Researching the line of John Knoll and Susannah Knipe. John Knoll born 8-7-1813 in Herxheim Germany and he migrated to the US July 1832(ship unknown). He married Susannah Knipe 5-29-1834 in Wayne county IN.They migrated on to Owen county IN in the year 1840 and they had 14 children. John is the son of Andrew and Margaret (Mock) Knoll and Susannah Knipe is the daughter of John Knipe and wife Sophia. I would appreciated any info on the wife of John Knipe as I have no last name or anything. Any info on this line I am willing to trade info on. Debbie Jennings debj@comsys.net "Following the footprints through time"

I'm looking for any connection to the family of Noah Gilpin HAYDEN b. ca1798-1804 Mercer Co.KY. m. Unity C. PATTERSON b. 19 Sep 1802 VA....Their family lived in Orange Co.IN during the 1840s time period after they migrated from Mercer Co.KY. The family lived then in Monroe & Greene Co.IN. with ties to Owen Co.IN as well. I believe that Noah most probably died in Orange Co.IN, but I do not know where? They had the following children: Noah D. Hayden b. 1826 KY, Mary Jane Hayden b. 21 Sep 1827 KY, Permilia Catherine Hayden b. 25 Jan 1830 KY, Thomas J.Hayden b. 1832 KY, Martin C. Hayden b. 1834 KY, Samuel Hayden b. 1837 KY, Elias Hayden b. 1839 KY and Robert Wright Hayden b. 1842 IN. I know that Mary Jane married James McGraw COMBS in Orange Co. 23 Feb 1845. If you know any of this line, please contact me. Thanks so much, N.J.Skinner White VWhite0901@aol.com

Looking for a connection to a REDNOUR....{various spellings} family living in Orange Co. I know for sure 1845 time frame. Noah Henry REDNOUR b. ca1805-1812 Va. married Permelia Catherine HAYDEN b. 25 Jan 1830 KY. in Orange Co.IN 29 May 1845....in the marriage records it is listed as Noah REDENOUR and Permelia C. HADEN.... I would like to find Noah's parents and siblings.....I only know that Noah was a chairmaker and after he married he and his wife had moved to Monroe Co.IN by 1850 and by 1860 they were in Owen Co....Freedom,IN. That is where their family lived out their lives. If there is anyone who might know of a REDNOUR family living in Orange Co.IN, please contact me. Thanks so much, N.J.Skinner White VWhite0901@aol.com

Carla wrote: >Can someone please tell me what township Stockton is in and how far >Stockton is from Coal City? >Thank you very much, >Carla >charris@texas.net Stockton is about 2 miles NE of Coal City in Jefferson Twp. Only one or two houses there now. A Harris used to have store in Coal City. John, Clay Co. IN

Hello, I am researching my Harris family and found out my 2nd great-grandfather, Jacob S. Harris, moved from Tuscarawas Co., OH to Stockton, IN in Owen Co. in 1884. This information came from his obituary printed, I think, in a Coal City newspaper in 1914. Can someone please tell me what township Stockton is in and how far Stockton is from Coal City? Thank you very much, Carla charris@texas.net

Listmembers: I am repeatedly receiving bounced messages which are due to persons mailboxes being full and mail cannot be delivered. This also results in being unsubscribed from the list after the computer attempts 3 deliveries and they all fail. Then I have persons writing and upset for being unsubscribed and then they are resubscribed. This is happening often enough now, although at the beginning of summer I asked everyone to just unsub during their vacations. >From this point on--if you are unsubbed due to a full mailbox and you are resubbed and there are repeated recurrences, you will be place on the list to no longer be able to subscribe to the list. I can understand it happening occassionally, but I am having the same persons over and over. I am sorry this is harsh, but the situation is getting out of hand now.I am tired of being placed at fault for someone being unsubbed when they would not empty their mailboxes. I am more then happy to resub you after a vacation or whatever. Debbie Jennings debj@comsys.net "Following the footprints through time"

o k just wondered. On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:09:13 EDT VWhite0901@aol.com writes: >bass103@juno.com writes: ><< > don't know much about Burks but do they connect to Fred Harold Burk >born > November 9, 1909 and died November 9, 1998. >> > > I don't have Fred in my database of Burks, but I'm sure I don't >have them >all listed as of yet?? > >N.J. : ) >in MI. > > >==== INOWEN Mailing List ==== >To get the most out of your posting please use your subject lines >effectively and don't recycle others. > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

bass103@juno.com writes: << don't know much about Burks but do they connect to Fred Harold Burk born November 9, 1909 and died November 9, 1998. >> I don't have Fred in my database of Burks, but I'm sure I don't have them all listed as of yet?? N.J. : ) in MI.

don't know much about Burks but do they connect to Fred Harold Burk born November 9, 1909 and died November 9, 1998. On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:37:06 EDT VWhite0901@aol.com writes: > My Burks family finally came to settle in Greene and Owen Counties >and >living close to Monroe Co. If anyone is connected.....drop me a >line. > >Here is my BURKS family........ > >Richard BURKS b. ca1740 Prince Ed Co.VA > + Elizabeth Mims/Mimms > 2 John BURKS b. ca1760 Rockbridge Co.VA. > + Mary Unknown > 3 Edmund BURKS b. ca1778 VA. > + Elizabeth Everly b. ca1780 MD. > 4 Edmund BURKS II b. 1818 Mercer Co.KY. > + Hannah JOHNSON b 1831 {2nd wife} > 5 David B. "Floyd" BURKS b. 1870 Greene Co.IN > + Martha Jane ARTHUR b. 1893 Greene Co.IN. {2nd >wife} > 6 Stella Ethel BURKS b. 1894 Greene Co.IN > +Virgil NOEL b. 1887 Greene Co.IN > > >Thanks, >N.J.Skinner White >in MI. > > >==== INOWEN Mailing List ==== > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

My Burks family finally came to settle in Greene and Owen Counties and living close to Monroe Co. If anyone is connected.....drop me a line. Here is my BURKS family........ Richard BURKS b. ca1740 Prince Ed Co.VA + Elizabeth Mims/Mimms 2 John BURKS b. ca1760 Rockbridge Co.VA. + Mary Unknown 3 Edmund BURKS b. ca1778 VA. + Elizabeth Everly b. ca1780 MD. 4 Edmund BURKS II b. 1818 Mercer Co.KY. + Hannah JOHNSON b 1831 {2nd wife} 5 David B. "Floyd" BURKS b. 1870 Greene Co.IN + Martha Jane ARTHUR b. 1893 Greene Co.IN. {2nd wife} 6 Stella Ethel BURKS b. 1894 Greene Co.IN +Virgil NOEL b. 1887 Greene Co.IN Thanks, N.J.Skinner White in MI.

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I have December 29, 1786 as his birthdate......Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: <Conselyea@aol.com> To: <INOWEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 8:42 PM Subject: [INOWEN] Hubbell/Fiscus > Ken and Lorraine, > > Will you please clarify if Abijah and Ahijah HUBBELL are different people, > and if not, which is the correct spelling? > > I have yet another spelling--Ahigah Hubbell, son of John Hubbell and Mary > Robinson and wonder if this is the same family. I have no birthdate for > Ahigah but he has siblings born 1778 and 1780. > > Hulda FISCUS is in my husband's line. > > > s/o Abijah HUBBELL b. abt 1786 m. Sarah Jacobs b. abt 1786 > > >looking for information on burial places for William and Ahijah > > Priscilla and Gordon Greenwood > > > ==== INOWEN Mailing List ==== > To get the most out of your posting please use your subject lines > effectively and don't recycle others. > >

I have a Peter Shuler born abt 1814 who married my Jane Hancock in Owen County in 1836. In the early 1850's they moved from Indiana to Monroe County Iowa. Just wondering if this Peter would have any connection to any Shulers in your line, etc. Cindy

Priscilla and Gordon, I don't really know for sure whether it was AHijah or ABijah. The records seem to use the names interchangably. In the written language the h and b were quite similar and could easily be mistook for each other. Both are Biblical names so that doesn't help either. In most cases, the public record, land records, etc. seem to have ABijah. On the other hand, William, s/o Abijah, named one of his sons AHijah and it is recorded in the 1850 census of Owen Co. as Hijah. The Hubbell Family History available from the Hubbell Family Historical Society also has AHijah. I have used AHijah in all my family files because of that. You can get ahold of the HFHS on the web at: http://www.hubbell.org/ If you happen to come on to any primary documents which would resolve the issue, please let me know....Thanks, Ken

There were some Shulers in Morgan co Ind. They were from Randolph co NC. One was Anna Shuler who married Lewis Tucker. Her father was Adam Shuler. The name also spelled Schuler.

This is an area that has needed addressed for a long time. Really, in posting effectively you are helping yourselves as much as others. Posts to message boards, mailing lists, and newsgroups are great ways to connect with researchers with similar interests, to seek information, or to locate long lost cousins. But getting results requires more than just a little luck. It takes a well though out query to get results. Below are some tips for writing an effective query that will increase your chances for success. GOOD SUBJECT LINES First and foremost, you want to capture the readers' attention. In message boards and in E-mail messages, an effective, specific and informative subject line is the key to successful communication. I have seen messages posted with the following actual subject lines: JONES John Smith ATTENTION: OHIO Wilson Researchers!!! STILL LOOKING FOR CONNECTIONS HELP!!! These are not good subject lines. They tell the reader nothing to help him or her determine if the content of the message is of interest to them.An effective subject line for surname research contains the following: 1. Name of the individual, with the surname in all capitals--such as Isaac WILSON; 2. The location where you are seeking records, such as NC or Mecklenburg Co., NC; and 3. The time period, such as 1850-1885 or Late 1880s This information provides readers with many details in a brief subject line that allows them to determine if they want to read the posting. Here are some examples of good actual subject lines: MORRISON, HARRIS b. 1846 m. Rosa Havner Susan Elzie MORRISON b 1857 AR Whitfield, Thomas 1806 TN John Ball b. abt 1767 m Rachel King John McKnitt ALEXANDER - 1733-1817 - MD>NC The use of the > character in the subject line above indicates that the person moved from one place to another and is an excellent way to briefly communicate movement between locations. GOOD MESSAGE CONTENT The second important component of an excellent posting is the content of the message. You should indicate the name of the person you are researching (one person per posting is a good rule of thumb). You should state exactly what information you are seeking. Finally, you should include as much pertinent information as possible for the reader to determine if they have information that will help you. The following is an example of an effectively constructed message: "I am seeking names and vital dates about the parents of Lydia Lenora PATTERSON, b. 13 November 1833 (place unknown) and d. 28 August 1914 at Davidson (Mecklenburg Co.) NC. She married Joseph McKnitt WILSON on 8 April 1856 in Mecklenburg Co., NC, and they produced at least nine children but there may have been as many as twelve. I would also be interested in names, dates and spouse/family information about these siblings." In this example, the subject's name, vital dates, location and additional information about spouse and children are listed. The message is concise and contains enough details for the reader to determine if he or she has information that might assist the researcher who posted the message. - Get to the point. Most people don't want to take the time to read a long drawn out query. The first paragraph should contain the "Who, What, Where, and When" of your request. Details can be filled in after you have gotten the attention of your targeted audience. - Include only one request in your post. Too many requests may decrease your chances for a response. Other inquiries can be posted separately. - Include places you have already checked for the information. Otherwise you may be wasting other people's time, as well as your own, as you will have half a dozen replies telling you to search the obvious places that you have already checked. - Capitalize SURNAMES so that they are easy to pick out of the post and subject lines. (You shouldn't capitalize an entire message as it makes it more difficult to read and some people consider it the online equivalent of shouting.) - Be careful with abbreviations in your query. Remember that many forums have members from all parts of the world and others may not be familiar with the same abbreviations that we use. So spell it out whenever possible. This will eliminate the possibility for misinterpretation. - When posting to a mailing list, check your e-mail settings. Make sure you are only sending plain text to mailing lists. Others may not have the capability to read HTML coded messages and you want your message to be received and readable by as many people as possible. - Do not send your query as an attachment. Many viruses are transmitted as attachments and as a result, most people wisely refrain from opening attachments on email from people they don't know. - Sign your post with your name and e-mail address. Some e-mail readers don't show the address that an e-mail is received from and a recipient with the information you are looking for can't respond to you if they don't have your e-mail address. - Re-read your post carefully before you send it. Check for typos. Did you include all the necessary information? (Remember the 4 W's: Who, What, Where, When) Are all of your facts correct? Have you signed it properly? - Make sure your post is neat, and polite. Manners count online too. - Be careful of what information you post online, particularly when referring to living persons. Be sure to respect people's privacy and keep yourself and your family safe from those who might use information found online for fraudulent purposes. - If you find information worth sharing, post it to the appropriate list and share the source of the information so that others may benefit from your "finds." As you help others, they will be more eager to help you in return. - Always be polite on the lists and refrain from flaming. No one wants to help someone who is constantly complaining or mean to others. - Keep a log of your e-mail messages so you know what requests you have already put out and when.I keep mine in a folder and repost as necessary without having to retype them. I eliminate them as they are answered. By using common sense and following simple guidelines, you can benefit greatly from genealogical forums. They are a great place to make friends, find relatives, and information. SUMMING UP Consider for a moment the E-mails and message board postings you see every day. Which ones will capture your interest first? Which ones are you most likely to read first? Do some of them provide insufficient information for you to make a decision? Do you even know what is being asked? For a reversal on this thought, which emails didn't you answer, even if you had the info? What did those look like? Which ones did you immediately discard? Why? I am certain that the discarded ones are not the example to follow. As you can see in the examples above, a thoughtfully constructed posting that includes a meaningful subject line and detail-rich content is more likely to elicit responses. Invest a little time in creating better message board postings and chances are you will expand your research and achieve some new successes. Debbie Jennings debj@comsys.net "Following the footprints through time"

Need parentage of above lady, Matilda NUTTERFIELD, who married James Baldon, early Owen Co., In., J,P.... Also, need her relationship to Nancy Nutterfield, on Owen Co. census of 1840, and to Eliza Nutterfee, wife of John Carter Jr., of Taylor Twp., Owen Co., and Cloverdale Twp., Putnam, Co., In, from 1830's until her death in 1866. Dick Carter rcar37@prodigy.net

Seeking parents of Sylvan Shuler, who married Ruby Pottorf, Mid 1930's, probably in Morgan Co., In. Ruby was a school teacher at Lopossa School, Owen County, In., and later for many years at Paragon, In. Also, need parents of Ruby. Dick Carter rcar37@prodigy.net

Family Folklore, traditions, legends we all have these and for the most part they are interesting,sometimes exciting, sometimes downright unbelievable.Since I have seen alot of postings lately regarding what people have "heard" in the family, but it can't be proven I thought I might cover a few ways in which they can at least start to be proven. Everyone knows just how easily a repeated tradition can, over time become acceptable fact. We all have family traditions. Some are colorful, some are entertaining; some are exaggerations, and some are bold-faced lies. All can be used genealogically, whether for actual clues or just to provide "colorful" stories to add to the family history. Most traditions are not completely false and contain a buried grain of truth. Finding that grain of truth and determining the difference between truth and fiction is not a simple matter. One approach to sifting the fact from the fiction is to break the story into those aspects that are potentially provable and those that are not. The lines between potentially provable and not provable are not always clear, but an attempt to categorize the story's aspects may further your research. The phrase "potentially provable" is used instead of "provable" to remind the researcher that an event that resulted in the creation of records in one time and place might not have resulted in the creation of records in another time and place. Potentially provable items are those that reasonably resulted in the creation of some type of record. The record may or may not be an official record. A knowledge of the typical records for the time period under study makes the analysis easier. This knowledge can be gained by reading listservs, genealogy books, and magazines, and by attending conferences and other activities that expand your genealogical knowledge. We will look at two traditions to see how they can be broken apart for potential clues, and we’ll discuss briefly what information was discovered. Tradition #1 "Riley Rampley served in the Civil War. He was with General Sherman on the famous 'March to the Sea.' While on his way home (riding on a horse), he met a young lady (Nancy Newman) who was on her way home from a house where she had been serving. When he got home, he told his mother he had met the girl he was going to marry." Several aspects of this tradition might have generated records. There are certain other parts that are difficult to validate unless diaries or contemporary letters are found. I analyzed the story in the following manner. POTENTIALLY PROVABLE Riley's Civil War service--through service records and pension records The involvement of Riley's unit in the "March to the Sea"--through regimental histories and Riley's service record The marriage of Riley and Nancy--through marriage records MOST LIKELY UNPROVABLE Riley meeting Nancy on his way home from the war and subsequently telling his mother he had met the woman he was going to marry. What Is Known Riley served in Company D of the Illinois Volunteer Infantry and was with Sherman on the "March to the Sea." This information was obtained from military service records and a history of the 78th Illinois. Nancy and her parents moved to Illinois in 1863-64 while Riley was in the service. This information was obtained from Nancy's obituary, her husband's biography, and from research on Nancy's siblings. Land records indicated that Nancy's parents owned a farm adjacent to that owned by Riley's parents. It is likely that the first time Riley saw Nancy was after he returned from the war. The couple was married in 1867, a few years after Riley's return from service. Tradition #2 "Grandma Haase was first married to a Mr. Beger. They lived in Warsaw (in Hancock County, IL) and had two little girls, Frances and Louisa. Mr. Beger died by drowning, and Grandma sold sandwiches to the men who came to sell things at the river (Warsaw is on the Mississippi River). Grandma later married my grandfather, Conrad Haase." POTENTIALLY PROVABLE The death of Peter Beger The birth of two daughters or the existence of two daughters The marriage of Peter and "Grandma Haase" The marriage of Conrad Haase and "Grandma Haase" MOST LIKELY UNPROVABLE "Selling sandwiches" didn't require a license in the 1850s, and there probably wouldn't be a way to document this. What Is Known Peter Bieger died in Warsaw, Illinois in November of 1855 (per his probate records). A guardianship case for his two daughters gives their names and dates of birth. A newspaper article on his accidental death appeared in the Warsaw, Illinois paper and indicated that he accidentally shot himself instead of drowning. No marriage record for he and "Grandma Haase" (whose name was Barbara) has been found in the area. A marriage record for "Grandma" and Conrad Haase was located in Hancock County, Illinois in 1859. Summing Up Not every tradition will result in possible records. However, taking a look at your family traditions may provide you with new insights to get a jumpstart on your own research. When including traditions in your family history, just be sure to clearly label them as tradition. ONCE A TRADITION BECOMES FACT, IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE THAT FACT BACK TO FICTION. Debbie Jennings debj@comsys.net "Following the footprints through time"

Ken and Lorraine, Will you please clarify if Abijah and Ahijah HUBBELL are different people, and if not, which is the correct spelling? I have yet another spelling--Ahigah Hubbell, son of John Hubbell and Mary Robinson and wonder if this is the same family. I have no birthdate for Ahigah but he has siblings born 1778 and 1780. Hulda FISCUS is in my husband's line. > s/o Abijah HUBBELL b. abt 1786 m. Sarah Jacobs b. abt 1786 >looking for information on burial places for William and Ahijah Priscilla and Gordon Greenwood