Travis...on the Jay County Web page there is a section for volunteer look ups, including 1870 census look-ups. Check there...and email Lorraine! Good luck! Amy Campbell Jay County Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Travis LeMaster [SMTP:moetrav@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 9:50 AM To: INJAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 1870 Census Lookup Request==Metzner Family Hello. Does anyone have access to the 1870 Census of Jay Co., IN? If so, could you see if you can find the family of John & Clara METZNER? They should be in Wayne Twp. Thanks Travis LeMaster ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Hello. Does anyone have access to the 1870 Census of Jay Co., IN? If so, could you see if you can find the family of John & Clara METZNER? They should be in Wayne Twp. Thanks Travis LeMaster ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

To all those interested in the pioneer cmemteries: >Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:43:19 -0800 (PST) >From: "Lois Mauk" <lawofficeinformationsystem@worldnet.att.net> >Old-To: "INPCRP" <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:55:42 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Subject: [INPCRP-L] New Summary of HB 1522 >Resent-Message-ID: <"P2cwPB.A.wOD.HL3z2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/626 >X-Loop: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: INPCRP-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-UIDL: cc64aea896bbf9ec431733fab54a2b3d > >The following is the newly revised official summary of House Bill 1522: > > DIGEST OF HB 1522 (Updated February 15, 1999 7:36 pm - DI 02) > > Cemetery preservation. Provides various measures to preserve > cemeteries. Requires a person who lawfully removes a grave > memorial to file with the county recorder certain information > pertaining to the grave memorial. Provides that a person may > not buy or sell certain items that have been removed from > a cemetery. Provides that a grave memorial installed after > January 1, 2000, must contain the name of the cemetery > where it is installed. Provides that a person who disturbs the > earth for agricultural purposes is not exempt from committing > cemetery mischief. Provides that cemetery mischief includes > disturbing, defacing, or damaging certain cemetery items. > Prohibits a person from recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally > damaging personal property contained in a structure or located > at a cemetery or a facility used for memorializing the dead. > Provides penalties for violations of cemetery preservation laws. > >This new summary was drafted after the original HB 1522 was substantially >revised following hearings on the topic of cemetery protection and >preservation on 2/8/99 and 2/15/99. > >The status and full text of HB 1522 is available on-line at: > >http://www.state.in.us/cgi-bin/legislative/bills/completeBillInfo.perl?billn >um=1522 > >As I've said before, this Bill is not the answer to ALL our concerns; it is, >however, a remarkable first step and I intend to do everything in my power >to persuade the members of the General Assembly to pass this Bill into law. >There are some really innovative provisions to this Bill and I hope you will >join me in supporting it. > >Lois >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > >Join the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp >Visit the Clark County Cemeteries page: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881 >Next CCCPC meeting: 2 PM, Saturday, March 6 at Charlestown Library > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > >

>To all those interested in the pioneer cemeteries: > >>Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:43:47 -0800 (PST) >>From: "Lois Mauk" <lawofficeinformationsystem@worldnet.att.net> >>Old-To: "INPCRP" <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:56:08 -0500 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>Subject: [INPCRP-L] New Summary of SB 280 >>Resent-Message-ID: <"8AjkH.A.NUD.hL3z2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Resent-From: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>X-Mailing-List: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/627 >>X-Loop: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Precedence: list >>Resent-Sender: INPCRP-L-request@rootsweb.com >>X-UIDL: fb2ae98a96a66878b80250d632fc99f3 >> >>The following is the revised draft of Senate Bill 280, the Bill establishing >>the procedure for lawfully moving a grave or cemetery: >> >> DIGEST OF SB280 (Updated February 2, 1999 5:33 pm - DI 84) >> >> Protecting old cemeteries from desecration. Requires that the >> person effecting disinterment, removal, and reinterment of a grave >> give 60 days written notice to the decedent's next of kin and >> publish the notice in a newspaper of general circulation. Requires >> the person effecting the removal of graves to file a certificate of >> removal facts with the county recorder in the county from which >> the graves were removed and the county in which reinterment is >> made. Requires that the certificate of removal facts list >> information contained on the gravestone or other markers, such >> as the birth date, death date, and family name. Requires that >> all expenses associated with the disinterment, removal, >> acquisition of the new burial site, and reinterment be paid by >> the person effecting the disinterment, removal, acquisition, >> and reinterment. Requires the person effecting the disinterment, >> removal, and reinterment to ensure that the site for reinterment >> is suitable and reasonably accessible to relatives of the >> decedent. Requires that disinterment, removal, and >> reinterment be performed under the supervision and direction >> of the county executive or the county executive's designee. >> Requires that due care be taken to furnish suitable coffins or >> boxes for reinterring human remains and to remove, protect, >> and replace [MEANING "REINSTALL"] all gravestones or >> other markers. Exempts a church, a religious institution, >> or a religious society from the act. >> >>The status and full text of this Bill is available at: >>http://www.state.in.us/cgi-bin/legislative/bills/completeBillInfo.perl?billn >>um=0280 >> >>This Bill has passed through the Senate and has been referred to the House >>of Representatives. >> >>Although I object to ANY cemetery or grave being moved, we all know it is >>inevitable. Better to have a process "cast in stone" as to the >>responsibilities of the party effecting such a move than to continue to >>allow them to do with the remains and stones as they wish. >> >>Like HB 1522, there are some genuinely innovative provisions of this Bill >>and I intend to do whatever is within my power to see that our General >>Assembly knows my opinion that this Bill should be passed into law. >> >>Lois >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Join the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp >>Visit the Clark County Cemeteries page: >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881 >>Next CCCPC meeting: 2 PM, Saturday, March 6 at Charlestown Library >> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- >> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families >>are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is >>undisguised. This is a cemetery. >> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, >>historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. >> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved >>in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - >>not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family >>memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. >> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of >>yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery >>exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." >> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA >> >> >> >

>To those interested in the Pioneer Cememteries: > >>Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:44:21 -0800 (PST) >>From: "Lois Mauk" <lawofficeinformationsystem@worldnet.att.net> >>Old-To: "INPCRP" <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:56:42 -0500 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>Subject: [INPCRP-L] New Summary of HB 1226 >>Resent-Message-ID: <"7bpqtD.A.UsD.EM3z2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Resent-From: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>X-Mailing-List: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/628 >>X-Loop: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Precedence: list >>Resent-Sender: INPCRP-L-request@rootsweb.com >>X-UIDL: 429b2851e439ddea49ee5602990ece26 >> >>The following is the latest summary of House Bill 1226, the bill that will >>create a pioneer cemetery fund and special automobile license plates to >>generate funding for that fund. >> >> DIGEST OF HB1226 (Updated February 15, 1999 6:50 pm - DI 2) >> >> Pioneer cemetery fund and environmental license plates. Creates >> the pioneer cemeteries maintenance and restoration fund to be >> administered by the Indiana historical bureau. Permits a county >> cemetery association to apply for a grant from the pioneer >> cemeteries maintenance and restoration fund. Creates a second >> environmental license plate. Requires the auditor of state to >> deposit money raised from the sale of the plate in the pioneer >> cemeteries maintenance and restoration fund. >> >>The current status and full text of this Bill is available at: >>http://www.state.in.us/legislative/bills/1999/DGSTP/HB1226.DIG.html >> >>While I don't believe this Bill will generate enormous sums of money for >>cemetery preservation, I do believe it can go a long way in increasing >>public awareness of the situation and, the monies it does raise are >>desperately needed throughout the State. >> >>I hope you'll join me in supporting the passage of HB 1226. >> >>Lois >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Join the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp >>Visit the Clark County Cemeteries page: >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881 >>Next CCCPC meeting: 2 PM, Saturday, March 6 at Charlestown Library >> >> >> >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." >> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) >> >> >> >

my husband's ancestor was a George HARTER born in 1791 either in MD or PA. His wife was Sarah. They lived in Fairfield Co OH. However, George left land located in Jay Co IN to his descendants, so, I am hopeful that there is a Jay Co connection for this HARTER family. If anyone has any information on HARTERS in Jay Co -- I would greatly appreciate hearing from you! Thanks Linda in TX

>Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:03:46 -0800 (PST) >From: "Lois Mauk" <lawofficeinformationsystem@worldnet.att.net> >Old-To: "INPCRP" <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com>, > "John Ragle" <jlr@chemserv.chem.umass.edu> >Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:20:02 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Subject: [INPCRP-L] Re: Hearings on Cemetery Bills >Resent-Message-ID: <"5QlrqD.A.g5.xeQx2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/591 >X-Loop: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: INPCRP-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-UIDL: dc74195ccb58eaf861faa4ea8defa480 > >Dr. John Ragle has given me permission to post this message to the INPCRP >group. > >From: John Ragle <jlr@chemserv.chem.umass.edu> > > >I am not a member of the INPCRP group. You may, of course, forward this >letter. > >In this regard, I have been somewhat active on this matter previously. I >wrote a letter to the Indiana Governor's Office about a year ago, and also >responded to an article in the Indianapolis Star (?I am not sure this is the >right name) about an incident in which remains had been removed by some >forensic arm of the Indiana Government and a cemetery itself had been >blacktopped. > >As I indicated in my first note to you, my concern has been somewhat >heightened by personal experience. My 2nd greatgrandparents were among the >original settlers of Raglesville (Peter Ragle and Margaret Wadsworth Ragle) >when it was platted in 1835 by Ozias Crooke. Ragles of various flavors were >active in this area for many years. I visited the Raglesville cemetery once >in about 1965 and again in 1996. I was aghast at the changes which had >occured . . . willful destruction of headstones (including those of some of >my family), and general lack of maintenance. I phoned all over southern >Indiana trying to locate the actual holders of the deed to this property, >including Ron Beasley who is the local caretaker in Raglesville, and never >found anyone who would admit to ownership. > >Mr. Beasley has a plot plan of the old cemetery. My immediate family has a >family plot in the old section, and I was looking for permission to mount a >small stainless steel plaque or something similar, so that the identities of >these people would not be lost, as they surely will be in another few >decades. Members of my family were co-owners of the first general store, as >well as the first postmaster, and were also very active in bringing the >Methodist Church to the area. The original DePauw Chapel, later moved to >Burns City, was built on land donated by my greatgrandfather and his younger >brother. > >I don't have any photographs which show 'before and after.' All the photos >I have are of individual headstones, taken in 1996. Sorry. I asked Ron >Beasley what had happened to the 'tipped' monuments, and he said that he >just carried them out and piled them in back of the maintenance shed. > >Rather than making an issue of a particular cemetery, I would prefer to >laud the efforts of people like those at the Crane, who took the time to >collect and print listings of the 30-odd old cemeteries inside the >reservation. > >In this modern day, it would be a useful task for someone to walk into the >old cemeteries carrying a GPS receiver. A GPS receiver can pinpoint the >location to within 100 feet or so, for recording purposes. > >In poking around the Elnora/Odon/Raglesville area, we found several >grown-over cemeteries in which the markers are made from the local >limestone and are suffering the effects of acid rain. Although these are >not in danger of being plowed up or paved over, they too will vanish. > >The question is, "how to find and identify these crypto-cemeteries?" There >is no substitute for local involvement...we found that the locals, >especially the oldsters, were quite knowledgeable. But also, people who >have moved away may have knowledge of a family plot. For example, I know of >a Sims family plot in the Odon area which is deep in the woods and >inaccessible except by bushwhacking. The exact location is known to the >descendents of Starlin Sims, a 'country squire' of the Raglesville area in >the years just post-civil war. The counties nowadays have many people who >are formally involved in the general genealogy of the areas, through web >sites, etc. and these people are reachable through email and through the >list servers as well as their web sites. > >Although I reside in Masschusetts, I am concerned about Indiana's pioneer >cemeteries in general, and particularly about the old half of the cemetery >in Raglesville, just south of Odon, in which a number of my ancestors are >interred. Here the problem arises from the fact that the original community >has been displaced almost entirely by a Mennonite community, and they wish >to 'recycle' the old cemetery because they are running out of space. So, >while this is indirectly a result of farming pressure [not wanting to take >land out of service] it is more a matter of "who cares? these people's >descendents have long moved on." > >I believe it is generally 'indifference' rather than 'greed' which motivates >the destruction of pioneer cemeteries. In that case, responses to proposals >to destroy an old cemetery should be sought assiduously from those directly >concerned, with secondary support from state law. Such law could: > >(a) mandate a substantial effort be made to contact descendents, >(b) propose a concrete way to record the information and layout of the >cemetery, and >(c) mandate proper 'archiving' of headstones and remains in a dignified way. > >Such a law would have to carefully define 'substantial effort,' 'concrete >methods of recording,' and 'proper archiving.' > >I would personally be satisfied if the graves from the cemetery mentioned >above were recorded on a permanent plinth or historical marker at the site, >and if a high-quality photographic record of headstones were made, with >exact site description, and provided to concerned descendents and family >archivists. The plot of turf itself is not particularly an issue in my mind. > >I would comment further that amateur cemetery listings exist for many old >plots. Some of these are of excellent quality, e.g. those provided by the >Crane Naval Weapons Depot in Burns City. Others are of poorer quality, taken >by boy scouts or by individuals and held as typewritten sheets in local >libraries. Some considerable field work remains to be done. I know from >personal experience that the cemetery listings for Raglesville held in the >Carnegie Library in Washington, IN contain factual errors. > >The first stage in this project is, therefore, to locate and identify old >cemeteries and to walk the sites carefully and inventory them. The law >should mandate accomplishment of this task by imposing a freeze [with severe >penalties] on destruction of such sites for a reasonable time interval. Much >of this work already exists in various stages of completion, but all should >be reviewed. It should start from 'the grass roots' at the township level, >and funnel into the counties. > >I have a modest genealogy site for the Ragle family mounted at >http://jlragle.chem.umass.edu/index.htm >which includes the [unfinished] text of a family history, as well as a >hypertext family tree for about 4,000 family members. > >Dr. J. L. Ragle ><jlr@chemserv.chem.umass.edu> > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > > >

>Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:04:11 -0800 (PST) >From: "Lois Mauk" <lawofficeinformationsystem@worldnet.att.net> >Old-To: "INPCRP" <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:13:02 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Subject: [INPCRP-L] My Worst Fears Have Been Confirmed >Resent-Message-ID: <"PvrirD.A.RBB.IfQx2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/592 >X-Loop: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: INPCRP-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-UIDL: c6cb2eb6963f37d308fb78f8f714db9c > >I talked with someone this afternoon who confirmed my worst fears about the >legislation pending before the 1999 General Assembly. It seems our esteemed >Legislators think we are idiots! > >Admittedly, they are establishing some good standards for those situations >where moving a grave or graves is the lesser of two evils -- allow the site >to be abandoned, neglected, abused and obliterated OR move it. In such a >situation, I can begrudingly accept the second option. Many of us are of >the opinion that a grave should NEVER be moved, rather it should be >preserved where it sits. Naturally that is ALWAYS preferable, without >question, but I don't know if it is possible in this day and age. > >HOWEVER, something I have not said much about out loud is the fact that the >proposed legislation (specifically the much-touted HB 1522 ["Cemetery >preservation"]) STILL GIVES ANYONE INVOLVED IN ANY FORM OF AGRICULTURE OR >SURFACE COAL MINING EXEMPTION FROM THESE REQUIREMENTS!!!! > >That was my impression based on my repeated readings of the statutes, but I >did not trust my own judgment. Apparently I was correct. > >I want to know by what right the State deems it "appropriate" for ANYONE to >plow, cultivate, pasture, graze or blacktop a cemetery. > >They are giving us a bunch of lipservice, telling us privately how outraged >they are that these abominations are happening on a regular basis and, >almost in the same breath, winking at the big-money farming and mining >lobbies, as if to say, "We'll give them a little something and they'll shut >up. Don't worry! You'll still have the RIGHT to destroy cemeteries if they >are a nuisance for you." > >I distinctly remember, either at the Senate hearings on 1/27/99 or the >abbreviated House hearing on 2/8/99, one of the bill sponsors standing at >the podium rattling off the list of affected entities and saying something >to the effect of, "I can't imagine any individual or entity not covered >under this bill." > >Quote from HB 1522: > "SECTION 2. IC 35-43-1-2.1 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA > CODE AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS > [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 1999]: Sec. 2.1. (a) This section > does not apply to a person who acts in a proper and > acceptable manner as authorized by IC 14-21 or IC 23-14." > >The same exemption is in HB 1588 (the mirror of SB 280). > >Indiana Code 14-21 is the DIVISION OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ARCHEOLOGY >statute. It states at Chapter 1, Sec. 24. (a): > > (a) As used in this section, "agricultural purpose" includes > farming, dairying, pasturage, agriculture, horticulture, > floriculture, viticulture, ornamental horticulture, > olericulture, pomiculture, animal husbandry, and poultry > husbandry. > > NOTE FROM LOIS: "Pasturage" is using land to graze > horses, cows, etc. "Horticulture" is the cultivation of > gardens or orchards. "Floriculture" is the cultivation of > flowering plants. "Viticulture" is the cultivation of the > vine; grape growing. "Olericulture" is the cultivation of > vegetables and herbs. "Pomiculture" is the cultivation > of fruit. > > (b) Sections 25, 26, 28, and 29 of this chapter do not apply > to the following: > (1) Surface coal mining regulated under IC 14-34. > (2) Cemeteries and human remains subject to IC 23-14. > (3) Disturbing the earth for an agricultural purpose. > (4) Collecting any object other than human remains that > is visible in whole or in part on the surface of the ground, > regardless of the time the object was made or shaped. > >As I read this, it means that if I am involved in any form of agriculture or >surface coal mining and I have a piece of property in the State of Indiana >with a cemetery on it, I have the "RIGHT" as a property owner to destroy all >visible evidence of said burial site through either active or passive means. > >By "active", I mean bulldozing it, plowing it, etc. By "passive", I mean >running cattle, horses or pigs in it; turning it into a feed lot or pig sty. >By either means, the all evidence of the cemetery is quickly and >irretrievably destroyed. The impediment to development (meaning the >graveyard) is then "gone" and the property is now "ripe for development". >Viola! > >Think through this scenario: > >I own a piece of property. There is an old cemetery on it. I plant a >philodendron in the middle of the cemetery and call it "ornamental >horticulture" or I bury a grape and call it a vineyard or I turn cattle lose >in it and call it pasturage. By the clear and simple language of the >existing statute AS WELL AS the proposed legislation, the cemetery is >DESTROYED. > >But, as 8-year-old Ashley explained to us, "It's okay. The property owner >was paying taxes on the property." > >GIVE ME A BREAK! Just how stupid do they think we are?! > >Then, let us consider the exemption from HB 1522 by the reference to IC >23-14. That is the "Cemetery statutes", which includes the "Care of >Cemeteries by Townships" and "Care of Cemeteries by Counties" provisions. > >(A) In its last session, the General Assembly added the infamous sentence >to IC 23-14-68 ("Care of Cemeteries by Township"): > > "This chapter does not apply to a cemetery located on > land on which property taxes are assessed and paid > under IC 6-1.1-4." > >Translation: The Township Trustee cannot lift a FINGER or spend a DIME if >the cemetery is on PRIVATE PROPERTY. > >(B) The County Cemeteries Commissions are, by and large, a huge JOKE on >the citizens of Indiana. I admit there are a FEW notable exceptions, but >you can count those on the fingers on one hand! We have 92 counties. The >rest of the counties either do not HAVE County Cemetery Commissions or the >County Councils have flatly refused to fund them. (I do not mean to >belittle the efforts of ANY of the County Cemetery Commissions. My point >simply is that the Counties, >by and large, refuse to FUND them. Again, they created the statute to >appease the public, but the statute carries no weight.) > >I just called my boss and told him, "I'm sorry, Bill. I know I've missed >two days of work in the last three weeks on this thing, but I have no >choice. I HAVE TO GO BACK TO INDIANAPOLIS AGAIN ON MONDAY!" > >I'm sorry, but I am just LIVID about this. I thought for sure that I just >misunderstood this language. I thought for sure we could trust the >Legislators when they talked to the press about what an abomination this >situation had become. I thought for sure we could trust them when they >reacted so favorably to little Ashley's speech. I guess I was wrong! > >I'll see you in Indianapolis at the State Capitol at 4:00 P.M. on Monday, >February 15, at the House Chambers on the Third Floor. I'll be the one with >steam coming out of her ears and fire out of her eyes. > >Lois > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > > >

>Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:10:43 -0800 (PST) >From: "Lois Mauk" <lawofficeinformationsystem@worldnet.att.net> >Old-To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:09:39 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Subject: [INPCRP-L] Indiana Counties not included in the INPCRP "Hall of Shame" >Resent-Message-ID: <"pupky.A.RCE.Pf7w2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/587 >X-Loop: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: INPCRP-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-UIDL: b0c2a8cf5638712d6ac35663579efc9e > >Since we have quite a few new members of this group, I thought I'd post the >following list of Indiana counties for which NO abandoned, neglected, >obliterated or otherwise abused pioneer cemeteries have as yet been >reported. Perhaps there are no neglected cemeteries in these counties. If >that's true, I'd love to hear more about it. However, I suspect the truth >is simply that we haven't heard from anyone who has knowledge about such >cases in these counties. > >If you have information (and especially photographs) of abandoned, >neglected, abused or obliterated pioneer cemeteries in any of these >counties, please contact me with the site name, its county, its location and >a description of the problem. Photographs can be e-mailed to me as >attachments at the above address or LoisMauk@usa.net. > >Thanks. > >BARTHOLOMEW >BENTON >BLACKFORD >CLAY >DELAWARE >FULTON >GREENE >HAMILTON >JASPER >JAY >JENNINGS >JOHNSON >KNOX >KOSCIUSKO >LAGRANGE >LaPORTE >MARTIN >NEWTON >NOBLE >OHIO >ORANGE >PERRY >PORTER >POSEY >PULASKI >RIPLEY >SCOTT >SPENCER >ST JOSEPH >STARKE >STEUBEN >SULLIVAN >TIPTON >UNION >VANDERBURGH >WARREN >WARRICK >WASHINGTON >WHITE >WHITLEY > >See the INPCRP Hall of Shame at http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Please do not send querries through this list. > > >

>Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:48:28 -0800 (PST) >From: "Lois Mauk" <lawofficeinformationsystem@worldnet.att.net> >Old-To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [INPCRP-L] Hearings on the 15th >Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:52:31 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: High >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Resent-Message-ID: <"qIsphB.A.uhB.bjiw2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/572 >X-Loop: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: INPCRP-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-UIDL: 8ed78a3fda15a0c81607e37c69c57e90 > >John and Others: > >I have intentionally held off on saying anything about the Indiana State >House of Representatives' Committee on Agriculture, Natural Resources and >Rural Development's tentatively scheduled hearings on Monday afternoon, >February 15th, because it has not yet been confirmed. > >Because the prior session of the House this past Monday ran so long and >resulted in us having only an abbreviated opportunity to testify before the >Committee and no "specific" testimony being given with regard to any of the >pending bills, Rep. Markt Lytle said Monday night that they would try to >have more hearings on Monday, February 15. > >HOWEVER, I talked today with the staff in the office of Legislative >Assistant Trevor Vance (aid to Rep. Lytle, Rep. Bottorff and several >others). The meeting, as of mid-day on Wednesday, 2/10/99, still had not >been confirmed. Allegedly, during the session late this afternoon, they >were going to decide when and exactly where additional hearings could be >held, hopefully on the 15th. > >Now you know as much as I do. Perhaps tomorrow we'll be able to get >confirmation on this hearing date, time and place. > >In the meantime, I hope all of you who live in or near the Indianapolis area >will try to make the sacrifice of spending your afternoon at the Capitol so >that you can all testify about the pending bills and your opinions. It's >quite an experience. (Wear comfortable shoes!) > >I think the next hearing (presumably on 2/15/99) will be when all of the >big-money lobbyists, DNR representatives, opponents of the bills, etc. will >be speaking. [You'll recall there were no opposition voices heard Monday >night.] I cannot emphasize enough the vast importance of those of us who >wish to protect these sites showing up for this hearing! This is, once >again, where the rubber meets the road. > >We've raised a stink, some of us got to say our piece, now they're going to >pull out the big guns (hopefully when none of us are there) to shoot this >thing to pieces. > >Those of you who were at the Senate hearings a couple of weeks ago and again >on Monday saw how the Legislators automatically gravitate to the "experts". >While the Legislators are or appear to be extremely sympathetic to our >pleas, it is IMPERATIVE that we have as many people present at the next set >of hearings as humanly possible. We've got to keep the pressure on. > >Once again, if you haven't already written to your Legislators and, >especially, the members of the Agriculture, Natural Resources and Rural >Development Committee (who hold the very life of these bills in their >hands), please do so today. Contact information is available on the INPCRP >website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pendinglegislation.html. > >Thanks. > >Lois > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > > >

> > >Had a brainstorm this afternoon. Threw together a new page for the INPCRP website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/ > >Take a look at the new opening page, click on "Pioneer Cemeteries In the News" and let me know what you think. > >I know there are a LOT of examples not listed here. Most of these came off the top of my head and from the Hall of Shame links. > >All of you that have reported seeing the AP version of Bill Shaw's articles in your local paper, please drop me a line at LoisMauk@usa.net so I can add those to the list. > >Also, if any of you are aware of cemetery preservation articles (relating to INDIANA sites) that have run in local papers in the last couple of years (whether they are on-line or not), please let me know the following: > DATE OF PUBLICATION > NAME OF PUBLICATION OR MEDIA > WRITER/REPORTER'S NAME > NAME OF STORY OR ESSENTIAL COMMENTS (just a few > identifying words) > >Thanks. > >Lois > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > > >

>It's happening all over; have you seen this information? > Sunday night a band of vandals invaded 190-yr-old Mt. Olivet cemetery in >>>Washington DC, where a lot of our RC ancestors are buried. They did >>>about $100,000 worth of damage -- pushing over and breaking monuments in >>>a large swath of destruction. >>> >>>You can find the article on the Washington Post's Web site at: >>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/09/151l-020999-idx.html >>> >>>Some kind soul also added this URL and a request for donations to the >>>rootsweb Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/district.html >>> >>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:53:22 -0500 >>>From: Debi <Steamdog@email.msn.com> >>>To: WashingtonDC-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: [WashingtonDC-L] Mt. Olivet - Spoke to them >>> >>>HI: >>> >>>I called the cemetery this morning. Right now they already have over 200 >>>requests for information. The gentleman I spoke to stated that it really is >>>a bad, bad, situation. They need donations. >>> >>>If you want information about your ancestors, he said please write a letter, >>>stating the name of the deceased and the approximate death date and the lot >>>and section numbers if you have them. They are hoping to respond within 48 >>>hours. Please put his name on the request. >>> >>>Mr. M. Warren >>>Mt. Olivet Cemetery >>>1300 Bladensburg Rd., N.E. >>>Washington, D.C. 20002 >>> >>>He was very interested in helping everyone out. Some of the stones are >>>gone, some are so badly ruined they cannot read the names, and he said this >>>is the only real way to find out. I would suggest not calling as they seem >>>very overwhelmed. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >

The big day.Please read > >We left Jeffersonville about 10:30 Monday morning and drove to Indianapolis. >I wanted to be there earlier than the "appointed" starting time of 2:30 P.M. >as I feared the general meeting of the House might end earlier than expected >and that the hearings would be over with before we could get there. SILLY >ME!!! > >We arrived at about 1:15 P.M. FOUR AND A HALF HOURS LATER, we went into the >House Chambers (about 5:45). > >I must admit that, other than the endless standing on those hard marble >floors, I really enjoyed the fellowship with so many people who share my >concerns and interests. In all we had about 15 good-spirited, >long-suffering people who waited it out with us. But it was WORTH IT! > >Our SECRET WEAPON worked BEAUTIFULLY. My friend Donnie Loweth (whose family >cemetery here in Clark County was blacktopped and turned into a parking >lot -- graves notwithstanding) took his beautiful 8-year-old daughter Ashley >out of school for the day and we brought her with us to the Capitol. > >When the hearing began, because of the lateness of the hour, Rep. Markt >Lytle thanks us several times for our fortitude and explained that, rather >than receiving comments on individual pending bills, the Committee would >hear brief testimony from anyone wishing to speak about the situation in >general. > >I got up and did my little song-and-dance. Then Rep. Lytle called Ashley. >Though she was conspicuous as the only child present, I think all of them >were a bit stunned when she got up to speak. Ashley approached the >microphone and, in a very clear, calm voice, said: > >"Good evening! It makes me very happy and proud to speak before you today, >but it also saddens me for the reason that I am here. > >"My name is Ashley Loweth. I'm 8 years old and I'm in the third grade. > >"The reason I am here today is, we write laws every day to protect ourselves >and our rights. That is great. But what about after we leave this world? > >"I am a descendant of the Nathan Hale you may have read about in your >history books. I have three generations of great-grandparents buried in a >little lonely cemetery in Clarksville, Indiana. What is sad about this is >that three-fourths of the cemetery is now under blacktop and the law says, >'This is okay. As long as the property owner is paying taxes, they can do >what they want.' > >"I don't understand all the laws, but I really don't understand how this one >got passed. > >"How would you feel if your Grandma took you to put flowers on your >great-grandparents' grave and you were told, 'There they lay, under that >blacktop!' > >"Well, I know that feeling and it hurts! Not only blacktop, but there are >two pay phones and a utility pole with guide wires going into a grave. >That's not all. They even have an EPA monitoring device in the middle to >monitor the ground for their gas pumps." > >"I am asking you to please change this law for some day I will want to take >my children to this very same lonely little cemetery and be able to say, >'This is where we came from. This is our roots! > >"Thank you." > >Little Ashley received a standing ovation. I don't believe there was a dry >eye in the house. She left the Representatives speakless. Rep. Lytle >jokingly asked, "Does anyone on the committee have any tough questions for >Ashley?" Of course, there was nothing they could say. She'd said it all. > >The rest of us had our opportunity to speak and I'm very proud of each and >every one of you who toughed it out with us. I don't believe, however, that >there's much question that little Ashley stole the show and the rest of us >were just there to lend our support to her plea. > >Good night. I'm going to bed! It's not midnight yet and my body will >probably go into shock if I get more than 4 hours sleep, but I'm willing to >risk it at this juncture! > >Lois > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Please do not send querries through this list. > > >

MORE on the cemetery problems. > >Several members of the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project >(INPCRP) appeared Wednesday afternoon (1/27/99) to testify before the Senate >Committee on Governmental and Regulatory Affairs, which was discussing two >cemetery bills (SB 178 and 280). > >There will be a hearing before the House of Representatives' Committee on >Agriculture, Natural Resources and Rural Development on: > Monday, February 1, 1999 at 3:30 P.M. > in the House Chambers > (third floor of the State House; east side) > >Additional seating is available in the gallery, accessible from the fourth >floor. > >The House is considering SIX very important cemetery bills, the details of >which and links to the various sponsoring legislators and the full text of >the bills can be found on the INPCRP website under "Pending Legislation" at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp > >If ANY of you are in the Indianapolis area or can be in Indianapolis on >Monday afternoon, we would dearly love for you to join us there. Since the >meeting will be in the House Chambers, they should be able to accommodate a >large turnout. (There were about 40 people crammed into the Committee room >on Wednesday, though a number of them were present regarding other bills.) > >This is a unique opportunity to see our goverment in action and a chance for >our voices to be heard by the men and women who make our laws. > >In my honest opinion, I don't think the Legislators are getting the big >picture here. I don't think they are in touch with the desperate reality of >this situation and it's only by showing up in numbers that they are going to >realize that large numbers of potential voters are watching what happens in >the State House this year. > >Indiana's pioneer family cemeteries (which by some estimates account for 75 >to 90 percent or more of all the burial grounds in the state) have little or >no laws to protect them. Property owners are permitted to abuse, neglect >and obliterate these sites pretty much with abandon. There is only minimal >enforcement of the laws that DO exist. > >Most of the proposed bills will have impact only on cemeteries on "public" >property -- sites owned or controlled by the state, the counties, the >townships and the cities and towns. One bill (HB 1522) will govern how and >under what circumstances our ancestors and predecessors' remains will be >disinterred and reinterred when the real estate upon which they are buried >becomes "ripe for development". > >The real estate developers in this state consider pioneer cemeteries an >impediment and an encumbrance. I can guarantee you that, in years to come, >you will at some point learn that a cemetery to which you feel some bond >will be subject to relocation. How that takes place and what happens to >those human remains, if it must happen, is of tremendous importance to >family historians, genealogists and right-thinking people everywhere. > >Today, if a property owner wants to move a known cemetery on his/her >property or if human remains are found in an unknown cemetery is found >during construction, there is almost a 100% chance that those remains will >be excavated and then warehoused in a university archeology laboratory where >they will be housed INDEFINITELY for "archeological research". > >It's happened on three occasions in the past two years that we know of >today. We're sure it's happened more often that that, but these things are >usually kept hush-hush because they don't want to "offend our >sensibilities". The 35 children and 8 adults that were exhumed two years >ago in Indianapolis to make way for the construction of a warehouse are >STILL on deposit in a laboratory in Indianapolis and there is apparently no >timetable for their reinterment. It happened last summer in Dubois County >and it happened again last December in Shelby County. > >Read the bills yourself. They are all linked from the INPCRP Pending >Legislation pages. Make up your own minds about them. Contact your >legislators and tell them your opinion. Come to the hearing on Monday in >Indianapolis if you can and stand up and tell your Representatives' what you >know and what you believe about the desperate state of the vast majority of >Indiana's pioneer cemeteries. > >Lois Mauk >INPCRP State Coordinator > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > >

I'm rather backing up and sending this information in reverse. the following is a letter about the pioneer cemetries in Indiana. More will follow. READ and be AWARE of what is happening to our forefathers and foremothers graves. >Several milestones were met today (1/23/99): > >(1) We now have ONE HUNDRED members of the INPCRP e-mail discussion group. > >(2) We have received a total of SIX HUNDRED AND FOUR petition signatures >urging the Indiana General Assembly to act decisively to protect our >endangered pioneer cemeteries. I am advised that more are on the way and >that's super! > >(3) We now have ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR examples of cemetery neglect, abuse and >endangerment in our INPCRP "Hall of Shame". If you haven't visited it or >haven't visited in the last week or so, I urge you to do so. There are >still a number of counties for which we do not have examples of cemetery >that have been neglected, abused and abandoned. If you know of any that are >not on the list, please let us know. > >I am SOOOOO proud of all of you who have participated in this effort. Thank >you, thank you, thank you! > >If you are still holding on to petitions, I urge you to send them in right >away. As of this writing, to our knowledge, none of the seven "cemetery >preservation" bills presently pending before the 1999 General Assembly are >presently scheduled for Committee hearings. Once we are granted permission >to appear before the respective Committees, we will high-tail it to >Indianapolis and it's important that we have as many petition signatures in >our hands as possible when we make that appearance. I don't expect we'll >get more than one shot. > >Again, thank you to all of you who have participated by signing petitions or >giving us information about shameful examples of cemetery abandonment, >neglect and abuse in the State of Indiana. > >Further information is available on the INPCRP website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp > >Lois Mauk >INPCRP State Coordinator >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Have you signed an Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project >PETITION TO THE INDIANA LEGISLATURE calling for revision of current >state laws regarding protection and maintenance of pioneer cemeteries? > See http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Remember to give us your project updates at monthly Roll-Call! > > >

>Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:39:39 -0800 (PST) >From: "Lois Mauk" <lawofficeinformationsystem@worldnet.att.net> >Old-To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:51:15 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: High >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Subject: [INPCRP-L] Lois' Report on 2/8/99 House Hearings >Resent-Message-ID: <"_dQJuB.A.tS.Kw7v2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/541 >X-Loop: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: INPCRP-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-UIDL: 4523f10ffbe4c536942398d4263651b1 > >We left Jeffersonville about 10:30 Monday morning and drove to Indianapolis. >I wanted to be there earlier than the "appointed" starting time of 2:30 P.M. >as I feared the general meeting of the House might end earlier than expected >and that the hearings would be over with before we could get there. SILLY >ME!!! > >We arrived at about 1:15 P.M. FOUR AND A HALF HOURS LATER, we went into the >House Chambers (about 5:45). > >I must admit that, other than the endless standing on those hard marble >floors, I really enjoyed the fellowship with so many people who share my >concerns and interests. In all we had about 15 good-spirited, >long-suffering people who waited it out with us. But it was WORTH IT! > >Our SECRET WEAPON worked BEAUTIFULLY. My friend Donnie Loweth (whose family >cemetery here in Clark County was blacktopped and turned into a parking >lot -- graves notwithstanding) took his beautiful 8-year-old daughter Ashley >out of school for the day and we brought her with us to the Capitol. > >When the hearing began, because of the lateness of the hour, Rep. Markt >Lytle thanks us several times for our fortitude and explained that, rather >than receiving comments on individual pending bills, the Committee would >hear brief testimony from anyone wishing to speak about the situation in >general. > >I got up and did my little song-and-dance. Then Rep. Lytle called Ashley. >Though she was conspicuous as the only child present, I think all of them >were a bit stunned when she got up to speak. Ashley approached the >microphone and, in a very clear, calm voice, said: > >"Good evening! It makes me very happy and proud to speak before you today, >but it also saddens me for the reason that I am here. > >"My name is Ashley Loweth. I'm 8 years old and I'm in the third grade. > >"The reason I am here today is, we write laws every day to protect ourselves >and our rights. That is great. But what about after we leave this world? > >"I am a descendant of the Nathan Hale you may have read about in your >history books. I have three generations of great-grandparents buried in a >little lonely cemetery in Clarksville, Indiana. What is sad about this is >that three-fourths of the cemetery is now under blacktop and the law says, >'This is okay. As long as the property owner is paying taxes, they can do >what they want.' > >"I don't understand all the laws, but I really don't understand how this one >got passed. > >"How would you feel if your Grandma took you to put flowers on your >great-grandparents' grave and you were told, 'There they lay, under that >blacktop!' > >"Well, I know that feeling and it hurts! Not only blacktop, but there are >two pay phones and a utility pole with guide wires going into a grave. >That's not all. They even have an EPA monitoring device in the middle to >monitor the ground for their gas pumps." > >"I am asking you to please change this law for some day I will want to take >my children to this very same lonely little cemetery and be able to say, >'This is where we came from. This is our roots! > >"Thank you." > >Little Ashley received a standing ovation. I don't believe there was a dry >eye in the house. She left the Representatives speakless. Rep. Lytle >jokingly asked, "Does anyone on the committee have any tough questions for >Ashley?" Of course, there was nothing they could say. She'd said it all. > >The rest of us had our opportunity to speak and I'm very proud of each and >every one of you who toughed it out with us. I don't believe, however, that >there's much question that little Ashley stole the show and the rest of us >were just there to lend our support to her plea. > >Good night. I'm going to bed! It's not midnight yet and my body will >probably go into shock if I get more than 4 hours sleep, but I'm willing to >risk it at this juncture! > >Lois > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Please do not send querries through this list. > > >

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Just a quick note to let you all know that the Indiana Stae Page has moved to: http://www.usroots.com/~kyseeker/indiana/index.html The Jay County page is in the same place as always and is not moving at least in the near future. The link from the Jay County page tp the Indiana State page has been updated. You may want to update your bookmarks! Cheers Amy Jay County Coordinator