This is a very helpful web site, listing all states and counties and some links to foreign countries. Tells where to write for any type of vital statistic and how much it costs. Updated frequently. Karen Anderson http://www.vitalrec.com/

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In a message dated 12/6/98 8:15:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << And thanks Cheryl for sort of explaining why the cost is going up... even tho I don't understand what "fraudulent use of vital records for personal gain" means... (I'm one of those "honest" (or naive people) Do you mean - like taking on another identity?? marge >> Marge, People use other people's birth certificates to take on another person's identity, usually for one of two reasons. Either because they are an illegal immigrant, or they are trying to commit welfare or credit fraud. It happens all the time. If you have a birth certificate of someone living, you can get a replacement copy of their Social Security card... you can see where that one is going!! Think of what a dishonest person could do with a fake birth certificate and social security card. The next thing they would have is a replacement drivers license, credit cards and checking accounts... yuk!! My mom went to Michigan to get copies of birth records, the type that are hand written in the huge ledger books, all pre 1900. They wouldn't even let her look at the books!!!!! They hand wrote certificates and then certified them from the original ledger books. No photocopies, no camera photos, you can't even lay eyes on them! They stood between her and the books on the counter so she couldn't peek! For Pete's sake!!! Her GGGgrandfather died in an asylum in Kent County Michigan. That was around 1870. Many times they were used for the disabled and elderly, not just the mentally ill patients. We cannot get any information from the asylum at all. They say it is confidential information! From 1870.. geez!! Guess we have to be glad when we get any info at all from some of these places! Cheryl Cheryl

Marge, I've only seen it come through one time! Cheryl

In a message dated 12/6/98 7:49:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: [INKOSCIU-L] Vital Records cost Date: 12/6/98 7:49:41 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [email protected] (Marjorie Priser) Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hi Cheryl, What I want to know is whether or not we stand idly by and watch it go up with no recourse... or can we protest and keep it from escalating as fast?? marge Would an avalanche of letters to our congressmen help or at least start some sort of dialogue?? >> Marge, It seems that the cost of availability is increasing as a result of many factors, including the rising cost of overhead in government agencies and the indirect cost of trying to prevent the fraudulent use of vital records for personal gain. It is too bad that honest folks end up paying for other people's ignorance and dishonesty. Sure would be nice if that were to change, but ..... Cheryl

In a message dated 12/6/98 7:34:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: [INKOSCIU-L] TAN: Vital Records info Date: 12/6/98 7:34:56 PM Pacific Standard Time From: [email protected] (Marjorie Priser) Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Thanks Karen for the web site regarding vital records - where to obtain and how much the cost is... which brings me to a point... I see that on the state page...Indiana death records are now $6.00 compared to $4.00 last time I checked... I suppose that to some people getting a death record for $6.00 might seem cheap... it would depend on what you were comparing it to... but I wonder how far up the ladder "copy cost" is going to climb. Our tax money pays for the government offices and machines and salaries for people to run the offices and machines. WHY is there an additional charge... for copies... and where is it going to end... $20.00 each record?.... $20.00 each copy?? Is there anyone else out there who thinks this is getting out of hand? Is this a topic to be discussed, and if so, who do we need to contact to see how many we had better get at $6.00 each... before the price goes up to $10.00 each? Do we, as mere taxpayers have a any "say" in the matter. Question respectfully submitted, marge priser >> Marge, Birth and Death Certificates in Washington State are now $13 and there is talk of them going up to $15 shortly. Uncertified, cheaper copies are no longer available. One of the justifications for the state increasing the charges are that they are now making a service available so that you may go to any county office and receive a certified copy of birth or death certificates from any other county while you wait. This was only available in the city of Olympia for the state, and even then you usually had to pick it up the next day, not much while you wait service. Cheryl Hawley

Marge, I understand your questions and concerns. However, costs keep rising and I feel that even though we pay taxes to support these gov't agencies, I also am in agreement with "user fees" to help keep the taxes down! And think about this - since I live out of state, I don't pay taxes to Indiana, therefore, if there were no fees for copies of certificates, then I'd be virtually getting them for free. How fair would that be to an Indiana taxpayer? I don't mind paying the fees. It's a lot cheaper to write for a certificate than to fly clear across the country to make my own copy! What I find interesting is the variation in costs - Ohio charges only $1 if you don't need a certified copy. There are several states that charge between $10-15. In Australia, if you don't have the registration number, it costs AUS $32, which is equivalent to US $19.72 at this writing (of course, if you have the number, it's only half that!) And then there are the states that won't even release copies for research unless a significent time frame has passed (NY for example - birth certificate 75 yrs after the registration and the person is known dead, and for death certificates - they have to be on file for 50 years!) Sherry Redmond, WA At 10:30 12/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > Thanks Karen for the web site regarding vital records - >where to obtain and how much the cost is... which brings me to a >point... >I see that on the state page...Indiana death records are now >$6.00 compared to $4.00 last time I checked... > I suppose that to some people getting a death record for >$6.00 might seem cheap... it would depend on what you were >comparing it to... but I wonder how far up the ladder "copy >cost" is going to climb. Our tax money pays for the government >offices and machines and salaries for people to run the offices >and machines. WHY is there an additional charge... for copies... >and where is it going to end... $20.00 each record?.... $20.00 >each copy?? Is there anyone else out there who thinks this is >getting out of hand? Is this a topic to be discussed, and if >so, who do we need to contact to see how many we had better get >at $6.00 each... before the price goes up to $10.00 each? Do >we, as mere taxpayers have a any "say" in the matter. > Question respectfully submitted, marge priser

Was on the Kosciusko County web page last night and found two new additions -the coordinator has added a link to June Byrne's web page on the CLOVER families that features CLOVER entries from the 1790-1820 censuses. June will be adding more to the page on a regular basis, I'll bet. And a link has been added to a huge database of newspaper information. CompuGen Systems in Fort Wayne IN has compiled over 3.5 million entries of vital statistics (births, deaths, marriages, etc., etc.) from newspapers all over the state of Indiana. There is a fee for this service, however, to give you a clue as to the amount of entries for a particular surname, you can check on the web page to see a count of entries by surname. Entries for Kosciusko County are especially heavy, in that at least three people in this county have, over a period of time contributed to the database. The report is an index. You can e-mail CompuGen (Stuart Harter) with any further questions. marge priser

http://www.casema.net/~pico/kerst/ Please check this out!!! My best wishes to all for the entire year!!!

Just tried to send an e-mail to Gene Andert, coordinator of the page and received it back as undeliverable... Have you change your e-mail address, Gene? [email protected]

I'd like to find out more about a hotel in Pierceton that I believe was across from the railroad tracks near the station. It may have been in operation in the late 1800s to early 1900s, but that's just a guess. I have a pressed- back, oak chair with arms that came from the hotel. My great-grandfather, Joseph LEEDY MENZIE 1851-1933, brought it home & may have had an interest in the hotel. He was married to Elsie MAKEMSON. Joseph, & later my grandfather, Charles Joseph MENZIE 1896-1984, used the chair at the dining table, and I now have it. Both were known for cleaning their plate with a piece of bread until it looked clean--so I tell my guests who sit in it that they have to do the same! I'd love to know a bit more about the origin of this sentimental piece of furniture. Brenda Robison Indianapolis, IN

Regarding my previous post about the soldier book from Fulton County. As I reread my post.. I noticed that I didn't specifically say that it was likely that most of the 1000+ soldiers would be from Fulton County. There MAY be a few from Kosciusko county... especially the bordering areas like Akron or Burket, but most would probably be Fulton county soldiers. Marjorie Priser

Just read in our local weekly newspaper that FULTON COUNTY... the county to the south of Kosciusko County has a new book, published by the Fulton County Historical Society that is a listing of name, address, rank and regiment, enrollment and discharge dates and references on 1081 soldiers . The press release says that the book is 28 pages, 8 1/2 x 11 with soft cover. This is a "reprint" of the 1963 list, originally compiled by Waldo Adams (at one time, county historian for Kosciusko County)... but has been computerized, updated, proofread and corrected in its new edition. There is no price given. Perhaps the price could be obtained from the Fulton County GenWeb page. This book may be of interest to persons researching families with soldiers who might have gone to Rochester to enlist... rather than Warsaw. Marjorie Priser [email protected]

++++++++++++++ Hi, Here's more of my records (3 sources) Jerry Fecht This may interest you from the Secrist Family Index: KUHN, Isaiah ______________ b: 3 May, 1850 in Tippiecanoe Township, Kosciusko County, Indiana mother: Susan (MOCK) --- father: John KUHN m: 7 February, 1875 to Selma YOUNG in ________________ Note: Kinship of this man is unknown, but it appears in the Secrist Family History The following is from the Crites Family Index GAWTHROP, Ida May (CRITES) (c-219) b: 14 May , 1875 at Pappakeechie Lake, Kosciusko County, Indiana mother: Mary Ann (SECRIST) (c-79) (s-312) -- father: Josiah M. CRITES (c-46) so: ___________ THOMAS m: ______________ to Richard Byron GAWTHROP (c-229) d: 21 June, 1961 in _______________, Indiana bur: _______________ in McClintic Cemetery in ______________________ GAWTHROP, Katherine Lucile (see NEBRO, Katherine Lucile) (c-230) b: ____________ in ________________, _____________ County, in ______________ mother: Ida May (CRITES) (c-219) -- father: Richard Byron GAWTHROP (c-229) m: 1st) 20 July, 1929 to Louis John NEBRO (c-223) in ______________ m: 2nd) 9 November, 1940 to Harry Alvin BURSON (c-233) in ___________ GAWTHROP, Polly Ann (KUHN) no relation to this family - 1st wife of Richard Byron GAWTHROP (c-229) Polly’s children with Richard Gawthrop are half-brother/sisters to Catherine Lucile GAWTROP NEBRO (c-230). They are: 1) Ada Zuella GAWTHROP SUTHERLIN 2) Leo Merl GAWTHROP 3) Chloe GAWTHROP MOCK (see also KUHN, MOCK Secrist Family index) Note: Kuhn (who was married to R. Byron Gawthrop) as 20 May 1859. ( from the newspaper obit that my grandmother, Mary Gawthrop Menzie - probably in "The Northern Indianian" Polly died 30 Jan 1904, according to this obit & the one for R. Byron Gawthrop in 1923. Her age per the obit was 44y, 8m,10ds. It states that she married R. Byron Gawthrop in 1979. Source: Brenda Robison Indianapolis, Indiana ([email protected]) GAWTHROP, Richard ____________ (c-341) father of Richard Byron GAWTHROP (c-229) GAWTHROP, Richard Byron (c-229) b: 23 December, 1855 in Oswego (Mills), Indiana mother: Sarah (STEPHENS) (c-342) --- father: Richard GAWTHROP (c-341) m: 1) _____________ to Polly Ann KUHN in m: 2)______________ to Ida May CRITES (c-219) in _______________ d: ___________, 1923 in _________________________ bur: __________________ in ______________ Cemetery, in _______________ GAWTHROP, Sarah _____________ (c-342) mother of Richard Byrton GAWTHROP (c-229) ________________________ from the Secrist Family History CATHERINE ANN BACHTEL (B-2217-S) (note: some records call her Catharine) born: 31 July, 1828 in Stark County, Ohio mother: Mary (SHERMAN) -- father: Daniel BACHTEL married: 1st) 23 December, 1849 to David SECRIST in Stark Co., Ohio widowed in 1857 married: 2nd) 22 June, 1873 to John KUHN jr. in Kosciusko Co, Indiana died: 22 September, 1898 in ________________ buried: ______________ in Mock Cemetery, North Webster, Kosciusko Co., Indiana

Jean. I looked in the Kosciusko co. marriage application records (published by Kos. co. Genealogy Section, compiled by Marjorie Nye) and found: John R. Huffman (age 27) marrried to Prudence D. Murphy on May 28 1896. Prudence was 17 and her parents are given as Robert Murphy & Hannah Porter. Wish they were all this easy to find. Laurie Smith Jean E Martinez wrote: > I am seeking info on two of my great grand mothers. The first is > PRUDENCE HUFFMAN wife of JOHN R. HUFFMAN. They had one daughter GLADYS > MARIE born in March 1898. The family appears in the 1900 census for the > county. I'm trying to find Prudence's maiden name and family. She > evidentally died sometime between 1900 and 1920. JOHN R. HUFFMAN then > married DELLA ? and they had one child CLEO MAE HUFFMAN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second line I'm seeking help with is that of KETTURAH HOPPIS, > daughter of DANIEL HOPPIS. Census records show that DANIEL would have > been born abt. 1823-24 in PA. Others listed in the 1880 census include > MARSIALE (illegible) b. abt. 1840-41 IN, MALISSA b. 1846-47, JOHN b. > 1848-49, JANE b. 1851-52, AMANDA b. 1853-54, MERNERVA b. 1864-65, and > ?(first name illegible possibly Otis) JAMES b. 1866-67. KETTURAH was > born in 1859 and died in 1948 buried next to her husband JOSIAH BRANT in > Wooden Cem. in Harrison County. there appears to be no one in the census > of appropriate age to be KETTURAH'S mother. Presumably DANIEL had a > second wife ? MARSIALE much younger than he. Seeking to identify > KETTURAH'S mother and where in PA the HOPPIS family came from. MALISSA > AND JOHN were born in Ohio and all others in Indiana. > > Any assistance on either of these families would be greatly appreciated. > > Jean (Brant-Knapp) Martinez > [email protected] > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ==== INKOSCIU Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, address your email to [email protected] (or [email protected] if you receive the digest)

Hi June, Thanks for the info on the birth records. I'll dig in another direction. Jean (Brant-Knapp) Martinez P.O. Box 797 Springer, NM 87747 [email protected] Researching: BRANT (PA>OH>IN), KNAPP (NY>OH>IN), HUFFMAN (VA>IN), WEYANT(?>IN), HOPPIS (PA>OH>IN), BOOTH (NY>OH), HARVEY (NY>PA>OH), ROBERTS (WV>IN), MC CURDY (?>IN), SHREVE (?>OH>IN), MURPHY (?>IN), HUNTLEY (CT>MA>OH) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi, Would anyone by chance have access to early birth records for the county. I'm looking for the birth record of my great grandfather JOHN R. HUFFMAN b. Sept. 1869 to HENDERSON J. HUFFMAN and ? (mother's name unknown). I'm also looking for siblings for JOHN R. if anyone has him in their Huffman line. Thanks A Lot Jean Jean (Brant-Knapp) Martinez P.O. Box 797 Springer, NM 87747 [email protected] ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > PLEASE FORWARD ...... TO ALL HARLAN COUNTY RESEARCHERS > > RELATIVES SOUGHT FOR CEMETERY RE-LOCATION > > The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet, Dept. of Highways > have deemed it necessary to re-locate three cemeteries in > the Martins Fork area as part of the expansion project for > US Highway 421 into Virginia. The Transportation > Department would like to contact the next of kin of the > deceased whose names are listed here in the following > cemeteries: > A cemetery located on the property owned by Doris Lee > Hubbs and designated as Parcel no. 216 on the official > plans. Said cemetery is located approximately .20 mile > northeast of the intersection of US 421 and Bob's Creek > road and approximately 500 feet northwest of Bob's Creek > Road. This cemetery is approximately 25'X30' and > contains an estimated 6 graves, some of which may be > unmarked and unidentified. The cemetery may contain > the following deceased: MILDRED SEARS POPE (NOV. > 1, 1930 - DEC. 4, 1984); WILLIAM M. POPE (APR. 16, > 1932 - MAY 10, 1990); LAVANA POPE (FEB. 20, 1869 - > MAR. 17, 1958); JOANNA POPE (OCT. 6, 1842 - APR. > 16, 1927); W.M. "BILLY" POPE (DEC. 19, 1886 - JUN. > 14, 1964); MARY LULA POPE (JUN. 6, 1888 - AUG. 11, > 1982). > The next cemetery is located northeast of the intersection > of US 421 and Wampus Creek Road and approximately > 30 feet north of a Kentucky Utilities transmission line. This > cemetery is 50'x130' and contains an estimated 15 > graves. The cemetery may contain the following > deceased: > JOHN H. FARMER (OCT. 6, 1821 - FEB. 21, 1899); > MIDDLETON (UNK FIRST NAME > OF DATES); LEONE LOVE; PHYLLIS CAROLE TAYLOR. > The next cemetery is located east of the intersection of > US 421 and Pine Branch Road and approximately 400 > feet east of existing us 421. This cemetery is > approximately 75''100''and contains the remains of several > FARMER'', DEANS and WALKERS. If you think you may > have relatives buried in one of these cemeteries you > should contact the Dept. of Transportation at (606) 598- > 8269 or email at: [email protected] > > > ==== CUMBERLAND-RIVER Mailing List ==== > CRR Web Site;<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/6808/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --part0_911658060_boundary-- > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Visit The Quaker Corner - http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers > > >

Barb. I have gotten the Book on the Bishops from Marge Priser and am ready to make copies of chapters for folks that want them. You expressed an interest in Bishop Otterbein - but I wasn't sure if you wanted copies of his biography. If so, it is 25 pages long ... plus the front page ... making 26 pages at 15¢ each ($3.90) plus postage. Do you indeed want a copy? If so, just let me know ... and include your mailing address. The book is quite yellowed but I am getting copies that are certainly readable - but still very dark. Laurie Smith Ken and Barb Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > I also am interested in one of the bios listed in this book. My Rowland > family, who came from Kosc. Co., to north Missouri, were founding members of > the "Otterbein" United Brethren Church in Mercer Co. MO. > > Barb Roberts > [email protected] > <snip> > 2. Life of Philip William Otterbein -First Bishop > > ==== INKOSCIU Mailing List ==== > Kosciusko Co, IN USGenWeb site http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/kosco.htm

Looking for descendants of ISAAC J. DAWSON & his second wife, JOANNA RILEY DAWSON of Harrison Twp., Kos. Co IN found on 1850 US Census. Isaac J. Dawson b. 13 April 1788 MD, resided 1820-1830 BROWN CO OH, resided 1838-1840 in FAYETTE CO OH; removed to KOSCIUSKO CO IN by 1842. Isaac J. Dawson bgt land from JAMES JARRETT 28 Mar 1842. Children: Joseph, Andrew, Eliza, Geo. W., Francis A. & Isabella. Isaac J. Dawson d. 18 Sep 1851, bur. in Pleasant View Cem. Joanna Dawson, widow, mar. (3) JAMES MASON 24 Jul 1853 in Kos. Co IN. Oldest son of Isaac J. & Mary Dawson was DAVID DAWSON (b. 1819 Brown Co OH) mar. NANCY LOSURE on 2 Feb 1838 in Kos. Co IN. Their children: Rachel, Lucille, Jacob L., Mary L. and Isaac H. Dawson. DAVID DAWSON resided Harrison Twp, Kos. Co IN. His marriage was said to be "first" in Warsaw. DAVID DAWSON as a young man worked in WM POPE's store c1835 across from Losure's Inn aka "Losier House." PAT DOSTER <[email protected]>