Hi Roy, There are many Havens in Rush County related to the Rev. James Havens. However, my ancestor is NOT one of them. Elijah Havens was a shoemaker for a while in Rushville. He was born in KY and after Rushville moved on to Tipton Co. Do any of your Havens mention my Elijah and Catherine? Dorothy

Marilyn, There is a Mt. Zion Cemetery website on ROOTSWEB. I hope that helps. Connie Lindzy -----Original Message----- From: BDMBarber@aol.com [mailto:BDMBarber@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 8:08 PM To: INMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INMADISO-L] Mowrey/Mowery Families of Ovid Are there any 'cousins' out there that would like to share information on the Mowrey/Mowery families who were in Ovid (Mt Zion Lutheran Church) in the 1850's? My line went to Marion & Delaware Co's (Cross Roads). Would love to find descendents of the other Mowrey/Mowerys from Franklin Co, PA. Marilyn Barber Danville, IN

Are there any 'cousins' out there that would like to share information on the Mowrey/Mowery families who were in Ovid (Mt Zion Lutheran Church) in the 1850's? My line went to Marion & Delaware Co's (Cross Roads). Would love to find descendents of the other Mowrey/Mowerys from Franklin Co, PA. Marilyn Barber Danville, IN

Hi Everyone - I have not submitted the surnames I am researching for some time, so here they are: Eastes (Estes, ect.), Harvey, Webb, Cunningham, Scott, Havens, Pulley, Long, Poor, Parr, and Eck. Best Regards Roy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< END >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When we record our heritage we take great pride in looking at our list of ancestors and admire their origins, migrations and accomplishments. But, what good is it - unless it’s true? We need stories and rumors, they are great and often lead to the truth! BUT - Help eliminate errors. Don't take anything as Fact! Check references for validity! If we don’t our children’s children will be led down false trails and they will never be able to find their true heritage.

Thanks Lou will follow up!! -----Original Message----- From: GraveNews2@aol.com [mailto:GraveNews2@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:13 PM To: INMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INMADISO-L] For Deb - Apple Hi Deb, None of the surnames posted earlier are my family. Sarah Bonser, dau of Nathaniel Bonser, married Henry Apple ca. 1815, in Clermont Co OH. Nathaniel Bonser was my ancestor's step-brother, so not related. That is the only Apple connection I have. Sorry. Maybe the Clermont Co OH will help you. Lou in Indiana

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I had a teacher, JOE APPLE, when I was in the fifth or sixth grade in Burris School, Muncie. IN. That would have been about 1939.

Hi Deb, None of the surnames posted earlier are my family. Sarah Bonser, dau of Nathaniel Bonser, married Henry Apple ca. 1815, in Clermont Co OH. Nathaniel Bonser was my ancestor's step-brother, so not related. That is the only Apple connection I have. Sorry. Maybe the Clermont Co OH will help you. Lou in Indiana

Floyd, Am interested in ANY Apples in OHIO and INDIANA. I have a brick wall that is my 3Xgreatgrandmother, Sarah Apple she married Enos Boyd also grandfather in 1832 in Wayne Co. IN All census info shows she was born in Ohio. They settled for several years in Madison Co. Info shows she was born in 1818, Would you have any connections to this Apple??? Thanks so much for your time..... Deb Hutchinson, KS -----Original Message----- From: FCooper496@aol.com [mailto:FCooper496@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:05 PM To: INMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INMADISO-L] Ward, Bolander, Apple, Shinkle I have information oh the Shinkle, Apple and Bolander (I have it spelled Bolender) families that I will share. My connection to the Shinkle family is, my great aunt Ella Cooper was married to James W. Shinkle. James and Ella took my fathers brother and sister in to raise when their parents died. At that time they were living in Everton, Dade County, MO. My great grandparente, Joel and Winnie Cooper were also living with James and Ella. James parents were Daniel Shinkle b. 02/23/1836 in Felicity, OH and Jane Moorehead b. 07/19/1842. His grandparents were Martin Shinkle b. 10/15/1807 Felicity, OH and Nancy Ann Plummer b. 10/05/1804. They were married in Marion County, IN 01/19/1831. James great grandparents were Peter Shinkle b. 04/19/1778 Lancaster County, PA and Barbara Bolender who died 07/01/1842 in Ohio. Floyd Cooper Indianapolis

I'm forwarding this to the Madison & Delaware Co lists as there may be something helpful to researchers of these surnames. Lou in Indiana Some of the early Germans 1795-1805 to Clermont-Brown Co OH Date: 11/16/00 12:04:41 PM US Eastern Standard Time From: hermfagley@juno.com (HERMON B FAGLEY) To: OHCLERMO-L@rootsweb.com There was an intermarriage between one of the most important Felicity and Lewis Twnsp,Brown Co German's [Bolender's and in-laws Shinkles, and the most important in the Milford,Clermont-Hamilton Co, Christian Waldschmidt.. The latter d 1814,but his stone house on RT 126 survivies where his mills drew a settlement of ermans,that spread into Goshen and Miami Twnsp's, if not sw Warren Co. Waldschmidt's 1st wife was a Bolender, and his father, Rev Waldschmidt's church records of the Reading, Pa-Lebanon, Pa, Heidleberg, Pa region survive, in print, and perhaps on-line. Wm Penn recruited Germans for his colony of Pa. Counties like Lancaster, Lebanon, and Berks were-are largley German in many neighborhoods. 1729 Pa [?] Pa started keeping ships rosters of in-coming German's, and they are on-line. German churches often kept far better records than English. And many survive, in-part on-line. There is a Brushy Valley in Centre Co,mid Pa where many migrating to Clermont spent a few years. Don't waste much time on that 5-15 years, unless you need something. Penn State U area of mid Pa. German's are more likely found where the land has hills. Watch for multiple spellings Polender=Bolender=Bolander, Vogelen=Vogelei=Fagaly=Fagley Schenkel= Shinkle This makes using search engines harder, but not impossible, even rootsweb. FEGLEY-L-request@rootsweb.com BOLENDER-L-requst@rootsweb.com SUBSCRIBE Becklehymer=Picklesimer=BEHYMER=B'HYMER Book on the latter is Picklesimer. And "The Fagaly family in America" . Library may have just the book you need,but you are searching for wrong spelling. _________________________

I'm looking for 'AROMINE' who is on this list. I found an obituary that has info about a John Smith who died at a Romine house. Hoping that he can help me identify this man. Thanks, Barbara Richardson

Colleen, Could you please send me a copy. I have Micheals in my line and it might prove useful. Thank you Tami at mcpherson@ameritech.net Colleen Bowman wrote: > I found Mrs. Creth Michaels Obit. in grtgrandmas things. She is the > daughter of James and Lula Hiday Daniels. She was a native of Anderson, > Indiana born May 2, 1891. I would be happy to extend a scanned copy if > anyone needs it.

Great!!! I needed that chuckle. We have probably known a branch manager. Lou in Indiana

Thank you, that was great! Valerie Williams

While looking up my family tree I found some who had never come down. One claimed to be the branch manager.

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Hi to those who wrote about the Shinkle history. I am not related. My daughter had done some research for a former friend and had made a copy of the book at the Allen Co Public Library (Ft Wayne IN), not the Clermont Co OH Library, as I stated earlier. So if you do research at Ft Wayne, you are in luck. She hasn't had time to look for the copy, but I will keep reminding her, and let you know when she does. Lou in Indiana

Are you related to Elizabeth Shinkle married to James Hollingsworth in mid 1800's? JB ----- Original Message ----- From: <GraveNews2@aol.com> To: <INMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 7:05 AM Subject: [INMADISO-L] Ward, Bolander, Apple, Shinkle > Hi to the list. I recall some discussion on the list relating to the Ward > family of Hancock/Madison/Grant Co IN. None of this may fit any of your > families, but I thought I would forward it to the Madison Co list. On the > Clermont Co OH listserve I found the following discussion and thought perhaps > there might be some connection. It was about an Elijah Ward, but soon found > it was not the one who came to Madison Co, but as I read further, I saw where > a descendant, Michael Lindsay WARD b 1810 moved to Hancock Co IN when he > purchased land there in 1835. The Bolander/Apple family mentioned are > connected with the Shinkle family who were early settlers in Madison Co. > Lou in Indiana <GraveNews2@aol.com> > > From: "Jerilyn" <jaibird@infocom.com> > > To: <OHCLERMO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 12:46 PM > > Subject: Re: WARD,BOLANDER,APPLE,FISHER > > > Hi Tom & Carolyn, > I own the clermont co list and I have WARDs in my family tree. Here is > what I have so far: > Ancestors of Elijah WARD > Generation No. 1 > > 1. Elijah WARD. He married (1) Susannah ???. > > Children of Elijah WARD and Susannah ??? are: > i. James Harvey WARD, married Mary Ann ???. > ii. Elon WARD, born in Pleasant Hill, CC, Ohio. > iii. Sanford WARD, born in Clermont Co., OH; married Elizabeth ???. > > Ancestors of James Harvey WARD > Generation No. 1 > > 1. James Harvey WARD. He was the son of 2. Elijah WARD and 3. Susannah > He married (1) Mary Ann ???. > > Children of James WARD and Mary ??? are: > i. William A. WARD, born February 28, 1868 in New Richmond, Ohio; died > January 05, 1916 in New Richmond, OH; married Mollie F. SILLETT. > ii. Etta WARD. > iii. Albert WARD, born 1844; died 1888; married Susan FLORO. > iv. Laura W. WARD, born 1846; died 1923; married Edward G. AYERS. > v. James H. WARD, Jr, born 1854; died 1867. > > Molly SILLETT is my line.> > Hope we can connect. Thanks, Jerilyn > > Tom & Carolyn Ward wrote: I'm trying to learn the names of the children of > James and Elizabeth WARD who are buried up next to the church in the Mt. > Moriah Methodist Cemetery in Clermont Co. Tombstone gives James date of death > 12 Jun 1843 in the 79th year of his life. Elizabeth's says she died 14 Mar > 1842 in the 79th year of her life. An affidavit James gave mentions that he > is a Methodist Minister and > he mentions living in Berkeley Co VA now WV as a child in his father's > household during the Revolutionary War. The 1880 History of Clermont Co OH by > EVERTS on page 444 mentions that James WARD settled in Clermont about 1799 > and remained until death. Also that most of his family removed from the > area but that a > daughter married Elias T. FISHER one of the first postmasters. > Is Michael Lindsay WARD b 1810 probably Clermont Co one of the sons > of James and Elizabeth WARD?? Michael married Elizabeth BOLANDER in > Clermont Co. She is the daughter of Peter BOLANDER and Mary APPLE. He > moved to Hancock Co IN when he purchased land there in 1835, later > moving to Marion Co IN and then to Clinton Co IL. where he died 3 Dec 1890 > age 79. > Emanuel WARD probably born between 1804 and 1816 married Jemima/Jessamine > SMITH b OH in 1831 Fayette Co IN. > > Emanuel WARD, Ephraim WARD b 1816 TN my g g gf, and Michael Lindsay WARD all > purchased land in Hancock Co IN in 1835 within a few months of each other. > Any assistance in determining the children of James and Elizabeth WARD would > be greatly appreciated. Best wishes, and happy to share. > Tom & Carolyn WARD, P.O. Box 77, Columbus, KS 66725, (316)429-3475 > tcward@columbus-ks.com >

I have information oh the Shinkle, Apple and Bolander (I have it spelled Bolender) families that I will share. My connection to the Shinkle family is, my great aunt Ella Cooper was married to James W. Shinkle. James and Ella took my fathers brother and sister in to raise when their parents died. At that time they were living in Everton, Dade County, MO. My great grandparente, Joel and Winnie Cooper were also living with James and Ella. James parents were Daniel Shinkle b. 02/23/1836 in Felicity, OH and Jane Moorehead b. 07/19/1842. His grandparents were Martin Shinkle b. 10/15/1807 Felicity, OH and Nancy Ann Plummer b. 10/05/1804. They were married in Marion County, IN 01/19/1831. James great grandparents were Peter Shinkle b. 04/19/1778 Lancaster County, PA and Barbara Bolender who died 07/01/1842 in Ohio. Floyd Cooper Indianapolis

Sarah, I'd also be interested in the information on the Bolanders and Shinkles. My g-ggrandmother Elizabeth Shinkle is from Ohio and married a James Hollingsworth. Could you tell me how to get in touch with Lou. Thank you Johanna ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah <hawkmoon15@earthlink.net> To: <INMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [INMADISO-L] Ward, Bolander, Apple, Shinkle > Hi Lou, > > If Floyd is not interested in your daughter's research that she Xeroxed, > then I certainly would! I am realated to the Shinkle and Bolander families. > > Thank you! > Sarah Knecht Jones > hawkmoon15@earthlink.net >