assoc. secretary -treasurer, says they have received one monetary donation, and some offers of clean up help from a variety of people, including Boy Scouts and a Veterans group. The FT. Wayne newspapers have offered support. Someone offered the use of some heavy equipment. The Association wants to accept help, but has concerns about liability in case someone is injured. They have asked a local monument company for an estimate of the damage. The Association will meet soon to try to figure out what to do. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

-------Original Message------- From: Mark Kreps Date: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:24:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Hawk Cem. Delaware Co The Hawk Cemetery was repaired recently by the graveyard groomer, Walt and his company. It looks terrific. Which is great news! I cannot describe in words how grateful I'm am to Walt and INPCRP. I don't know about the kid or any charges. If I find out I'll let you know. Mark Kreps Muncie, IN -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Friday, September 03, 2004 01:19:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [INPCRP] Hawk Cem. Delaware Co Has there been anything done at Hawk Cemetery in Delaware Co. to fix the damage? Has the kid or his parents been charged with anything or fined...? Brad ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. .

Hi Everybody: I am interested in finding a group of volunteers to help me and my family clean up a forgotten family cemetery in Haddon Township, Sullivan County Indiana. The cemetery was established in 1825 and still has many stones left, a few undamaged. This cemetery has not received any grounds care for at least ten years. I did not know it existed until I found in doing family history research. A road will be cut to the cemetery, but then, workers will be needed to help clear fallen trees, wild thicket, etc. The township will spray to destroy some of the unwanted foliage and work on it some but will not do it all. One option is to start in November clearing and finish up in the spring--or we could just wait to early spring to start. Is there anyone around Sullivan County, Indiana that would be ineteresting in helping? I also need help with resetting some stones. I hope I am speaking to the correct forum. Any guidance to volunteer groups would be greatly appreciated.

Has there been anything done at Hawk Cemetery in Delaware Co. to fix the damage? Has the kid or his parents been charged with anything or fined...? Brad

Joan, I'm sending you a photo of some gravestones covering the plots that I have in Romney cemetery. I have only found a few in my county. I heard there more common in the southern part of the state. Lou Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Joan Wray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: [INPCRP] question? > Hello group: > > Have a question. > > We have never ran into this before. > > We started working yesterday on the Tucker Cemetery which is on US31 > behind > the motel just south of SR28 junction. > > Our first stone was a stack stone mess which is about three stack stones > mixed together. Anyway, when we were digging trying to solve which goes > with which we found a long tablet type stone about at least 6 feet long, > finished front and back but the sides were rough cut. This stone had many > head size stones on top of it. It was actually between where the bases of > two of the stack stones went. Anyway, after getting it up, we decided > that > it must have been just to cover someone's grave. Have any of you ever > found > these? > > There also was one a little smaller behind one of the bases sitting > sideways > in the hole. It was shorter about 4 feet long again the sides were not > finished. > > Interested to hear from you on this > > Joan Wray > Tipton County > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >