Ernie, Rich worked on this one too. But we still have a bunch of pieces left. Like I said before. That is the hard part, not being able to finish all the pieces. And a question everyone working on cemeteries will eventually find themselves with sooner or later. The pile. This one is not current. But it shows the problem. http://www.rootsweb.com/~intcpcrg/2002-Routh/pallet5_24_2003.jpg We have already build base boxes for anything that could stand. I can't leave them on a pallet board forever. And when is it DONE so we can move on. LAC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote > Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate > unmarked > graves. > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. >

WHAT I READ IN THE 'FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS' IS THE FAMOUS '' WILL MAKE EVERY EFFORT'' TO AVOID SUCH AS CEMETERIES.....THIS CAN STRETCH A LONG WAY.....RUTH PRIDE WHEATLAND,,KNOX CO.

--=======18CB26FB======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-423D6C3C; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My husband attended the 1-69 meeting held in Bloomington weeks ago by the feds. He got the impression, although the feds didn't say so, that they felt they could do whatever they wanted with cemeteries. As president of the Morgan Co historic preservation society, he wanted some assurances about several cemeteries that it would be hard to miss with the current plans. If he read it right, the state folks intend to follow state law. Whether or not the feds think they have to do that is open to question. Sharon Mills At 11:28 AM 10/18/2004, you wrote: >It is my understanding that no cemeteries are to be disturbed; however, >you can check this out yourself here: > >http://deis.i69indyevn.org/ > >Regards, > >Rich Green --=======18CB26FB======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-423D6C3C Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 --=======18CB26FB=======--

Hi Greg, The initial study for the highway that was undertaken was 2 miles wide. This is reduced to a 2000-foot corridor and within the corridor is the actual roadway alignment with a 400-foot width. This makes it possible to adjust the final position of the highway to miss any potentially important sites, like pioneer cemeteries. In short, you won't find any known cemeteries within the currently established highway footprint even if you were to look at more detailed maps. If you need additional assurances about the future integrity of your relative's last resting place, or if you have information you think might be important to the welfare of 'any' pioneer cemeteries, you should follow the contact links from the previously posted web page and make the contractors aware of your concerns. Hope this helps. Best Regards, Rich Green Historic Archaeological Research 4338 Hadley Court West Lafayette, IN 47906 Office: (765) 464-8735 Mobile: (765) 427-4082 www.har-indy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Inman To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Re: Cemteries disturbed by highway Is there a more detailed map out there? From this big of scale it could be running just near by or right over the top of some of the Pioneer Cemeteries that I have ancestors in. Or is this as specific as they can be with the route at this time? Thanks for your time, Greg Rich Green wrote: > It is my understanding that no cemeteries are to be disturbed; however, you can check this out yourself here: > > http://deis.i69indyevn.org/ > > Regards, > > Rich Green > Historic Archaeological Research > 4338 Hadley Court > West Lafayette, IN 47906 > Office: (765) 464-8735 > Mobile: (765) 427-4082 > www.har-indy.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donna T > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > > Were there any Cemeteries endangered by the I69 project? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Green" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > > > Hi Ernie, > > > > Correction: Cooperation with Landmark was a temporary position for me > during the I69 Tier 1 study. My company contact information is in the > signature below. The HAR web site is as follows: > > > > http://www.har-indy.com > > > > Thanks for thinking of me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rich Green > > Historic Archaeological Research > > 4338 Hadley Court > > West Lafayette, IN 47906 > > Office: (765) 464-8735 > > Mobile: (765) 427-4082 > > www.har-indy.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ernie & Connie Lasley > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM > > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > > > > > > Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote > > Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate > unmarked > > graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological & > > Environmental Services, Inc., is located here: > > > > http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/ > > > > > > At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > >Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones > and > > >show the shapes without having to dig in any way. > > > > > >Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the > cleaning > > >of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days > work > > >so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning? > > > > > >Larry Leahy > > >Muncie(Delaware County) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > >INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > > >http://www.inpcrp.org > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, > IA > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org

Is there a more detailed map out there? From this big of scale it could be running just near by or right over the top of some of the Pioneer Cemeteries that I have ancestors in. Or is this as specific as they can be with the route at this time? Thanks for your time, Greg Rich Green wrote: > It is my understanding that no cemeteries are to be disturbed; however, you can check this out yourself here: > > http://deis.i69indyevn.org/ > > Regards, > > Rich Green > Historic Archaeological Research > 4338 Hadley Court > West Lafayette, IN 47906 > Office: (765) 464-8735 > Mobile: (765) 427-4082 > www.har-indy.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donna T > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > > Were there any Cemeteries endangered by the I69 project? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Green" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > > > Hi Ernie, > > > > Correction: Cooperation with Landmark was a temporary position for me > during the I69 Tier 1 study. My company contact information is in the > signature below. The HAR web site is as follows: > > > > http://www.har-indy.com > > > > Thanks for thinking of me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rich Green > > Historic Archaeological Research > > 4338 Hadley Court > > West Lafayette, IN 47906 > > Office: (765) 464-8735 > > Mobile: (765) 427-4082 > > www.har-indy.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ernie & Connie Lasley > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM > > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > > > > > > Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote > > Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate > unmarked > > graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological & > > Environmental Services, Inc., is located here: > > > > http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/ > > > > > > At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > >Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones > and > > >show the shapes without having to dig in any way. > > > > > >Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the > cleaning > > >of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days > work > > >so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning? > > > > > >Larry Leahy > > >Muncie(Delaware County) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > >INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > > >http://www.inpcrp.org > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, > IA > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org

It is my understanding that no cemeteries are to be disturbed; however, you can check this out yourself here: http://deis.i69indyevn.org/ Regards, Rich Green Historic Archaeological Research 4338 Hadley Court West Lafayette, IN 47906 Office: (765) 464-8735 Mobile: (765) 427-4082 www.har-indy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna T To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. Were there any Cemeteries endangered by the I69 project? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Green" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > Hi Ernie, > > Correction: Cooperation with Landmark was a temporary position for me during the I69 Tier 1 study. My company contact information is in the signature below. The HAR web site is as follows: > > http://www.har-indy.com > > Thanks for thinking of me. > > Regards, > > Rich Green > Historic Archaeological Research > 4338 Hadley Court > West Lafayette, IN 47906 > Office: (765) 464-8735 > Mobile: (765) 427-4082 > www.har-indy.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ernie & Connie Lasley > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > > > Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote > Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate unmarked > graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological & > Environmental Services, Inc., is located here: > > http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/ > > > At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones and > >show the shapes without having to dig in any way. > > > >Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the cleaning > >of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days work > >so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning? > > > >Larry Leahy > >Muncie(Delaware County) > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > >http://www.inpcrp.org > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is undisguised. This is a cemetery. "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA

Were there any Cemeteries endangered by the I69 project? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Green" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > Hi Ernie, > > Correction: Cooperation with Landmark was a temporary position for me during the I69 Tier 1 study. My company contact information is in the signature below. The HAR web site is as follows: > > http://www.har-indy.com > > Thanks for thinking of me. > > Regards, > > Rich Green > Historic Archaeological Research > 4338 Hadley Court > West Lafayette, IN 47906 > Office: (765) 464-8735 > Mobile: (765) 427-4082 > www.har-indy.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ernie & Connie Lasley > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. > > > Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote > Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate unmarked > graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological & > Environmental Services, Inc., is located here: > > http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/ > > > At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones and > >show the shapes without having to dig in any way. > > > >Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the cleaning > >of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days work > >so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning? > > > >Larry Leahy > >Muncie(Delaware County) > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > > >http://www.inpcrp.org > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org > >

Hi Ernie, Correction: Cooperation with Landmark was a temporary position for me during the I69 Tier 1 study. My company contact information is in the signature below. The HAR web site is as follows: http://www.har-indy.com Thanks for thinking of me. Regards, Rich Green Historic Archaeological Research 4338 Hadley Court West Lafayette, IN 47906 Office: (765) 464-8735 Mobile: (765) 427-4082 www.har-indy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernie & Connie Lasley To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging. Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate unmarked graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological & Environmental Services, Inc., is located here: http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/ At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones and >show the shapes without having to dig in any way. > >Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the cleaning >of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days work >so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning? > >Larry Leahy >Muncie(Delaware County) > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > >http://www.inpcrp.org ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is undisguised. This is a cemetery. "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA

Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate unmarked graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological & Environmental Services, Inc., is located here: http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/ At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones and >show the shapes without having to dig in any way. > >Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the cleaning >of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days work >so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning? > >Larry Leahy >Muncie(Delaware County) > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > >http://www.inpcrp.org

Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones and show the shapes without having to dig in any way. Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the cleaning of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days work so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning? Larry Leahy Muncie(Delaware County)

Thank you Angela, The question now is what to do with all the left over pieces. There is probably no way to find anymore. This site has been plowed down for over 80 years. It sits right in the middle of the farm field. The pieces we found in the old fence row is probably all we will ever find. I'm waiting for the descendants to come back to the area to finish the fence. I think we only have 1 stone left to put back up. Then either build on heck of a long base box or a cement slab to put these left over pieces on. They all represent someone from the past. It's frustrating not being able to finish them all The neighbors were sure interesting as we started that project. Some came to tell us funny stories and some came to express their concerns that it would cost the Trustee to much money. They didn't want their Trustee to spend money on this kind of hooie! And he didn't this one was on private property and we haven't charge anyone. L.A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Tielking" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery > L.A., > > What a difference! It is absolutely amazing! And some people would say the > cemetery was too far gone to restore. What a way to prove them wrong. > Sincerely, > Angela Tielking > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. CLUGH" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Hall of Fame requirements > > > > Brad here is one of my restorations that shows before and after. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~intcpcrg/2002-Routh/0_ProgressPage.html > > Called the Routh family cemetery. I probably should go take > > better photos trying to show it from the same spot. > > I like this idea of showing both before and after. > > If you think about it. Most of the destruction or > > overgrowth happened before the trustees or folks > > now in charge of these cemeteries. I think someone > > said a few years ago that our cemeteries lost their glamour > > after the depression when money was real hard to find. > > Who knows, I think each one has a different story > > but we should show the positive side of all this to I > > inspire others to join us. > > > > Also, some of you really need to change the subject > > line when you change your whole thought of the message > > you reply to. Pretty please.....-) > > Think about trying to find this one later. It would > > be under the money raising subject line. Just wipe it > > out and change it to the current thought. > > > > L.A. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brad Manzenberger" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:56 AM > > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] A novel way to raise money for a cemetery > > > > > > > For the Hall of Fame the cemetery should have been restored as much as > > > possible or be in the process of being restored. It's mainly a way to > . . show the positive side instead of it always being negative. > > > > > > Brad > > > >

L.A., What a difference! It is absolutely amazing! And some people would say the cemetery was too far gone to restore. What a way to prove them wrong. Sincerely, Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. CLUGH" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Hall of Fame requirements > Brad here is one of my restorations that shows before and after. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~intcpcrg/2002-Routh/0_ProgressPage.html > Called the Routh family cemetery. I probably should go take > better photos trying to show it from the same spot. > I like this idea of showing both before and after. > If you think about it. Most of the destruction or > overgrowth happened before the trustees or folks > now in charge of these cemeteries. I think someone > said a few years ago that our cemeteries lost their glamour > after the depression when money was real hard to find. > Who knows, I think each one has a different story > but we should show the positive side of all this to I > inspire others to join us. > > Also, some of you really need to change the subject > line when you change your whole thought of the message > you reply to. Pretty please.....-) > Think about trying to find this one later. It would > be under the money raising subject line. Just wipe it > out and change it to the current thought. > > L.A. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Manzenberger" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:56 AM > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] A novel way to raise money for a cemetery > > > > For the Hall of Fame the cemetery should have been restored as much as > > possible or be in the process of being restored. It's mainly a way to show > > the positive side instead of it always being negative. > > > > Brad > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joan Wray [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:18 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] A novel way to raise money for a cemetery > > > > > > Brad: > > > > What do you need in order for a cemetery quality for the "Hall of Fame"? > > > > Joan Wray > > Tipton County > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:53 PM > > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] A novel way to raise money for a cemetery > > > > > > Brad, > > I'm glad you are ok with taking care of the website, being list > > administrator, and media coordinator. You are doing a fantastic job! I > > just > > thought we should revisit the recommendations Lois made, so we could cover > > everything, and not have anyone > > get overwhelmed & burnt out. > > I hope Angela Tielking will be the official spokesperson for > > legislative issues. Angela,if you are out there, please think about it. > > You > > have done a great job so far. You have a good grasp of the issues, you are > > very articulate, and when you speak people can tell your heart is in this > > work. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > is the INPCRP State Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may have about the INPCRP. >

Theresa, I am so behind in my e-mail!! So sorry for responding so late........ I don't mind being the "spokesperson" for legislation. Though I don't like public speaking at all, I will do it because it is something I feel very strongly about. But, if anyone else wants to be the spokesperson, I will step aside. I left a message with Rep. Tom Saunders, and has not contacted me yet about our "Cemetery Maintenance Bill" HB 1441. I asked if it could be revived this session. I am sure he is very busy right now as it is an election year. As for the cemetery restorationist certification, I think this is not a bad idea. I have expressed this opinion before when we first talked about it. Walt, Mark and Helen would be excellent choices to sit on the certification board if they choose to do it. I know there are others that would be good choices as well, but I personally know Walt, Mark and Helen and know the excellent work that they do. I don't want to make anyone mad by not naming them here. I also think Jeannie with DNR-DHPA would be a good choice to be on the board. What about Lois? There are so many qualified people to make up this certification board. By the way, Lois, are you still on this list? I haven't seen a post from you in ages! Another thing I would like to see added to the list of wants is a probing permit by the DNR-DHPA. Jeannie knows how bad and how long I have wanted this to come to fruition. Just my 2 cents worth....... Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] A novel way to raise money for a cemetery > Brad, > I'm glad you are ok with taking care of the website, being list administrator, and media coordinator. You are doing a fantastic job! I just thought we should revisit the recommendations Lois made, so we could cover everything, and not have anyone > get overwhelmed & burnt out. > I hope Angela Tielking will be the official spokesperson for legislative issues. Angela,if you are out there, please think about it. You have done a great job so far. You have a good grasp of the issues, you are very articulate, and when you speak people can tell your heart is in this work. > > Larry, > Wow . You have put a lot of thought into the idea of certification.I will have to read your e-mail again to absorb it all. We have been down this road before. I remember there were some people who had been doing restoration for a long time who kind of took offense at the idea. In a way I understand that. I also know there are alot of people in this group who are very independent and some days not 3 of us could agree on a thing. > You are however right about the need to be recognized as preservationist with some training and experience. And we don't want every Tom, Dick, & Harry out running around claiming to know how to restore tombstones & making a bigger mess. So I guess this needs more discussion. Are there any other states with certification? Does the Association for Gravestone Studies or the National Center for Preservation Technology and Training give anything to their workshop participants? > > Theresa Berghoff > > > Brad Manzenberger <[email protected]> wrote: > Lots of great ideas Theresa! > > As far as breaking down the state coordinator, I have no problem with the > site, list admin and being the contact point for the media, etc. I think it > would be better if someone else coordinated legislative and educational > aspects of it. I can help, but I don't have the time to head them up. > > I am going to add the Hall of Fame to the site. Walt suggested it recently > and it is a very good idea. We need to show the positive side of this so > people in our communities can see that these places can be fixed. Hopefully > that will generate more interest. There is not a main Hall of Fame main page > yet- please stand by. > > I have placed one cemetery in the Hall of Fame- Spring Friends Cemetery in > Hendricks Co. This is the cemetery Jessica Felix has her students working > in. It can be accessed at > http://www.inpcrp.org/HallofFame/hendricks_spring_friends.html. > > I have also added a page for Tipton Co. which can be accessed through the > county coordinators page. Joan has sent me some more pictures and info that > I will get posted soon. > > If you have any candidates for the Hall of Fame please send them to me, but > be patient about getting them posted. I've had some free time and am taking > advantage of the great weather to get some restoration work done in > Franklin. > > Thanks, > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: Theresa Berghoff [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] A novel way to raise money for a cemetery > > > I'm glad this calendar/ fund raising discussion has come round to the > structure of the INPCRP. Some of us have been talking about this recently. > While it would be nice to have money for cemetery projects, the structure > needed for a 501c3 organization could be a burden and go against the grain > of some of us independent minded preservationist. > > I do think that we need more structure than we have. We have made great > strides this summer. Having Brad come on as webmaster & update the website > has made a world of difference. When Lois resigned, she broke down the State > Coordinators job description into 3 parts-webmaster- spokes person to do PR > & work with the Legislature - list monitor. We need to think about where we > want to go & what positions we need to get there > > .We have 2 new County coordinators, but most of the 92 counties are not > covered. > We need more visibility, that's what the t-shirts and requests for letters > to legislators,and county prosecutors is about. Most of the state doesn't > know we exist. Having some organization is helpful when we go to the > Legislature. > > Education is needed in these areas: > 1 cemetery care, maintenance, & repair guidelines for Township Trustees, > Cemetery > Associations & the people they hire. > 2 preservation project guidelines for Boy Scout & Girl Scout Councils, > schools ect. > 3 cemetery visitation guides for libraries, & genealogy societies. > 4 recording methods for County Recorders . > 5 cemetery law for the general public > Maybe we could joint venture some education material with the IN Township > Association, IN Historical Society, Historic Landmarks Foundation, or > DNR-DHPA. > > Other ideas I have heard: > more workshops & work days > more school projects like Rhonda Stoffer & Jessica Felix are doing > work with the Ball State Landscape Architecture & Historic > Preservation program > meet with IN Prosecutors group > create a Hall of Fame for restored cemeteries > vandalism response info for cemeteries > reunion for workshop people > Scott talked about doing a book of restored cemeteries > > So what about any of this? > Theresa > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) >

I would like to personally thank Theresa Berghoff, Helen Wildermuth and Mark Davis for the fantastic effort to correct the problem with Eli Coverdales' stone. I'd been looking for the stone for awhile and was dismayed to finally locate it and see how it had been set. Hopefully we can keep it like this for another 150 years! I'm forwarding a photo of the reset and cleaned stone to Brad. Regards, Bob Goode

Jessica, You are an inspiration! You are NOT bragging or think your project is better than anyone else's. You have provided us with valuable information. The Henry Co. Cemetery Advisory Board had been working on a cemetery education program, and I don't think we knew how to go about it. We had a lot of great ideas, but we didn't know how to run with them and implement them. Your cemetery program has given me, at least, some insight. Thank you so much! Angela Tielking ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica Felix" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:50 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery Lesson > Ok, people wanted to know more details about the > lesson, so I'll post some of what I told Angela when > she asked. > > I typed up a lesson plan to send to organizations for > grants. They really liked all the detailed > information I included, so I guess I would say, get > specific and you'll have a better chance. > I had guessed at how much work this would be, but it > still didn't prepare me for how much it actually > was... I should know by now; when you set up a > project for kids, you are basically doing all the work > they will do, then doing it again with them. I ended > up basically doing all the research once beforehand so > that I could check their's for accuracy. I didn't > want anything incorrect ending up on our CDROMs. > For the project, I compiled the 4 previous > readings from the library into an > Excel sheet and gave it to the kids, both > as a hard copy and in their computer files. In > partners, they picked a family to concentrate on and > for a week they researched them. For each member of > the family they filled out a data gathering form (we > did all of this on the computer, so no hard > copies--I'm just going to compile it all on CD). They > also found their family members on the 1850 census > (and other years if they had time) and transcribed it > into an Excel spreadsheet I set up. We used a lot of > books from the Danville Library (they were wonderful) > and ProQuest gave us free trials to Ancestry.com and > Heritage Quest. > Friday the 1st I spent the whole period telling and > showing them all of the restoration > processes--EVERYTHING. I figured they wanted to know > how to do more than cleaning, so we talked about the > Mastico and the tripod, and everything. It got them > interested. I made up wooden models and brought in > the actual supplies to demonstrate leveling, > resetting, repairing, etc. > Monday the 4th we spent the whole day at the cemetery. > They basically started with a general tour and were > able to find their family's stones, some that I had > already fixed and some that they could fix. They > worked with their partners and went through all the > steps the stones needed. Since there were only 15 > kids and I had chaperones, I was able to be there > enough to let them do everything. They got a lot more > out of doing it themselves instead of me showing them > how. Larry Tippin came with the tripod and let the > kids do most of the repairing of the large stack > stone. At this age they're so big on hands-on > activities. They want to be responsible, and they > want to make a difference. I think this sort of > project does that very well. At the end of the day > they were able to see a few finished stones that they > were completely > responsible for. Of course, this whole project has > left me sleepless for many nights, but all my stress > is worth it! lol > After the field trip they had another few days to wrap > up the research, and some did extra research on some > stones they saw in the cemetery and wanted to know > more about. > Let me know if you anyone wants anything else. I can > send examples of spreadsheets and grant proposals. > This was the first round of this (so we're not > perfect). We're going again November 16th, and then > again > in April. Next year I'm trying to get all the 8th > grade teachers on board to make it an > interdisciplinary unit. Science will teach about the > makeup of stones, reactions to cleaners, decay and > decomposition, etc. Math is going to work on > calculations of age, birthdate, etc. English is > probably going to read "Spoon-River Anthologies" and > do some writing assignments. Social Studies has the > bulk...they're going to do the research that I did in > my class. Shop class is going to make wooden signs > for the cemeteries, and art is going to do some > "kicked-up" rubbings and digital picture > manipulations. If anyone has any other ideas of topics > that could be covered in the other classes (plus any > ideas for gym and home economics????) please email me. > I'm trying to put together a list of my > brainstormings to give to the other teachers. > Hopefully we can get everything set by the end of the > year so that next year it will be a full-school unit. > Oh yeah...and Brad's questions... Getting the > principal involved was no problem. He is a former > history teacher and loved the idea. I did come to him > with a complete lesson plan and state standards that > the project was covering. (That's the kicker right > now--school's are held accountable for meeting state > standards, so if you can show how the project does > that, you're pretty good.) Plus the fact that this is > sort of "weird" or at least very different from other > projects makes this a standout unit. Kids are > interested in the unexpected, so this is just enough > to get them excited. > In terms of grant money, I now have received a total > of $1250. Enough work tools for about 20 students > costs about $500. The other big expenses are books. > We rented this first time from the library so I could > see which books we relied on the most. (The Danville > Library was the only cooperative one. The rest > refused to loan us any reference materials.) Now I am > in the process of buying some of the Histories of > Hendricks County, etc. Books are surprisingly > expensive. Some more of the money is going towards > 1-2 digital cameras. Our school only has one old one, > and I would love some for the art department, so I'm > making this a priority. We are currently relying on > ProQuest to give us free trials of Ancestry and > HeritageQuest. They have been invaluable. However, a > year's subscription for a school is $1320. Can you > believe it?? There's no way we can afford that! > Ok. I think that's it. Sorry to ramble. If I missed > something, let me know. > I know I'm new to this. I have tried to learn as much > as I can, but I'm still new and still not perfect. If > you see anything I'm doing wrong, please let me know. > I'm not trying to run in here and act like I'm the > best or anything. I've been working very hard and I > know there are plenty of others that work hard too. I > just didn't want anyone to think I'm bragging or think > my project is any better than anyone elses...it just > happened to be a big deal in this county where nothing > else is happening! > Thanks for all the support! > Jessica > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. >

Anyone that has sent me information or pictures for the website that have not been posted please resend them to me. My computer crashed and I lost all of my email messages. Thanks, Brad [email protected]

L.A.: can you give me your e-mail address? Joan Wray Tipton County ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. CLUGH" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Madison County Cemetery Commission web site Welcome Melody, We are a passionate bunch of cemetery folks on this list. Your site looks really great! Best of luck to you and your volunteers. L.A. ~Tippecanoe County. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hull" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: [INPCRP] Madison County Cemetery Commission web site > INPCRP Members, > > I am new to the list of volunteer county contacts and have been reading > some of the recent e-mails. > > Since we have the same concerns involving restoration and preservation of > our pioneer cemeteries, I'd like to invite all of you to visit our web > site > www.cemeteries-madison-co-in.com. Madison County has had a cemetery > commission since 1973. Even though we've been in existence for that long > and have restored many of our almost 100 pioneer/settlers' cemeteries, we > still have projects to complete that will keep us busy for quite a few > years more. > Our web site has a web page for each cemetery that includes a list of > burials, history, bits of biographies, directions, and pictures. We have > a > Madison County pioneer history page as well as a history for each > township. > In "Photo Galleries," we show the procedure we use for restoring a > cemetery. I know that has been an e-mail topic of late. > > Our present project is the Cottrell Cemetery in Green Township. This is > certainly a horror story for descendents and cemetery preservationists, > but after quite a few years of legal wrangling and work, the resolution > will be a happy one. > > Comments and questions are certainly welcomed. > > Best regards, > Melody Hull > MCCC secretary > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)

Welcome Melody, We are a passionate bunch of cemetery folks on this list. Your site looks really great! Best of luck to you and your volunteers. L.A. ~Tippecanoe County. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hull" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: [INPCRP] Madison County Cemetery Commission web site > INPCRP Members, > > I am new to the list of volunteer county contacts and have been reading > some of the recent e-mails. > > Since we have the same concerns involving restoration and preservation of > our pioneer cemeteries, I'd like to invite all of you to visit our web > site > www.cemeteries-madison-co-in.com. Madison County has had a cemetery > commission since 1973. Even though we've been in existence for that long > and have restored many of our almost 100 pioneer/settlers' cemeteries, we > still have projects to complete that will keep us busy for quite a few > years more. > Our web site has a web page for each cemetery that includes a list of > burials, history, bits of biographies, directions, and pictures. We have > a > Madison County pioneer history page as well as a history for each > township. > In "Photo Galleries," we show the procedure we use for restoring a > cemetery. I know that has been an e-mail topic of late. > > Our present project is the Cottrell Cemetery in Green Township. This is > certainly a horror story for descendents and cemetery preservationists, > but after quite a few years of legal wrangling and work, the resolution > will be a happy one. > > Comments and questions are certainly welcomed. > > Best regards, > Melody Hull > MCCC secretary > > >

(front page - Headline Story) Remembering Catherine Winters By Eldon Pitts FOR THE COURIER-TIMES Wednesday, October 13, 2004 No one ever admitted knowing for certain what happened to 9-year-old Catherine Winters, who disappeared from the streets of New Castle on March 20, 1913. The girl never was seen alive again. And whether she died that day, or died years later, she never was afforded a proper burial - or at least a memorial service - in her hometown. Now, thanks to the efforts of the Henry County Cemetery Commission and Macer-Hall Funeral Home, a memorial for Catherine Winters will be placed in the sunken gardens at South Mound Cemetery. The public is invited to attend a dedication service at 2:30 p.m. Sunday at the cemetery. Feb. 10 of this year would have been Catherine's 100th birthday. "We wanted to do something to memorialize her," said Donna Tauber, president of the Cemetery Commission, who will deliver welcoming comments at Sunday's service. Commission members contacted Sam Hall of Macer-Hall Funeral Home, which agreed to provide the memorial marker for Catherine. During Sunday's service, Dr. Donnie Hamilton, New Castle teacher, author and historian, will present the history of the Catherine Winters case. Hamilton, a New Castle city council member, has had magazine articles published about the Winters disappearance. He played a prominent role in the publication of the popular local book "New Castle: A Pictorial History." One of Henry County's foremost historians, Hamilton also wrote the book "Hoosier Temples," about storied Indiana basketball gyms. Also during Sunday's memorial service, vocalist Pat Cronk will perform "Where Did Catherine Winters Go?" a local song written about the girl's disappearance. Mayor Tom Nipp will provide a prayer and acceptance of the memorial. Henry County Historian Richard Ratcliff will present a historical overview. And Dr. Richard Strong will provide the closing music, "Amazing Grace." There will be a reception and freewill offering to the Henry County Cemetery Commission following the program. The Sarah Winston Henry DAR Chapter will provide refreshments. The cemetery commission is a non-funded entity, which operates strictly on donations.

INPCRP Members, I am new to the list of volunteer county contacts and have been reading some of the recent e-mails. Since we have the same concerns involving restoration and preservation of our pioneer cemeteries, I'd like to invite all of you to visit our web site www.cemeteries-madison-co-in.com. Madison County has had a cemetery commission since 1973. Even though we've been in existence for that long and have restored many of our almost 100 pioneer/settlers' cemeteries, we still have projects to complete that will keep us busy for quite a few years more. Our web site has a web page for each cemetery that includes a list of burials, history, bits of biographies, directions, and pictures. We have a Madison County pioneer history page as well as a history for each township. In "Photo Galleries," we show the procedure we use for restoring a cemetery. I know that has been an e-mail topic of late. Our present project is the Cottrell Cemetery in Green Township. This is certainly a horror story for descendents and cemetery preservationists, but after quite a few years of legal wrangling and work, the resolution will be a happy one. Comments and questions are certainly welcomed. Best regards, Melody Hull MCCC secretary