Thank you to everyone for your helpful suggestions. They prompted me to cross-check my information, and I now believe that Joseph Beedle died in what is now Fountain Co. in 1826. Apparently Fountain Co. was formed just a few months before his death. However, it was not a county in 1820. How were those non-incorporated parts of Indiana treated in the 1820 census? I know someone below suggested that there were no whites in that area at the time, but apparently there were, because although he served in the Revolutionary War in PA , he then migrated to Ohio and ultimately Indiana. He was in Ohio as late as 1803, where a son was born. After that, I am looking for him to end up in Indiana, where he died in 1826. Unfortunately, I cannot do a global search of the 1810 or 1820 census, so I cannot determine in which state he might be found in those census years. Neither of those censuses is on the website that I use, so I cannot search through the Hamilton Co listings. I did not find the family in any land records in Indiana, so apparently they were not granted a land patent there. Susan At 03:01 AM 2/23/2014, inmontgo-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:08:26 -0500 >From: Marianne Marcussen <mmarcussen@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <5308A14A.2050009@earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >My response [to the question about her people being in the Wingate area >in 1826] would be to check Bureau of Land Management records online for >land patents or to look at a land office record book. There was a land >office in C-ville, but probably not until later. I'm not sure where the >closest office would have been; I know there was one in Cincinnati. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:33:15 +0000 (UTC) >From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > ><88163835.126215.1393079595541.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >The 1820 census might still be checked for the surname to see if the >family was somewhere in the settled areas of the state. Another >resource might be Vincennes land entries, which tended to be early. >The State Archives is the resource for those. >Sharon Mills > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen Zach" <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 2:46:41 AM >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question > >Susan - there were really no whites here - just a few, small Miami >Indian bands - no land was owned by whites until December 1822 - not >sure that answers your question but basically the reason there was no >census was because no whites were here to count > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:46:00 +0000 (UTC) >From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > ><1910943165.126366.1393080360762.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which was >mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early >settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. >Sharon Mills > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Susan Caughlan" <sgc@dca.net> >To: INMONTGO@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:07:37 PM >Subject: [InMontgo] 1820 census question > >Can someone please enlighten me as to how to search for a person in >the 1820 census in Montgomery County when that county did not exist >at that time? I see that it would have been in the Wabash New >Purchase area as of 1820, but I cannot find that district in the list >of counties in the 1820 census on archive.org. > >Thank you in advance for your assistance. > >Susan in southeastern PA > >Working on Beadle/Beedle moving west from Berks Co, PA (ca 1777) to >Wingate, Montgomery Co., IN (as of 1826) > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0500 >From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <5308CB00.80500@sbcglobal.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Thanks Sharon - great points > >On 2/22/2014 9:46 AM, s.m.mills@comcast.net wrote: > > Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which > was mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early > settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. > > Sharon Mills > > > > > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:11:11 -0500 >From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >To: mmarcussen@earthlink.net, inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <5308CC1F.1090803@sbcglobal.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Our GLO began when the county did, actually selling land a month or so >before hand in December 1822. Land for Indiana can be found at this site >(just got it off the GenWeb page :) > >http://indianadigitalarchives.org/ > >Can also try this one which is the Federal Land Office site but it only >works when it feels like it - hmmmm :) Also, on the site for future >reference :) BTW - I just tried it and it worked just fine but part of >the time it does not ! ENJOY ALL > >http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ >

Joseph Beedle is buried in the Beedle Cemetery in Fountain County Indiana 1749-1826 his dates (died 7-9-1826 aged 77 years) - his wife, Mary Meek is buried there as well. died 7-20-1840 aged 78 years On 2/23/2014 7:13 PM, Susan Caughlan wrote: > Thank you to everyone for your helpful suggestions. They prompted me > to cross-check my information, and I now believe that Joseph Beedle > died in what is now Fountain Co. in 1826. Apparently Fountain Co. was > formed just a few months before his death. > > However, it was not a county in 1820. How were those non-incorporated > parts of Indiana treated in the 1820 census? I know someone below > suggested that there were no whites in that area at the time, but > apparently there were, because although he served in the > Revolutionary War in PA , he then migrated to Ohio and ultimately Indiana. > > He was in Ohio as late as 1803, where a son was born. After that, I > am looking for him to end up in Indiana, where he died in 1826. > Unfortunately, I cannot do a global search of the 1810 or 1820 > census, so I cannot determine in which state he might be found in > those census years. Neither of those censuses is on the website that > I use, so I cannot search through the Hamilton Co listings. > > I did not find the family in any land records in Indiana, so > apparently they were not granted a land patent there. > > Susan > > At 03:01 AM 2/23/2014, inmontgo-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:08:26 -0500 >> From: Marianne Marcussen <mmarcussen@earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <5308A14A.2050009@earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My response [to the question about her people being in the Wingate area >> in 1826] would be to check Bureau of Land Management records online for >> land patents or to look at a land office record book. There was a land >> office in C-ville, but probably not until later. I'm not sure where the >> closest office would have been; I know there was one in Cincinnati. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:33:15 +0000 (UTC) >> From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <88163835.126215.1393079595541.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> The 1820 census might still be checked for the surname to see if the >> family was somewhere in the settled areas of the state. Another >> resource might be Vincennes land entries, which tended to be early. >> The State Archives is the resource for those. >> Sharon Mills >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Zach" <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 2:46:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> >> Susan - there were really no whites here - just a few, small Miami >> Indian bands - no land was owned by whites until December 1822 - not >> sure that answers your question but basically the reason there was no >> census was because no whites were here to count >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:46:00 +0000 (UTC) >> From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <1910943165.126366.1393080360762.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which was >> mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early >> settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. >> Sharon Mills >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Susan Caughlan" <sgc@dca.net> >> To: INMONTGO@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:07:37 PM >> Subject: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> >> Can someone please enlighten me as to how to search for a person in >> the 1820 census in Montgomery County when that county did not exist >> at that time? I see that it would have been in the Wabash New >> Purchase area as of 1820, but I cannot find that district in the list >> of counties in the 1820 census on archive.org. >> >> Thank you in advance for your assistance. >> >> Susan in southeastern PA >> >> Working on Beadle/Beedle moving west from Berks Co, PA (ca 1777) to >> Wingate, Montgomery Co., IN (as of 1826) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0500 >> From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <5308CB00.80500@sbcglobal.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Thanks Sharon - great points >> >> On 2/22/2014 9:46 AM, s.m.mills@comcast.net wrote: >>> Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which >> was mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early >> settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. >>> Sharon Mills >>> >> >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:11:11 -0500 >> From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >> To: mmarcussen@earthlink.net, inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <5308CC1F.1090803@sbcglobal.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Our GLO began when the county did, actually selling land a month or so >> before hand in December 1822. Land for Indiana can be found at this site >> (just got it off the GenWeb page :) >> >> http://indianadigitalarchives.org/ >> >> Can also try this one which is the Federal Land Office site but it only >> works when it feels like it - hmmmm :) Also, on the site for future >> reference :) BTW - I just tried it and it worked just fine but part of >> the time it does not ! ENJOY ALL >> >> http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ >> > > http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ > > List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan -- 1820 Washington Twp, Miami County, Ohio enumeration date Aug 7, 1820 2 males under 10 1 male 26-44 (in agriculture) 4 females under 10 1 fem 26-44 8 total persons The only child I have of theirs is Mary and think she was probably just married - might not even be yours but wondered On 2/23/2014 7:13 PM, Susan Caughlan wrote: > Thank you to everyone for your helpful suggestions. They prompted me > to cross-check my information, and I now believe that Joseph Beedle > died in what is now Fountain Co. in 1826. Apparently Fountain Co. was > formed just a few months before his death. > > However, it was not a county in 1820. How were those non-incorporated > parts of Indiana treated in the 1820 census? I know someone below > suggested that there were no whites in that area at the time, but > apparently there were, because although he served in the > Revolutionary War in PA , he then migrated to Ohio and ultimately Indiana. > > He was in Ohio as late as 1803, where a son was born. After that, I > am looking for him to end up in Indiana, where he died in 1826. > Unfortunately, I cannot do a global search of the 1810 or 1820 > census, so I cannot determine in which state he might be found in > those census years. Neither of those censuses is on the website that > I use, so I cannot search through the Hamilton Co listings. > > I did not find the family in any land records in Indiana, so > apparently they were not granted a land patent there. > > Susan > > At 03:01 AM 2/23/2014, inmontgo-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:08:26 -0500 >> From: Marianne Marcussen <mmarcussen@earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <5308A14A.2050009@earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My response [to the question about her people being in the Wingate area >> in 1826] would be to check Bureau of Land Management records online for >> land patents or to look at a land office record book. There was a land >> office in C-ville, but probably not until later. I'm not sure where the >> closest office would have been; I know there was one in Cincinnati. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:33:15 +0000 (UTC) >> From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <88163835.126215.1393079595541.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> The 1820 census might still be checked for the surname to see if the >> family was somewhere in the settled areas of the state. Another >> resource might be Vincennes land entries, which tended to be early. >> The State Archives is the resource for those. >> Sharon Mills >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Zach" <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 2:46:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> >> Susan - there were really no whites here - just a few, small Miami >> Indian bands - no land was owned by whites until December 1822 - not >> sure that answers your question but basically the reason there was no >> census was because no whites were here to count >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:46:00 +0000 (UTC) >> From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <1910943165.126366.1393080360762.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which was >> mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early >> settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. >> Sharon Mills >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Susan Caughlan" <sgc@dca.net> >> To: INMONTGO@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:07:37 PM >> Subject: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> >> Can someone please enlighten me as to how to search for a person in >> the 1820 census in Montgomery County when that county did not exist >> at that time? I see that it would have been in the Wabash New >> Purchase area as of 1820, but I cannot find that district in the list >> of counties in the 1820 census on archive.org. >> >> Thank you in advance for your assistance. >> >> Susan in southeastern PA >> >> Working on Beadle/Beedle moving west from Berks Co, PA (ca 1777) to >> Wingate, Montgomery Co., IN (as of 1826) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0500 >> From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <5308CB00.80500@sbcglobal.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Thanks Sharon - great points >> >> On 2/22/2014 9:46 AM, s.m.mills@comcast.net wrote: >>> Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which >> was mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early >> settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. >>> Sharon Mills >>> >> >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:11:11 -0500 >> From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >> To: mmarcussen@earthlink.net, inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <5308CC1F.1090803@sbcglobal.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Our GLO began when the county did, actually selling land a month or so >> before hand in December 1822. Land for Indiana can be found at this site >> (just got it off the GenWeb page :) >> >> http://indianadigitalarchives.org/ >> >> Can also try this one which is the Federal Land Office site but it only >> works when it feels like it - hmmmm :) Also, on the site for future >> reference :) BTW - I just tried it and it worked just fine but part of >> the time it does not ! ENJOY ALL >> >> http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ >> > > http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ > > List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan, Not everyone got counted in every census, and not everyone's name was accurately recorded. So he may be in an 1820 census reading, or he may have been in transit and missed. Indiana was barely a state in 1820. It's very important for you to understand that, aside from settled areas along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers (and other early settlements like Fort Wayne,), Indiana was settled mostly from south to north in several big land acquisitions. Try to find a copy of "Early Indiana Trails and Surveys" by George R Wilson. It's probably still available through the Indiana Historical Society or interlibrary loan. I think it's accurate to say many early settlers appear to have entered the state in the southeastern corner at Madison or river landings that are not even now in existence. I'm trying to remember the name of the one in Ripley County. Then there were roads up into the developing state like the road up over the hills from Madison into Washington County, where lots of people came through. Or the road up from the river landing in Ripley County which eventually became the corduroy road that later was called the Michigan Road. It went up into the state and veered west a bit. That's how some of my ancestors reported they came to Montgomery County. Some folks got off in the general vicinity of Shelby and Rush counties, and others went on as far as the latest land deal with the Indians would allow. I agree with Karen Zach that there were no white families in Montgomery or Fountain counties in 1820. There were in the 1830's. There were more industrial enterprises in SW Ohio than we generally know about: ironworks, and that sort of thing. I believe it would be possible for a family to be somewhat itinerant through that period of time, working at various occupations in SW Ohio and SE Indiana. Maybe he worked at an occupation connected with the rivers even. Hogs and logs were transported by men working on flatboats. So all kinds of occupations were possible for a family living in Cincinnati, Madison, or Louisville or anywhere in the area. If a person wanted land for his family, perhaps he worked to save some money so he could do a cash purchase, rather than a credit purchase. One other clue: sometimes a deed for land will say where the purchaser has moved from. Although, sadly, a deed more often says the person is living in the county where the land is located. You just don't know how long they have lived there, but they may have been "squatting" on the land for a few years. Or not. (: Sharon Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Caughlan" <sgc@dca.net> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com, inmontgo@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:13:50 PM Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census help Thank you to everyone for your helpful suggestions. They prompted me to cross-check my information, and I now believe that Joseph Beedle died in what is now Fountain Co. in 1826. Apparently Fountain Co. was formed just a few months before his death. However, it was not a county in 1820. How were those non-incorporated parts of Indiana treated in the 1820 census? I know someone below suggested that there were no whites in that area at the time, but apparently there were, because although he served in the Revolutionary War in PA , he then migrated to Ohio and ultimately Indiana. He was in Ohio as late as 1803, where a son was born. After that, I am looking for him to end up in Indiana, where he died in 1826. Unfortunately, I cannot do a global search of the 1810 or 1820 census, so I cannot determine in which state he might be found in those census years. Neither of those censuses is on the website that I use, so I cannot search through the Hamilton Co listings. I did not find the family in any land records in Indiana, so apparently they were not granted a land patent there. Susan At 03:01 AM 2/23/2014, inmontgo-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:08:26 -0500 >From: Marianne Marcussen <mmarcussen@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <5308A14A.2050009@earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >My response [to the question about her people being in the Wingate area >in 1826] would be to check Bureau of Land Management records online for >land patents or to look at a land office record book. There was a land >office in C-ville, but probably not until later. I'm not sure where the >closest office would have been; I know there was one in Cincinnati. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:33:15 +0000 (UTC) >From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > ><88163835.126215.1393079595541.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >The 1820 census might still be checked for the surname to see if the >family was somewhere in the settled areas of the state. Another >resource might be Vincennes land entries, which tended to be early. >The State Archives is the resource for those. >Sharon Mills > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen Zach" <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 2:46:41 AM >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question > >Susan - there were really no whites here - just a few, small Miami >Indian bands - no land was owned by whites until December 1822 - not >sure that answers your question but basically the reason there was no >census was because no whites were here to count > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:46:00 +0000 (UTC) >From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > ><1910943165.126366.1393080360762.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which was >mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early >settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. >Sharon Mills > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Susan Caughlan" <sgc@dca.net> >To: INMONTGO@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:07:37 PM >Subject: [InMontgo] 1820 census question > >Can someone please enlighten me as to how to search for a person in >the 1820 census in Montgomery County when that county did not exist >at that time? I see that it would have been in the Wabash New >Purchase area as of 1820, but I cannot find that district in the list >of counties in the 1820 census on archive.org. > >Thank you in advance for your assistance. > >Susan in southeastern PA > >Working on Beadle/Beedle moving west from Berks Co, PA (ca 1777) to >Wingate, Montgomery Co., IN (as of 1826) > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0500 >From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <5308CB00.80500@sbcglobal.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Thanks Sharon - great points > >On 2/22/2014 9:46 AM, s.m.mills@comcast.net wrote: > > Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which > was mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early > settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. > > Sharon Mills > > > > > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:11:11 -0500 >From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >To: mmarcussen@earthlink.net, inmontgo@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <5308CC1F.1090803@sbcglobal.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Our GLO began when the county did, actually selling land a month or so >before hand in December 1822. Land for Indiana can be found at this site >(just got it off the GenWeb page :) > >http://indianadigitalarchives.org/ > >Can also try this one which is the Federal Land Office site but it only >works when it feels like it - hmmmm :) Also, on the site for future >reference :) BTW - I just tried it and it worked just fine but part of >the time it does not ! ENJOY ALL > >http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon Thank you for the great information. I very much enjoyed reading more about the various ways ancestors may have moved into Indiana c. 1830. Suzy Albert Sent from my iPad > On Feb 23, 2014, at 9:03 PM, s.m.mills@comcast.net wrote: > > Susan, > > > Not everyone got counted in every census, and not everyone's name was accurately recorded. So he may be in an 1820 census reading, or he may have been in transit and missed. Indiana was barely a state in 1820. It's very important for you to understand that, aside from settled areas along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers (and other early settlements like Fort Wayne,), Indiana was settled mostly from south to north in several big land acquisitions. Try to find a copy of "Early Indiana Trails and Surveys" by George R Wilson. It's probably still available through the Indiana Historical Society or interlibrary loan. > > > I think it's accurate to say many early settlers appear to have entered the state in the southeastern corner at Madison or river landings that are not even now in existence. I'm trying to remember the name of the one in Ripley County. Then there were roads up into the developing state like the road up over the hills from Madison into Washington County, where lots of people came through. Or the road up from the river landing in Ripley County which eventually became the corduroy road that later was called the Michigan Road. It went up into the state and veered west a bit. That's how some of my ancestors reported they came to Montgomery County. Some folks got off in the general vicinity of Shelby and Rush counties, and others went on as far as the latest land deal with the Indians would allow. I agree with Karen Zach that there were no white families in Montgomery or Fountain counties in 1820. There were in the 1830's. > > > There were more industrial enterprises in SW Ohio than we generally know about: ironworks, and that sort of thing. I believe it would be possible for a family to be somewhat itinerant through that period of time, working at various occupations in SW Ohio and SE Indiana. Maybe he worked at an occupation connected with the rivers even. Hogs and logs were transported by men working on flatboats. So all kinds of occupations were possible for a family living in Cincinnati, Madison, or Louisville or anywhere in the area. If a person wanted land for his family, perhaps he worked to save some money so he could do a cash purchase, rather than a credit purchase. > > > One other clue: sometimes a deed for land will say where the purchaser has moved from. Although, sadly, a deed more often says the person is living in the county where the land is located. You just don't know how long they have lived there, but they may have been "squatting" on the land for a few years. Or not. (: > Sharon Mills > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Caughlan" <sgc@dca.net> > To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com, inmontgo@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:13:50 PM > Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census help > > Thank you to everyone for your helpful suggestions. They prompted me > to cross-check my information, and I now believe that Joseph Beedle > died in what is now Fountain Co. in 1826. Apparently Fountain Co. was > formed just a few months before his death. > > However, it was not a county in 1820. How were those non-incorporated > parts of Indiana treated in the 1820 census? I know someone below > suggested that there were no whites in that area at the time, but > apparently there were, because although he served in the > Revolutionary War in PA , he then migrated to Ohio and ultimately Indiana. > > He was in Ohio as late as 1803, where a son was born. After that, I > am looking for him to end up in Indiana, where he died in 1826. > Unfortunately, I cannot do a global search of the 1810 or 1820 > census, so I cannot determine in which state he might be found in > those census years. Neither of those censuses is on the website that > I use, so I cannot search through the Hamilton Co listings. > > I did not find the family in any land records in Indiana, so > apparently they were not granted a land patent there. > > Susan > > At 03:01 AM 2/23/2014, inmontgo-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:08:26 -0500 >> From: Marianne Marcussen <mmarcussen@earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <5308A14A.2050009@earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My response [to the question about her people being in the Wingate area >> in 1826] would be to check Bureau of Land Management records online for >> land patents or to look at a land office record book. There was a land >> office in C-ville, but probably not until later. I'm not sure where the >> closest office would have been; I know there was one in Cincinnati. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:33:15 +0000 (UTC) >> From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <88163835.126215.1393079595541.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> The 1820 census might still be checked for the surname to see if the >> family was somewhere in the settled areas of the state. Another >> resource might be Vincennes land entries, which tended to be early. >> The State Archives is the resource for those. >> Sharon Mills >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Zach" <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 2:46:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> >> Susan - there were really no whites here - just a few, small Miami >> Indian bands - no land was owned by whites until December 1822 - not >> sure that answers your question but basically the reason there was no >> census was because no whites were here to count >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:46:00 +0000 (UTC) >> From: s.m.mills@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <1910943165.126366.1393080360762.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which was >> mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early >> settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. >> Sharon Mills >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Susan Caughlan" <sgc@dca.net> >> To: INMONTGO@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 10:07:37 PM >> Subject: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> >> Can someone please enlighten me as to how to search for a person in >> the 1820 census in Montgomery County when that county did not exist >> at that time? I see that it would have been in the Wabash New >> Purchase area as of 1820, but I cannot find that district in the list >> of counties in the 1820 census on archive.org. >> >> Thank you in advance for your assistance. >> >> Susan in southeastern PA >> >> Working on Beadle/Beedle moving west from Berks Co, PA (ca 1777) to >> Wingate, Montgomery Co., IN (as of 1826) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:06:24 -0500 >> From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 census question >> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <5308CB00.80500@sbcglobal.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Thanks Sharon - great points >> >>> On 2/22/2014 9:46 AM, s.m.mills@comcast.net wrote: >>> Advise you research the development of Indiana counties, which >> was mostly a south to north progression of Indian purchases. Early >> settlements were also along the Wabash and Ohio Rivers. >>> Sharon Mills >> >> >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:11:11 -0500 >> From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> >> Subject: Re: [InMontgo] 1820 Census query >> To: mmarcussen@earthlink.net, inmontgo@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <5308CC1F.1090803@sbcglobal.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Our GLO began when the county did, actually selling land a month or so >> before hand in December 1822. Land for Indiana can be found at this site >> (just got it off the GenWeb page :) >> >> http://indianadigitalarchives.org/ >> >> Can also try this one which is the Federal Land Office site but it only >> works when it feels like it - hmmmm :) Also, on the site for future >> reference :) BTW - I just tried it and it worked just fine but part of >> the time it does not ! 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