Since the Times Mail is no longer publishing the complete obits for the area, you might find the following link helpful. http://www.bedfordonline.com/obit/index.htm ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I don't have much information, but I am searching for a lady named Ruth (maiden name Moungie). She was born in KY, probably Louisville, about 1909. She moved with her family to Bedford, Lawrence Co, IN by at least 1919, maybe as early as 1916. She is listed in the 1920 Bedford US Census as 11 years old. Ruth's sister, Thelma, married Roy Gardner (son of Sam Gardner) in 1919 and they were also living in Bedford in 1920. Ruth's father bought a 1937 auto so I know he was alive after 1937. I have no more info on any of this family until 1961 when Ruth's mother died. Her obit listed no spouse or children, but listed 2 grandchildren (no names). I'm hoping someone has a "Ruth" in their family. Or better still, the whole family. But...can anyone give me any tips on where to research in Lawrence County for this family? Thank you, Sandi Whitty Surnames: WHITTY WIMS (WEMES) WILEY (WILLEY) MOUNGIE (MONGIE MUNGIE MONGEY MUNGEY MONGY MUNGY MUNGEE) BOHANNON SANDERFER ROTTMAYER ROTTINGER (RATTINGER) WATERS PALMER HERZIG SEATON RANSDELL ERHART

Thanks for posting that information, Ellen. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen J Choate <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:56 AM Subject: [INLAWREN] courthouse fires > > > From: Ellen J Choate <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected],[email protected] > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:39:00 -0800 > Subject: courthouse fires > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > I saw a question a couple of days ago on one of my Indiana lists, but I > deleted the message and I don't remember which list. Maybe someone else > can use this, too. > Someone had asked if there was a list of Indiana courthouses that had > burned. Well, I happened to run across one today while looking for > something else entirely! > This is from "The Manual for Indiana Genealogical Research" by Pat and > Ray Gooldy, copyright 1991, contained in the Ector Co.,TX library. They > say this may not be a comprehensive list, and refer one to the "Indiana > Source Book I" (IN Hist. Soc., 1977). The dates are in genealogical > notation; day-mo-yr-- > > Boone Co. 12-10-1856 Hancock 9-12-1940 > Noble 25-1-1859 > Brown 1873 Henry > 1-2-1864(Morgan's Raid?) Parke 1-10-1833 > Clay 30-11-1851 Jackson 1872? 1881? > (sic) Porter 27-2-1934 > Daviess 1927 Johnson 12-12-1874 > Spencer 3-9-1833 > Dearborn 5-2-1826 Knox 24-1-1814 > Sullivan 7-2-1850 > DeKalb 1913 Madison 1-12-1880 > Tipton 1857 > Dubois 17-8-1839 Martin 27-4-1876 > Union 2-2-1903 > Franklin 22-2-1852 Miami 16-3-1843 > Vermillion 19-1-1844 > Gibson 1935 Morgan 31-3-1876 > Wabash 14-4-1870 > > It must be noted that simply because a fire occurred in one of these > courthouses, it does not mean all prior records were damaged or > destroyed. Check 'em anyway! > Ellen >

From: Ellen J Choate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected],[email protected] Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:39:00 -0800 Subject: courthouse fires Message-ID: <[email protected]> I saw a question a couple of days ago on one of my Indiana lists, but I deleted the message and I don't remember which list. Maybe someone else can use this, too. Someone had asked if there was a list of Indiana courthouses that had burned. Well, I happened to run across one today while looking for something else entirely! This is from "The Manual for Indiana Genealogical Research" by Pat and Ray Gooldy, copyright 1991, contained in the Ector Co.,TX library. They say this may not be a comprehensive list, and refer one to the "Indiana Source Book I" (IN Hist. Soc., 1977). The dates are in genealogical notation; day-mo-yr-- Boone Co. 12-10-1856 Hancock 9-12-1940 Noble 25-1-1859 Brown 1873 Henry 1-2-1864(Morgan's Raid?) Parke 1-10-1833 Clay 30-11-1851 Jackson 1872? 1881? (sic) Porter 27-2-1934 Daviess 1927 Johnson 12-12-1874 Spencer 3-9-1833 Dearborn 5-2-1826 Knox 24-1-1814 Sullivan 7-2-1850 DeKalb 1913 Madison 1-12-1880 Tipton 1857 Dubois 17-8-1839 Martin 27-4-1876 Union 2-2-1903 Franklin 22-2-1852 Miami 16-3-1843 Vermillion 19-1-1844 Gibson 1935 Morgan 31-3-1876 Wabash 14-4-1870 It must be noted that simply because a fire occurred in one of these courthouses, it does not mean all prior records were damaged or destroyed. Check 'em anyway! Ellen

Debbie, FOR YOUR INFORMATION A Would-Be Subscriber In a message dated 1/3/1 6:01:35 AM, [email protected] writes: << Content-Type: text/plain INLAWREN-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 2 Today's Topics: #1 [INLAWREN] Re: Death notices ["Roberta Willett" <[email protected]] #2 Re: [INLAWREN] Re: Death notices ["P Lindley-butle" <[email protected]] #3 Re: [INLAWREN] Re: Death notices [[email protected]] #4 Re: [INLAWREN] Re: Death notices ["david r. conley" <[email protected]] #5 [INLAWREN] e-mail address for Time [[email protected]] #6 Re: [INLAWREN] e-mail address for ["Joe Weber" <[email protected]>] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from INLAWREN-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ --------------------

This is completely off the track. But the Detroit News stopped printing pictures of 50th wedding anniversaries about 2 years ago (right after our 50th - just got in under the wire) They got so many complaints that they have now started printing them again. Maybe it would help to write letters - who knows. Roberta ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [INLAWREN] Re: Death notices > I agree wholeheartedly with Paula. Businesses who are always chasing the > marginal dollar of revenue show total disregard for the customer community > that made them as successful as they have become. Shame on the Times Mail > and a "pox" on their house. Obviously, revenue is of much higher concern > that customer satisfaction which you always find where monopolies exist. If > I still had a subscription, I would cancel it. > > If anyone wants to forward this to the newspaper, feel free to do so. I > would if I knew their E-mail address. Perhaps some others will join me if > the address is posted. Allen Murray > > ______________________________

Here is another > Debbie Thorgren-Turner > General Manager > e-mail: [email protected] > Joe Weber Bedford, Indiana 'Progress' and 'Change' are not synonyms. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 4:02 PM Subject: [INLAWREN] e-mail address for Times-Mail newspaper > Here is the e-mail address for the Times-Mail newspaper if you want to > contact them about the death notices issue. > > [email protected] >

P Lindley-butle wrote: > > I think it just goes to show you it's all about money, because you know that > most people are going to want the obituary done so they will pay for it!! > One more reason I won't subscribe to the Times Mail! I think people paying > for the subcription ARE already paying to have obituaries printed of the > people in the town where they live. I think it's a shame that as small a > community as we are, our local newspaper can't help us stay closer by > keeping people aware of losses in the community in a more complete way. It > makes it so impersonal- like nobody really cares anymore. Just my thoughts. > > Paula - Lawrence County, Indiana Paula- I agree!!! That is why we stopped taking it five years ago. Donna-Orange Co., In.

I think it just goes to show you it's all about money, because you know that most people are going to want the obituary done so they will pay for it!! One more reason I won't subscribe to the Times Mail! I think people paying for the subcription ARE already paying to have obituaries printed of the people in the town where they live. I think it's a shame that as small a community as we are, our local newspaper can't help us stay closer by keeping people aware of losses in the community in a more complete way. It makes it so impersonal- like nobody really cares anymore. Just my thoughts. Paula - Lawrence County, Indiana

I live in a small town and small county in northern Michigan and if our county newspaper doesn't have an obituary they do print a death notice. They are a little better than the Detroit papers but not much. Roberta ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:00 AM Subject: INLAWREN-D Digest V01 #1

Here is the e-mail address for the Times-Mail newspaper if you want to contact them about the death notices issue. [email protected]

I agree wholeheartedly with Paula. Businesses who are always chasing the marginal dollar of revenue show total disregard for the customer community that made them as successful as they have become. Shame on the Times Mail and a "pox" on their house. Obviously, revenue is of much higher concern that customer satisfaction which you always find where monopolies exist. If I still had a subscription, I would cancel it. If anyone wants to forward this to the newspaper, feel free to do so. I would if I knew their E-mail address. Perhaps some others will join me if the address is posted. Allen Murray

The Bedford Times-Mail announced it is going to Death Notices rather than Obituaries. (Individuals may have obituaries printed - for $45.00). If the death notices are anything like those in the Detroit papers (where I grew up) or Tampa, they are virtually useless for genealogical purposes. The Detroit notices are generally something like : "Jones, Mary 12 December 1999. beloved wife of John, mother of Sue, Mary and Tom. Services ABC Funeral home 10 AM Tuesday". Joe Weber Bedford, Indiana 'Progress' and 'Change' are not synonyms.

Hi I've wrote to you before about my Mary Jane Thorn B 11sept1834 Parke co.,in Married Franklin Dirk Woody .A relative and I believe Andrew is her father. Would you min sharing what you have on Andrew and Alley Drake.Mary Jane Died 29jun1909 in Jasper co.,iowa Her death cert says parents unknown.Thanks Juanita in Riverside.Ca.

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Posted on: Lawrence Co. In Pensions Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/In/LawrencePens/12 Surname: Hamer, Wood ------------------------- FamilySearch® International Genealogical Index™ North America IGI Record Henry HAMER Sex: M Event(s): Born: 1837 Lawrence', 'Indiana Parents: Father: James HAMER Mother: Sophia WOOD Batch number: 5010567 Sheet: 7 Henry T. Hamer; Residence Lawrence County IN; Enlisted on 7/31/61 as a Private. On 7/31/61 he mustered into "A" Co. IN 24th Infantry He was Mustered Out on 7/30/64 Promotions: * Corpl Sources: Report of the Adjutant General of the State of Indiana Henry T. Hamer applied for pension on June 28, 1881 in Kansas. His unit had been "A" 24 Indiana Infantry. Affidavit of John Fullen, late a Private of Company A, 24th Indiana Infantry Claim of Henry T. Hamer, No. 429031 for Original Invalid Pension. State of Indiana, County of Orange ss/ On this 21st day of August, A.D. 1882, personally appeared before me, a Notary Public in and for the County and State aforesaid, John Fullen, who being duly sworn according to law, declared in relation to the aforesaid claim as follows: That he was well acquainted with the said Henry T. Hamer and was his comrade in Company A, 24th Indiana Volunteers, and while in the said service aforesaid the said Henry T. Hamer, while at Georgetown in the State of Missouri, was taken sick and was furloughed home, this was in or abut the fall of 1861; he returned to his Company and Regiment after his furlough expired and was still not able to do the full service of a soldier in his Company on account of his disability; he was then detailed to drive a team in said Regiment and was not able to do the said duty and the said officiant herein was detailed to assist him. And he further states that said Hamer on account of his disability was never able after this time to do his full duty as a soldier and in his line of duty he further states that he has no interest in this prosecution either direct or indirect and that his Post Office address is: Paoli, Orange County, Indiana. sx John Fullen sx William T. Spearly, Notary Public. War Department. Adjutant General's Office. Washington. Feb 5, 1883 #429031 Respectfully returned to the Commissioner of Pensions. Henry T. Hamer, a private of Company A, 24th Regiment Indiana Inf Volunteers, was enrolled on the 31 day of July, 1861, at Vincennes, for three years, and is reported: on Roll July & August by Present; Sep & Oct by absent, in hospital at Tipton; Nov & Dec 1861 - present; Jan & Feb 1862, absent on Furlough since Jan 14, 1862; on subsequent Rolls by June 30 by Absent, Detached on Pioneer Corps, 3rd Div- 13th A.C. since Apr 22, 1863; July & August by Absent; Discharged July 30. He was mustered out on Detachment M.O.R. dated July 30 at Baton Rouge, La. The name Henry T. Harmer not borne. Return for Apr 1862 does not report him absent; no such organization as 24 Ind Cavalry; Roll Pioneer 3rd Div 12th Army Corps for July & Aug 1863 reports Henry T. Hamer "Pvt" present; Name not borne on any other rolls or returns; records are incomplete. Nature of Sickness in 1861 and cause of furlough Jan 14, 1862 not stated. No medical certificate or Regimental Hospital records on file. sX M.M.Banta, Assistant Adjutant General. Special Examination Report. Kansas City, MO. June 14, 1886. Hon. John C. Black Commissioner of Pensions Washington, DC Sir: I have the honor to return herein the papers in the Pension Claim 429031 of Henry T. Hamer of Co. A, 24th Ind Inf Vols whose address is Council Grove, Morris Co. Kansas, and who claims pension for piles, chronic diarrhea, and rheumatism. Special examination was desired to determine origin in service, and reference made to me for deposition of affiant George Jacobs. I respectfully submit the accompanying deposition of Mr. Jacobs, whose reputation and standing are good, although he has resided in Missouri for only six or eight months past. I was very favorably impressed by the witness, and upon careful consideration of all the testimony in the case recommend admission. Very respectfully, C.B. Rockwood, Special Examiner. Deposition in Case of Henry T. Hamer, No. 429031. Tinneys Grove, Ray County, Missiouri. June 11, 1886. George Jacobs. On this 11th day of June, 1886, near Tinneys Grove, County of Ray, State of Missouri, before me, C.B. Rockwood, a Special Examiner of the Pension Office, personally appeared George Jacobs, who, being by me first duly sworn to answer truly all interrogatories propounded to him during this Special Examination of aforesaid pension claim, deposes and says: my age is 50 years past. Residence 3 miles east of Tinneys Grove, Mo, popularly called Tinneys Point; am farming. I was raised from a boy with client, near Bedford & Mitchell, Lawrence Co, Indiana, and at his enlistment in 1861 we were living about a half a mile apart. I was not in the service because of a disabled left hand. But client stayed at my house when home on furlough sometime in the summer of 1862. I don't now recollect of his having two furloughs, nor of seeing him more than the one time during his service. I saw him frequently, every week or two, from his discharge, until he went to Kansas, about two years later. But during these two yearshe lived with his mother in the same yard as lived Sam Bright, near Mitchell, Indiana, so that I usually met him in town of Saturdays and Sundays. He frequently came to my house too. Up to his enlistment he was sound and able bodied so far as I knew. I used to scuffle and try my strength with him a lot of times. And I never knew of his being sick, or ailing, r complaining in any way before service. When he was home on the furlough he looked badly sick, and had the chronical diarrhea. The doctor Bulkley said that was what ailed him, and I saw him go so frequently to stool that I knew he must have had diarrhea at the time. I saw his stools occasionally and noted that his food went through him without proper digestion, the food passing out in lumps and mixed at times with slime, streaked with blood. I couldn't help seeing him suffering with griping at the bowels, and that he had a good deal of misery. He was very low spirited and entirely unable to do anything all of his furlough, which I think was for 30 days and extended to 60. He stayed at my house altogether about 10 days to two weeks out of his furlough, and the balance of the time he spent among the connections in the neighborhood. On his final discharge he appeared in as good health as before service, but he did very little work, and complained that he couldn't stand to be "het up" by work or exposure to hot weather, and that work fatigued him. He also complained that he was troubled with gripings at the bowels, and I think he was being treated by Dr. Noland, but I am not positive. I haven't any knowledge that client had piles or rheumatism, except that he complained to me right after discharge that he had both, but he didn't tell me where his rheumatism was. He said he couldn't lift anything on account of the piles, but I never saw his piles. I have seen him only 3 or 4 times since 1866, and besides his statements, have no knowledge of his particular physical condition. He always looked well enough. My first wife was his cousin. I have no interest in this claim and am not otherwise related to him. George Jacobs, Deponent. Sworn to and subscribed before me this 11th day of June, 1886, and I certify that the contents were fully made known to deponent before signing. C.B. Rockwood, Special Examiner. Council Grove, Kansas. April 30, 1912. This is to certify that I was the attending physician during the last illness of Henry T. Hamer and that he died on the 13th day of April, 1912. B.E. Miller, MD Drop Order and Report. May 7, 1912. Department of the Interior. Bureau of Pensions. Washington, D.C., May 7, 1912. Henry T. Hamer, 335103, invalid, Pr, A, 24, Ind. Inf. U.S. Pension Agent, Topeka. Sir: You are hereby directed to drop from the roll the name of the above described pensioner who died April 13, 1912. L. Stillwell. Report. Commissioner of Pensions. Sir: The name of the above described pensioner who was last paid at $20 per month to Feb 4, 1912, has this day been dropped from the roll of this agency.

Absolutely wonderful! Lauralea Trisler Saddick Harley D. Brown wrote: > My son is a lawyer and writes case law summaries for Lexis-Nexis. He ran across this item in one of the court cases that he was reviewing. I am forwarding it on to the list in hopes that some of you will get a kick out of it as well. > --Harley D. Brown > > The Smiths were proud of their family tradition. Their ancestors had come to > America on the Mayflower and the family included Senators and Wall Street > wizards. The family decided to compile a family history, a legacy for their > children and grandchildren. So the family hired a fine author to put > together all their research notes, only one problem arose - how to handle > great Uncle George, who was executed in the electric chair. The author said > not to worry for he could handle the story tactfully so the book appeared > and it said... > " Great Uncle George occupied a chair of applied electronics at an important > government institution. He was attached to his position by the strongest of > ties, and his death came as a great shock."

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My son is a lawyer and writes case law summaries for Lexis-Nexis. He ran across this item in one of the court cases that he was reviewing. I am forwarding it on to the list in hopes that some of you will get a kick out of it as well. --Harley D. Brown The Smiths were proud of their family tradition. Their ancestors had come to America on the Mayflower and the family included Senators and Wall Street wizards. The family decided to compile a family history, a legacy for their children and grandchildren. So the family hired a fine author to put together all their research notes, only one problem arose - how to handle great Uncle George, who was executed in the electric chair. The author said not to worry for he could handle the story tactfully so the book appeared and it said... " Great Uncle George occupied a chair of applied electronics at an important government institution. He was attached to his position by the strongest of ties, and his death came as a great shock."

I have been searching for any information on the following people. They seem to have just disappeared. I am hoping someone will have some knowledge of them. George Moungie, born abt 1876 in Louisville, KY married Ida May Wilburn, born 1 Oct 1877 in Crawford, IN, the daughter of John H. and Mahala Ma Adams (or McAdams) Wilburn. Ida died 1 Aug 1961 in the Madison State Hospital and was buried in Portland Cemetery in Louisville, KY where her brother lived. Her obit lists only 2 grandchildren as survivors, no husband or children. No names. George and Ida moved to Bedford, IN about 1910 and were still there in 1920. George worked for the Shea Donley Stone Co. They had 2 or 3 daughters; Thelma born, I believe 24 Jun 1901-1903 in KY. She married Roy Gardner, born 3 Oct 1895 in IN, the son of Sam Gardner and Sarah Bell Jackson Gardner. "Bell" Gardner is listed in the 1920 Census as a widow. Roy Gardner is listed as a laborer for the Monon R.R. Ruth Moungie is listed in the 1920 Census as 11 years old. I know George was alive in 1937 and maybe until abt 1940. His sister died in 1940 and he is not listed as a survivor in her obit. I've tried every avenue and connot find who Ruth married, if she did marry, or the date George died. Thank you, Sandi Whitty