Mary K - just noticed I have John H. Miller in my Family tree Maker twice -- with three children - Elizabeth Miller b 24 Jan 1839 died 24 Jan 1910 (that seems odd that's probably not right - died Jasper Co and Henry born July 1843 died 11 Jan 1919 - Elizabeth married James Plunkett 24 April 1859 Montgomery Co I have this John H. Miller's wife as F.N.U. McDowell - here is what I have on them - it may help or confuse ya' and I do need to change who I had as Hester to Haskel - thanks :) 1850 CC Twp, Montgomery Co IN John H. Miller 57 Elizabeth age 20 b KY (2nd wife?) Elizabeth age 10 daughter Henry Miller 7 mother died at birth of twins ?? Haskel 7 1860 Census Jasper Co IN John H Miller 64 PA 3rd wife Keziah Hixson Royalty Henry 15 Esther 15 (Haskel) Eliz. dau married James Plunkett 1859 Mont Co Henry Miller marr Catharine Nelson Oct 1877 Mont CO ============= p 29 town of Remington Jasper Co KY 1880 census #3 Miller, John H. 66 Retired Carpenter PA Scotland Scotland Keziah 60 wife Ohio blank blank also living with them Pettit, Reuben R. 53 Stock Dealer NJ NJ NJ Anne E 56 wife same Ella M. 18 dau IN NJ NJ

Mary K -- Is this John H. Miller who married Mary Campbell 11-15-1842 in Montgomery? On 7/31/2013 10:17 AM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: Davidg27 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.montgomery/1252.1.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Megan, in your McDowell research have you came across a lady who married John H. Miller in Montgomery Co., IN around 1842 whose first born children was a set of twin named Henry and Haskell born in 1844? Her last child was a daughter named Nancy who married James Phillip Grenard. > > Her first name maybe is Mary McDowell. > > I descend from Henry Miller who married Catherine Nelson. Any help or clues you could provide on these McDowells' or any of the names will be greatly appreciated. > > Thank You, Mary K. George Frankfort, IN > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ > > List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: megan912mueller Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.montgomery/1252.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: THANK YOU!! This helps in a HUGE way. I appreciate your time and efforts! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: martock Surnames: McDowell, Stipe Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.montgomery/1252.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Megan, With the help of some wonderful library staff here in Crawfordsville, I was able to find the obituary for Marion C. McDowell, born October 25, 1831, in Virginia, and died April 20, 1914, in Lafayette, Indiana. By cross reference with surviving relatives in the obituary, I was able to discover that Marion's father was Woodford G. McDowell, Sr., and therefore it seems Marion named one of his own sons after his father. Woodford G. McDowell, Sr., was the son of James and Sarah Gorrell McDowell, and he was born to these parents in what was then Woodford County, Virginia (part of the later Commonwealth of Kentucky). He is buried with two brothers, Hiram and John, and his mother Sarah Gorrell McDowell, in a private family plot here in Montgomery County (Findagrave.com memorial #9586943). Samuel McDowell, born approximately 1806 in Kentucky, is most likely Marion C. McDowell's second cousin through Marion's great uncle, John McDowell. Samuel was probably born in Woodford County also after Kentucky gained statehood. His father John McDowell (James McDowell, Sr.'s brother) moved to Ripley County, Indiana, and appears in the 1820 Federal Census for that state. Samuel McDowell moved here from Ripley County to Franklin Township, Montgomery County, Indiana, prior to the 1850 Federal Census, with his wife's extended family. Samuel McDowell's wife was Francis Stone Stipe, daughter of Joseph and Mary Ann Stipe, and the Stipe Family has several ancestors buried at Shannondale Cemetery, Franklin Township. Hope this helps in some small way for your research. Melissa Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

That's kind of what I'm thinking - she was almost 30 at their marriages o yep, I'm thinking the other two were someone elses which then brings the question whether she was a Burk or married a Burk - isn't genealogy fun :) On 7/27/2013 1:36 PM, Marsha Ensminger wrote: > About the baby 18 months too soon... any chance she was married before, and that's the child of the first husband? I've found several census entries where all the children get the surname of the head of household, regardless of what their father's name was. The 1900/10 census question was how many children she'd given birth to - nothing to do with how many the current husband had fathered. > > Marsha L. Ensminger > > > ________________________________ > From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> > To: INMONtgo@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:09 AM > Subject: [InMontgo] FRUITS > > > Anyone know anything about Michael Fruits who was killed in a logging > accident and his wife, Nellie Lavendar Burk? It says in 1900 census > that she had 8 ch 6 living and I only have 4 and another from the > findagrave entry that I'm not really sure is hers as she and Michael > married Oct 26, 1884 and it has Marie Fruits born July 4, 1882 Alamo > died 1958 Indianapolis I've heard of babies coming a couple of months > early (cough, cough) but not 18 months ?? !!! > > Anyone know the other children besides the two Lightcaps (Frederick and > Wm. Forest) and the Fruits Michael Jon b 17 Nov 1883 and Dora May b 13 > Jan 1887 ? The two Lightcaps and the Fruits two (and don't see how > they'd have more as they were marr in 1884 and James died in 1888 - kind > of same thing happened with 2nd hubs Fred Lightcap) so not sure how she > had so many kids. I see she was born in 1855 and married in 1884 so > almost 30 - bet she was married before - ANYONE KNOW?? > > http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ > > List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ > > List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anyone know anything about Michael Fruits who was killed in a logging accident and his wife, Nellie Lavendar Burk? It says in 1900 census that she had 8 ch 6 living and I only have 4 and another from the findagrave entry that I'm not really sure is hers as she and Michael married Oct 26, 1884 and it has Marie Fruits born July 4, 1882 Alamo died 1958 Indianapolis I've heard of babies coming a couple of months early (cough, cough) but not 18 months ?? !!! Anyone know the other children besides the two Lightcaps (Frederick and Wm. Forest) and the Fruits Michael Jon b 17 Nov 1883 and Dora May b 13 Jan 1887 ? The two Lightcaps and the Fruits two (and don't see how they'd have more as they were marr in 1884 and James died in 1888 - kind of same thing happened with 2nd hubs Fred Lightcap) so not sure how she had so many kids. I see she was born in 1855 and married in 1884 so almost 30 - bet she was married before - ANYONE KNOW??

About the baby 18 months too soon... any chance she was married before, and that's the child of the first husband?  I've found several census entries where all the children get the surname of the head of household, regardless of what their father's name was.  The 1900/10 census question was how many children she'd given birth to - nothing to do with how many the current husband had fathered.   Marsha L. Ensminger ________________________________ From: Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> To: INMONtgo@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:09 AM Subject: [InMontgo] FRUITS Anyone know anything about Michael Fruits who was killed in a logging accident and his wife, Nellie Lavendar Burk?  It says in 1900 census that she had 8 ch 6 living and I only have 4 and another from the findagrave entry that I'm not really sure is hers as she and Michael married Oct 26, 1884 and it has Marie Fruits born July 4, 1882 Alamo died 1958 Indianapolis I've heard of babies coming a couple of months early (cough, cough) but not 18 months ?? !!! Anyone know the other children besides the two Lightcaps (Frederick and Wm. Forest) and the Fruits Michael Jon b 17 Nov 1883 and Dora May b 13 Jan 1887 ?  The two Lightcaps and the Fruits two (and don't see how they'd have more as they were marr in 1884 and James died in 1888 - kind of same thing happened with 2nd hubs Fred Lightcap) so not sure how she had so many kids.  I see she was born in 1855 and married in 1884 so almost 30 - bet she was married before - ANYONE KNOW?? http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, I'm helping with the Parke Co probate project (though the lion's share of effort is by Roberta Wysong) and have learned a lot in the process. In the early years it appears that probates were generated when the deceased had real estate or considerable personal property. Sometimes there was a will. Sometimes not. If the deceased had little real or personal property, there may be few if any records. The hunt to find what happened to children gets harder. You may get some help from Guardian bonds. Many counties have kept their guardianship records, and others who research more actively in Montgomery will know if they exist in paper form or microfilm. Some counties have sent records to the Indiana State Archives. Their website contains information that will help you find out what is in their stacks. Yes, the estate was probated when the head of household died. The widow and/or a relative was named as administrator and/or guardian. Sometimes a woman couldn't read/write and may have felt inadequate to deal with it. Again, there had to be something of value to probate. A bit later on, if the estate was found to be under a few hundred dollars, the estate was declared insolvent. If then the widow died, the process began again. Always look for the women anyway, married or not, in case they had inherited property that went through probate. I found a gr gr grandmother's probate of this type. Her surviving husband administered the sale of her property for their children. Sharon Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Jenkins" <marilynkj@cox.net> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:13:49 AM Subject: [InMontgo] Probate question I have several questions about probates during the years 1840-1880. 1 Were all estates probated or was it only land owners/those without wills/or what? 2 When a married couple had children, was the estate probated when the head of household died or was it only if both parents died? I have been looking for probate records in Indiana (some Montgomery co, some other counties) and I cannot find any records for some; others seemed to be probated when the husband died and others when the wife died, after the husband. Nothing seems consistent. I don't know if I need to keep looking other places or not. Thanks for any help you can give me. List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn -- Probates were indeed done when there was property. If the woman had land or was left the land then there was another probate for her. If there was a will, sometimes the probate was skipped but almost always it went through the court so that all bills were paid. But, sometimes a person died without a will, intestate in other words, and the court would have to take over and do the same - send the property through the legal process - if he had only personal property then I'm 99.9% sure there was nothing in the courts and the kids and wife divvied it up. IF the husband willed the property to the wife, then often it did not go through the whole court process (will was filed though) until she passed. Most men left the property to the wife UNLESS SHE REMARRIED. So, even sometimes the property went through court then at her marriage. The C'ville library Reference department ref@cdpl.lib.in.us has many of the probates - old ones - and suppose they'd look for you for a reasonable amount. Don't think they do it free but maybe $5 or something. Very reasonable anyway and can send you copies via e-mail if they find something. Hope that helped ! On 7/25/2013 11:13 AM, Marilyn Jenkins wrote: > I have several questions about probates during the years 1840-1880. > 1 Were all estates probated or was it only land owners/those without > wills/or what? > 2 When a married couple had children, was the estate probated when the head > of household died or was it only if both parents died? > I have been looking for probate records in Indiana (some Montgomery co, some > other counties) and I cannot find any records for some; others seemed to be > probated when the husband died and others when the wife died, after the > husband. Nothing seems consistent. I don't know if I need to keep looking > other places or not. Thanks for any help you can give me. > > List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ > > List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much. That is a huge help and may explain why I cannot find some of the records I expected to find. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: inmontgo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:inmontgo-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of s.m.mills@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:15 AM To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [InMontgo] Probate question Marilyn, I'm helping with the Parke Co probate project (though the lion's share of effort is by Roberta Wysong) and have learned a lot in the process. In the early years it appears that probates were generated when the deceased had real estate or considerable personal property. Sometimes there was a will. Sometimes not. If the deceased had little real or personal property, there may be few if any records. The hunt to find what happened to children gets harder. You may get some help from Guardian bonds. Many counties have kept their guardianship records, and others who research more actively in Montgomery will know if they exist in paper form or microfilm. Some counties have sent records to the Indiana State Archives. Their website contains information that will help you find out what is in their stacks. Yes, the estate was probated when the head of household died. The widow and/or a relative was named as administrator and/or guardian. Sometimes a woman couldn't read/write and may have felt inadequate to deal with it. Again, there had to be something of value to probate. A bit later on, if the estate was found to be under a few hundred dollars, the estate was declared insolvent. If then the widow died, the process began again. Always look for the women anyway, married or not, in case they had inherited property that went through probate. I found a gr gr grandmother's probate of this type. Her surviving husband administered the sale of her property for their children. Sharon Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Jenkins" <marilynkj@cox.net> To: inmontgo@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:13:49 AM Subject: [InMontgo] Probate question I have several questions about probates during the years 1840-1880. 1 Were all estates probated or was it only land owners/those without wills/or what? 2 When a married couple had children, was the estate probated when the head of household died or was it only if both parents died? I have been looking for probate records in Indiana (some Montgomery co, some other counties) and I cannot find any records for some; others seemed to be probated when the husband died and others when the wife died, after the husband. Nothing seems consistent. I don't know if I need to keep looking other places or not. Thanks for any help you can give me. List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

By the Way, BLUE EYES was our 255th town in Montgomery County (granted some were just a whistle stop while others were only in existence a few years but they all existed at one time here :) 255 is AMAZING - mostly thanks to Jerry & Suzie :) You two rock

Thought of Frank Sinatra a few minutes ago when Suzie sent me another town for Montgomery County -- she said I wouldn't believe the name of it and I giggled *Blue Eyes *-- near Darlington - in Sections 15/16/21 of Franklin Twp. -- *Source:* 30 Dec 1904 Crawfordsville Weekly Journal So, although the name isn't 'Ol Blue Eyes it still made me think of that great singer and gave me a giggle or two to start my morning off - THANKS SUZ

I have several questions about probates during the years 1840-1880. 1 Were all estates probated or was it only land owners/those without wills/or what? 2 When a married couple had children, was the estate probated when the head of household died or was it only if both parents died? I have been looking for probate records in Indiana (some Montgomery co, some other counties) and I cannot find any records for some; others seemed to be probated when the husband died and others when the wife died, after the husband. Nothing seems consistent. I don't know if I need to keep looking other places or not. Thanks for any help you can give me. List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Green married Clark Brown whose mother was a Black and grandmother was a White. Clark's first cousin Clara Gray married William Witt. What a hoot

Thanks muches to Cheryl F. who helped solve the Laura May Grimes / Myra Olive Stites -- GUILLIAMS problem. WHEW

If you visit the link below it will show you that this is one crazy obit. It gives information for one lady but dates of another. Anyone want to see if they can straighten this out for me ?? I've spent too much time on it already - taken up my obit uppin' time :) http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/obituaries/g/guilliams-laura-grimes.htm

Just an FYI -- Suzie didn't want to be outdone and found one more. AMAZING -- Ingersoll Corner -- - Most NW corner of Ripley Section 3 -- From the Crawfordsville Weekly Journal 22 Feb 1895 newspaper -- "The Ingersoll Corner Sunday school does not boast of the attendance of 100, but she is proud of her attendance and the interest manifested. Large attendance does not make a Sunday school a success." On 7/16/2013 7:14 PM, Suzy Albert wrote: > Outstanding! > > Suzy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> I was so excited I just HAD to share this with all of you. Jerry and >> Suzie have been super instrumental in getting 250 -- YES you heard that >> right -- 250 towns (communities) in Montgomery County -- I just sent a >> note a couple of days ago telling them we had 249 - Jerry added the one >> below and now we have the big 250. The first 100 was pretty easy - 200 >> not so easy and the last 10 or so have been pretty hard but since I gave >> the challenge, we now have 250. That's AWESOME >> >> *Center Grove *- oh, thanks Jerry T - this made the 250th town - >> whoopeee -- The community of Center Grove was located 3 miles southeast >> of Darlington. The exact location is hard to pin down but it was in >> sections 11, 12, 13 and 14 of Franklin Township. The Unitarian Christian >> church was the center point of the community until the church burned in >> 1864. The fire caused a division of the congregation with some (the >> Union Party) moving to Darlington and the others took over the United >> Bretherns Church in section 12 close to the county line. >> >> >> >> http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ >> >> List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ > > List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Outstanding! Suzy Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Karen Zach <karen.zach@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I was so excited I just HAD to share this with all of you. Jerry and > Suzie have been super instrumental in getting 250 -- YES you heard that > right -- 250 towns (communities) in Montgomery County -- I just sent a > note a couple of days ago telling them we had 249 - Jerry added the one > below and now we have the big 250. The first 100 was pretty easy - 200 > not so easy and the last 10 or so have been pretty hard but since I gave > the challenge, we now have 250. That's AWESOME > > *Center Grove *- oh, thanks Jerry T - this made the 250th town - > whoopeee -- The community of Center Grove was located 3 miles southeast > of Darlington. The exact location is hard to pin down but it was in > sections 11, 12, 13 and 14 of Franklin Township. The Unitarian Christian > church was the center point of the community until the church burned in > 1864. The fire caused a division of the congregation with some (the > Union Party) moving to Darlington and the others took over the United > Bretherns Church in section 12 close to the county line. > > > > http://indianagenweb.com/inmontgomery/ > > List Manager - inmontgo-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INMONTGO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was so excited I just HAD to share this with all of you. Jerry and Suzie have been super instrumental in getting 250 -- YES you heard that right -- 250 towns (communities) in Montgomery County -- I just sent a note a couple of days ago telling them we had 249 - Jerry added the one below and now we have the big 250. The first 100 was pretty easy - 200 not so easy and the last 10 or so have been pretty hard but since I gave the challenge, we now have 250. That's AWESOME *Center Grove *- oh, thanks Jerry T - this made the 250th town - whoopeee -- The community of Center Grove was located 3 miles southeast of Darlington. The exact location is hard to pin down but it was in sections 11, 12, 13 and 14 of Franklin Township. The Unitarian Christian church was the center point of the community until the church burned in 1864. The fire caused a division of the congregation with some (the Union Party) moving to Darlington and the others took over the United Bretherns Church in section 12 close to the county line.

*WEEK 2--* *OBITUARIES / FUNERALS:_34__ Names are: Byrd; Powell; Stoner (thanks Pegeen)' Harriman; Henry; Hutchens; Hunt; Hendricks; Hendrix; Hays; harper; Hardaway; Horney; Hendrix; Hutts (thanks Walt); Bowman; Baker; Linn; Stewart (thanks Pegeen); Pickering; McClamroch; McCallister; Murdock; McCloud; Thompson; Pence; Potter; Hill; Thompson; Turley * ** *NEWS: __1__ - 1898 Peace Jubilee (thanks Pegeen - this is nifty) - under "ads"* *PHOTOS _8_ = Stonebraker - thanks so much, Dustin*