Dear June, If you have a chance could you do a lookup for me? I saw that you could do the 1866 Kosciucko County census 6104706. I am interested in the Riggens/Riggins family of Etna Green Twp., Kosciusko County, specifically, Samuel and Lawson with their children. Thanks! A little note to your posting. People that react that way to a free service are usually unhappy with their own life and choose to make other people unhappy. It is people like you who I greatly appreciate. I live in a rural area and do most of my research through the internet and letters. Just in yesterday's paper they announced a new family history center opening in my area and you can bet if someone needs a lookup in my area I would certainly do it for free (minus postage and copy fees) but when it was convenient for me. I have gotten several of my relatives and friends hooked and I stress how nice and willing genealogists are to help new researchers. I hope I am not wrong. Kim

I am new to this list but I think your idea is also great. Whenever I correspond with my "cousins" I also ask for a picture to include with their bio info. That is their "payment" for my material. By the way I am researching the following names: HEETER/HIBSCHMAN/RILEY/ELKINS/LAWRENCE/COLE/SANDERS Daniel J. Riley b 1949 Indiana Calvin Riley 1925 -1958 Indiana Ellis Riley 1887-1966 Indiana Theodore J. Riley 1861-1924 Indiana William Riley 1827/1829 Ohio 1907 Indiana John Riley Daniel J. Riley Calvin Arthur Riley 1925-1958 Jennie Heeter Riley 1887-1983 Warren Heeter 1855 -1922 Elder Noah Heeter 1832 -1893 Daniel J. Riley b 1949 Indiana Calvin Riley 1925 -1958 Indiana Ellis Riley 1887-1966 Indiana Theodore J. Riley 1861-1924 Indiana MARRIED Minnie Bell Hibschman 1866 -1929 Jacob Hibschman 1838 -1919 Daniel Hibschman 1814 - Henry Hibschman 1770-1859 Henry Hibshman 1748 - 1818 Johann Gerhardt Huebschmann 1717(?) -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Butler [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 4:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [INKOSCIU] census film look up issue Thanks for all the replies - there must have been two dozen! A variety of opinion, most on the side of free volunteer lookups. This is what I think now - I would be almost nowhere on my genealogy if it were not for others who looked things up for me for free. I don't think I could have afforded to pay money to all those people. Once one gets a few generations down, the quantity of surnames and possibilities are numerous. I have over three dozen surnames already in just a short time researching. I could not afford to pay for everyone helping along all those lines. I probably have accumulated over three or four hundred email REPLIES to my queries. If those were a dollar a pop - whoa. Having said that, let me say this: The time I spend looking up for other people is not trivial - it added up to, this time, 4 or so hours last month of my annual leave. However, I consider that time as a gift to genealogists everywhere in return for their gift of their time and trouble looking up stuff for me. It is exciting to find someone for other people - I share in the "coolness" of the find. My time is free. As for the cost of film rental fees - I have no moral heartburn over asking people to share the cost of them if I am looking up lots of unrelated names. However I do not want to handle cash at all - not ask for it, not accept it. So ..... here's my decision: I will now ask for a donation - in fact an equivalent $1 donation - asking people who request a lookup to send me a postcard of their home town, or perhaps of the region of the person they are looking up. The postcard and stamp will cost THEM money, but I don't want the cash - all I want is a thank you and a collection of greetings from lots of people from around the world. How does that sound? Kerry Butler [email protected] ______________________________

GREAT IDEA!!!!! You have given me fodder for thought!!!! Being a postcard collector, that would be a great way to expand on my collection and from fellow genealogists to boot! Sherry At 04:09 PM 11/30/99 -0500, you wrote: <snip> >I will now ask for a donation - in fact an equivalent $1 donation - asking >people who request a lookup to send me a postcard of their home town, or >perhaps of the region of the person they are looking up. The postcard and >stamp will cost THEM money, but I don't want the cash - all I want is a >thank you and a collection of greetings from lots of people from around the >world. > >How does that sound? > >Kerry Butler >[email protected] >

Kerry, Your idea of requesting a postal memory in exchange for census look-ups is a great one. Very ingenious. Good luck on those look-ups. Genealogy is exciting. And finding something - even if it isn't your own line - adds to the excitement. Best wishes in your work. Shirley Webb [email protected]

Thanks for all the replies - there must have been two dozen! A variety of opinion, most on the side of free volunteer lookups. This is what I think now - I would be almost nowhere on my genealogy if it were not for others who looked things up for me for free. I don't think I could have afforded to pay money to all those people. Once one gets a few generations down, the quantity of surnames and possibilities are numerous. I have over three dozen surnames already in just a short time researching. I could not afford to pay for everyone helping along all those lines. I probably have accumulated over three or four hundred email REPLIES to my queries. If those were a dollar a pop - whoa. Having said that, let me say this: The time I spend looking up for other people is not trivial - it added up to, this time, 4 or so hours last month of my annual leave. However, I consider that time as a gift to genealogists everywhere in return for their gift of their time and trouble looking up stuff for me. It is exciting to find someone for other people - I share in the "coolness" of the find. My time is free. As for the cost of film rental fees - I have no moral heartburn over asking people to share the cost of them if I am looking up lots of unrelated names. However I do not want to handle cash at all - not ask for it, not accept it. So ..... here's my decision: I will now ask for a donation - in fact an equivalent $1 donation - asking people who request a lookup to send me a postcard of their home town, or perhaps of the region of the person they are looking up. The postcard and stamp will cost THEM money, but I don't want the cash - all I want is a thank you and a collection of greetings from lots of people from around the world. How does that sound? Kerry Butler [email protected]

The quantity of sharing that occurs in genealogy is one of the most wonderful things about the hobby. There is a whole long list of people out there who have done marvelous things for me. I am kept busy just trying to give back to the community of genealogists. Usually I can't give back to the person who helps me but if I can pass it on, I feel like that works. I am sometimes concerned by the people who are asking for assistance. It seems to me that often they are relatively new to the subject and don't have the proper "manners". I can't think of a better word. So I would like to make these suggestions. The one thing that is probably the most important is politeness. Say thank you and please and be very gracious. Remember you asking a favor. And it takes so little time to reply and say Thanks. But it makes a lot of difference to the volunteer. When you are asking for assistance, be sure to offer to pay for copies and postage. I am willing to give my time, but I shouldn't have to pay money out of my pocket and truthfully, many genealogists can't afford to do so. I think it is really important to stress this. When people ask for things, they need to be realistic. I am on an Obituary Lookup list for the county where I live. Recently I received a request for an obit with just a month and year which they had gotten from the SSDI. Now, I pointed out that we don't have an index and I need a full death date. Otherwise I have to spend 2 or 3 hours pawing through several microfilms. I did however, say that I occasionally go to Orlando where there is a FL death Index and if the person could wait, I would eventually get the full date and be able to get the obit. Now, I think this last offer is above and beyond the call of duty. I thought I was being kind of nice about the whole thing. Lo and behold, I got back a really nasty letter saying if I wasn't going to do lookups, I shouldn't have put my name on the page. I was pretty shocked and insulted. I personally have had a lot more success getting help with honey than with vinegar. Fat chance she will ever get her death date or obit from me. Speaking of honey, I also suggest that you offer to do what you can in return. I maintain a lookup page of my very own which lists some of the materials I own. I also maintain a web site for my local FHC. On this website, there is a list of the permanant material at this FHC. I have had good luck with suggesting to people that I will be happy to do a lookup in any of the above in exchange for what I am asking. I very seldom actually have to do this, but the offer seems to help a lot. So you might list the catalog of a library or gen soc which is within your reach and offer to exchange lookups. Right-- now that I brought it up, the website of my local FHC is http://members.aol.com/junebyr/ch.html If you need something, let me know. I volunteer there every Saturday and will try to get your information. The following items are listed for Indiana which I could do lookups in. USA IN IN Early Land Records See Ref Books on Fiche 6046718 USA IN IN Quaker Records, Heiss See Ref Books on Fiche 6051380-86 USA IN IN Records See Ref Books on Fiche 6051202 USA IN Index to Journal of Hoosier Ancestry Queries 6046609 USA IN Indiana Gazetteer 1849 See Ref Books on Fiche 6051129 USA IN Indiana Marriage Index Vol 1 1960 only 6105310 USA IN Indiana Marriage Index Vol 2 1960 only 6105311 USA IN Indiana Records (Marriage, will, cem, etc) 6049732 USA IN KOS 1866 Census Kosciusko Co, IN 6104706 USA IN KOS 1870 Kosciusko Co, IN Census FILM 0545831 USA IN KOS 1880 Kosciusko Co, IN Census FILM 1254290 USA IN KOS 1899 Pierceton Record-Newspaper Clippings 6104698 USA IN KOS 1900 Kosciusko Co, IN Census FILM 1240382 USA IN KOS Circuit Ct Rec 1836-1843 Kosciusko Co, IN 6099927 USA IN KOS Circuit Ct Rec 1857-1861 Kosciusko Co, IN 6099928 USA IN KOS Newspaper Clippings, Kosciusko Co 1902-33 6050145 USA IN KOS Newspaper Clippings, Kosciusko Co 1929-37 6050146 USA IN KOS Obits, 1985-6 Kosciusko Co, IN 6104693 USA IN KOS WPA Surname Index to Co Hist, Kosciusko Co, IN 6111287 USA IN NOB Cemeteries of Noble Co, OH Vol 4 6049384 USA IN NOB Cemeteries of Noble Co, OH Vol 1-3 6049374-6 June Byrne [email protected]

Kerry, There are a lot of fellow genealogists doing free lookups for others - most of the genweb sites have a page with lookup offers. I have several books I do lookups in for free. You're not stepping into anyone's territory if you want to do lookups for free. That's a big difference between a lookup and doing someone's genealogy for them. I'm always careful to cite the source and page and use quotes when I share something out of one of my books. There aren't any copyright infringements (I don't think) for sharing little snippets. I have, however, told people that a particular book has a lot of info they might be interested in and tell them how to get a copy of it for their own library. Genealogists are the most sharing bunch I've ever seen! Sherry At 10:05 AM 11/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello- > <snip> >I have a question for the discussion lists - Am I suppose to charge >(nominally) for this, or is it acceptable to offer these things for free? I >have no problem doing free lookups generally. If it becomes too much, I >don't do them. I look up my stuff first, then others'. As for the rental >fees, I don't know of any way to ask for people who want lookups for a share >of the cost - it is too small an amount of money for each person. A stamp >would exceed their share! Besides, I wanted to rent the film for my own >purposes anyway, not because anyone requested it of me. I would not of spent >less money, and only perhaps four hours of time less, if no one at all had >requested anything of me. > >However - am I undermining other people who do lookups for a fee as their >"side" or primary business? Should I ask for a share cost of the rental fee >for the films if I do other lookups in them? > >My inclination is to charge nothing, do whatever I have time for, and keep >an "account" of names to email in case I have a lookup favor they can do for >me in return some day in the future. I have no desire to bring money issues >into this hobby of mine. > ><snip> >Thanks. Kerry Butler. [email protected] >

Hi- I am looking for any BERKHEISERS and their relatives. Several Berkheisers moved to Indiana from Pennsylvania in the early 1800s. Other possible names in the early family are Johannes and Elizabeth Beyer and Johannes and Susanna Miller. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Gregory

I don't know what others do but I only charge if it costs me. Photocopies etc. I am like you....how do you charge that many people? I host two counties in Nebraska. Hayes and Hitchcock Counties and I have found a lot of surnames that duplicate from Kosc. County to Nebraska. Would love to have lookups done for my Daniel family and related in the 1870 census. Would help me a lot on childrens names that I haven't gotten to as of yet. Would be glad to help anyone needing lookups in southwest Nebraska where I live. Brenda Daniel Kerry Butler wrote: > Hello- > > I now have the two 1870 Kosciusko Cnty Census films on order. They will > arrive in about three weeks. > > With the 1880 Wabash, Noble and Steuben county census last month, I > performed free look ups for people who emailed me. So far this has amounted > to around fifty heads of households plus the members within the house. > > I used a day of annual leave, over a few weeks, plus paid the loaner fees of > $3.50 each film (around $20 so far), to do this. > > I have a question for the discussion lists - Am I suppose to charge > (nominally) for this, or is it acceptable to offer these things for free? I > have no problem doing free lookups generally. If it becomes too much, I > don't do them. I look up my stuff first, then others'. As for the rental > fees, I don't know of any way to ask for people who want lookups for a share > of the cost - it is too small an amount of money for each person. A stamp > would exceed their share! Besides, I wanted to rent the film for my own > purposes anyway, not because anyone requested it of me. I would not of spent > less money, and only perhaps four hours of time less, if no one at all had > requested anything of me. > > However - am I undermining other people who do lookups for a fee as their > "side" or primary business? Should I ask for a share cost of the rental fee > for the films if I do other lookups in them? > > My inclination is to charge nothing, do whatever I have time for, and keep > an "account" of names to email in case I have a lookup favor they can do for > me in return some day in the future. I have no desire to bring money issues > into this hobby of mine. > > Please chime in with an opinion - I suppose to my private email address > below unless anyone thinks this is a wider discussion list topic - in which > case post to the list. > > Thanks. Kerry Butler. [email protected] > > ==== INKOSCIU Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, address your email to [email protected] (or [email protected] if you receive the digest)

Hi; We will be on vacation from August 30th till September 9th. Please resume e-mailing us after September 9, 1999. Thank you. Hi Everyone; We are now home and ready to get back to genealogy research and e-mailing our family and friends. Hope to hear from you soon. Sally M. Nichols

Hello- I now have the two 1870 Kosciusko Cnty Census films on order. They will arrive in about three weeks. With the 1880 Wabash, Noble and Steuben county census last month, I performed free look ups for people who emailed me. So far this has amounted to around fifty heads of households plus the members within the house. I used a day of annual leave, over a few weeks, plus paid the loaner fees of $3.50 each film (around $20 so far), to do this. I have a question for the discussion lists - Am I suppose to charge (nominally) for this, or is it acceptable to offer these things for free? I have no problem doing free lookups generally. If it becomes too much, I don't do them. I look up my stuff first, then others'. As for the rental fees, I don't know of any way to ask for people who want lookups for a share of the cost - it is too small an amount of money for each person. A stamp would exceed their share! Besides, I wanted to rent the film for my own purposes anyway, not because anyone requested it of me. I would not of spent less money, and only perhaps four hours of time less, if no one at all had requested anything of me. However - am I undermining other people who do lookups for a fee as their "side" or primary business? Should I ask for a share cost of the rental fee for the films if I do other lookups in them? My inclination is to charge nothing, do whatever I have time for, and keep an "account" of names to email in case I have a lookup favor they can do for me in return some day in the future. I have no desire to bring money issues into this hobby of mine. Please chime in with an opinion - I suppose to my private email address below unless anyone thinks this is a wider discussion list topic - in which case post to the list. Thanks. Kerry Butler. [email protected]

I have put three files on the web page this past week. One is an article that Reub Williams wrote about Ambrose Bierce, one is an article about Cora Richer celebrating her 90th birthday and one is the Chicago Daily Tribune article about a visit from some of the Dillinger gang into Kosciusko County. ENJOY! Marge Priser http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~kosco

Primary family name is ECKERT Related names LASH, GATES, Don and Mary in Wyoming

No new bios for Kosciusko Co., Indiana

Those of you who enjoyed Joseph B. Dodge's account of the conflict at Stone's River written for the local newspaper years after the conflict may want to take a look at this web site: http://civilwarhome.com/dodgestonesriveror.htm This is the official report of Col. Joseph B. Dodge taken from WAR OF THE REBELLION OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE UNION AND CONFEDERATE ARMIES Series I, Volume XX/1. This report was issued January 8, 1863 shortly after the battle. Marge Priser http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~kosco

I have added a group of 9 articles titled EARLY SETTLEMENT OF KOSCIUSKO COUNTY, a series published in the NORTHERN INDIANIAN in 1874 and authored by "GREYBEARD" , pen-name for Isaiah Jones Morris. His biographical sketch is on pages 259-260 in BIOGRAPHICAL & HISTORICAL SKETCHES OF KOSCIUSKO COUNTY. His father, John W. Morris was a native of Maryland. J. W. Morris settled in Wooster Ohio and in 1836 moved to Indiana settling near the present site of the City of Warsaw. I. J. Morris was born in Wooster Ohio on January 16, 1822 and was nearly fifteen years old when his parents came to this county. He married Miss Rachel P. Barnes and they had 4 children: Benton Q. Morris, (soldier in C. W.); George W. Morris who eventually moved to Ellsworth Kansas, Charles Fremont Morris and Mary E. Morris, wife of Professor O. B. Clark of the State University in Bloomington. ENJOY! Marge Priser http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~kosco

June, I had no trouble with it this morning. Most of my computer time is between 5:30 to 9:00 A.M. so there is not mucu traffic. Keep trying. Kay [email protected] wrote: > Dear karen, > > I can't get this to work. I guess I could search around but also wish there > was one for other countries, esp France and Germany. > > June > > ==== INKOSCIU Mailing List ==== > Kosciusko Co, IN USGenWeb site http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/kosco.htm

Maybe this source will be of help to someone. I would like to find a similar URL for emigrants from France or Belgium. Anybody know of one? Karen >From Ancestry Daily News Nov. 16, 1999 Editor's Note: The Danish Emigration Archives are searchable online at: http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc13656/uk/home2.htm

Dear karen, I can't get this to work. I guess I could search around but also wish there was one for other countries, esp France and Germany. June

This is really very nice of you to do a "follow-up" message letting us all know that someone helped you with the request. Often times I wonder whether or not the person got a response. I didn't have anything to offer, but I wondered if others did. THANKS for letting persons on the list know that others had helped Marge Priser ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:22 PM Subject: [INKOSCIU] Culver family | I recently asked for help on my Culver family line. I am grateful for the | help and input especially from Shirley Webb, Philip Ritter and Sharon | Bagwell. Thank you, Craig and Mary Culver | | | ==== INKOSCIU Mailing List ==== | Kosciusko Co, IN USGenWeb site http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/kosco.htm | | | | | |