Nancy, 1860 Indiana census shows only following for your BARNHOUSE names: Matilda, 2 mos. old, Madison Co., Van Buren Twp. Other members of this household: John 25yo b Virginia Laborer Not literate Martena 25yo b Indiana Literate William H. 2yo b Indiana Also: Patrick 17yo b Virginia Laborer Sullivan Co., Cass Twp., Carlisle P. O., Head of Household, Literate None of your other BARNHOUSE given names were listed. Jim near Detroit

Researching the BARLEY family who came from Bedford Co. PA 1840s. Pat in VA

I want to thank all of you who responded about the Halls. Below is all I know about mine. I have been stuck for four years so I am hoping someone sees something that will help. My great great grandfather was (John) Henry Hall. He is shown as Henry on census records, as well as his death record. His son's funeral record, Evan Philander Hall, shows his full name John Henry Hall. Evan was my great grandfather. I'm sorry this is so long but I am hoping that something will look familiar to someone. At this point I'm grasping at straws. I will gladly accept any suggestions. Thanks again, Charlotte Lucas The first record I have of Henry is the 1850 Madison Co, Indiana census. His wife's name was Susannah. Evan's funeral record gives her name as Miss Everett so I assume her name was probably Susannah Everett. They had not been married very long as they had no children. By the time the 1860 Madison Co, Indiana census was taken they had three children: Evan Philander Hall born on 29 Aug 1851 in Madison Co, Indiana, died 29 May 1919 in Tulsa, Ok. He married Serilda Adaline LaForge on 23 Aug 1873 in Grant Co, Indiana. Serilda was the sister of Mary LaForge Chaney (wife of Alexander Chaney) and Emily LaForge Jones (wife of Edward Jones) both of Grant Co; Marinda born abt 1852 and Anna born abt 1854. All three in Indiana. On the 1860 census his wife's name is spelled Luana. They had at least one more child: George Thomas Hall born 12 Jan 1864. George married Sarah Marthena LaForge (Frena) on 25 Dec 1888 in Burnet Co, Tx. He died 16 Jan 1954 in Burnet Co, Tx and is buried in the Marble Falls Cemetery. Frena was Serilda's niece. After the 1860 census Henry disappears until the 1900 Sims Twp, Grant Co, Indiana census where is is married to at least his 2nd wife. Her name was Eliza and they had three children: William E born Aug 1881; Minnie L born May 1888; Bertha born Sep 1895. The census says they had been married 21 years so they married in 1878 or 1879. She was the mother of Eight only 3 still living. Henry died on 6 Mar 1904 and is buried in the Thrailkill Cemetery in Sims Twp, Grant Co, Indiana. His wife apparently didn't know who is parents were. The 1900 census shows his birth Feb 1825, the date on his death record is 14 Feb 1826. The 1850 census says he was born in Ky, the 1860 Va and the 1900 Ky. His wife said Indiana on the death record! I have not been able to find Henry on the 1870 nor 1880 census so I have no idea as to how many children there may have been from his first marriage. I have not found a marriage record for either marriage. Madison Co is a burned out county and only has marriage records back to 1913. Another big problem is there is no 1870 Indiana State census index. I have done a line by line search of the 1870 Madison Co and Grant Co census and most of the adjacent counties and done the same for 1880 and to date have found nothing. The only reason I know about George is because the family knew him. I have been in contact with other Grant Co and Madison Co Hall researchers and no one knows how my Henry may have been connected or anything about his children. This is where I have been stuck for the past 4 years. I have all the census, marriage and death records for Evan and George and their families but the rest of the family is still a blank.

Could someone check for BARNHOUSE in the 1860 census. We are trying to find out if Matilda stayed in the county after Henry died in 1851 . Children's names are: Christina, John, Lavina, Henry, Perry, Patrick, Susan, Phoebe and Mary. Appreciate any help, Thanks, Nancy ******************************************************************* Researching: Weekley, Braman, Littleton, Jarrett/Jarard, Buchanan, Higgins, Tennant, O'Neil Barnhouse, Enoch, Pribble ----- Original Message ----- From: <INGRANT-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <INGRANT-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:18 AM Subject: INGRANT-D Digest V00 #12

Kathryn, There is a Kentland, Indiana in Newton Co., in the northwest part of the state. It is located at the intersection of US Highways 24 and 41, about 5 miles from the Illinois border. Jim near Detroit

Try this site to find information about any state, including weather, census for the year 2000, etc. http://www.globalcomputing.com/states.html Gini James

Get in touch with current census information online, of North Carolina, where most of the first residence of Grant county, Indiana came from. http://census.state.nc.us/ Gini James, Warsaw, IN

Gini, I agree. I think the last few days have shown us that many of our Grant County families are connected. I'm not sure who the list administrator is but they do deserve our thanks. I checked both the welcome message and the Grant County Genweb page, where I subscribed but don't see a name listed. Sheila Watson takes care of the page but with all she does to make it the great resource it is, I don't see how she could be taking care of the list at the same time. Whoever the list owner is ....thank you! Judy Cameron ---------- > From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> > To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List > Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 10:32 PM > > My error. Thanks Judy, for your correction. There is a Nobelsville > north of Indianapolis, but Noble county is actually about thirty > minutes north of Fort Wayne. An active list helps keep us all current. > I just learned something again. Ain't this list grand. I am really > enjoying it. I hope everyone will see what they can contribute to the > list, to keep it active. > > Does anyone know who the list owner is? There is no message at the > bottom of any of our posts, to tell new people how to subscribe, and we > need a prefix for the subject line, so we can pull all the list > messages up together for viewing. Let us know who to thank for getting > this list started. > > Thanks > Gini James > > ---------- > : From: Judy Cameron <wefit@fwi.com> > : To: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com>; INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > : Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List > : Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 12:14 AM > : > : Gini, > : Thanks for trying. I know we all appreciate the time you are taking > to do > : this for us. I'm afraid I don't recognize these particular Coles. > Also, > : for those who may be out of state (or like me, just not great > geographers) > : Noble County is up North. Noblesville is near Indpls but is not in > Noble > : County. I got those confused myself until I moved to Noble County > :)) > : Judy Cameron > : > : > : ---------- > : > From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> > : > To: Judy Cameron <wefit@fwi.com>; INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > : > Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List

Gini, Thanks for trying. I know we all appreciate the time you are taking to do this for us. I'm afraid I don't recognize these particular Coles. Also, for those who may be out of state (or like me, just not great geographers) Noble County is up North. Noblesville is near Indpls but is not in Noble County. I got those confused myself until I moved to Noble County :)) Judy Cameron ---------- > From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> > To: Judy Cameron <wefit@fwi.com>; INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List > Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:35 PM > > Hello Judy, > In checking the lineage book "GRANT COUNTY CONNECTIONS", I see no > Carroll listed. > > There is one Cole: > > page 62 > Sarah Margaret Cole > b. 3 Feb. 1852, where ? > d. 30 April 1944, Noble co., IN, which is in the same general area of > Grant County. It is just north of Indianapolis. > > Sarah's parents are not listed. > > She married Jacob Spencer Clouse, 18 April 1882, where ? > They had a son: > tom Cole Clouse > b. 20 June 1887 > > submitted by; > Susan Y. Kirkpatrick on 22 Jan. 1988 > 7552 S. 350 E. Osage Farm > Jonesboro, Indiana; 46938 > > Susan in the second wife of Dr. Ralph Kirkpatrick, author of three > books of this > area and it's people. > > Watch for the GRANT COUNTY BOOKS LIST I SENT EARLIER TODAY, for books > available, with prices and ordering instructions. > > I hope this helps! > > Gini James, Warsaw, IN > > ---------- > : From: Judy Cameron <wefit@fwi.com> > : To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > : Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List > : Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:54 AM > : > : We are out here. I am searching for CARROLL, COLE, ELLIS, MCCRUM, > : SWAFFORD. > : Judy Cameron > : > : > : ---------- > : > From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> > : > To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com > : > Subject: Grant Co ., IN List > : > Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 4:43 AM > : > > : > I have not gotten a single post yet. > : > > : > Gini > : > > :

Thank you for posting NAME SITES. Did anyone find what you are looking for on one of these sites? Gini ---------- : From: Hoggatts <bhoggatt@seidata.com> : To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List : Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 9:26 AM : : : Surnames: : : Hoggatt, Rhonemus, Smith (Green Twp), Nesbitt : Murphy, Downing, Davis, Odle, Earnest, : : List of Grant Co. family names: : http://www.seidata.com/~bhoggatt/ruth/bfamnam.html : : Murphy: : http://www.expage.com/page/hoggatt : : Hoggatt, Smith: : http://www.members.tripod.com/~RuthH/smhogg.html : : Smith, Nesbitt: : http://members.tripod.com/~RuthH/smith.html : : Nesbitt, Smith: : http://members.tripod.com/~RuthH/neswm.html : : Sincerely, : Ruth Hoggatt :

There are no Hahn, or Wable. There is a Waddell on page 170 David Waddell b. VA m.. KY, to Armenia Patterson d. KY one daughter listed: Louisa Waddell m. William S. Gowers, in KY submitted by Eleanor C. Schoen 13077 Bradwell Ave. Sylmar, Calif.; 91342, 19 Feb. 1988 Please consider forwarding your lineage for the new lineage book, to Mrs. June Yale Schields 908 Hawthorn Rd. Marion, IN; 46952 Junes Email address is jadnard@bpsinet.com Gini James ---------- : From: GCarter47@aol.com : To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List : Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 7:57 AM : : Me, too. Looking for Hahn and Wable. : : Gloria Carter :

My error. Thanks Judy, for your correction. There is a Nobelsville north of Indianapolis, but Noble county is actually about thirty minutes north of Fort Wayne. An active list helps keep us all current. I just learned something again. Ain't this list grand. I am really enjoying it. I hope everyone will see what they can contribute to the list, to keep it active. Does anyone know who the list owner is? There is no message at the bottom of any of our posts, to tell new people how to subscribe, and we need a prefix for the subject line, so we can pull all the list messages up together for viewing. Let us know who to thank for getting this list started. Thanks Gini James ---------- : From: Judy Cameron <wefit@fwi.com> : To: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com>; INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List : Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 12:14 AM : : Gini, : Thanks for trying. I know we all appreciate the time you are taking to do : this for us. I'm afraid I don't recognize these particular Coles. Also, : for those who may be out of state (or like me, just not great geographers) : Noble County is up North. Noblesville is near Indpls but is not in Noble : County. I got those confused myself until I moved to Noble County :)) : Judy Cameron : : : ---------- : > From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> : > To: Judy Cameron <wefit@fwi.com>; INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : > Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List : > Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:35 PM : > : > Hello Judy, : > In checking the lineage book "GRANT COUNTY CONNECTIONS", I see no : > Carroll listed. : > : > There is one Cole: : > : > page 62 : > Sarah Margaret Cole : > b. 3 Feb. 1852, where ? : > d. 30 April 1944, Noble co., IN, which is in the same general area of : > Grant County. It is just north of Indianapolis. : > : > Sarah's parents are not listed. : > : > She married Jacob Spencer Clouse, 18 April 1882, where ? : > They had a son: : > tom Cole Clouse : > b. 20 June 1887 : > : > submitted by; : > Susan Y. Kirkpatrick on 22 Jan. 1988 : > 7552 S. 350 E. Osage Farm : > Jonesboro, Indiana; 46938 : > : > Susan in the second wife of Dr. Ralph Kirkpatrick, author of three : > books of this : > area and it's people. : > : > Watch for the GRANT COUNTY BOOKS LIST I SENT EARLIER TODAY, for books : > available, with prices and ordering instructions. : > : > I hope this helps! : > : > Gini James, Warsaw, IN : > : > ---------- : > : From: Judy Cameron <wefit@fwi.com> : > : To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : > : Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List : > : Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:54 AM : > : : > : We are out here. I am searching for CARROLL, COLE, ELLIS, MCCRUM, : > : SWAFFORD. : > : Judy Cameron : > : : > : : > : ---------- : > : > From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> : > : > To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : > : > Subject: Grant Co ., IN List : > : > Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 4:43 AM : > : > : > : > I have not gotten a single post yet. : > : > : > : > Gini : > : > : > :

Sue, Please send a copy to the two ladies who belong to the Grant Co., Genealogy Club. I spoke to June Yale Shields the other day about putting out a second volume of GRANT CO CONNECTION, lineage book, and she was favoring the project. She would be very grateful to have pictures made available for publication with any data they put in on any former residents. If not in this book, then perhaps in another one. She would at least know what pictures you have, and how to get in touch with you. Gini ---------- : From: MCLEANSUSA@aol.com : To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: UNDERWOOD/JONES/THOMAS : Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 7:21 PM : : I'm sorry, I recall someone on this list was researching UNDERWOODs and I : have found a picture of Charles E. UNDERWOOD, pastor of Fourth Christian : Church at Indianapolis, graduate of Marion HS class of 1897, if he/she is : interested. : : Also a picture of Samuel Frank JONES, class of 1886 : : Luella B. THOMAS, class of 1883. : : Many, many others--I'm just naming those with last names I've seen in the : past few days. : : I have a scanner and can scan the pics for anyone interested. : : Sue SMITH MCLEAN : Houston, TX :

Hello Judy, In checking the lineage book "GRANT COUNTY CONNECTIONS", I see no Carroll listed. There is one Cole: page 62 Sarah Margaret Cole b. 3 Feb. 1852, where ? d. 30 April 1944, Noble co., IN, which is in the same general area of Grant County. It is just north of Indianapolis. Sarah's parents are not listed. She married Jacob Spencer Clouse, 18 April 1882, where ? They had a son: tom Cole Clouse b. 20 June 1887 submitted by; Susan Y. Kirkpatrick on 22 Jan. 1988 7552 S. 350 E. Osage Farm Jonesboro, Indiana; 46938 Susan in the second wife of Dr. Ralph Kirkpatrick, author of three books of this area and it's people. Watch for the GRANT COUNTY BOOKS LIST I SENT EARLIER TODAY, for books available, with prices and ordering instructions. I hope this helps! Gini James, Warsaw, IN ---------- : From: Judy Cameron <wefit@fwi.com> : To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Re: Grant Co ., IN List : Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 8:54 AM : : We are out here. I am searching for CARROLL, COLE, ELLIS, MCCRUM, : SWAFFORD. : Judy Cameron : : : ---------- : > From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> : > To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : > Subject: Grant Co ., IN List : > Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 4:43 AM : > : > I have not gotten a single post yet. : > : > Gini : > :

I'm sorry, I recall someone on this list was researching UNDERWOODs and I have found a picture of Charles E. UNDERWOOD, pastor of Fourth Christian Church at Indianapolis, graduate of Marion HS class of 1897, if he/she is interested. Also a picture of Samuel Frank JONES, class of 1886 Luella B. THOMAS, class of 1883. Many, many others--I'm just naming those with last names I've seen in the past few days. I have a scanner and can scan the pics for anyone interested. Sue SMITH MCLEAN Houston, TX

---------- : From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> : To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Fw: Grant County, books for sale : Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:50 PM : : Here is the book list from Grant County, Indiana, sent to us by Jackie : C. Thomas. I will forward it several times, to bring your attention to : it. : : Gini James, Warsaw, IN : : : ---------- : From: grayston thomas <grayston@comteck.com> : To: HJames@kconline.com : Subject: Grant County, books for sale : Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:53 AM : : Hi Gini, sorry it took a day to get back to you, we went to the heart : doctors in Indy yesterday, good news! my husbands congestive heart : failure, is getting better, he was diagnosed 2 yrs. ago this month. we : have a very strict salt free diet around here. every thing is cooked : from scratch, takes an auful lot of time. Well heres our list : Books for Sale : : Marriage Books : Vol I Sept 1831-Apr.1882 $20.00 : Vol.II Apr.1882-May15,1898 $20.00 : Vol.III May 16,1898-Jan.11,1910 $20.00 : Vol.IV Jan 12,1910 -Oct.28,1924 $20.00 : Vol.V Oct.29,1924 -May 20,1938 $20.00 : Vol.VI May 21,1938 -Dec.31,1949 $25.00 : : Obituary Books : Vol.I 1867-1894, Vol.II 1895-1897, Vol.III 1898-1900 : first three Vol. are $22.00 each : : Vol.IV 1901-1904, Vol.V 1905-1907, $32.00 each : : Vol.VI 1908-1910, Vol VII 1911-1913 $28.00 each : : Vol VIII 1914-1931, Vol IX 1932-1934, Vol X 1835-1936 : Last three Vol. are $33.50 each : : Grant Co. connections, Volume I $27.00 : : Please make all checks payable to Grant County Genealogy Club. Mail : book order to Grant county Genealogy Club, 1419 W. 11th St. Marion, In. : 46953, When ordering books by mail, please allow $3.50 per book for : postage and handling. : : : Jackie C. : Thomas : 827 E. N. "F" : St. : Gas City, In. : 46933 :

---------- : From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> : To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Fw: Grant County, books for sale : Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:50 PM : : Here is the book list from Grant County, Indiana, sent to us by Jackie : C. Thomas. I will forward it several times, to bring your attention to : it. : : Gini James, Warsaw, IN : : : ---------- : From: grayston thomas <grayston@comteck.com> : To: HJames@kconline.com : Subject: Grant County, books for sale : Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:53 AM : : Hi Gini, sorry it took a day to get back to you, we went to the heart : doctors in Indy yesterday, good news! my husbands congestive heart : failure, is getting better, he was diagnosed 2 yrs. ago this month. we : have a very strict salt free diet around here. every thing is cooked : from scratch, takes an auful lot of time. Well heres our list : Books for Sale : : Marriage Books : Vol I Sept 1831-Apr.1882 $20.00 : Vol.II Apr.1882-May15,1898 $20.00 : Vol.III May 16,1898-Jan.11,1910 $20.00 : Vol.IV Jan 12,1910 -Oct.28,1924 $20.00 : Vol.V Oct.29,1924 -May 20,1938 $20.00 : Vol.VI May 21,1938 -Dec.31,1949 $25.00 : : Obituary Books : Vol.I 1867-1894, Vol.II 1895-1897, Vol.III 1898-1900 : first three Vol. are $22.00 each : : Vol.IV 1901-1904, Vol.V 1905-1907, $32.00 each : : Vol.VI 1908-1910, Vol VII 1911-1913 $28.00 each : : Vol VIII 1914-1931, Vol IX 1932-1934, Vol X 1835-1936 : Last three Vol. are $33.50 each : : Grant Co. connections, Volume I $27.00 : : Please make all checks payable to Grant County Genealogy Club. Mail : book order to Grant county Genealogy Club, 1419 W. 11th St. Marion, In. : 46953, When ordering books by mail, please allow $3.50 per book for : postage and handling. : : : Jackie C. : Thomas : 827 E. N. "F" : St. : Gas City, In. : 46933 :

---------- : From: Harold James <HJames@kconline.com> : To: INGRANT-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: Fw: Grant County, books for sale : Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:50 PM : : Here is the book list from Grant County, Indiana, sent to us by Jackie : C. Thomas. I will forward it several times, to bring your attention to : it. : : Gini James, Warsaw, IN : : : ---------- : From: grayston thomas <grayston@comteck.com> : To: HJames@kconline.com : Subject: Grant County, books for sale : Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:53 AM : : Hi Gini, sorry it took a day to get back to you, we went to the heart : doctors in Indy yesterday, good news! my husbands congestive heart : failure, is getting better, he was diagnosed 2 yrs. ago this month. we : have a very strict salt free diet around here. every thing is cooked : from scratch, takes an auful lot of time. Well heres our list : Books for Sale : : Marriage Books : Vol I Sept 1831-Apr.1882 $20.00 : Vol.II Apr.1882-May15,1898 $20.00 : Vol.III May 16,1898-Jan.11,1910 $20.00 : Vol.IV Jan 12,1910 -Oct.28,1924 $20.00 : Vol.V Oct.29,1924 -May 20,1938 $20.00 : Vol.VI May 21,1938 -Dec.31,1949 $25.00 : : Obituary Books : Vol.I 1867-1894, Vol.II 1895-1897, Vol.III 1898-1900 : first three Vol. are $22.00 each : : Vol.IV 1901-1904, Vol.V 1905-1907, $32.00 each : : Vol.VI 1908-1910, Vol VII 1911-1913 $28.00 each : : Vol VIII 1914-1931, Vol IX 1932-1934, Vol X 1835-1936 : Last three Vol. are $33.50 each : : Grant Co. connections, Volume I $27.00 : : Please make all checks payable to Grant County Genealogy Club. Mail : book order to Grant county Genealogy Club, 1419 W. 11th St. Marion, In. : 46953, When ordering books by mail, please allow $3.50 per book for : postage and handling. : : : Jackie C. : Thomas : 827 E. N. "F" : St. : Gas City, In. : 46933 :

Here is the book list from Grant County, Indiana, sent to us by Jackie C. Thomas. I will forward it several times, to bring your attention to it. Gini James, Warsaw, IN ---------- From: grayston thomas <grayston@comteck.com> To: HJames@kconline.com Subject: Grant County, books for sale Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:53 AM Hi Gini, sorry it took a day to get back to you, we went to the heart doctors in Indy yesterday, good news! my husbands congestive heart failure, is getting better, he was diagnosed 2 yrs. ago this month. we have a very strict salt free diet around here. every thing is cooked from scratch, takes an auful lot of time. Well heres our list Books for Sale Marriage Books Vol I Sept 1831-Apr.1882 $20.00 Vol.II Apr.1882-May15,1898 $20.00 Vol.III May 16,1898-Jan.11,1910 $20.00 Vol.IV Jan 12,1910 -Oct.28,1924 $20.00 Vol.V Oct.29,1924 -May 20,1938 $20.00 Vol.VI May 21,1938 -Dec.31,1949 $25.00 Obituary Books Vol.I 1867-1894, Vol.II 1895-1897, Vol.III 1898-1900 first three Vol. are $22.00 each Vol.IV 1901-1904, Vol.V 1905-1907, $32.00 each Vol.VI 1908-1910, Vol VII 1911-1913 $28.00 each Vol VIII 1914-1931, Vol IX 1932-1934, Vol X 1835-1936 Last three Vol. are $33.50 each Grant Co. connections, Volume I $27.00 Please make all checks payable to Grant County Genealogy Club. Mail book order to Grant county Genealogy Club, 1419 W. 11th St. Marion, In. 46953, When ordering books by mail, please allow $3.50 per book for postage and handling. Jackie C. Thomas 827 E. N. "F" St. Gas City, In. 46933

Hi, I need some help locating my ggrandmother's grave. On my ggrandfather's Civil War papers she is listed as dying in Kent, Indiana. Is there a Kent town and a Kent Co. in IN? Also, my ggrandparents were married by a Methodist Minister as were another Bowman couple. The names of the ministers wereWheat and Conn. Does anyone have data on them? Kathryn