>Resent-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:46:20 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:54:03 -0500 >From: "Ms. Piglet" <pigolit@ix.netcom.com> >Organization: USGenWeb >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) >Old-To: "SC list, USGW" <state-coord-l@rootsweb.com> >Old-CC: "Board, USGW" <board-l@rootsweb.com>, > USGW/ALL <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com>, > elections <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [BOARD-L] Status Report >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2104 >X-Loop: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: BOARD-L-request@rootsweb.com > >(this is for forwarding to cc's) > >The Board has the draft version of the bylaws pretty well tuned; we will >be meeting in IRC in the early part of next week to make sure that we >have all the bugs out of it, and then it will be posted later next week >so that folks can comment/discuss/whatever. After everybody gets done >discussing them, they'll get voted on---without knowing how active the >discussion will be, we can't set a firm date for that vote yet; it'd be >nice if it could be at the same time as the election, if we can work >that out. > >Dale has the election software just about warmed up as well. Probably >in late May or early June we'll have a test run of the software, using a >real issue (most likely whether or not each region needs two cc reps, >rather than one). > >Then during most of the month of June (up to about the 25th), we'll be >accepting nominations for CC reps, SC reps, and NC. That last little >bit of June will be to ensure the election committee has time to verify >candidates (make sure they really hold the position they've been >nominated to represent; make sure they'd be willing to serve if elected) >and to permit the candidates to write a blurb about themselves for the >website committee to post online, so that folks can learn about the >various candidates. > >Then during July, we will have the actual election. The voting period >will likely be the entire month, because of vacation season; very few if >any voters are assumed to be planning to be out of contact with email >for the entire month of July. (Should you be an exception, please >contact Dale (maddoc@rootsweb.com) to see if you can work out a way to >vote in advance or something.) > >The month of August is planned as a transition period, to allow the new >folks to get a feel for what their job entails and work with the >outgoing folks; then September first they're on their own.<G> > >megan >-- >Megan Zurawicz, National Coordinator USGenWeb >pigolit@ix.netcom.com * cochonnet@aol.com >

Don't have much new news but thought I better let everyone that I'm still here. We do have two new volunteers tho, Collin Garrett is working on Putnam and John Ballard has taken over Decatur, and of course Cheryl Trowbridge-Taylor is back doing Marion.That leaves only Bartholomew County needing a host and we will be back to 100 per cent since Dave decided to keep Dearborn and Ohio. Well, I guess I will go for now, be sure to let me know if you need anything. Later...........Fred

Sam Cline wrote: > > You should, if you haven't already, take a look at the following page: > I put the link on our website last Monday and have received lots of positive email from the link. Personally I've found dozens of land patents for my family and have browsed several dozen more. It's wonderful that the government has a site that actualy has a lot of valuable information on it, and it's great that Indiana was one of the first states that they decided to put online. -- Tom Agan Orange County USGENWEB Coordinator

You should, if you haven't already, take a look at the following page: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ Sam Cline

If anyone out there is using QueryExpress, please send me the name of the county I may find it listed under. Thanks. I may just be thickheaded or trying to do too much, or both; but based on what I have set up now and the instructions I have been able to find, I see no benefit for using it. I surely must be missing something. Sam Cline

First I want to warn you that *IF* you do NOT use the auto query system you may not want to read this. Now for the ones that are using the automated query system; First some URLs,I will use Clay County as an exapmle,just chance the County to your County and the URL will take you to that County pages; Query page to post and view; http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/In/Clay Obit page; http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/In/ClayObits Bio page; http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/In/ClayBios Now for the page where you can delete the queries,just add this to the URL; ?admin http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/In/Clay?admin You will find a text box to enter your password along with several options.To delete a query just check the little box next to the query/queries then click the Delete Messages button. You may get a few bounce messages,this is something new.What the bounce messages are telling you is that someone on the query mail list has a bad address,you will be able to remove the address from the query page near the bottom,just put the bad address in and check the Delete address from the list button then click the Send Address button next to where you put the address in. You can also add a surname page,all you need to do is to go to the ?admin page for your County then click on the " Make A Surname Page " button,thats all there is to it.Not a great surname page but it is fast and will list the surnames along with the e-mail address of the researcher.Take a look at the one for Clay County; http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/USA/In/Clay/Surnames.html If you are having trouble with any of this just let me know and I will help out. Later...........Fred

Good Day everyone, First I'd like to introduce myself to everyone. My name is Tom Agan and I'm the new Orange County coordinator following Vonda Lee's resignation a few weeks ago. I've followed the commentary of the USGENWEB query system with some interest. Is there actually anyone that uses it? Maybe a page that is available for viewing. I've had a few run ins with the gamesmanship at the project last year over a census I put online. Is this just a continuation of that line or is it actually something that would be of value on our sites? Vonda and now I, just do this by hand, like everyone else seems to be doing. Being new to this position I understand that there are responsibilities that accompany this job, but are the USGENWEB people leading or assisting? I don't mean to be critical of anything, especially at this juncture, but the role of the various projects at the project confuse me a bit. Any light that could be shone on the subject would be appreciated. When I read the site requirements they seemed fairly short and to the point. Certain links, queries and surnames, some data records and subscribing to this list. Is there more that I missed? I'm not being critical, just curious. Thanks for your indulgence. Tom Agan Orange County Coordinator

Fred, I'm not sure what this message is all about. We aren't being used for the "Eggdrop" are we? As I recall it was Eggdrop that really messed up Rootsweb sometime back; although I believe steps were taken to try to prevent it from happening again. [I don't know what "Eggdrop is. At Rootsweb it was determined who the players were, college students as I recall; and the schools refused to take any action, as I now recall.] Sam

I believe what you are requesting to be unsubscribed from is the Greene County Query Forum. I have now spent two hours trying to unsubscribe you and have failed to do so. We received "new pages" this morning and, well I won't get into that, the old pop-off valve is about ready to blow now. Since I am unable to find the location where I am to enter my password; not that would do any good; I tried to unsubscribe you from receiving a notice every time someone posts a new query, by going to the form at the bottom of the Query Forum--All I received was that you could not be unsubscribed because you aren't subscribed--obviously if you are receiving a notice every time someone post a query your are subscribed. All I can suggest is that you try to unsubscribe from your computer: Go to the Greene County INGenWeb page; Scroll down to the query forum and click on that link; this will take you to a forwarding page [this page is only good for two weeks; hurry, because it will probably be about 2 months before I have time to change all the links!] Click on the link that will take you to the NEW page; Click on subscribe to notification list; enter your e-mail address; click on the "delete address from list button"; click on send address button. You should now receive a message telling you something--that you have been unsubscribed or you can't be unsubscribed because you aren't subscribed--like I said before you are obviously subscribed or you wouldn't be notified everytime someone posts a message. I would have sent instructions from the NEW pages, except the page starts off saying nothing on that page will work until I enter my password--Never did find a place to enter my password. Let me know if this works--Since I live in Morgan County and have my connection at Reliable-Net.net also, if this doesn't work for you I'll let you know where I live and you can come out and throw rocks at the window in my office. [Just kidding!] Please let me know if you are able to unsubscribe or not; if you can't we'll try something else. Although I don't know what at this time. Sam Cline

Karen of Parke/Montgomery counties says, "I guess I'm glad I've not changed my two pages over -- I too do them by hand and have had 131 hits in 3 days, so I know someone is getting some good out of it without the US GenWeb connection" -- think I'll keep it that way for the time being -- I'd rather spend my time adding to it vs. changing over -- if anyone wants to see what I've been doing there lately (which is A LOT) check them out below -- Montgomery Parke AnoleLady wrote: > While I can appreciate change, options, etc., I do not appreciate > getting a new url without being consulted. I keep a surname list on all > three of my counties where I was linking surnames, even ones added by... > > I agree! I have an obit page, a bio page and a surname page already done by > hand...if i add the query system of doing those I guess I have to transfer all > of it or tell people to be sure to check both so they dont miss any because > theyre in different places all of the sudden. > I do like the idea of people automatically entering the info instead of me > adjusting and adding it by hand but now I dont know what to do with what I > have already. I'm new to this genweb stuff so it isnt easy just doing the > basics then being thrown a curve ball. > > Kathy > Lake County Genweb > http://users.rootsweb.com/~inlake

While I can appreciate change, options, etc., I do not appreciate getting a new url without being consulted. I keep a surname list on all three of my counties where I was linking surnames, even ones added by the query system. Now I get to spend time updating those lists to reflect a new url. Was there some reason why we couldn't have kept the same url? I think it would have been nice if someone could have consulted and/or discussed this with those of us who actually have to maintain things first. In addition we now have biographies being kept on Biography pages for several states, some kept on GenConnect, obits and other things in the same condition. I thought the whole intent was to try and standardize, make things simply for people to find. Seems like we're getting so many query and input systems and special projects going that we're losing track of letting people find information easily. Maybe we should slow down and reexamine what direction we're going in and get everyone on the same page before the amount of information out there is prohitive to getting in all on one system by our current group of volunteers. I don't enjoy doing things more than once! Like Sam I've said my peace, now I guess I'll go start updating my surname pages. Guess you'll know where to find me for the next night or two! Deb Tracey & Scott Morris wrote: > > Sam (and everyone else) > > Query Express, as far as I can tell, was in the works at the same time as > the USGWQURY system. I don't know if the two groups were in touch with each > other or not. I believe Query Express is designed to work with CCHelper and > Surname helper - but it's not necessary to have those set up to use QE. > > As to why there are different systems available - people like choices. > Different groups of incredibly dedicated people "came to the rescue" when > the original Querybot died. With the USGenWeb Project becoming such a HUGE > success, many coordinators were becoming overwhelmed with manually posting > queries and were looking for solutions. > > Some people want to be able to individually review each query to make sure > it meets requirements - others want a hands-off solution where visitors post > their own queries & get immediate gratification by seeing the query already > on a page. > Some people think separate surname index pages add to their site, some like > the ability to do searches against an entire state or nation. > > Some people (like me) with a little extra effort, use both. > > I agree that it is a little more difficult to do a comprehensive search with > both Surname Helper and USGWQURY available - but what search tools did we > have available a year ago? NONE. > > There has been a lot of squabbling on the USGENWEB-L list - I guess I've > learned to take it in stride. Sam, I don't quite understand why you've > removed the links to the USGenWeb Project - seems like you are handicapping > your visitors more than anything else? > > Why Query Express? Why not? > If you don't want to use it, there are other options. You should know by > now this group has a hard time agreeing to ANYTHING! :^) > > I don't see where using Query Express or USGWQURY or your own solution to > posting queries should be any more confusing than the rest of the diversity > we see on the hundreds of USGenWeb Project sites. As long as there are > clear instructions on how to use your query system on your site - that > should be sufficient. > > Time to get to work.... > > Tracey Morris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Cline <scline@hoosierweb.org> > To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: query system > > >Fred, > > > > Just visited the "Query Express" explaination (????) page. A few > >questions came to mind. > > > > Is this page being done by the same persons working on the Query Forum, > >Biography, and Obituary pages? > > > > Do we now have two, or more, factions within the USGenWeb project that > >are trying to outdo the other with "query" forms? > > > > Have the "leaders", whoever they may be at this point, forgotten that > >our main purpose is to help the internet public with their family > >research, rather than keeping EVERYTHING in a state of confusion? [I > >have already "unsubscribed" from the USGENWEB-L and REMOVED the USGENWEB > >and WORLD GEN WEB pages from the other pages I have, not including the > >four Indiana County pages I presently have, for now. The USGENWEB-L had > >gotten so bad that it was nothing more than a qroup of little kids > >playing games!] > > > > Final question--QUERY EXPRESS--WHY????? > > > > Fred, I don't expect you to answer these questions. Just food for > >thought and questions that may be asked at an opportune time. Another > >question might be what is the ultimate goal of USGenWeb. Or is there > >one, presently? > > > > My pressure pop-off valve is about ready to blow. Better shutup. > > > > Sam Cline > > > > Richard Finkbiner wrote: > >> > >> Well it seems that the creators of the new query system are > making some > >> big changes soon.They are replacing the old pearl scripts with new C > >> programing.This is supposed to happen on Mon the 27th and they say the > >> query pages will be down for a couple of hours.When they come back online > I > >> *think* we will have new URLs for the query pages, I will let you know > more > >> about this later. > >> > >> Next, there is a newer query system.I don't know much about it but if > >> someone wants to check it out and let us know then I won't mess with it > >> myself.You will find a web page on this at; > >> > >> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/qexpress/ > >> > >> What little I have seen looks as tho it is similar to the old auto bot > >> system that we used to use except it is CCHelper friendly. > >> > >> Later.........Fred > > > >

While I can appreciate change, options, etc., I do not appreciate getting a new url without being consulted. I keep a surname list on all three of my counties where I was linking surnames, even ones added by... I agree! I have an obit page, a bio page and a surname page already done by hand...if i add the query system of doing those I guess I have to transfer all of it or tell people to be sure to check both so they dont miss any because theyre in different places all of the sudden. I do like the idea of people automatically entering the info instead of me adjusting and adding it by hand but now I dont know what to do with what I have already. I'm new to this genweb stuff so it isnt easy just doing the basics then being thrown a curve ball. Kathy Lake County Genweb http://users.rootsweb.com/~inlake

I have been monitoring with some interest the query systems being discussed over the past few weeks. When Querybot died, I went to a free service for my Dearborn, Ohio , Johnson and Shelby pages. I modified a Guest Page service to make it appear to be a Query service. The 2 disatvantages to this are even though it's free, ad banners appear. The second is that it does not link to a central depository for GenWeb. Even so, it seems to be working fine for my visitors. Take a look and copy any of my page codes you would like. Uninterruption of service I think is the best attritribute it has. Special note: I am still looking to hand over my Dearborn and Ohio Counties to a good home. I will be happy to help the new owners with any file transfers and page designs, etc....I will maintain Shelby and Johnson counties, but I needed to free up some time....Coordinate with Fred, but I am glad to help. Dave Distler Indy p.s. to Julian Livingston. Good to see you at the IHS Conference at Lake Monroe, sorry we didn't have more time to chat. Fred, thanks for the initial referral....I think it went very well even though they wanted me to speak on genealogy homepage design rather than GenWeb. I can do both, so no problem.

Sam (and everyone else) Query Express, as far as I can tell, was in the works at the same time as the USGWQURY system. I don't know if the two groups were in touch with each other or not. I believe Query Express is designed to work with CCHelper and Surname helper - but it's not necessary to have those set up to use QE. As to why there are different systems available - people like choices. Different groups of incredibly dedicated people "came to the rescue" when the original Querybot died. With the USGenWeb Project becoming such a HUGE success, many coordinators were becoming overwhelmed with manually posting queries and were looking for solutions. Some people want to be able to individually review each query to make sure it meets requirements - others want a hands-off solution where visitors post their own queries & get immediate gratification by seeing the query already on a page. Some people think separate surname index pages add to their site, some like the ability to do searches against an entire state or nation. Some people (like me) with a little extra effort, use both. I agree that it is a little more difficult to do a comprehensive search with both Surname Helper and USGWQURY available - but what search tools did we have available a year ago? NONE. There has been a lot of squabbling on the USGENWEB-L list - I guess I've learned to take it in stride. Sam, I don't quite understand why you've removed the links to the USGenWeb Project - seems like you are handicapping your visitors more than anything else? Why Query Express? Why not? If you don't want to use it, there are other options. You should know by now this group has a hard time agreeing to ANYTHING! :^) I don't see where using Query Express or USGWQURY or your own solution to posting queries should be any more confusing than the rest of the diversity we see on the hundreds of USGenWeb Project sites. As long as there are clear instructions on how to use your query system on your site - that should be sufficient. Time to get to work.... Tracey Morris -----Original Message----- From: Sam Cline <scline@hoosierweb.org> To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 9:09 PM Subject: Re: query system >Fred, > > Just visited the "Query Express" explaination (????) page. A few >questions came to mind. > > Is this page being done by the same persons working on the Query Forum, >Biography, and Obituary pages? > > Do we now have two, or more, factions within the USGenWeb project that >are trying to outdo the other with "query" forms? > > Have the "leaders", whoever they may be at this point, forgotten that >our main purpose is to help the internet public with their family >research, rather than keeping EVERYTHING in a state of confusion? [I >have already "unsubscribed" from the USGENWEB-L and REMOVED the USGENWEB >and WORLD GEN WEB pages from the other pages I have, not including the >four Indiana County pages I presently have, for now. The USGENWEB-L had >gotten so bad that it was nothing more than a qroup of little kids >playing games!] > > Final question--QUERY EXPRESS--WHY????? > > Fred, I don't expect you to answer these questions. Just food for >thought and questions that may be asked at an opportune time. Another >question might be what is the ultimate goal of USGenWeb. Or is there >one, presently? > > My pressure pop-off valve is about ready to blow. Better shutup. > > Sam Cline > > Richard Finkbiner wrote: >> >> Well it seems that the creators of the new query system are making some >> big changes soon.They are replacing the old pearl scripts with new C >> programing.This is supposed to happen on Mon the 27th and they say the >> query pages will be down for a couple of hours.When they come back online I >> *think* we will have new URLs for the query pages, I will let you know more >> about this later. >> >> Next, there is a newer query system.I don't know much about it but if >> someone wants to check it out and let us know then I won't mess with it >> myself.You will find a web page on this at; >> >> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/qexpress/ >> >> What little I have seen looks as tho it is similar to the old auto bot >> system that we used to use except it is CCHelper friendly. >> >> Later.........Fred > >

Fred, Just visited the "Query Express" explaination (????) page. A few questions came to mind. Is this page being done by the same persons working on the Query Forum, Biography, and Obituary pages? Do we now have two, or more, factions within the USGenWeb project that are trying to outdo the other with "query" forms? Have the "leaders", whoever they may be at this point, forgotten that our main purpose is to help the internet public with their family research, rather than keeping EVERYTHING in a state of confusion? [I have already "unsubscribed" from the USGENWEB-L and REMOVED the USGENWEB and WORLD GEN WEB pages from the other pages I have, not including the four Indiana County pages I presently have, for now. The USGENWEB-L had gotten so bad that it was nothing more than a qroup of little kids playing games!] Final question--QUERY EXPRESS--WHY????? Fred, I don't expect you to answer these questions. Just food for thought and questions that may be asked at an opportune time. Another question might be what is the ultimate goal of USGenWeb. Or is there one, presently? My pressure pop-off valve is about ready to blow. Better shutup. Sam Cline Richard Finkbiner wrote: > > Well it seems that the creators of the new query system are making some > big changes soon.They are replacing the old pearl scripts with new C > programing.This is supposed to happen on Mon the 27th and they say the > query pages will be down for a couple of hours.When they come back online I > *think* we will have new URLs for the query pages, I will let you know more > about this later. > > Next, there is a newer query system.I don't know much about it but if > someone wants to check it out and let us know then I won't mess with it > myself.You will find a web page on this at; > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/qexpress/ > > What little I have seen looks as tho it is similar to the old auto bot > system that we used to use except it is CCHelper friendly. > > Later.........Fred

Well it seems that the creators of the new query system are making some big changes soon.They are replacing the old pearl scripts with new C programing.This is supposed to happen on Mon the 27th and they say the query pages will be down for a couple of hours.When they come back online I *think* we will have new URLs for the query pages, I will let you know more about this later. Next, there is a newer query system.I don't know much about it but if someone wants to check it out and let us know then I won't mess with it myself.You will find a web page on this at; http://cgi.rootsweb.com/qexpress/ What little I have seen looks as tho it is similar to the old auto bot system that we used to use except it is CCHelper friendly. Later.........Fred

>Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:02:09 -0700 (PDT) >Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:08:30 -0500 >From: "Ms. Piglet" <pigolit@ix.netcom.com> >Organization: USGenWeb >Old-To: "SC list, USGW" <state-coord-l@rootsweb.com> >Old-CC: "Board, USGW" <board-l@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [BOARD-L] SC/CC alert >Resent-Message-ID: <"Dt8rzB.A.bZE._EkQ1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1755 >X-Loop: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: BOARD-L-request@rootsweb.com > ><please forward to cc's> > >Some luser has been sending strange (unsigned) messages to at least one >CC and representing themselves as the USGenWeb Security Committee. > >Please be aware: THERE IS NO SUCH COMMITTEE. > >If you receive such a message, please send it to me....thanks. > >megan > >-- >Megan Zurawicz, National Coordinator USGenWeb >PLEASE NOTE NEW ADDRESS: pigolit@ix.netcom.com >not at worldnet after May 1, 1998 > >

Hi guys...I made a detour page to go to my homepage that avoids getting that nasty pop-up ad screen that has been known to crash a couple of you people. Any supposedly "free" homepage through Tripod or Geocities has that pop-up screen...this is a way around it. <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~KHuish/detour.txt">Detour to my page</A> http://members.tripod.com/~KHuish/detour.txt Firstmom's Adoption and Genealogy page If you have a page at one of these sites and get people complaining that they crash trying to go to your page...feel free to copy this example of a detour :) Kathy