Seems like Joanna "Josie" "Anna" Dover born July 12, 1870, daughter of John and Sarah Polley Dover was no stranger to marriage or divorce. I believe she only had two children from all of these marriages: Susan Ethel Arnold born 1887 and Lewis Langley born 1914. Thanks to Mary Lou for below information. Does anyone else connect to these marriages? Here's the marriages Anna Dover married Hugh Arnold 8-20-1884. Ann Dover Arnold married Owen McCabe 9-26-1890 Anna McCabe married Rufus Adams 2-7-1903 Anna Adams married George P Finley 8-15-1905 Josie Finley married Scott Langley 7-19-1913 Ann Langley married George Finley 3-27-1917 Here are the divorces Hugh Arnold and Anna divorced 9-26-1890 Owen McCabe and Anna divorced 2-3-1903 Rufus Adams and Josie A divorced 8-29-1905 George Finley and Anna divorced 11-21-1912 & 9-20-1923 Winfield Scott Langley and Josie N divorced 10-9-1916 Please contact me if you connect. Pam

If you put antique trunks in the browser it will come up, there is a book on one of the sites to tell about the trunks http://www.trunk.com/ -- Teddy List Mom for the Grayson Co Ky List, Brady, Vertrees, Ford, Fulkerson,and Commonwealth http://www.kygenweb.net/pd-res/deford.html -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss@mindspring.com> > I apologize if this is slightly off-topic, but I'm not sure where else to turn. > > I have a trunk that has been handed down in my family. Family story says > that it was one of the trunks the family used when they immigrated to > Indianapolis from Germany. I'm not sure how to date the trunk to see if > the story is possible. The trunk is made of wood covered in metal; it has > a slightly rounded top, leather handles on each side and is approximately > 75 centimeters (30 inches) wide by 40 centimeters (16 inches) deep by 50 > centimeters (20 inches) tall. Is anyone out there familiar with a news > group, mailing list, etc where I might find more information? > > Thank you! > > Joel > www.rafert.org > > > ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== > Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at > href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, Indiana > GenWeb >

I apologize if this is slightly off-topic, but I'm not sure where else to turn. I have a trunk that has been handed down in my family. Family story says that it was one of the trunks the family used when they immigrated to Indianapolis from Germany. I'm not sure how to date the trunk to see if the story is possible. The trunk is made of wood covered in metal; it has a slightly rounded top, leather handles on each side and is approximately 75 centimeters (30 inches) wide by 40 centimeters (16 inches) deep by 50 centimeters (20 inches) tall. Is anyone out there familiar with a news group, mailing list, etc where I might find more information? Thank you! Joel www.rafert.org

With an estimate of 100,000 cemeteries in Indiana, getting them registered is a daunting task. Jeannie Regan-Dinius, Special Projects Coordinator for the Indiana Department of Natural Resources, Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology, is charged with just that task under the Indiana General Cemetery Act. Based in Indianapolis, she is gathering information on any property in the state on which human remains are buried. This includes cemeteries of any size regardless of ownership of the property. She visited the Duneland Historical Society on Thursday, May 15 and told of her work and how the public can help. State law governs cemeteries and with the Cemetery Registry under the IDNR, policing is done by conservation officers. Regan-Dinius encourages the public to alert her office in case of disturbance, vandalism or looting in cemeteries. In a recent case a woman called to report that her neighbor had removed gravestones for a construction project. Vandalism is a major problem with Indiana Cemeteries and a variety of state laws now protect cemeteries. She said cemeteries in Indiana contain many art works and are helpful sources of information for genealogists. Planned construction within 100 feet of cemetery property must be reported and approved in advance. In order to visit a cemetery which is reached through private property, permission must be granted by the property owner. When questioned about unused plots, she said unless it is specified in the deed the plot cannot be re-sold without the permission of the owner or his or her heirs. In the case of the Chesterton Cemetery, the deeds say that a plot can be re-sold after 100 years if not used. She was asked about rubbings of grave markers. She said this is not illegal but rubbings do damage the stones. Regan-Dinius says many cemeteries in Porter County are listed but she welcomes information from citizens. The Duneland Historical Society invites anyone knowing of a small cemetery in Porter county to call with the name and location and the DHS will work with Regan-Dinius to be sure it is listed. Call Betty Canright, 926-3231. Posted 5/19/2003

If you havent tried this. I look at the census's and see if they live near your relative. Most families stayed real close even within streets of each other. In not next door like my family. Also I found cousins this way. If you havent thought of this-good luck. dj

There was an old railroad they called the Nickle Plate nicknamed Big 4 line when I was small in maybe the 1930's. It ran from Indianapolis toward Ohio through Connersville, and Liberty.I think it went to Cincinnati. I rode it to Indy quite a few times to see my relatives. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy White" <nlwhite@direcway.com> To: <INMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:20 AM Subject: RE: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. - I think this might be it > Hi Joel: > > You might want to recheck the census. Sometimes the letters are very hard > to distinguish. I would have checked it but I didn't know what name you > were researching. The following link is a good example of old > handwriting: > > http://www.iltrails.org/handwritingA-T.html > > I found an old book by W. R. Holloway entitled Indianapolis, a Historical > and Statistical Sketch of the Railroad City, 1870, page 128 > > In 1865, city aid was voted upon petition of many citizens to the amount > of > about $200,000 to four lines of railroad: > > The Vincennes $60,000 > Indiana and Illinois Central $45,000 > Indianapolis, Bloomington, and Western $45,000 > Indianapolis and Cincinnati Junction $45,000 > > These roads have all been completed and are in full operation except the I > & > I Central or II&C. Capital I's and P's could look very similar especially > if the census taker wasn't too careful about the way he was writing; which > I > think most of them weren't. So I think a good candidate for your railroad > is the Indiana and Illinois Central Railroad. > > This is one of the most fascinating books on the history of Indianapolis. > I > hope this is of some help to you. Considering there were four railroads > in > Indianapolis in that era, I would say this is the most likely candidate. > > Just as a bit of fascinating trivia, it was on May 30, 1869, that the > tradition of decorating graves with flowers started - instituted by the > women of the South and recommended by the GAR. > > Nan > > > Nancy Lee White > > County Coordinator for Marion and Ohio Counties INGenExchange and > > County Coordinator for Hardin and Union Counties OHGenExchange > > http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=marion > > http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=ohio > > http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=hardin > > http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=union > > Volunteers have a warm fuzzy feeling! > > Keep genealogy free-volunteer today! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:00 PM > To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. > > Thanks Judith, > > In the 1870 Census his occupation is given as a R.R. Clerk and others in > his family worked for the Railroad so I made an assumption. I'll broaden > my research a bit. > > Thanks again. > > Joel > www.rafert.org > > > At 09:27 PM 1/17/2006, Judith Damewood wrote: >>When I googled PP&C railroad, it gave me this link >>http://www.aecma.org/Publications/glossary/gp.htm, which was a list of >>abbreviations (PP&C meant Production, Planning & Control)--so maybe it >>is not the name of a railroad. >>Judy Damewood >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:30 PM >>To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. >> >>Does anyone know what Rail Road was referred to as the P.P. & C. R.R.? >>My >>ancestor worked as a Checkman for the railroad in 1868 in Indianapolis, >>but >>I've not figured out yet what the P. P. and C. stand for. Any help >>appreciated. >> >>Joel >>www.rafert.org >> >> >>==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >>Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a >>href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, >>Indiana GenWeb</a> >> >> >>==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >>Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a >>href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.n > ortham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry. > com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.indi > ana.counties.marion&oncancel="> >>Query, or other information of your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a> > > > > ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== > Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a > href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.no > rtham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.c > om%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.india > na.counties.marion&oncancel="> Query, or other information of your Marion > County, Indiana Ancestor</a> > > > ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== > Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a > href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, > Indiana GenWeb</a> >

Hi Charles: I'll see if I can find anything. I was just checking the time frame between 1860 and 1870 last night and it was a fascinating chapter. The author really makes the history of that era come alive. Nan Nancy Lee White County Coordinator for Marion and Ohio Counties INGenExchange and County Coordinator for Hardin and Union Counties OHGenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=marion http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=ohio http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=hardin http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=union Volunteers have a warm fuzzy feeling! Keep genealogy free-volunteer today! -----Original Message----- From: Charles [mailto:matheson@texas.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:24 AM To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. - I think this might be it Nancy, does the book you speak of only tell stories about the railroads? I have a great grandfather on my mother's side who was a police chief in Indianapolis back in the early 1800's and he was given a bible by the department when he retired. I have given that bible to the Police Department and they are placing it in their museum with my mother's name as the donor. GGfather's name was,Robert Campbell Williamson. Was wondering if there are any stories in the book about his time as an officer. Charles Matheson, Sr. matheson@texas.net > > At 12:20 AM 1/18/2006, Nancy White wrote: >>Hi Joel: >> >>You might want to recheck the census. Sometimes the letters are very hard >>to distinguish. I would have checked it but I didn't know what name you >>were researching. The following link is a good example of old >>handwriting: >> >>http://www.iltrails.org/handwritingA-T.html >> >>I found an old book by W. R. Holloway entitled Indianapolis, a Historical >>and Statistical Sketch of the Railroad City, 1870, page 128 >> >>In 1865, city aid was voted upon petition of many citizens to the amount >>of >>about $200,000 to four lines of railroad: >> >>The Vincennes $60,000 >>Indiana and Illinois Central $45,000 >>Indianapolis, Bloomington, and Western $45,000 >>Indianapolis and Cincinnati Junction $45,000 >> >>These roads have all been completed and are in full operation except the I >>& >>I Central or II&C. Capital I's and P's could look very similar especially >>if the census taker wasn't too careful about the way he was writing; which >>I >>think most of them weren't. So I think a good candidate for your railroad >>is the Indiana and Illinois Central Railroad. >> >>This is one of the most fascinating books on the history of Indianapolis. >>I >>hope this is of some help to you. Considering there were four railroads >>in >>Indianapolis in that era, I would say this is the most likely candidate. >> >>Just as a bit of fascinating trivia, it was on May 30, 1869, that the >>tradition of decorating graves with flowers started - instituted by the >>women of the South and recommended by the GAR. >> >>Nan >> >> >>Nancy Lee White >> >>County Coordinator for Marion and Ohio Counties INGenExchange and >> >>County Coordinator for Hardin and Union Counties OHGenExchange >> >>http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=marion >> >>http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=ohio >> >>http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=hardin >> >>http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=union >> >>Volunteers have a warm fuzzy feeling! >> >>Keep genealogy free-volunteer today! >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:00 PM >>To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. >> >>Thanks Judith, >> >>In the 1870 Census his occupation is given as a R.R. Clerk and others in >>his family worked for the Railroad so I made an assumption. I'll broaden >>my research a bit. >> >>Thanks again. >> >>Joel >>www.rafert.org >> >> >>At 09:27 PM 1/17/2006, Judith Damewood wrote: >> >When I googled PP&C railroad, it gave me this link >> >http://www.aecma.org/Publications/glossary/gp.htm, which was a list of >> >abbreviations (PP&C meant Production, Planning & Control)--so maybe it >> >is not the name of a railroad. >> >Judy Damewood >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:30 PM >> >To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. >> > >> >Does anyone know what Rail Road was referred to as the P.P. & C. R.R.? >> >My >> >ancestor worked as a Checkman for the railroad in 1868 in Indianapolis, >> >but >> >I've not figured out yet what the P. P. and C. stand for. Any help >> >appreciated. >> > >> >Joel >> >www.rafert.org >> > >> > >> >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >> >Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a >> >href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, >> >Indiana GenWeb</a> >> > >> > >> >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >> >Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a >> >href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.n >>ortham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestr y. >>com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.in di >>ana.counties.marion&oncancel="> >> >Query, or other information of your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a> >> >> >> >>==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >>Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a >>href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities. no >>rtham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry .c >>om%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.ind ia >>na.counties.marion&oncancel="> Query, or other information of your Marion >>County, Indiana Ancestor</a> >> >> >>==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >>Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a >>href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, >>Indiana GenWeb</a> > > > > ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== > Post a <a href="http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/In/Marion">Query of > your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a> > > > ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, Indiana GenWeb</a>

Nancy, does the book you speak of only tell stories about the railroads? I have a great grandfather on my mother's side who was a police chief in Indianapolis back in the early 1800's and he was given a bible by the department when he retired. I have given that bible to the Police Department and they are placing it in their museum with my mother's name as the donor. GGfather's name was,Robert Campbell Williamson. Was wondering if there are any stories in the book about his time as an officer. Charles Matheson, Sr. matheson@texas.net > > At 12:20 AM 1/18/2006, Nancy White wrote: >>Hi Joel: >> >>You might want to recheck the census. Sometimes the letters are very hard >>to distinguish. I would have checked it but I didn't know what name you >>were researching. The following link is a good example of old >>handwriting: >> >>http://www.iltrails.org/handwritingA-T.html >> >>I found an old book by W. R. Holloway entitled Indianapolis, a Historical >>and Statistical Sketch of the Railroad City, 1870, page 128 >> >>In 1865, city aid was voted upon petition of many citizens to the amount >>of >>about $200,000 to four lines of railroad: >> >>The Vincennes $60,000 >>Indiana and Illinois Central $45,000 >>Indianapolis, Bloomington, and Western $45,000 >>Indianapolis and Cincinnati Junction $45,000 >> >>These roads have all been completed and are in full operation except the I >>& >>I Central or II&C. Capital I's and P's could look very similar especially >>if the census taker wasn't too careful about the way he was writing; which >>I >>think most of them weren't. So I think a good candidate for your railroad >>is the Indiana and Illinois Central Railroad. >> >>This is one of the most fascinating books on the history of Indianapolis. >>I >>hope this is of some help to you. Considering there were four railroads >>in >>Indianapolis in that era, I would say this is the most likely candidate. >> >>Just as a bit of fascinating trivia, it was on May 30, 1869, that the >>tradition of decorating graves with flowers started - instituted by the >>women of the South and recommended by the GAR. >> >>Nan >> >> >>Nancy Lee White >> >>County Coordinator for Marion and Ohio Counties INGenExchange and >> >>County Coordinator for Hardin and Union Counties OHGenExchange >> >>http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=marion >> >>http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=ohio >> >>http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=hardin >> >>http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=union >> >>Volunteers have a warm fuzzy feeling! >> >>Keep genealogy free-volunteer today! >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:00 PM >>To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. >> >>Thanks Judith, >> >>In the 1870 Census his occupation is given as a R.R. Clerk and others in >>his family worked for the Railroad so I made an assumption. I'll broaden >>my research a bit. >> >>Thanks again. >> >>Joel >>www.rafert.org >> >> >>At 09:27 PM 1/17/2006, Judith Damewood wrote: >> >When I googled PP&C railroad, it gave me this link >> >http://www.aecma.org/Publications/glossary/gp.htm, which was a list of >> >abbreviations (PP&C meant Production, Planning & Control)--so maybe it >> >is not the name of a railroad. >> >Judy Damewood >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:30 PM >> >To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. >> > >> >Does anyone know what Rail Road was referred to as the P.P. & C. R.R.? >> >My >> >ancestor worked as a Checkman for the railroad in 1868 in Indianapolis, >> >but >> >I've not figured out yet what the P. P. and C. stand for. Any help >> >appreciated. >> > >> >Joel >> >www.rafert.org >> > >> > >> >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >> >Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a >> >href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, >> >Indiana GenWeb</a> >> > >> > >> >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >> >Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a >> >href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.n >>ortham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry. >>com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.indi >>ana.counties.marion&oncancel="> >> >Query, or other information of your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a> >> >> >> >>==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >>Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a >>href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.no >>rtham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.c >>om%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.india >>na.counties.marion&oncancel="> Query, or other information of your Marion >>County, Indiana Ancestor</a> >> >> >>==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >>Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a >>href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, >>Indiana GenWeb</a> > > > > ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== > Post a <a href="http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/In/Marion">Query of > your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a> > > >

Nan, Jan, and others, Although I've not seen the directory myself, this information (P. P. & C. R. R.) was sent to me by someone who had the 1868 City Directory, which I believe is typed, at least the 1876 version that I have is typed. The ancestor in question died in 1875 so he is in the 1868 City Directory and the 1870 Census, but not in the 1876 City Directory. The 1870 Census simply lists him as RR Clerk. In searching the web I did find one reference to a Steam Engine on display in Jim Thorpe, PA that is listed as PP&C. I've been unable to find anything more about it yet. Thanks! Joel At 12:20 AM 1/18/2006, Nancy White wrote: >Hi Joel: > >You might want to recheck the census. Sometimes the letters are very hard >to distinguish. I would have checked it but I didn't know what name you >were researching. The following link is a good example of old handwriting: > >http://www.iltrails.org/handwritingA-T.html > >I found an old book by W. R. Holloway entitled Indianapolis, a Historical >and Statistical Sketch of the Railroad City, 1870, page 128 > >In 1865, city aid was voted upon petition of many citizens to the amount of >about $200,000 to four lines of railroad: > >The Vincennes $60,000 >Indiana and Illinois Central $45,000 >Indianapolis, Bloomington, and Western $45,000 >Indianapolis and Cincinnati Junction $45,000 > >These roads have all been completed and are in full operation except the I & >I Central or II&C. Capital I's and P's could look very similar especially >if the census taker wasn't too careful about the way he was writing; which I >think most of them weren't. So I think a good candidate for your railroad >is the Indiana and Illinois Central Railroad. > >This is one of the most fascinating books on the history of Indianapolis. I >hope this is of some help to you. Considering there were four railroads in >Indianapolis in that era, I would say this is the most likely candidate. > >Just as a bit of fascinating trivia, it was on May 30, 1869, that the >tradition of decorating graves with flowers started - instituted by the >women of the South and recommended by the GAR. > >Nan > > >Nancy Lee White > >County Coordinator for Marion and Ohio Counties INGenExchange and > >County Coordinator for Hardin and Union Counties OHGenExchange > >http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=marion > >http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=ohio > >http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=hardin > >http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=union > >Volunteers have a warm fuzzy feeling! > >Keep genealogy free-volunteer today! > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:00 PM >To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. > >Thanks Judith, > >In the 1870 Census his occupation is given as a R.R. Clerk and others in >his family worked for the Railroad so I made an assumption. I'll broaden >my research a bit. > >Thanks again. > >Joel >www.rafert.org > > >At 09:27 PM 1/17/2006, Judith Damewood wrote: > >When I googled PP&C railroad, it gave me this link > >http://www.aecma.org/Publications/glossary/gp.htm, which was a list of > >abbreviations (PP&C meant Production, Planning & Control)--so maybe it > >is not the name of a railroad. > >Judy Damewood > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:30 PM > >To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. > > > >Does anyone know what Rail Road was referred to as the P.P. & C. R.R.? > >My > >ancestor worked as a Checkman for the railroad in 1868 in Indianapolis, > >but > >I've not figured out yet what the P. P. and C. stand for. Any help > >appreciated. > > > >Joel > >www.rafert.org > > > > > >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== > >Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a > >href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, > >Indiana GenWeb</a> > > > > > >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== > >Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a > >href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.n >ortham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry. >com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.indi >ana.counties.marion&oncancel="> > >Query, or other information of your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a> > > > >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a >href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.no >rtham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.c >om%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.india >na.counties.marion&oncancel="> Query, or other information of your Marion >County, Indiana Ancestor</a> > > >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a >href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, >Indiana GenWeb</a>

Hi Joel: You might want to recheck the census. Sometimes the letters are very hard to distinguish. I would have checked it but I didn't know what name you were researching. The following link is a good example of old handwriting: http://www.iltrails.org/handwritingA-T.html I found an old book by W. R. Holloway entitled Indianapolis, a Historical and Statistical Sketch of the Railroad City, 1870, page 128 In 1865, city aid was voted upon petition of many citizens to the amount of about $200,000 to four lines of railroad: The Vincennes $60,000 Indiana and Illinois Central $45,000 Indianapolis, Bloomington, and Western $45,000 Indianapolis and Cincinnati Junction $45,000 These roads have all been completed and are in full operation except the I & I Central or II&C. Capital I's and P's could look very similar especially if the census taker wasn't too careful about the way he was writing; which I think most of them weren't. So I think a good candidate for your railroad is the Indiana and Illinois Central Railroad. This is one of the most fascinating books on the history of Indianapolis. I hope this is of some help to you. Considering there were four railroads in Indianapolis in that era, I would say this is the most likely candidate. Just as a bit of fascinating trivia, it was on May 30, 1869, that the tradition of decorating graves with flowers started - instituted by the women of the South and recommended by the GAR. Nan Nancy Lee White County Coordinator for Marion and Ohio Counties INGenExchange and County Coordinator for Hardin and Union Counties OHGenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=marion http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=ohio http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=hardin http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=union Volunteers have a warm fuzzy feeling! Keep genealogy free-volunteer today! -----Original Message----- From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:00 PM To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. Thanks Judith, In the 1870 Census his occupation is given as a R.R. Clerk and others in his family worked for the Railroad so I made an assumption. I'll broaden my research a bit. Thanks again. Joel www.rafert.org At 09:27 PM 1/17/2006, Judith Damewood wrote: >When I googled PP&C railroad, it gave me this link >http://www.aecma.org/Publications/glossary/gp.htm, which was a list of >abbreviations (PP&C meant Production, Planning & Control)--so maybe it >is not the name of a railroad. >Judy Damewood > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:30 PM >To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. > >Does anyone know what Rail Road was referred to as the P.P. & C. R.R.? >My >ancestor worked as a Checkman for the railroad in 1868 in Indianapolis, >but >I've not figured out yet what the P. P. and C. stand for. Any help >appreciated. > >Joel >www.rafert.org > > >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a >href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, >Indiana GenWeb</a> > > >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a >href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.n ortham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry. com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.indi ana.counties.marion&oncancel="> >Query, or other information of your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a> ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.no rtham.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.c om%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.india na.counties.marion&oncancel="> Query, or other information of your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a>

Joel: Did you check the city directory for him? Jan in FL.

I Googled the initials and came up with this. Do you think it could have been I.P.& C. instead of P.P.&C.? This is talking about Miami County and the Indianapolis, Peru and Chicago line. Miami County is well supplied with railways, being traversed from east to west by the Detroit, Eel River &Illinois, the Toledo, Wabash &Western, and the Chicago division of the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati &St. Louis Railway. The Indianapolis, Peru &Chicago runs through the county from north to south. This line was begun from Peru to Indianapolis, through surveys, in 1847, and completed to Peru August 17, 1854, being the first railway in the county. The next was the T.,W.&W., completed in 1856. Jan in FL.

Thanks Judith, In the 1870 Census his occupation is given as a R.R. Clerk and others in his family worked for the Railroad so I made an assumption. I'll broaden my research a bit. Thanks again. Joel www.rafert.org At 09:27 PM 1/17/2006, Judith Damewood wrote: >When I googled PP&C railroad, it gave me this link >http://www.aecma.org/Publications/glossary/gp.htm, which was a list of >abbreviations (PP&C meant Production, Planning & Control)--so maybe it >is not the name of a railroad. >Judy Damewood > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:30 PM >To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. > >Does anyone know what Rail Road was referred to as the P.P. & C. R.R.? >My >ancestor worked as a Checkman for the railroad in 1868 in Indianapolis, >but >I've not figured out yet what the P. P. and C. stand for. Any help >appreciated. > >Joel >www.rafert.org > > >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a >href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, >Indiana GenWeb</a> > > >==== INMARION Mailing List ==== >Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a <a >href="http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=postmessage&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&onok=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.ancestry.com%2Fmbexec%3Fhtx%3Dboard%26r%3Drw%26p%3Dlocalities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.marion&oncancel="> >Query, or other information of your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a>

When I googled PP&C railroad, it gave me this link http://www.aecma.org/Publications/glossary/gp.htm, which was a list of abbreviations (PP&C meant Production, Planning & Control)--so maybe it is not the name of a railroad. Judy Damewood -----Original Message----- From: Joel S. Russell [mailto:jsruss@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:30 PM To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MARION COUNTY, IN] P.P. & C. R. R. Does anyone know what Rail Road was referred to as the P.P. & C. R.R.? My ancestor worked as a Checkman for the railroad in 1868 in Indianapolis, but I've not figured out yet what the P. P. and C. stand for. Any help appreciated. Joel www.rafert.org ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== Check out the Marion County InGenWeb site at <a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmarion/index.html"> Marion County, Indiana GenWeb</a>

Hi Joel - In 1872 there were twelve railroads servicing Indianapolis: Cleveland, Columbus Cincinnati and Indianapolis Railway (The Bee Line) Pittsburg, Cincinnati and St. Louis Railway Terre Haute, Vandalia and St. Louis Railroad Indianapolis and St. Louis Railroad Cincinnati Railroad Lafayette Railroad Indianapolis, Bloomington and Western Railway Cincinnati Junction Railroad Vincennes Railroad Peru and Chicago Railway Jeffersonville and Madison Railroad Indianapolis and Fort Wayne Short Line Take your pick! George

Does anyone know what Rail Road was referred to as the P.P. & C. R.R.? My ancestor worked as a Checkman for the railroad in 1868 in Indianapolis, but I've not figured out yet what the P. P. and C. stand for. Any help appreciated. Joel www.rafert.org

Thanks for the information on the Camerons. I am not sure these are related to my Tiffin Cameron but they did live in Indy, so great chance they are. Terry CAYMANCIC@aol.com wrote: Cameron, George K, brick yard, end Virginia Ave, res 413 s East Cameron, J.J. medical student, 15 e Washington, bds beyond city limits Cameron, William D, printer, bds 278 N Alabama Cameron William, S, steam book and job printer, 8 east Pearl, res 278 N Alabama ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== Post SURNAMES of your Marion County, Indiana Families. Also post a Query, or other information of your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor

DJ, you really brought back some wonderful memories of our old hometown. One of my fondest memories was Thanksgiving day. We could hardly wait until dinner was over, with all the great foods. Dad would take us downtown where we would wait with anticipation in front of the old Ayres windows for them to unveil the most magical animated Christmas scenes in the world, that unveiling was the beginning of the Christmas season for us. When Dad had his cerebral hemorrhage when I was small, my older brothers and sisters continued the tradition. We loved to ice skate at Lake Sullivan and could hardly wait each year until the ice was thick enough. Thanks for bringing back all the fond memories. Nan Nancy Lee White County Coordinator for Marion and Ohio Counties INGenExchange and County Coordinator for Hardin and Union Counties OHGenExchange http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=marion http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=in&county=ohio http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=hardin http://www.genexchange.org/county.php?state=oh&county=union Volunteers have a warm fuzzy feeling! Keep genealogy free-volunteer today! -----Original Message----- From: CAYMANCIC@aol.com [mailto:CAYMANCIC@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:53 AM To: INMARION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MARION COUNTY, IN] Old Views of Indianapolis And to help list: City Market and all the old vendors. The cheeses and teas. Libby's and the ladies I bought fresh chickens and eggs from. The circle on Christmas Eve and how quiet it was. You could hear the snow falling. Walking thru Crown Hill and looking at trees and feeding squirrels that were bold as brass. Old real Lake Sullivan and sledding and skating on a big frozen pond. Hot chocolate at a big bon fire. The old fish hatchery at Lake Sullivan and the large amounts of green happy frogs. Having a big day downtown hitting Wassons, Blocks and Ayres. Sorry I like the tea room at Blocks the best. Chicken salad and that warm pecan roll. The men sitting on THEIR side having martinis in coffee cups and a bowl of Blocks famous bean soup. The models walking thru as you ate showing the stores wares. Driving down old Maple Lane which became 38th street in front of the cemetery. All the double rows of old "hard rock maples" that turned bright yellow in the fall. Driving at night thru the maples with the old street lights glowing. Some of my memories. Before the 70's and so much change and waste. DJ ==== INMARION Mailing List ==== Post a <a href="http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/In/Marion">Query of your Marion County, Indiana Ancestor</a>

Cameron, George K, brick yard, end Virginia Ave, res 413 s East Cameron, J.J. medical student, 15 e Washington, bds beyond city limits Cameron, William D, printer, bds 278 N Alabama Cameron William, S, steam book and job printer, 8 east Pearl, res 278 N Alabama

FYI I found a Mrs Mary Jeffries(wid, John) res Madison rd, near toll-gate This is the only Jeffries in the 1868 Indpls directory I can find. dj