Rush Co... just here Sue Otte

Who out there in Hoosier land would have lineage & family info of George & Willie? Would this be around the Vincennes area?? Thanks for any help! It's for a library patron... Sue Otte Rush Co

Hi, folks - As you probably know by now, Betty Sellers has decided that she no longer wants to manage INGEN-L. We're sorry to see her go, and wish her the best of luck in her next projects! But we also want to make it clear to everyone that we're still happy to host this mailing list; as long as it's useful for Indiana research, then we'll continue to provide a home for it. Please feel free to continue using this list as long as you find it helpful. -- Regards, Tim Pierce RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative system obfuscator and hack-of-all-trades

-----Original Message----- From: Sandy <teylu@home.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Re: [Board-Exec-L] Resource pages >jpowelljr wrote: >> >> I guess my reaction was mainly at the >> lack of respect that Rootsweb seems to have shown all of us >> by not asking our opinions and just springing this on us. >> It looks like they are pushing us around instead of playing >> on the team. (Their decision, we all have to live with it >> now) Is Rootsweb willing to be part of the team? I am not >> trying to tell Brian or Rootsweb how to run their business, > > >Jim, > >If I may add to your comments a bit with some observations of my own.... >I believe the recent business decisions by RootsWeb have served as a >point of departure from the previous association between the entities of >USGW and RootsWeb, and mark the need for USGW to clarify its >separateness from RootsWeb. > >RootsWeb's decisions are related to its goals as a for-profit business venture. >(the sheer realization that RootsWeb is a for-profit business venture as >opposed to a nonprofit cooperative has surprised and disturbed a number >of people). > >Heretofore, county-specific genealogical information available on >RootsWeb's servers consisted of those portions of the USGW Project which >USGW volunteers had chosen to locate on RootsWeb's servers... and as we >are aware, not all county volunteers chose to make use of RootsWeb's servers. > >While the alliance of USGW still exists as a project, RootsWeb has, in >essence, launched its own "project" or method of providing >county-specific genealogical information in a manner consistent with its >own goals as a for-profit business venture. > >RootsWeb must make its decisions consistent with its for-profit business goals. > >I think a certain "fork in the road," has been reached where the >difference between the nature of the two entities (RootsWeb and USGW) >and the goals appropriate to each has become apparent. > >I believe the appropriate concern of the USGW project at this juncture >is its own identity as an informal alliance of independent researchers >who associate with one another for the purpose of providing free online >exchange of genealogical research information. > >To date, I don't think anyone has confused the identity of or >relationship between the USGW project with the various clearly >for-profit web servers on which some portions of the project are located. >For example, I don't believe the general public or any of the USGW >volunteers perceives USGW has a "relationship" with GeoCities or various >other for-profit commercial servers upon which various USGW project >pages are located. >It is recognized any relationship is a private and separate one between >that particular volunteer and his/her chosen webspace provider - not a >relationship between the USGW Project and a commercial for-profit entity. > >I'm not aware of any portion of the USGW project offering or suggesting >that pages located on GeoCities, or Earthlink, or any number of other >for-profit servers provide additional links or "Support our Sponsor >GeoCities" or "I Love GeoCities" graphic buttons, etc. on their pages. > >Indeed, I don't even believe USGW suggests these be provided by >volunteers who have chosen to place USGW pages on RootsWeb, although >certainly many of these buttons and links for RootsWeb exist - and >indeed there have been numerous suggestions on USGW lists that such >buttons and links should appear on pages using RootsWeb's servers. >Numerous USGW email lists have added "tags" promoting or soliciting >donations to RootsWeb, and/or thanking RootsWeb for providing service to USGW. > >There is a difference and concern here, since no other commercial server >of which I am aware solicits contributions. >RootsWeb does. > >I do believe there exists some confusion - both by the general public as >well as among USGW volunteers - as to the relationship between USGW and >that of RootsWeb, particularly since RootsWeb does not charge for >webspace used by USGW volunteers for the project. > >Indeed, many people have stated they have donated money to RootsWeb >because it provides free webspace to USGW....an act which I think can be >reasonably interpreted as a donation intended to support USGW. It is not >possible to donate money to USGW, because the project has no means of >receiving it. > >I think it is appropriate for USGW to be concerned with this and hence >to make clear its differentiation from RootsWeb. > >I am of the opinion USGW has a responsibility and obligation to make >clear it does not need money, nor have a formal organization, nor >*accept* - let alone solicit - any financial donations from anyone, and >further that any solicitations conducted by anyone, including RootsWeb, >should not be considered a donation on behalf of USGW. > >I believe this would be a wise and prudent distinction for USGW to make, >particularly in light of RootsWeb's new county pages and direct links to >USGW pages....which could cause further confusion to the public as to >the relationship between USGW and RootsWeb. > >Sandy > >-------- > > >==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. >

This was forwarded by Linda Lewis to the State-L list... The discussion yesterday evening was to remedy the problem of the unlinked counties. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Russell Lewis <cityslic@ix.netcom.com> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 12:23 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Reply forwarded >Since Holly is not on this list: > >Holly Timm wrote: >> >> At 11:17 AM 6/12/99 -0400, jpowelljr wrote: >> >My thoughts... Some of you will get this way more than >> >once. I hope you will accept my apology for that... I am >> >listening for your comments. >> >> and a thought from me.... I have been with USGenWeb since virtually the >> beginning and frankly, form the attitude of a few vocal people, IF RootsWeb >> had linked to each and every USGenWeb County whereever it was, we would >> quickly hear these same people screaming that RW was stealing USGenWeb. >> Frankly, I do not think that RootsWeb has done anything wrong by improving >> the navigation of RootsWeb for visitors to Rootsweb. The USGenWeb sites are >> not the be all and end all of what RootsWeb does and provides. I recently >> gave a talk to a local group on Resources at RootsWeb (it was titled >> Ramblin' 'Round RootsWeb) without visiting any USGenWeb sites because USGW >> had been covered previously and did not have enough time in my allotted 90 >> minutes to adequately show everything RootsWeb has that is NOT USGenWeb. >> >> RootsWeb has been extremely supportive and patient with USGenWeb in spite >> of the frequent attacks and innuendo against it. Here, any USGenWeb CC has >> free web space, free mail lists, free query boards and other wonderful >> tools. In return, RootsWeb does not even require us to have a Rootsweb logo >> on our pages. Over and over I hear people talking as if RootsWeb is getting >> rich off of USGenWeb, have any of you priced serious server hardware >> lately??? or the cost of bandwidth in and out??? or wages for the staff w ho >> labor to bring us newer and better tools???? >> >> Brian and all of the staff are committed to free genealogy online and >> always have been. Pressed financially, they seek alternate ways of >> continuing to maintain and expand RootsWeb without having to charge for >> access to data. I am both ashamed and horrified by the current discussion >> in one state about seriously banning having any of that states county sites >> at RootsWeb. Rootsweb is damned for openly incorporating Rootsweb but in >> almost the same breath, others are excused for secretly incorporating >> USGenWeb itself. Something smells to me. >> >> Holly Timm >> >> >At first, I was VERY upset. Why? I'm not really sure. I >> >try very hard to look at both sides of everything. Those >> >pages aren't all bad, but the spin from them definitely >> >isn't very positive. I guess my reaction was mainly at the >> >lack of respect that Rootsweb seems to have shown all of us >> >by not asking our opinions and just springing this on us. >> >It looks like they are pushing us around instead of playing >> >on the team. (Their decision, we all have to live with it >> >now) Is Rootsweb willing to be part of the team? I am not >> >trying to tell Brian or Rootsweb how to run their business, >> >but it is my belief that they should add prominent links to >> >all State pages and at least link to county projects off of >> >Rootsweb. Why? Because they would really like to be a team >> >player. Because they haven't figured goodwill into the >> >amount of hits that receive. Because they really do care >> >about the Project. >> >I'm still trying to sort it all out as I'm sure most of you >> >are, everyone has some merit to their positions on this >> >one. I include in this statement, Brian and Rootsweb, the >> >Advisory Board Members, Teresa and the DBS, every XXGenWeb >> >and Special Project Volunteer. Wear the other guy's shoes >> >for a moment. Look at the world through their eyes. >> >Sometimes it is only a tiny thing that really separates us. >> > >> >Some thoughts that may or may not have bearing on the >> >above. Why am I part of all of this Project ???... >> >I started down this road because people in this Project had >> >helped me and I wanted to return their generosity to the >> >Project Community. I had always been a Volunteer at >> >something, and this just felt right. It feels to good to >> >share, and to share with family even better and if you look >> >at this in the way that I do, we are all cousins, we just >> >haven't proved the connection yet. >> >I am a bit obsessive, I, through some stroke of luck (good >> >or bad), fate or divine intervention, have come up with a >> >job that helps with my Volunteering with this Project... I >> >have become the "Ancient Records Coordinator" for the >> >Alachua County (FL) Clerk of the Courts Office. I took a >> >pay cut to take the job, a substantial one. But then again, >> >I am much richer than I could be with money. (There does >> >have to be money here somewhere to keep our information >> >online) My loyalties lie with Genealogy and History and the >> >researchers that are out there looking for connections. >> > >> >We CAN work together, if we want to... I want to... >> > >> >Thanks for listening Cousins, >> >Jim Powell Jr >> >Waldo, FL >> > >> >Goodbye "Bones" (Dr. McCoy) DeForest Kelley. >> > >> > Family Homepage: Http://www.afn.org/~afn03098/ >> >Coordinator of Henderson County KyGenweb Page >> > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhender/ >> >Coordinator of Gilchrist County FLGenWeb Page >> > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flgilchr/ >> >Coordinator of Alachua County FLGenWeb Page >> > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flalachu/ >> >Coordinator of Bradford County FLGenWeb Page >> > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flbradfo/ >> >Assistant State Coordinator FLGenWeb >> >Ancient Records Coordinator / Alachua County, FL, Clerk of >> >the Courts Office >> > >> > >> >==== USGenWeb-SE Mailing List ==== >> >Congratulations new SE/MA CC Rep! >> >Jim Powell, Jr <jpowelljr@worldnet.att.net> >> >> ==== USGenWeb-SE Mailing List ==== >> Announcements - official project announcements/business >> http://www.usgenweb.org/official/official.html >

There will be a meeting this evening of InGenWeb coordinator's at 7:00 central time at http://www.twobees.com/chat/ingen_chat.htm. Please plan to attend... Betty aka Kyseeker of In and Ky

-----Original Message----- From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net> To: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com <USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SE-L] Re: [Board-Exec-L] Resource pages >At 11:17 AM 6/12/99 -0400, jpowelljr wrote: >>My thoughts... Some of you will get this way more than >>once. I hope you will accept my apology for that... I am >>listening for your comments. > >and a thought from me.... I have been with USGenWeb since virtually the >beginning and frankly, form the attitude of a few vocal people, IF RootsWeb >had linked to each and every USGenWeb County whereever it was, we would >quickly hear these same people screaming that RW was stealing USGenWeb. >Frankly, I do not think that RootsWeb has done anything wrong by improving >the navigation of RootsWeb for visitors to Rootsweb. The USGenWeb sites are >not the be all and end all of what RootsWeb does and provides. I recently >gave a talk to a local group on Resources at RootsWeb (it was titled >Ramblin' 'Round RootsWeb) without visiting any USGenWeb sites because USGW >had been covered previously and did not have enough time in my allotted 90 >minutes to adequately show everything RootsWeb has that is NOT USGenWeb. > >RootsWeb has been extremely supportive and patient with USGenWeb in spite >of the frequent attacks and innuendo against it. Here, any USGenWeb CC has >free web space, free mail lists, free query boards and other wonderful >tools. In return, RootsWeb does not even require us to have a Rootsweb logo >on our pages. Over and over I hear people talking as if RootsWeb is getting >rich off of USGenWeb, have any of you priced serious server hardware >lately??? or the cost of bandwidth in and out??? or wages for the staff who >labor to bring us newer and better tools???? > >Brian and all of the staff are committed to free genealogy online and >always have been. Pressed financially, they seek alternate ways of >continuing to maintain and expand RootsWeb without having to charge for >access to data. I am both ashamed and horrified by the current discussion >in one state about seriously banning having any of that states county sites >at RootsWeb. Rootsweb is damned for openly incorporating Rootsweb but in >almost the same breath, others are excused for secretly incorporating >USGenWeb itself. Something smells to me. > >Holly Timm > > >>At first, I was VERY upset. Why? I'm not really sure. I >>try very hard to look at both sides of everything. Those >>pages aren't all bad, but the spin from them definitely >>isn't very positive. I guess my reaction was mainly at the >>lack of respect that Rootsweb seems to have shown all of us >>by not asking our opinions and just springing this on us. >>It looks like they are pushing us around instead of playing >>on the team. (Their decision, we all have to live with it >>now) Is Rootsweb willing to be part of the team? I am not >>trying to tell Brian or Rootsweb how to run their business, >>but it is my belief that they should add prominent links to >>all State pages and at least link to county projects off of >>Rootsweb. Why? Because they would really like to be a team >>player. Because they haven't figured goodwill into the >>amount of hits that receive. Because they really do care >>about the Project. >>I'm still trying to sort it all out as I'm sure most of you >>are, everyone has some merit to their positions on this >>one. I include in this statement, Brian and Rootsweb, the >>Advisory Board Members, Teresa and the DBS, every XXGenWeb >>and Special Project Volunteer. Wear the other guy's shoes >>for a moment. Look at the world through their eyes. >>Sometimes it is only a tiny thing that really separates us. >> >>Some thoughts that may or may not have bearing on the >>above. Why am I part of all of this Project ???... >>I started down this road because people in this Project had >>helped me and I wanted to return their generosity to the >>Project Community. I had always been a Volunteer at >>something, and this just felt right. It feels to good to >>share, and to share with family even better and if you look >>at this in the way that I do, we are all cousins, we just >>haven't proved the connection yet. >>I am a bit obsessive, I, through some stroke of luck (good >>or bad), fate or divine intervention, have come up with a >>job that helps with my Volunteering with this Project... I >>have become the "Ancient Records Coordinator" for the >>Alachua County (FL) Clerk of the Courts Office. I took a >>pay cut to take the job, a substantial one. But then again, >>I am much richer than I could be with money. (There does >>have to be money here somewhere to keep our information >>online) My loyalties lie with Genealogy and History and the >>researchers that are out there looking for connections. >> >>We CAN work together, if we want to... I want to... >> >>Thanks for listening Cousins, >>Jim Powell Jr >>Waldo, FL >> >>Goodbye "Bones" (Dr. McCoy) DeForest Kelley. >> >> Family Homepage: Http://www.afn.org/~afn03098/ >>Coordinator of Henderson County KyGenweb Page >> Http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhender/ >>Coordinator of Gilchrist County FLGenWeb Page >> Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flgilchr/ >>Coordinator of Alachua County FLGenWeb Page >> Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flalachu/ >>Coordinator of Bradford County FLGenWeb Page >> Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flbradfo/ >>Assistant State Coordinator FLGenWeb >>Ancient Records Coordinator / Alachua County, FL, Clerk of >>the Courts Office >> >> >>==== USGenWeb-SE Mailing List ==== >>Congratulations new SE/MA CC Rep! >>Jim Powell, Jr <jpowelljr@worldnet.att.net> > > >==== USGenWeb-SE Mailing List ==== >Announcements - official project announcements/business >http://www.usgenweb.org/official/official.html >

-----Original Message----- From: jpowelljr <jpowelljr@worldnet.att.net> To: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com <USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 8:22 AM Subject: [USGenWeb-SE-L] Re: [Board-Exec-L] Resource pages >My thoughts... Some of you will get this way more than >once. I hope you will accept my apology for that... I am >listening for your comments. >At first, I was VERY upset. Why? I'm not really sure. I >try very hard to look at both sides of everything. Those >pages aren't all bad, but the spin from them definitely >isn't very positive. I guess my reaction was mainly at the >lack of respect that Rootsweb seems to have shown all of us >by not asking our opinions and just springing this on us. >It looks like they are pushing us around instead of playing >on the team. (Their decision, we all have to live with it >now) Is Rootsweb willing to be part of the team? I am not >trying to tell Brian or Rootsweb how to run their business, >but it is my belief that they should add prominent links to >all State pages and at least link to county projects off of >Rootsweb. Why? Because they would really like to be a team >player. Because they haven't figured goodwill into the >amount of hits that receive. Because they really do care >about the Project. >I'm still trying to sort it all out as I'm sure most of you >are, everyone has some merit to their positions on this >one. I include in this statement, Brian and Rootsweb, the >Advisory Board Members, Teresa and the DBS, every XXGenWeb >and Special Project Volunteer. Wear the other guy's shoes >for a moment. Look at the world through their eyes. >Sometimes it is only a tiny thing that really separates us. > >Some thoughts that may or may not have bearing on the >above. Why am I part of all of this Project ???... >I started down this road because people in this Project had >helped me and I wanted to return their generosity to the >Project Community. I had always been a Volunteer at >something, and this just felt right. It feels to good to >share, and to share with family even better and if you look >at this in the way that I do, we are all cousins, we just >haven't proved the connection yet. >I am a bit obsessive, I, through some stroke of luck (good >or bad), fate or divine intervention, have come up with a >job that helps with my Volunteering with this Project... I >have become the "Ancient Records Coordinator" for the >Alachua County (FL) Clerk of the Courts Office. I took a >pay cut to take the job, a substantial one. But then again, >I am much richer than I could be with money. (There does >have to be money here somewhere to keep our information >online) My loyalties lie with Genealogy and History and the >researchers that are out there looking for connections. > >We CAN work together, if we want to... I want to... > >Thanks for listening Cousins, >Jim Powell Jr >Waldo, FL > >Goodbye "Bones" (Dr. McCoy) DeForest Kelley. > > Family Homepage: Http://www.afn.org/~afn03098/ >Coordinator of Henderson County KyGenweb Page > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhender/ >Coordinator of Gilchrist County FLGenWeb Page > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flgilchr/ >Coordinator of Alachua County FLGenWeb Page > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flalachu/ >Coordinator of Bradford County FLGenWeb Page > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flbradfo/ >Assistant State Coordinator FLGenWeb >Ancient Records Coordinator / Alachua County, FL, Clerk of >the Courts Office > > >==== USGenWeb-SE Mailing List ==== >Congratulations new SE/MA CC Rep! >Jim Powell, Jr <jpowelljr@worldnet.att.net> >

Hey Tom - I love that word "proud" God love your ole Indiana heart! The GenConnect boards do make life a lot easier and they have always been recommendd to new users and they are good... There is no problem with these boards. The problem is the Source Cluster Index for each county site which show's the link 'only' to RW county accounts. If your page is on RW (and Elkhart is) your linked is there - but for someone who isn't there is no link and that page 'is up for adoption'... Go look at the other's... There are 36 of them sitting out there - If they don't use these resources they will be given to someone else.. (I was told last night by the GenConnect people that wasn't so) However - I received a very nice letter early this morning from a lady who said she was concerned over her counties that were not on RW... She had received a letter from someone who owned the mail list for her county and she wanted to know if she was going to adopt the RW county source page . If she wasn't she was. These pages will be offered. Tom - I'll fight for your right to express your feelings anyway you want - for the Source pages or against - but I only wanted to explain to you what the problem really is.. Thanx for listening. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Stevens <stevens@skyenet.net> To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 7:53 AM Subject: Rootsweb Cluster hubbub >I'm the Elkhart County, IN coordinator. > >Simply said, I just don't know what all the hubbub is about. > >The GenConnect boards make my life easier by automating researcher >submissions. I see nothing sinister there. > >I volunteer to facilitate Elkhart County genealogical research, not to >stroke my own ego. > >I keep copyright notices on my pages to try to prevent for-profit types >from stealing contributors' information, not to grab ownership and >recognition for myself. > >I see my job here as a way to give back to the genealogical community what >so many others have unselfishly given to me for many years. > >Usually I don't get involved with these issues, but since my mailbox is >filling up, I figured it was time to get my $.02 worth in as well. > >Tom Stevens >proud Elkhart County, IN coordinator >proud listowner, INELKHAR-L >stevens@skyenet.net > >Tom Stevens >stevens@skyenet.net >

Geocities and Yahoo! merger Just in case anyone has webpages on these two sites and haven't been paying much attention to them lately, you'll want to know that Geocities and Yahoo! are combining their memberships. Visit here for more info: http://www.geocities.com/help/infocenter.html Here's a couple of their announcements: -Chris THE LATEST YAHOO! GEOCITIES SCOOP We'll soon be combining our GeoCities member database with Yahoo!'s, and when our two systems are fully synchronized, we'll unveil a brand new site called "Yahoo! GeoCities." From that day on, the first time you try to log in to GeoCities or access a GeoCities feature, you'll see something a little different: you'll be asked to complete a simple, one-time-only re-registration process before you can access the new "Yahoo! GeoCities" area. It's not as complicated as it sounds -- to get the details, go to the Yahoo! GeoCities merger Info Center: http://www.geocities.com/help/infocenter.html ---------- The Yahoo! - GeoCities merger is official, and as a result, we'll soon be making some great changes to the site and your membership. Later this month, on a soon-to-be- specified date, we will fully integrate our two sites. From that day forward, all GeoCities members will need to go through a one-time-only re-registration process. This is especially important for Homesteaders who FTP because they won't be able to FTP any files until they've re-registered. --------- ONE-TIME-ONLY RE-REGISTRATION We'll soon be combining our GeoCities member database with Yahoo!'s, and when our two systems are fully synchronized, we'll unveil a brand new site called "Yahoo! GeoCities." From that day on, the first time you try to log in to GeoCities or access a GeoCities feature, you'll see something a little different: you'll be asked to complete a simple, one-time-only re-registration process before you can access the new "Yahoo! GeoCities" area. It's not as complicated as it sounds — let's talk about it: **Who needs to re-register? Everybody in the whole wide GeoWorld — all current GeoCities members, including FTP users and anyone who wants to use Yahoo! Chat Rooms or Message Boards. **Why do I need to re-register? It's pretty important. We just want to make sure all your member information is safe and secure after we combine our two databases. The best and easiest way for us to do so is to ask you to re-register. **How do I re-register? You'll follow a simple, one-time-only process. You'll probably want to print out the last page so you'll have a hard copy of your unique member name and other vital information. **What's involved in the process? You'll be asked to verify your member name, categorize your home page and agree to Yahoo!'s Terms of Service. Don't worry — there'll be plenty of step-by-step instructions to guide you. **What's this about my member name? When we merge our member database with Yahoo!'s, we want to make sure that each of our GeoCitizens has a unique member name. Because both our companies have huge memberships, it's pretty likely that two completely different people will have the same member name (for example, there may be a "BobbyJoe" at GeoCities and a "BobbyJoe" at Yahoo!). You may know that the two of you are different people, but the merged database definitely won't. **How do I get this "unique" member name? When you re-register (remember, it's a one-time thing), you'll be asked to adopt a Yahoo! ID that will serve as your new member name. All GeoCitizens will automatically be assigned an ID that follows this format: membername.geo (for example, you'll be BobbyJoe.geo). **What if I don't like ".geo"? It's up to you whether you want to keep this name or choose a brand-new Yahoo! ID. You'll be presented with several options. We'll do our best to find the closest match to your old member name; if it's already taken, you'll be able to choose from the variations we suggest, or you can make up your own. **What if I already have a Yahoo! ID? If you wish, you can merge your Yahoo! and GeoCities accounts under your existing Yahoo! ID. Help! I'm confused! Don't worry; when you go through the actual re-registration process, we'll give you plenty of information and directions!

Me too Tom Amy Jay County -----Original Message----- From: Patricia J. Bogel [SMTP:pbogel@fwi.com] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 10:56 AM To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Rootsweb Cluster hubbub Tom, I agree with you. Pat Allen County Tom Stevens wrote: > > I'm the Elkhart County, IN coordinator. > > Simply said, I just don't know what all the hubbub is about. > > The GenConnect boards make my life easier by automating researcher > submissions. I see nothing sinister there. > > I volunteer to facilitate Elkhart County genealogical research, not to > stroke my own ego. > > I keep copyright notices on my pages to try to prevent for-profit types > from stealing contributors' information, not to grab ownership and > recognition for myself. > > I see my job here as a way to give back to the genealogical community what > so many others have unselfishly given to me for many years. > > Usually I don't get involved with these issues, but since my mailbox is > filling up, I figured it was time to get my $.02 worth in as well. > > Tom Stevens > proud Elkhart County, IN coordinator > proud listowner, INELKHAR-L > stevens@skyenet.net > > Tom Stevens > stevens@skyenet.net

Tom, I agree with you. Pat Allen County Tom Stevens wrote: > > I'm the Elkhart County, IN coordinator. > > Simply said, I just don't know what all the hubbub is about. > > The GenConnect boards make my life easier by automating researcher > submissions. I see nothing sinister there. > > I volunteer to facilitate Elkhart County genealogical research, not to > stroke my own ego. > > I keep copyright notices on my pages to try to prevent for-profit types > from stealing contributors' information, not to grab ownership and > recognition for myself. > > I see my job here as a way to give back to the genealogical community what > so many others have unselfishly given to me for many years. > > Usually I don't get involved with these issues, but since my mailbox is > filling up, I figured it was time to get my $.02 worth in as well. > > Tom Stevens > proud Elkhart County, IN coordinator > proud listowner, INELKHAR-L > stevens@skyenet.net > > Tom Stevens > stevens@skyenet.net

I'm the Elkhart County, IN coordinator. Simply said, I just don't know what all the hubbub is about. The GenConnect boards make my life easier by automating researcher submissions. I see nothing sinister there. I volunteer to facilitate Elkhart County genealogical research, not to stroke my own ego. I keep copyright notices on my pages to try to prevent for-profit types from stealing contributors' information, not to grab ownership and recognition for myself. I see my job here as a way to give back to the genealogical community what so many others have unselfishly given to me for many years. Usually I don't get involved with these issues, but since my mailbox is filling up, I figured it was time to get my $.02 worth in as well. Tom Stevens proud Elkhart County, IN coordinator proud listowner, INELKHAR-L stevens@skyenet.net Tom Stevens stevens@skyenet.net

Lonnie, well said. And I will add that none of us should make a hasty decision about all of this that has resulted with the surprise announcement of the new RW Cluster Pages. Several RW staffers heard some of our complaints and feelings about this new bold move by RW coupled with the new announcement that RW is now legally for-profit and no longer going to become a non-profit organization. Nothing wrong with RW being for-profit, just a sudden reversal of what they said they were going to do. These surprises make people jumpy and wonder what is next to change. I hope the RW staffers actually listened to what was said - it seemed their main goal was to defend RW's actions. My point is that it would be politically prudent for RW to mend some fences here and to better communicate to its largest contingency (USGW Project), and if they do many of us will have little if anything to make any hasty decisions about. Hopefully, they will not wait too long to work on these issues. BTW, Lonnie, everyone is "open-minded" when they agree with us and "one-sided" or "closed-minded" when they don't! <grin> Right? <LOL> You have clearly shown that you are still weighing the evidence as we all should do and do so according to our own needs. JGW At 01:10 AM 6/12/99 -0500, Lonnie Fink wrote: >Hi Sue, > > It's getting late and I have to get to bed. But After visiting the Chat >page and listening to a lot of important other people, You might wish to >contact "Betty Sellers" <kyseeker@dynasty.net> the INGEN State coordinator >and email her privately and learn all sides of the story! She is better >informed than I. It's pretty hard to explain, but several complaints about >the ROOTSWEBS Cluster pages came out. I hope I didn't get them messed up! > >1) Only Indiana Counties on Rootsweb were included in the Cluster page >links ( 36 IN counties were not included) > >2) The Rootsweb cluster pages called the County page location Genealogy >sites not their true name INGENWEB site. URL locations were people spend >much time and effort to develop and create! It's a matter of Respect and >protecting whats ours. Appearances are important! > >3) ANd probably them Rootsweb not asking us before they did this didn't >help matters! > >Betty at this time is not forcing the issue at this time! And letting the >CC make the decision about moving off Rootsweb. Tomorrow is another day >however. > >I am sure there is probably other gripes just can't think of them. And each >of them seem to have validity and importance including the ones above!! > >No matter what comes of it, I will stay with INGENWEB even if I have to >pull my pages off ROOTSWEB. It's important to me that I stay associated >with INGENWEB. > >Each of us must make our own decision about Rootsweb until directed otherwise! > >I have CC this to everyone I sent my original email to. So that whatever >waves I had made previously that this letter will also travel the same path. > >Many people felt from My previous email, that I was very oneside and that >my opinion was concrete, but Opinions can change and should change if >enough evidence is presented to change them. I do not wish people to think >and some now do that no matter what they say I won't change my opinion >because it AIN"T so! I will have to think what was said some more and >reevaluate what I value and most important to me, in this matter so that i >take the course that best suits me. Each of us must do this daily! > >Good nite! > >lonnie > > >Lonnie Fink >lonfink@dmrtc.net >Clark County INGENWEB County Coordinator! ><http://www.dmrtc.net/~lonfink/wifeme.html> >SAR# 151923 Approved 4/30/99 > > >

-----Original Message----- From: diane k <skunk@coastalnet.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Help! Info needed! >Linda, why are you so angry at the people who incorporated usgenweb, inc. > >I can't see where they did anything as underhanded as what RW has been doing >with this Project for sometime now. No one has operated more stealthly >than RW in its quiet takeover of the UsGenWEb Project. > >All I can see is 1000's of manhours of work donated by volunteers for a >worthy idealistic cause, but all going to make RW a viable For-profit >business. I would say we have been betrayed wolves in hippie clothing. >Brian must be laughing himself silly! > >Who dragged in the Trojan horse? It reminds me of Kruschev when he told >America, "we will destroy you from within." > >Well, Project volunteers--are you ready to "accept the consequences" offered >up by RW? Hmmmm, that part kinda reminds me of NATO...... > >diane > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Russell Lewis <cityslic@ix.netcom.com> >To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 2:42 AM >Subject: Re: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Help! Info needed! > > >>Billie R. McNamara wrote: >> >>> And, to answer your question #6, Rootsquest is one of several servers >that >>> will happily take USGenWeb and surname accounts. Rootsquest has >repeatedly >>> stated that it will house USGenWeb county and state accounts and mailing >>> lists free of charge. Its charge for surname sites and mailing lists is >>> extraordinarily minimal. >> >>The same people that secretly incorporated USGenWeb, Inc. as a >>for-profit corporation in December 1997?? Are they also the same ones >>that claimed they controlled The USGenWeb Project because they owned >>usgenweb.com? (which they didn't own, btw) The same people mentioned at: >> >>http://www.usgenweb.org/official/usgenwebinc.html ? >> >>Linda >> >> >>==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >>The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. >> >> >> > > >==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. >

In a message dated 99-06-12 02:11:37 EDT, you write: << No matter what comes of it, I will stay with INGENWEB even if I have to pull my pages off ROOTSWEB. It's important to me that I stay associated with INGENWEB. >> I second this motion! Although only my querie and obit pages are on Rootsweb, I would pull them if necessary. I have spent an incredible amount of time contributing to INGENWEB as a "family" project. If Rootsweb is truly what it claims, if they truly want to offer resources - how come Marion county isn't linked to them? In fact, if you connect to their Marion county link you get a message that NO Marion county resources are available. You don't even get the queries & obits. Cheryl Trowbridge-Taylor

Hi Sue, It's getting late and I have to get to bed. But After visiting the Chat page and listening to a lot of important other people, You might wish to contact "Betty Sellers" <kyseeker@dynasty.net> the INGEN State coordinator and email her privately and learn all sides of the story! She is better informed than I. It's pretty hard to explain, but several complaints about the ROOTSWEBS Cluster pages came out. I hope I didn't get them messed up! 1) Only Indiana Counties on Rootsweb were included in the Cluster page links ( 36 IN counties were not included) 2) The Rootsweb cluster pages called the County page location Genealogy sites not their true name INGENWEB site. URL locations were people spend much time and effort to develop and create! It's a matter of Respect and protecting whats ours. Appearances are important! 3) ANd probably them Rootsweb not asking us before they did this didn't help matters! Betty at this time is not forcing the issue at this time! And letting the CC make the decision about moving off Rootsweb. Tomorrow is another day however. I am sure there is probably other gripes just can't think of them. And each of them seem to have validity and importance including the ones above!! No matter what comes of it, I will stay with INGENWEB even if I have to pull my pages off ROOTSWEB. It's important to me that I stay associated with INGENWEB. Each of us must make our own decision about Rootsweb until directed otherwise! I have CC this to everyone I sent my original email to. So that whatever waves I had made previously that this letter will also travel the same path. Many people felt from My previous email, that I was very oneside and that my opinion was concrete, but Opinions can change and should change if enough evidence is presented to change them. I do not wish people to think and some now do that no matter what they say I won't change my opinion because it AIN"T so! I will have to think what was said some more and reevaluate what I value and most important to me, in this matter so that i take the course that best suits me. Each of us must do this daily! Good nite! lonnie Lonnie Fink lonfink@dmrtc.net Clark County INGENWEB County Coordinator! <http://www.dmrtc.net/~lonfink/wifeme.html> SAR# 151923 Approved 4/30/99

Hello Lonnie - As the SC for Indiana - I'd like to invite you to the chat room we are having this evening at http://www.twobees.com/chat/ingen_chat.htm. It would be nice to hear your view and you might find out we aren't as bad as what you think. Anyone else care to join the invitation is open.. -----Original Message----- From: Lonnie Fink <lonfink@dmrtc.net> To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:22 PM Subject: ROOTSWEB County Cluster pages!!!- My opinion! >At 08:52 PM 1/11/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Are you taking your county page off Rootsweb? What is all the fuss >>about, anyway? >> >>Sue >>Carpenter > >Hi Sue, > > I decided to CC this to INGEN-L to let others know My opinion about it! >Everyone has an opinon!!! > > I didn't read the INGEN-L so didn't know what the uproar was about!! ><Grin> Once in hundred- it got me!! oops!! > I went back in my TRASH and read the comments. > >Basically as I see it ROOTSWEB has put up County Clusters to provide >resources that are on their servers for all the counties in the USA. > >Some feel in IN(US)GENWEB this a direct competition and even a stab in the >back as a way to take over the web resources for all the counties from >INGENWEB. Some People in IN(US)GENWEB beleive that they own ALL the rights >to provide those resources. BUT THAT ain't so!! >There are other Genealogy oriented organizations doing the exact same >thing! just not in the exact same way!! > >However, I feel Rootsweb County Clusters is just another way to provide an >avenue( just another Link)!! for people to locate info on the county. Thus >After reading what was going on I went ahead and suscribed to the ROOTSWEB >COUNTY CLUSTER to be the coordinator for their COUNTY Cluster page for >Clark Co,IN. I will ADD a link to the COUNTY Cluster page from my INGENWEB >page to allow our visitor and easy avenue(LINK) to additional resources!!!!! > >No, I won't pull my page from ROOTSWEB As I feel it is a free way to supply >space for my web page. However, each CC has the right to place their County >on almost any family oriented ISP. ( Not Adult content sites those just >don't agree with the goals of IN(US)GENWEB) > > >You can see those ROOTSWEB County Cluster pages for Floyd Co,IN at : > >http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/IN/Floyd/ > > >You can become the coordinator for Floyd Co,IN site by filling out this form! > >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/clusters/adoptcounty.html > >You don't have to do either if you don't want too!! > > >This email may make some people mad, ( Email me privately) for others it >may make it a little clearer what my opinion is on what is going on. And >hopefully help them decide what their opinion is!! Either way they decide >is okay way with me because that's the why the world turns!! > >Hope this helps!! > >Lonnie > > > > > >Lonnie Fink >lonfink@dmrtc.net >Clark County INGENWEB County Coordinator! ><http://www.dmrtc.net/~lonfink/wifeme.html> >SAR# 151923 Approved 4/30/99 >

Quote below this message is from the Genealogy.com web site. They are the host (owner???) now of GenForum. Genealogy.com is part of The Learning Company which owns Family Tree Maker. (Please note I added the stars to highlight parts of the post.) The Indiana State site there has hundreds of posts and lots of queries dealing with named counties. No one seems upset about this development. Another group is also busy setting up State and County sites and no one (except me) seems to be upset about that either . Soooo, I guess, even after reading all the posts about what Rootsweb may or may not do - now and in the future - I can't get upset about county clusters at Rootsweb. I opted to adopt the cluster for Scott. (Just as I opted to adopt a surname cluster when it became available.) The GenConnect buttons already connect to my boards, Opal still owns the mail list which I never used, preferring Dee's Kentuckiana for it's regional coverage. What did I have to lose? Nothing that I can see. What do I have to gain? Perhaps more traffic to the site and maybe a visit from someone with information to share! We can discuss it til the cows come home and it won't change anything. The clusters exist! Each individual has to do what is most comfortable for them ....period! Pat > Search for Family - Learn About Genealogy - Helpful Web Sites - Message Boards - Guest Book - Home > > About GenForum Message Boards > > At GenForum, the Internet's largest genealogy message board site, you can: > > Look for others researching the same family lines > Swap research tips > Help others look up records in your county > Search for hard-to-find data > Enjoy the great benefits of genealogists working together! > > GenForum is easy to use and completely free. You can access over 16,000 forums devoted to specific surnames,** states**, countries, and general topics. ***We will create a forum for any U.S. county you request. (Got that folks? ANYONE can request a county forum for ANY US county.) > > Because GenForum is the Internet's largest genealogy message board, more people will read your message, and your chances for finding your ancestors and long-lost cousins are higher. Try it out today -- you'll soon find it's a regular part of your research! > > Search for Family - Learn About Genealogy - Helpful Web Sites - Message Boards - Guest Book - Home > > © Copyright 1996-99, The Learning Company, Inc., and its subsidiaries. All rights reserved. (THIS IS FAMILY TREE MAKER! )H

At 08:52 PM 1/11/99 -0800, you wrote: >Are you taking your county page off Rootsweb? What is all the fuss >about, anyway? > >Sue >Carpenter Hi Sue, I decided to CC this to INGEN-L to let others know My opinion about it! Everyone has an opinon!!! I didn't read the INGEN-L so didn't know what the uproar was about!! <Grin> Once in hundred- it got me!! oops!! I went back in my TRASH and read the comments. Basically as I see it ROOTSWEB has put up County Clusters to provide resources that are on their servers for all the counties in the USA. Some feel in IN(US)GENWEB this a direct competition and even a stab in the back as a way to take over the web resources for all the counties from INGENWEB. Some People in IN(US)GENWEB beleive that they own ALL the rights to provide those resources. BUT THAT ain't so!! There are other Genealogy oriented organizations doing the exact same thing! just not in the exact same way!! However, I feel Rootsweb County Clusters is just another way to provide an avenue( just another Link)!! for people to locate info on the county. Thus After reading what was going on I went ahead and suscribed to the ROOTSWEB COUNTY CLUSTER to be the coordinator for their COUNTY Cluster page for Clark Co,IN. I will ADD a link to the COUNTY Cluster page from my INGENWEB page to allow our visitor and easy avenue(LINK) to additional resources!!!!! No, I won't pull my page from ROOTSWEB As I feel it is a free way to supply space for my web page. However, each CC has the right to place their County on almost any family oriented ISP. ( Not Adult content sites those just don't agree with the goals of IN(US)GENWEB) You can see those ROOTSWEB County Cluster pages for Floyd Co,IN at : http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/IN/Floyd/ You can become the coordinator for Floyd Co,IN site by filling out this form! http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/clusters/adoptcounty.html You don't have to do either if you don't want too!! This email may make some people mad, ( Email me privately) for others it may make it a little clearer what my opinion is on what is going on. And hopefully help them decide what their opinion is!! Either way they decide is okay way with me because that's the why the world turns!! Hope this helps!! Lonnie Lonnie Fink lonfink@dmrtc.net Clark County INGENWEB County Coordinator! <http://www.dmrtc.net/~lonfink/wifeme.html> SAR# 151923 Approved 4/30/99