I'm very sorry about the confusion I created with my last e-mail. I inadvertantly left off the last two digits of the URL for my photos web site, therefore sending you all on a wild goose chase! The real address is: http://www.geocities.com/gostraka82 Surnames included on this site are BAER, CARLSON, COHEE, CORNS, DOKE, FISHER, FLEMING, HICKOK, HUMPHREYS, KLUTZKE, PLATT, REUZENAAR, ROSS, SUTTON, and several unknown. These pictures were taken in various places around Indiana, including Tippecanoe, Montgomery, and Clinton Counties. Some of the photos were taken in California. Also on this web site I have photographs of gravestones from 16 cemeteries, and photographs of family residences in the same areas. Please take a look and good luck finding your ancestors! I'd be glad to hear any suggestions or comments you have. ===== ____0- /\_ |\ \ /_ |_ \_0 ______________________ BEWARE OF THE PENGUINS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

? All I could find was a bunch of hockey pictures. :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena Carlson" <gostraka@yahoo.com> To: <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: [INGEN] Indiana Photograph Web Site > I have put together a web site full of photographs of > people with surnames BAER, CARLSON, COHEE, CORNS, > DOKE, FISHER, FLEMING, HICKOK, HUMPHREYS, KLUTZKE, > PLATT, REUZENAAR, ROSS, SUTTON, and several unknown. > These pictures were taken in various places around > Indiana, including Tippecanoe, Montgomery, and Clinton > Counties. Some of the photos were taken in > California. > Also on this web site I have photographs of > gravestones from 16 cemeteries, and photographs of > family residences in the same areas. > > http://www.geocities.com/gostraka > > Please take a look and good luck finding your > ancestors! I'd be glad to hear any suggestions or > comments you have. > > ===== > ____0- > /\_ > |\ \ > /_ |_ \_0 > ______________________ > BEWARE OF THE PENGUINS > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== INGEN Mailing List ==== > The INGENWEB hosts for all counties in Indiana are on this list. > They may be able to help you with your elusive ancestor. > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

I have put together a web site full of photographs of people with surnames BAER, CARLSON, COHEE, CORNS, DOKE, FISHER, FLEMING, HICKOK, HUMPHREYS, KLUTZKE, PLATT, REUZENAAR, ROSS, SUTTON, and several unknown. These pictures were taken in various places around Indiana, including Tippecanoe, Montgomery, and Clinton Counties. Some of the photos were taken in California. Also on this web site I have photographs of gravestones from 16 cemeteries, and photographs of family residences in the same areas. http://www.geocities.com/gostraka Please take a look and good luck finding your ancestors! I'd be glad to hear any suggestions or comments you have. ===== ____0- /\_ |\ \ /_ |_ \_0 ______________________ BEWARE OF THE PENGUINS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

Genealogy researching the KELTZ-BUNTIN-CLEM-families in Marshall County,Indiana in the 1800s,/ KELTZ-CLEM-CHRISMAN-ROBERTS-RIGSBY-families in Vermillion County,Indiana 1800s, / WALKER-WILLS-CARRUTHERS-families in Knox,Sullivan,Gibson Counties in the 1800s, /and the SANDERS-WILLIAMS-CASEY-DIXON- FORNEY-CALVIN-families in Posey County,Indiana., please contact-James Anthony*Tony*Keltz,Sr. at 445 Belmont Ave. Wilmington,Ohio U.S.A. 45177-2824 Ph(937)382-7744 or E-mail tonykeltzsr@webtv.net / thanks for any information,P.S.-looking forward to hearing from new long lost cousins. http://community.webtv.net/tonykeltzsr/KELTZrelated

Hi everyone! My name is Marty Goodson, live in Hayden, Idaho, have been doing genealogy for about 3 years actively. Surnames researching: HALL, REIFSTECK, NORTON, SJORDAL, DOUGLAS, KAISER, CASSIDY, WEAVER, MANFRED, TENNESON, to start with. I am looking for any information on the Reifstecks who might have traveled to Wisconsin. Charlotte Reifsteck was born to parents who were from Montana (father) & Illinois (mother). But I have been corresponding with someone from Indiana who gave me the impression that the majority of Reifstecks came from the Indiana area. For whatever reason, Charlotte Reifsteck was in Idaho in 1918 when she married my grandfather, Alva Hall. The 1920 census showed she was 31 years of age, (birthdate would have been around 1889), she died supposedly in 1923 somewhere between Idaho & Wisconsin, since my grandfather & my grandmother had my father in Wisconsin in 1928. Also, for those who may be looking for some Reifstecks, the following are listed under Grand View Cemetery, Boundary County, Idaho: Charles Reifsteck 1892 - 1966 Gertrude M 1895 - 1951 Grace Marie 1928 - 1929 J. A. 1876 - 1937 Louis P. 1876 - 1937 Mary Madeline 1918 - 1963 Signe 1870 - 1963 Thanks for anyone who can give me a new direction. Any help needed for northern Idaho or for Spokane, WA, please ask! Marty ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

Hello list, We are back to find out more about our family lines from various parts of the country and around the world. We would also like to share our family lines with other possible family members that we have not had contact with. Please take a moment to visit The Genealogy Home of Dennis and Lisa Stein at http://www.chesapeake.net/~dstein/Index.htm Listing the following SURNAMES: ABBOTT, BEAN, BYERLY, COMBS, CURTIS, DANIELS, DELILAH, DEMENT, DUNN, EFFINGER, ELLIS, FREEMAN, GARRETT, GILLARD, GOULD, HAMMOND, HICKS, HOLLENBECK, LORD, LUX, MCMACPEAK, MERIDAY, NORRIS, PILKERTON, REDMAN, STEIN, STINE, STROUD, WALLACE, and more from various parts of the country and around the world. Please email us if you would like, let us know what you think of our Genealogy Web Site. Have a Great Weekend! Looking forward to hearing from you! Warm Regards, Dennis W. Stein dstein@chesapeake.net Visit The Genealogy Home of Dennis and Lisa Stein at: http://www.chesapeake.net/~dstein/Index.htm Visit The Genealogical Standards recommended by, The National Genealogical Society at: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comstandards.htm

Hello everyone, I know this is futile, but I am trying again. :-) I am searching for the parents of William A. Wilson, born in (I believe, Clark County) Indiana in around 1881, married several times, first to a Paralee Stodghill (before 1908), and died in Arkansas in 1953. I have been told he was an only child, so I feel, with 1890 census records gone, I will never find his parents. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Diana List mom for the ACHOR, ARKANSAS, ESSEX, LAKEY, OBER, SHATSWELL, STODGHILL, VIOLIN-MAKERS, and WORZ mailing lists philsbarbie@cei.net

I am looking for information on my Great Grandfather William S. Wolf Sr. He was born on April 7, 1887, I believe in Connersville, Fayette County, Indiana. He died on May 12, 1965. He married Julia K. in Wayne County, Indiana in 1909. They had a son William Jr. who was born on January 2, 1924 and died on August 12, 1990. If anyone could give me some help on this branch of my family tree, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks Sabrina

I stand corrected. The author of "The Storytellers" was Tom Dunn. Many thanks to Pat Mount, CC of Scott County, Indiana for spotting it. Esse __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

The Story Tellers..... We are the chosen. In each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. Doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. we are the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called, as it were, by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story. So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family you would be proud of us? How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do the things I do. It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying I can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that the fathers fought and some died to make and keep us a Nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. It is of equal pride and love that our mothers struggled to give us birth, without them we could not exist, and so we love each one, as far back as we can reach. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are they and they are the sum of who we are. So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take my place in the long line of family storytellers. (Unknown Author) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

Seeking information on Welcome Tuxford who died March 1972 Alexandria,Madison,In, or any other TUXFORD family member please contact Bob Tuxford Rtuxford@aol.com

Message contains corrected registration deadline. > Indiana Historical Society to Host Genealogy Research Workshops > > Indianapolis - The Indiana Historical Society will host two genealogy > workshops on August 24 and 25 from 9 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. Betty Warren, > president of the Indiana Genealogical Society, will present the > programs on unlocking your family's past. Warren will discuss the > reference tools needed for family history research and a reference > librarian from the Indiana State Library Genealogy Division will be > on-hand to review specific resources available in the genealogy > division. The workshop will also incorporate discussions on records > and documents including family sources, census, cemetery and church > records. > > The same material will be presented both days so participants should > choose to attend only one day. The cost to attend the workshop is > $30; $20 for IHS members; $15 for students aged eighteen or younger. > Registration is limited and the registration deadline is August 10. > To registration call (317) 233-5659, email > csorensen@indianahistory.org, or visit the IHS website at > www.indianahistory.org for a copy of the workshop brochure. > > Since 1830, the Indiana Historical Society has collected, preserved, > interpreted and disseminated Indiana history. The independent, > nonprofit organization also publishes books and periodicals; makes > research grants; sponsors teacher workshops; provides youth, adult and > family programming; and assists local historical groups throughout the > state. One of the oldest historical societies in the United States, > the Indiana Historical Society has more than 11,000 members, making it > the third largest historical society in the country.

Indiana Historical Society to Host Genealogy Research Workshops Indianapolis - The Indiana Historical Society will host two genealogy workshops on August 24 and 25 from 9 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. Betty Warren, president of the Indiana Genealogical Society, will present the programs on unlocking your family's past. Warren will discuss the reference tools needed for family history research and a reference librarian from the Indiana State Library Genealogy Division will be on-hand to review specific resources available in the genealogy division. The workshop will also incorporate discussions on records and documents including family sources, census, cemetery and church records. The same material will be presented both days so participants should choose to attend only one day. The cost to attend the workshop is $30; $20 for IHS members; $15 for students aged eighteen or younger. Seating is limited and early registration is encouraged. Registration is limited and the registration deadline is June 29. To registration call (317) 233-5659, email csorensen@indianahistory.org, or visit the IHS website at www.indianahistory.org for a copy of the workshop brochure. Since 1830, the Indiana Historical Society has collected, preserved, interpreted and disseminated Indiana history. The independent, nonprofit organization also publishes books and periodicals; makes research grants; sponsors teacher workshops; provides youth, adult and family programming; and assists local historical groups throughout the state. One of the oldest historical societies in the United States, the Indiana Historical Society has more than 11,000 members, making it the third largest historical society in the country.

Linda; Notified by who? has your SC (if you are a CC of Indiana) said anything on your state list? This is a mailing list dealing with Indiana Genweb issues. If a person who uses ancestry.com for information on what used to be on the genconnect boards, they need to know exactly what is being done to have them access the boards. This was on the All-list for the CC and SC of the UGW Project. I am passing this on for others to see and know what is happening. Esse --- Linda Hedlund <treesearcher@rushmore.com> wrote: > If this is true, why weren't we notified?? > > Linda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Esse Frye" <elfen87@yahoo.com> > To: <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:36 PM > Subject: [INGEN] Ancestry.com cookies > > > > To all listers; > > > > This is important to all who access ancestry.com > and > > the new boards that was formerly Genconnect. > > > > Rootsweb has veridied that it is a bad bug and > nothing > > can be done about it. they are working on it at > this > > time. > > > > > ....................................................... > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:25 AM > > Subject: [ALL-L] Fwd: RE: Accessing Ancestry and > > Surname Boards > > > > > > Forwarded with Sheryl's permission - > > > > Carol > > > > > > I think everyone should understand a little about > what > > is being > > required for you to access the former RootsWeb and > now > > Ancestry > > message boards. We should all understand what we > are > > doing. > > > > Ancestry requires 11 cookies (excessive for any > web > > site) to be > > placed on your computer before you can access > their > > home page. > > You > > may decline these 11 if you have your browser set > to > > ask you > > first. You will be asked to accept another 11 if > you > > click on the > > Message Boards link that takes you to the Message > > Board home > > page. > > If you decline those, you will NOT be permitted to > > access the > > Message Boards. (That means any of your list/board > > users who have > > their computers set to reject cookies will not be > able > > to use the > > boards-PERIOD). You do have the option to set your > > browser to > > accept only per-session cookies, which will > eliminate > > SOME of the > > advertiser tracking. > > > > Some of the cookies Ancestry uses involve your > userid > > (dated to > > stay on your computer until Dec 31, 2020), others > are > > coded to be > > removed from your computer at the end of your > session > > on the web > > site. BUT, at the present, Ancestry uses two of > the > > major > > Internet > > advertising agencies to track consumer > preferences, > > and there are > > some major problems here: > > > > 1) Ancestry uses DoubleClick and AdForce to track > and > > customize > > their advertising. Both these companies plant a > cookie > > in your > > computer that generally stays for years and tracks > you > > (generally > > by code number, not name) anywhere on the internet > > where their > > company handles placing ads. They compile a > cumulative > > profile on > > each individual user. On any of those sites, > > DoubleClick will > > know > > it is you (personally) every click of the way. > > > > 2) Because of pressure from public outcry and the > > Government, > > both > > of these companies have adopted policies where you > can > > opt out of > > having a tracking cookie by having it replaced > with a > > "dummy" > > cookie. They advise all companies who use their > > advertising to > > let > > their consumers know they use the company to track > > their > > advertising trends, that the consumer can opt out > of > > being > > tracked, and advise the company to attach a link > to > > the > > advertising company's Privacy Policy page where > > consumers can opt > > out. Ancestry has chosen not to do this at this > time. > > I don't > > know > > whether this is a conscious choice or oversight. > > > > 3) There are some major problems with the > potential > > for abuse by > > these companies. Please read the CNET news article > on > > DoubleClick > > below. > > > > I urge everyone to let your posters know if they > use > > Ancestry as > > it is now, they are being tracked with all it's > > inherent dangers > > (educate yourselves at TopClick.com). Also, those > > users who do > > not > > permit cookies to be installed into their > computers > > are being > > turned away at the doors, just as when the policy > was > > that you > > MUST log in to use the boards. This is a rare > policy > > on the > > internet, especially for the type of service > Ancestry > > provides. > > > > It's time to ask loudly for more changes. They > > listened on the > > log-in issue, maybe they will on this one also. > You > > can make your > > feelings known by sending an e-mail to > > webmaster@rootsweb.com. > > Make the first word of your subject line: LISTEN > and > > it will get > > delivered to administration who makes the > decisions. > > I'm not > > trying to stir up trouble here or badmouth > Ancestry. > > I'm going to > > give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that > > they haven't > > looked at all sides of this issue and are willing > to > > listen to > > what we, their volunteer leadership, have to say. > I > > have sent a > > personal appeal to the webmaster and am copying > them > > on this post > > also. > > > > --Sheryl Neal Slaughter > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

If this is true, why weren't we notified?? Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esse Frye" <elfen87@yahoo.com> To: <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: [INGEN] Ancestry.com cookies > To all listers; > > This is important to all who access ancestry.com and > the new boards that was formerly Genconnect. > > Rootsweb has veridied that it is a bad bug and nothing > can be done about it. they are working on it at this > time. > > ....................................................... > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:25 AM > Subject: [ALL-L] Fwd: RE: Accessing Ancestry and > Surname Boards > > > Forwarded with Sheryl's permission - > > Carol > > > I think everyone should understand a little about what > is being > required for you to access the former RootsWeb and now > Ancestry > message boards. We should all understand what we are > doing. > > Ancestry requires 11 cookies (excessive for any web > site) to be > placed on your computer before you can access their > home page. > You > may decline these 11 if you have your browser set to > ask you > first. You will be asked to accept another 11 if you > click on the > Message Boards link that takes you to the Message > Board home > page. > If you decline those, you will NOT be permitted to > access the > Message Boards. (That means any of your list/board > users who have > their computers set to reject cookies will not be able > to use the > boards-PERIOD). You do have the option to set your > browser to > accept only per-session cookies, which will eliminate > SOME of the > advertiser tracking. > > Some of the cookies Ancestry uses involve your userid > (dated to > stay on your computer until Dec 31, 2020), others are > coded to be > removed from your computer at the end of your session > on the web > site. BUT, at the present, Ancestry uses two of the > major > Internet > advertising agencies to track consumer preferences, > and there are > some major problems here: > > 1) Ancestry uses DoubleClick and AdForce to track and > customize > their advertising. Both these companies plant a cookie > in your > computer that generally stays for years and tracks you > (generally > by code number, not name) anywhere on the internet > where their > company handles placing ads. They compile a cumulative > profile on > each individual user. On any of those sites, > DoubleClick will > know > it is you (personally) every click of the way. > > 2) Because of pressure from public outcry and the > Government, > both > of these companies have adopted policies where you can > opt out of > having a tracking cookie by having it replaced with a > "dummy" > cookie. They advise all companies who use their > advertising to > let > their consumers know they use the company to track > their > advertising trends, that the consumer can opt out of > being > tracked, and advise the company to attach a link to > the > advertising company's Privacy Policy page where > consumers can opt > out. Ancestry has chosen not to do this at this time. > I don't > know > whether this is a conscious choice or oversight. > > 3) There are some major problems with the potential > for abuse by > these companies. Please read the CNET news article on > DoubleClick > below. > > I urge everyone to let your posters know if they use > Ancestry as > it is now, they are being tracked with all it's > inherent dangers > (educate yourselves at TopClick.com). Also, those > users who do > not > permit cookies to be installed into their computers > are being > turned away at the doors, just as when the policy was > that you > MUST log in to use the boards. This is a rare policy > on the > internet, especially for the type of service Ancestry > provides. > > It's time to ask loudly for more changes. They > listened on the > log-in issue, maybe they will on this one also. You > can make your > feelings known by sending an e-mail to > webmaster@rootsweb.com. > Make the first word of your subject line: LISTEN and > it will get > delivered to administration who makes the decisions. > I'm not > trying to stir up trouble here or badmouth Ancestry. > I'm going to > give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that > they haven't > looked at all sides of this issue and are willing to > listen to > what we, their volunteer leadership, have to say. I > have sent a > personal appeal to the webmaster and am copying them > on this post > also. > > --Sheryl Neal Slaughter > > Here are excerpts from an article from CNET News.com > on > DoubleClick: > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > - > --------- > DoubleClick seeks input on new policy > By Stefanie Olsen > Staff Writer, CNET News.com > June 4, 2001, 4:35 p.m. PT > > New York-based DoubleClick, the Web's biggest > advertising and ad > technology company, posted its new privacy policy last > week.... > With the new policy, DoubleClick does not promise to > change any > of > the practices that have drawn barbs from consumer > advocates such > as a controversial requirement that consumers "opt > out" of its > programs to avoid having data collected. But the > policy does > spell > out more clearly how it collects consumer data and > what it does > with that information. ... > > DoubleClick has been in the hot seat for privacy > issues for > nearly > a year and a half following its acquisition of Abacus > Direct, an > offline marketing company. Privacy advocates started > to bite > their > nails after the company announced plans to merge > offline consumer > profiles with data about online surfing habits. The > proposal > touched off a flurry of media attention and scrutiny > from > lawmakers about profiling practices on the Web.... > Despite the controversy, DoubleClick has said that it > plans to > launch an anonymous customer profile service, which > would gather > data about Web surfers and match it to offline data > from Abacus. > > Polonetsky said the company has received hundreds of > responses to > its new policy since it was posted Friday... One of > the most > barbed responses came in the form of an open letter > from > anti-spam > group Junkbusters. In the letter, Junkbusters > President Jason > Catlett dismissed the DoubleClick's claims of penness > as > propaganda. > > "I have repeatedly asked DoubleClick to show the 88 > million > Americans what is kept in Doubleclick's Abacus Direct > database > about them, and I have met with repeated refusal," > according to > Catlett's objections contained in the letter. > > "How could keeping billions of records in secret > electronic > dossiers constitute executing business in 'the most > open manner > possible?'" > > In the letter, Catlett asks for several revisions to > the policy, > including that DoubleClick obtain consumer consent > before > collecting data on an individual, or getting consumers > to "opt > in." He also asks that DoubleClick give consumers > access to the > data and the right to delete anything they so choose. > > DoubleClick's new policy outlines practices in its > revamped > e-mail > marketing business, which after two acquisitions, is > the largest > in the industry. The policy also tells consumers ow > they can opt > out of being tracked by cookies and how not to receive > catalogs > from Abacus. In addition, it gives consumers an idea > of what a > marketing profile looks like, but does not give access > to those > profiles. > > Richard Smith, chief technology officer of the > nonprofit Privacy > Foundation, said that he is still reviewing the policy > but that > it > "appears to be much more thorough than the older one." > However, > Smith said he "fundamentally disagrees" with the > consumers having > to opt out of data gathering practices by Internet > companies. > "If you're snooping on people, you've got to let them > know," > Smith > said. The Privacy Foundation and DoubleClick "will > have to agree > to disagree" on their opt-out policy, he said. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== INGEN Mailing List ==== > Reminder: Enter the name of the Indiana county in the posting to the > INGEN List. It may help find your ancestor sooner! > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Subject: Anti-gun Amendment Possible Tomorrow Gun Battle Expected in the House Tomorrow -- Please contact your Representative Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org (Monday, July 16, 2001) -- The anti-gun nuts are real angry with Attorney General John Ashcroft these days. Recently, Ashcroft reduced the amount of time that the FBI can keep "Brady" records on gun buyers to a mere 24 hours. Well, the Brady Bunch wants the government to hang on to that gun-buyer registration information for at least 90 days. So Sarah Brady is backing an amendment which anti-gun Rep. James Moran (D-VA) is expected to offer tomorrow. The provision, requiring the Justice Department to keep instant check records on gun buyers for 90 days, would amend the Commerce-Justice-State appropriations bill. That bill is still unnumbered. [The best answer to the Moran amendment would be legislation by Rep. Joel Hefley (R-CO). His bill, H.R. 1460, would actually go farther than the Ashcroft position by requiring the "immediate destruction" of ANY and ALL information that might help identify lawful gun buyers.] ACTION: Please contact your Representative and ask him or her to oppose the Moran amendment which would require the FBI to keep background check information for 90 days. Ask your Representative to support any legislative provision that would require the "immediate destruction" of Brady registration records. You can call your Representative at 1-877-762-8762 (toll free) or at 202-225-3121. To identify your Representative, see the Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA website. NOTE: There is an outside chance that Rep. Moran will run into procedural roadblocks that would prevent him from offering his anti-gun amendment. Regardless, it never hurts for your Representative to hear from you on this issue. ************** Attention Pro-gun Business Owners! The GOA webmall, expected to open near the end of next month, will allow merchants to sell guns, ammo, and firearms-related merchandise through the GOA website. Best of all, there are NO up-front costs to vendors -- and NO ongoing account fees. For details on how your business can become a part of this ground-breaking enterprise, please contact GOA via e-mail at goamail@gunowners.org or by fax at 703-321-8408. ************** Please do not reply directly to this message, as your reply will bounce back as undeliverable. To subscribe to free, low-volume GOA alerts, go to http://www.gunowners.org/ean.htm on the web. Change of e-mail address may also be made at that location. To unsubscribe send a message to gunowners_members@mailmanager.net with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Problems, questions or comments? The main GOA e-mail address goamail@gunowners.org is at your disposal. Please do not add that address to distribution lists sending more than ten messages per week or lists associated with issues other than gun rights.

This does not belong on this list. Perhaps it was sent in error. :Please folks, let's restrict our posts to genealogy ONLY. Thank you. List Mom Barb > > Subject: Anti-gun Amendment Possible Tomorrow > Gun Battle Expected in the House Tomorrow > -- Please contact your Representative > >

To all listers; This is important to all who access ancestry.com and the new boards that was formerly Genconnect. Rootsweb has veridied that it is a bad bug and nothing can be done about it. they are working on it at this time. ....................................................... Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: [ALL-L] Fwd: RE: Accessing Ancestry and Surname Boards Forwarded with Sheryl's permission - Carol I think everyone should understand a little about what is being required for you to access the former RootsWeb and now Ancestry message boards. We should all understand what we are doing. Ancestry requires 11 cookies (excessive for any web site) to be placed on your computer before you can access their home page. You may decline these 11 if you have your browser set to ask you first. You will be asked to accept another 11 if you click on the Message Boards link that takes you to the Message Board home page. If you decline those, you will NOT be permitted to access the Message Boards. (That means any of your list/board users who have their computers set to reject cookies will not be able to use the boards-PERIOD). You do have the option to set your browser to accept only per-session cookies, which will eliminate SOME of the advertiser tracking. Some of the cookies Ancestry uses involve your userid (dated to stay on your computer until Dec 31, 2020), others are coded to be removed from your computer at the end of your session on the web site. BUT, at the present, Ancestry uses two of the major Internet advertising agencies to track consumer preferences, and there are some major problems here: 1) Ancestry uses DoubleClick and AdForce to track and customize their advertising. Both these companies plant a cookie in your computer that generally stays for years and tracks you (generally by code number, not name) anywhere on the internet where their company handles placing ads. They compile a cumulative profile on each individual user. On any of those sites, DoubleClick will know it is you (personally) every click of the way. 2) Because of pressure from public outcry and the Government, both of these companies have adopted policies where you can opt out of having a tracking cookie by having it replaced with a "dummy" cookie. They advise all companies who use their advertising to let their consumers know they use the company to track their advertising trends, that the consumer can opt out of being tracked, and advise the company to attach a link to the advertising company's Privacy Policy page where consumers can opt out. Ancestry has chosen not to do this at this time. I don't know whether this is a conscious choice or oversight. 3) There are some major problems with the potential for abuse by these companies. Please read the CNET news article on DoubleClick below. I urge everyone to let your posters know if they use Ancestry as it is now, they are being tracked with all it's inherent dangers (educate yourselves at TopClick.com). Also, those users who do not permit cookies to be installed into their computers are being turned away at the doors, just as when the policy was that you MUST log in to use the boards. This is a rare policy on the internet, especially for the type of service Ancestry provides. It's time to ask loudly for more changes. They listened on the log-in issue, maybe they will on this one also. You can make your feelings known by sending an e-mail to webmaster@rootsweb.com. Make the first word of your subject line: LISTEN and it will get delivered to administration who makes the decisions. I'm not trying to stir up trouble here or badmouth Ancestry. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they haven't looked at all sides of this issue and are willing to listen to what we, their volunteer leadership, have to say. I have sent a personal appeal to the webmaster and am copying them on this post also. --Sheryl Neal Slaughter Here are excerpts from an article from CNET News.com on DoubleClick: ----------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- DoubleClick seeks input on new policy By Stefanie Olsen Staff Writer, CNET News.com June 4, 2001, 4:35 p.m. PT New York-based DoubleClick, the Web's biggest advertising and ad technology company, posted its new privacy policy last week.... With the new policy, DoubleClick does not promise to change any of the practices that have drawn barbs from consumer advocates such as a controversial requirement that consumers "opt out" of its programs to avoid having data collected. But the policy does spell out more clearly how it collects consumer data and what it does with that information. ... DoubleClick has been in the hot seat for privacy issues for nearly a year and a half following its acquisition of Abacus Direct, an offline marketing company. Privacy advocates started to bite their nails after the company announced plans to merge offline consumer profiles with data about online surfing habits. The proposal touched off a flurry of media attention and scrutiny from lawmakers about profiling practices on the Web.... Despite the controversy, DoubleClick has said that it plans to launch an anonymous customer profile service, which would gather data about Web surfers and match it to offline data from Abacus. Polonetsky said the company has received hundreds of responses to its new policy since it was posted Friday... One of the most barbed responses came in the form of an open letter from anti-spam group Junkbusters. In the letter, Junkbusters President Jason Catlett dismissed the DoubleClick's claims of penness as propaganda. "I have repeatedly asked DoubleClick to show the 88 million Americans what is kept in Doubleclick's Abacus Direct database about them, and I have met with repeated refusal," according to Catlett's objections contained in the letter. "How could keeping billions of records in secret electronic dossiers constitute executing business in 'the most open manner possible?'" In the letter, Catlett asks for several revisions to the policy, including that DoubleClick obtain consumer consent before collecting data on an individual, or getting consumers to "opt in." He also asks that DoubleClick give consumers access to the data and the right to delete anything they so choose. DoubleClick's new policy outlines practices in its revamped e-mail marketing business, which after two acquisitions, is the largest in the industry. The policy also tells consumers ow they can opt out of being tracked by cookies and how not to receive catalogs from Abacus. In addition, it gives consumers an idea of what a marketing profile looks like, but does not give access to those profiles. Richard Smith, chief technology officer of the nonprofit Privacy Foundation, said that he is still reviewing the policy but that it "appears to be much more thorough than the older one." However, Smith said he "fundamentally disagrees" with the consumers having to opt out of data gathering practices by Internet companies. "If you're snooping on people, you've got to let them know," Smith said. The Privacy Foundation and DoubleClick "will have to agree to disagree" on their opt-out policy, he said. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

The new url for Vermillion Co is http://www.rootsweb.com/~invermil/ I'm looking forward to getting info up on this site. I've already had suggestions and submissions from the mailing list! Thanks to Kenna for allowing me to continue using the content she had up! I'd never have gotten the initial pages up so quickly otherwise. Pam Yates Vigo & Vermillion Counties

Hello List! I am looking for information on and any one related to : Blanche Bice, daughter of Moral L. Bice and Mary R. Lykins of Muncie IN. I believe Blance was born in Muncie about 1897. She married Earl Rush and had three children: Etta Jean, Mary Francis and Earl Rush Jr. Blanche is the half-sister of Dorothy "Arnett" Bice, also a daughter of Moral. Arnett married Jacob Hinty in Muncie. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Sincerely, Barbara Saginaw MI