Hi all, Like everyone else following the national elections, we have been a tad busy following the discussions. Sometime back we moved our Hancock and Fayette Co INGenWeb pages. We placed a redirect at the old URL until Fred can update the State page. We will be removing the redirects shortly. Current URL for the Hancock and Fayette Co INGenWeb pages are........ http://www.rootsquest.com/~usgenweb/hancock/ Hancock Co INGenWeb http://www.rootsquest.com/~usgenweb/fayette/ Fayette Co INGenWeb Please update your bookmarks and neighboring county URLs. Thanks, Tom & Carolyn WARD PS: We too would like to join with Sam and urge you to vote for Nancy TRICE for NC and to vote NO on the proposed by-laws. Tom & Carolyn WARD KSGenWeb State Coordinators http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/index.html Host for -- Bourbon County KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/bourbon/index.html Cherokee County KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/cherokee/index.html Jewell County KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/jewell/index.html Wilson County KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/wilson/index.html Hancock County IN http://www.rootsquest.com/~usgenweb/hancock/ Fayette County IN http://www.rootsquest.com/~usgenweb/fayette/ Searching elsewhere, visit the USGenWeb pages http://www.usgenweb.org And Read Nancy Trice's Vision for the USGenWeb Project http://www.nlt.net/elect/index.html Make Vision a Reality Vote for Nancy TRICE USGenWeb National Coordinator
Just in case you have had any trouble voting this may be the reason why. There is a problem with some of the ballots sent out for the County Coordinator Representative and State Coordinator Representative elections..they do not have the "Vote Marker" on them. When the ballot is returned, the voting software will send the voter an error message. The new Corrected Ballot is contained in the error message. The voter should then vote again, using the Corrected Ballot. If there is not a corrected ballot in the error message, then they voter should contact: <vote-owner@usgenweb.org> and a new ballot will be sent to the person. Also, the voters in the County Coordinator Representative Election should vote for two (2) candidates. If a voter changes his mind, it is possible to vote again. The software will invalidate the first (or previous) vote, and the new vote will be counted. Thank you, Kay Mason Election Committee Hang in there the election will not be closed until the end of the month. Fred
Well, I guess nobody on Rootsweb mail lists will be able to see the red, white, and blue campaign message for Nancy Trice I just put together! FROM ROOTSWEB [IN PART]: >The message you submitted to this list (included above) (should now read included below-smc) wasn't >sent to the list subscribers. RootsWeb accepts only plain text >mail. That means that HTML mail, attachments, ``enriched text'', >and a few other formats can't be sent to RootsWeb mailing lists. Sam -----Original Message----- From: INGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com> To: scline@hoosierweb.org <scline@hoosierweb.org> Cc: owner-INGEN@fp-1.rootsweb.com <owner-INGEN@fp-1.rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 6:29 PM Subject: Re: NANCY TRICE? I THINK SO! YES! >From INGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDA52E.635C1660 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > WHO THE HECK IS NANCY TRICE? > > > GRASS-ROOTS? YES! > > > UNDERSTANDS THE CC's ARE THE BACKBONE OF USGenWeb? YES! > > > UNDERSTANDS THE NEEDS OF THE SC's? YES! > > > WILL REPRESENT THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE USGenWe PROJECT? YES! > > > A VOTE OF "YES" FOR NANCY TRICE WILL BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE = > > USGenWeb PROJECT!!! > > > FOR MORE ABOUT THE LADY WHO WOULD BE, COULD BE, SHOULD BE, NATIONAL = > > COORDINATOR GO TO: > > > http://www.nlt.net/elect/ NANCY TRICE!!! > > > > > Political advertisement, unsolicited and unauthorized by Nancy Trice; = > > solely the responsibility of S. M. Cline.=20 > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDA52E.635C1660 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> > > <HTML> > > <HEAD> > > > <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> > > </HEAD> > > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000080><STRONG>WHO THE HECK IS=20 > > </STRONG><STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3D"" size=3D6>NANCY=20 > > TRICE</FONT>?</STRONG></FONT></FONT><FONT color=3D#000080></FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000080><STRONG>GRASS-ROOTS? =20 > > </STRONG></FONT><STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3D""=20 > > size=3D6>YES!</FONT></STRONG></FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000080><STRONG>UNDERSTANDS THE CC's = > > ARE THE=20 > > BACKBONE OF USGenWeb? </STRONG></FONT><FONT color=3D#ff0000 = > > face=3D""=20 > > size=3D6><STRONG>YES!</STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000080><STRONG>UNDERSTANDS THE NEEDS = > > OF THE=20 > > SC's? </STRONG></FONT><STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000 = > > face=3D""=20 > > size=3D6>YES!</FONT></STRONG></FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000080><STRONG>WILL REPRESENT THE = > > BEST INTERESTS=20 > > OF THE USGenWe PROJECT? </STRONG></FONT><FONT=20 > > color=3D#ff0000><STRONG><FONT size=3D6>YES!</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT = > > size=3D6><FONT=20 > > color=3D#ff0000></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#000080><STRONG>A VOTE OF=20 > > </STRONG></FONT><STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3D"" = > > size=3D6>"<FONT=20 > > size=3D7>YES</FONT>"</FONT></STRONG> <FONT = > > color=3D#000080><STRONG>FOR NANCY=20 > > TRICE WILL BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE USGenWeb=20 > > PROJECT!!!</STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT color=3D#000080><STRONG><FONT size=3D3>FOR MORE ABOUT THE = > > LADY WHO WOULD=20 > > BE, COULD BE, SHOULD BE, NATIONAL COORDINATOR GO TO:</FONT></FONT><FONT=20 > > size=3D3><FONT color=3D#000080></FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> > > <DIV><A href=3D"http://www.nlt.net/elect/"><STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000 = > > face=3D""=20 > > size=3D5>http://www.nlt.net/elect/</A> </FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT = > > color=3D#000080=20 > > face=3D"" size=3D6>NANCY TRICE!!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000><FONT size=3D2>Political advertisement, = > > unsolicited and=20 > > unauthorized by Nancy Trice; solely the responsibility of S. M.=20 > > Cline.</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT = > > color=3D#008000> </FONT></FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML> > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDA52E.635C1660-- > > >Hi -- > >The message you submitted to this list (included above) wasn't >sent to the list subscribers. RootsWeb accepts only plain text >mail. That means that HTML mail, attachments, ``enriched text'', >and a few other formats can't be sent to RootsWeb mailing lists. >You can post your message if you send it in plain text; turn off >the ``Post in HTML'' or ``Enriched Text'' features of your mail >reader, or don't use any attachments. See >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm for >instructions on turning off HTML in most of the popular mail >programs, or ask your ISP's technical support line for help. > >We've had to institute this policy because of the problems that >accompany these fancy mail formats. Some people don't have mail >programs that are capable of processing the special file formats. >Even among those who do, different mail programs handle these >special formats in very different and confusing ways. HTML messages >pose special problems to our digested mailing lists. Most of all, >HTML-ified mail and attachments place a considerable burden on >RootsWeb's overworked machines. All in all, mail in this format >produces a lot of problems for RootsWeb's servers and subscribers, >so we find it's best just to use plain text. > >-- The RootsWeb staff > >
> Well, I guess nobody on Rootsweb mail lists will be able to see the > red, white, and blue campaign message for Nancy Trice I just put > together! Sure we can. Copy/paste into a new HTML document, and view offline. But it seems to be more like aqua, black and green...hehehe Nice though, Sam! Lori
It is a little late now but you should have gotten a ballot by now,if not just let me know and I will see what I can do.Be sure to vote tho. Fred P.S. Gene, sorry but it was too late to change your address.
Nancy Trice is the choice of those who value the original intent of this organization--bottom up organization, where the States control themselves within the loose framework of rules. Nancy's reputation is impeccable and cannot be denied. Let us not forget that it is Nancy who has brought us the smashing success of the GenConnect which so many of this project use and enjoy. Nancy is the single most qualified individual running for National Coordinator now, and is committed to returning the power to the states and the County Coordinators where it belongs. I urge each and everyone of you to visit Nancy's campiagn page at http://www.nlt.net/elect/ and read for yourself what she has to say to many of the comments below. Betty Sellers Southeast/Mid-Atlantic Region C.C. Rep Nominee CC. of Trigg and Christian Co., Ky Tri -CC of Vanderburgh,In
I guess I was mistaken earlier,the message that *most* of received was NOT a test to check the Indiana voters but rather a notice that you had been subscribed to the CAMPAIGN98-ANNOUNCE-L Mail list,this is for announcements , the voter list is separate from this so if you didn't receive that massage it doesn't mean you can not vote.I checked the voter list and all of the ones that told me they didn't get the message are in fact on the voter list. Hope this is clear but to sum it up,all Indiana CCs are on the voter list. Fred
I have a couple of corrections to the Indiana voter list,if you did NOT receive a message from the election system let me know and I will make sure you are on the voter list. Below is a request for a SC, if anyone is interested contact Richard White. >Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:22:15 -0700 (PDT) >X-Sender: white@HiWAAY.net >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) >Old-Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:20:07 -0600 >Old-To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >From: Richard White <white@hiwaay.net> >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Alabama SC Position >To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1627 >X-Loop: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: STATE-COORD-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Hi, Guys... > >This is just a short note to inform all that I will be retiring from my >position as SC for the State of Alabama and am currently seeking a >successor. Circumstances outside the Project dictate the necessity for the >change. > >Could I ask everyone to poll their state and see if there are any interested >parties who would like to "move up a notch"? The Alabama CC's seem to be >content with their individual county duties... at least so far. > >It has been an extreme pleasure to serve and will, of course, assist the new >person in being "baptized".<G> > >May the Lord bless and keep you all... > >Richard White >USGenWeb: Alabama (for just a little while longer...) >
EXTRA! EXTRA! EXTRA! READ MORE ABOUT IT--Good Old Boy Backpeddling is alive and well in Marion County West Virginia--read about the building that had burned 3 times, windows out, rain coming in on county documents; read about "we didn't throw any important records away"--I WONDER IF THEY BULLDOZE CEMETERIES, ALSO?!! Sam Cline Morgan County Council ~ http://www.scican.net/government/mc-gov/councilm.html Morgan County Indiana Historian - IHB/IHS ~ http://www2.ihs1830.org/ihs1830/cohist.htm Indiana Genealogical Society ~ http://www.indgensoc.org/ Greene County Indiana INGenWeb ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingreene/greenegw.htm Knox County Indiana INGenWeb ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inknox/knox.htm Lawrence County Indiana INGenWeb ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inlawren/lawrengw.htm Morgan County Indiana INGenWeb ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmorgan/index.html INGenWeb Links ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmorgan/igwcclnk.html Greene County Indiana Genealogical Society ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingreene/gcgs.htm HoosierWeb ~ http://www.hoosierweb.org Morgan County History And Genealogy Association ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmchaga/mchagai.html The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores. The latch string is always out. -----Original Message----- From: Linda Lewis <cityslic@ix.netcom.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 9:57 PM Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] FYI >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >--------------53944F92A63 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Because the other articles were reported here, the third article should >be, also. > >Linda > >--------------53944F92A63 >Content-Type: message/rfc822 >Content-Disposition: inline > >Return-Path: <va-roots@vsla.edu> >Received: from vlinsvr.vsla.edu ([192.131.239.7]) > by ixmail6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id VAA09128; ; > Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from vlinsvr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by vlinsvr.vsla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA00625; > Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:41:28 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:41:28 -0400 (EDT) >Message-Id: <199806270439.AAA00431@camel14.mindspring.com> >Errors-To: eroderic@vsla.edu >Reply-To: pmullinax@mindspring.com >Originator: va-roots@vlinsvr.vsla.edu >Sender: va-roots@vsla.edu >Precedence: bulk >From: "Pam Mullinax" <pmullinax@mindspring.com> >To: Multiple recipients of list <va-roots@vlinsvr.vsla.edu> >Subject: THIRD NEWSPAPER STORY ABOUT MARION COUNTY >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas >X-Comment: Virginia Genealogy Discussion Group >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com id XAA00956 > >Please bear with me for this last, long email. There was a third story >published today, June 26, by the WV Times about Marion County, and to be >fair, it should be available to the same people who have read the first t= >wo >stories. It was, as follows: > >* * * * * >By Theresa Haynes=20 >Times West Virginian Staff Writer > >FAIRMONT -=20 >Local genealogists searching for an old marriage record or birth >certificate do not need to go sifting through the trash. > >Marion County Clerk Janice Cosco said her department did not throw away a= >ny >permanent records from the Jacobs building earlier this month when >maintenance workers cleared away six BFI Dumpsters of outdated files and >papers from the historic building. > >"Everything we are charged by law to keep was not thrown away," she said. >"No permanent records, that I know of, were thrown away." > >Cosco, who has been the county's clerk for 18 years, said she still has >original copies of wills, birth certificates, death certificates, deeds, >marriage certificates, land transfers, voter registration records and >county commission records dating back to the county's inception in 1842. > >She said her department discarded old fiscal records, pieces of paper >recording every penny spent at the county clerk's office, and outdated >universal consumer code slips, which record credit transactions. > >Cosco said she is legally responsible to save the receipt books for 10 >years and the consumer code slips for seven years, but she boxed and stor= >ed >the records for at least two decades. > >For years the Jacobs building housed these outdated records, but earlier >this month Cosco gave maintenance workers permission to trash the papers >including some receipt books dating back to 1920. > >The county clerk said she would have liked to save everything but there >just was not room to house it all. =A0=A0"The public needs to understand = >that >in order to keep their precious records we have to have a place to put >them," she said as she stood inside one of the courthouse's many fireproo= >f >vaults filled with old wills and birth, marriage and death records. > >"(Marion County Commissioner) Cody Starcher has gotten all kinds of flak >over this, but Cody should get an award," she said. "He found the money t= >o >restore the Jacob's building so we could have a place to put the permanen= >t >records." > >Last year Starcher was instrumental in getting the state to approve >transferring $330,000 from the jail improvement fund to renovate the >dilapidated Jacobs building. > >When renovations are complete, the old building will be used for office >space and record storage. > >Starcher, who is also overseeing the Jacobs building cleanup, said he did >not sort through the five floors of piled papers and books, but allowed t= >he >county clerk, circuit clerk, prosecuting attorney and assessor to walk >through the building and take what they wanted. Everything else was >discarded. > >Local historians believe some records, including 10 leather-bound pre-Civ= >il >War Justice of the Peace books, were thrown away because no one in the >courthouse set them aside to be kept. > >Because Justice of the Peace books are not considered permanent records, >Starcher said the county could have thrown them away years ago. > >But the former Justice of the Peace said he does not know for sure if the >Justice of the Peace books dating back to 1842 were destroyed because he >does not know what the historical books look like or why anyone would wan= >t >them. > >"I don't know why anyone would want to look at those anyway," he asked. "= >I >guess it is all in the eye of the beholder." =A0=A0Starcher said even if >historians thought the information in the books was valuable, the books >themselves were damaged from years of sitting in a dusty, nearly abandone= >d >building. > >"That building was burned three times and everything in there was rained >on. Some of the windows were broken out," he said. "Anything in there was >scarred, scratched or torn up." > >The county commissioner said the Jacobs building still is in such poor >condition he is afraid to allow genealogists and historians to search >through the remaining records at the old building. > >"We couldn't keep all five floors of junk and garbage and renovate that >building," he said. "We thought we would do something better for the town >and the county and renovate the building. That took precedence over a >couple of books that might have been thrown away."=20 >* * * * * > >MY COMMENTS: > >First of all, thank each of you who have contributed your emails and >letters in protest of the actions by the Marion County Commissioners. I >was amazed at how quickly the masses responded despite our physical >separation (this 'ole Internet is pretty good, eh?). The pressure we >created was felt by all the local government, citizens and especially the >county commissioners of Marion County. =20 > >The jury is still out on whether all the materials that were dumped were, >indeed, unrelated to the object of genealogy or historian researchers. I >don't feel comfortable that their "definition" of what was thrown away >excludes materials that would be of benefit to some! We imagined the >worst, since Mr. Cody Starcher admitted there was not an inventory of wha= >t >was tossed. With no inventory, we were all free to imagine what was in >that pile, and Mr. Starcher can not prove us wrong. He has no idea he >didn't toss some historical or cultural treasure, no matter how minor it >may have been to him. > >This is a democracy, and we do have a right to be told before public >records are thrown away. Our outrage continues to be about our paid >officials making unilateral decisions such as was made. They should not = >be >allowed to decide who to invite in to "take what they want" and then to >decide to have the rest hauled away before anyone else could see it. =20 > >It was Cody Starcher's secretive actions that raised the suspicions of th= >e >local Marion County historians and, eventually, the newspapers and then >each of us. We were all outraged over Commissioner Starcher's arbitrary >exercise of power, and we've done well to spotlight it! We have all acte= >d >in the spirit of the early American Revolutionaries (many of our ancestor= >s) >who demanded public officials be accountable to the public. As a friend >said, "we showed up with Email pitchforks, and Cody didn't like it." > >Hopefully, our actions this week will serve to keep records that are left >in Marion County and elsewhere preserved. Thank you again for helping to >spotlight a wrongful action. If you should want to continue that pressur= >e, >that is up to you. An address list of the Marion County Commissioners is >below: > > > BOARD OFCOMMISSIONERS > >PRESIDENT, James E Sago (304-367-5400) =09 >200 Jackson Street / Fairmont, WV 26554 =20 > >Commissioner Cecily Enos (304-367-5400) >200 Jackson Street / Fairmont, WV 26554 > >Commissioner Cody Starcher (304-367-5400) >200 Jackson Street / Fairmont, WV 26554 > >Assessor Thomas Davis (304-367-5410) >200 Jackson Street / Fairmont, WV 26554 > >Circuit Clerk Barbara Core (304-367-5360) >PO Box 1269 / Fairmont, WV 26554 > >County Clerk Janice Cosco (304-367-5440) >PO Box 1267 / Fairmont, WV 26554 > >* * * * * > >Pam Mullinax >E-Mail: > pmullinax@mindspring.com > > > >--------------53944F92A63-- > > >==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > >
The following is a rather long article, not for the faint of heart I might add, and if you have a short fuse--DON'T READ IT! If something like this were to happen in Morgan County, Indiana, I can assure you that I would do all in my power as a member of the Morgan County, Indiana, Council, to reduce the County Commissioners Budget to Zero thus requiring them to request every penny that they needed to spend from the Council as they needed it. Including the destruction of valuable County Records. Thank goodness we in Indiana have legislation that has created a Commission On Public Records for all 92 counties. With final destruction authority vested in the State Commission on Public Records. Shame on you Marion County, West Virginia, County Commissioners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sam Cline Morgan County Council ~ http://www.scican.net/government/mc-gov/councilm.html Morgan County Indiana Historian - IHB/IHS ~ http://www2.ihs1830.org/ihs1830/cohist.htm Indiana Genealogical Society ~ http://www.indgensoc.org/ Greene County Indiana INGenWeb ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingreene/greenegw.htm Knox County Indiana INGenWeb ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inknox/knox.htm Lawrence County Indiana INGenWeb ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inlawren/lawrengw.htm Morgan County Indiana INGenWeb ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmorgan/index.html INGenWeb Links ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmorgan/igwcclnk.html Greene County Indiana Genealogical Society ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingreene/gcgs.htm HoosierWeb ~ http://www.hoosierweb.org Morgan County History And Genealogy Association ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmchaga/mchagai.html The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores. The latch string is always out. -----Original Message----- From: Celia G. Snyder <cgsnyder@uiuc.edu> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 2:18 PM Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] [BP2000-L] CALL TO ARMS >Please forward the news of this Marion County, West Virginia travesty to >every >genealogy group or historical society that you belong to. Also, if you >have any >media contacts or government contacts please forward this information to them. >Let's make Cody Starcher infamous! > > > >From: Pam Mullinax >E-Mail: pmullinax@mindspring.com > >Fairmont -- Leatherbound books recording transactions between 1842 to >1880 have been important to local genealogist, but now the historical >books are gone - buried with the five bins of trash the Marion County >Commission hauled away from the Jacob's building last week. > >Along with books were, boxes and files of papers dating back to Marion >County's inception in 1942. There were five floors that had books, boxes >and files to be removed. > >Some of the books were Wills; others were Justice of the Peace books. >There may have been other records, but the article didn't say what all >had been destoyed, because they didn't know. The article was a large >article for the paper. The historical and genealogical societies were >NOT notified that the county had planned to discard the handwritten >record books, files and other etcs. > >It seems the decision was made by the county commissioners (namely, Cody >Starcher) to clear out several floors from the Jacobs building (scheduled >for renovation) in which these historical documents were stored. They >decided on their own that no one would want to go through all the files to >separate out the salvagable and so decided to not tell anyone. They then >had the local garbage collectors come and clear out the books and documents. > >************* > >The story about the above first appeared in the Times West Virginian >(Fairmont, WV)Sunday,June 21, 1998. On Thursday, June 25, 1998 the >below follow-up story was published. > > >* * * >Dump off limits to historians > >By Theresa Haynes >Times West Virginian Staff Writer > >FAIRMONT - >Genealogists who wanted to dig through the landfill in search of the >county's discarded pre-Civil War record books will not be allowed to >excavate the dump. ÝÝRon Chrislip, a local historian who has researched >Marion County's past for more than 30 years, said he and four other people >were prepared to go to the Meadowfill Landfill in Bridgeport to search for >the record books tossed last week. > >But landfill officials halted the group's plans at the request of the >Marion County Commission. > >The day books dating back to 1842 were among several tons of outdated >files, books and papers the commission removed from the historic Jacob's >building, which is undergoing renovation. > >Chrislip said he and other genealogists wanted to dig up the historically >valuable record books when they learned the books had been hauled away to >the dump, but the landfill told them there were confidential files among >the garbage. > >Commissioner Cody Starcher said in an interview last week that the county >had received special permission from the state to include old juvenile >records in the six BFI Dumpster trash bins hauled to the dump. > >"We are allowed to throw the juvenile records away after 20 years," he >said. "But they usually have to be shredded and burned." > >Now local historians are concerned they will never see the priceless, >handwritten books again. > >"I don't see how they will be retrieved," Chrislip said. "As a historian I >have to be realistic. Now hopefully the county will preserve what is left." >ÝÝChrislip said the leather-bound books were particularly valuable because >they recorded everything from the county clerk's office. > >"Record keeping then was a very different process," he said. "We were still >in Virginia and documents like that are very, very rare." > >The historian said the records gave insight into a lifestyle long gone. > >"There is no oral history from that time, no photography and very little >written history. Through the day books we had a great deal of information >to interpret history," he said. > >Chrislip agrees with the county commission that the books had no monetary >value, but he said the county has lost something culturally valuable. > >He said 20 years ago he had searched for day books like the ones thrown >away and was told they did not exist. Years later he learned they were in >existence, but in "dead" storage. > >The historian said he and other people interested in genealogy would have >liked to have been given access to the books before they were discarded. > >County Commission President James Sago and Starcher were not available for >comment Wednesday evening. >* * * > >If you'd like to write the Editor of the WV Times, > >The email address is: >timeswv@timeswv.com > >LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: >All letters for publication should be so stated. >Requests for publication must include address & telephone number. >phone: (304) 367-2500 * Fax: (304) 367-2569 > >Or postal mail to: >Times West Virginian >PO Box 2530 >Fairmont, WV 26555-2530 > > > > > >==== BP2000 Mailing List ==== >Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data Cooperative? > Voluntary support helps keep access free. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > For us forgetful types there is new on-line credit card option. > > Someday YOU'LL be an ancestor too! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Celia G. 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For your information No. II -----Original Message----- From: Ray Boomhower <rboomhower@statelib.lib.in.us> To: H-INDIANA@H-NET.MSU.EDU <H-INDIANA@H-NET.MSU.EDU> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 2:06 PM Subject: Followup to Dept. of Indiana Heritage >From: Noraleen A. Young <nyoung@tcon.net> >Date sent: Thur, 25 June 1998 >Subject: Followup to Dept. of Indiana Heritage > > >I want to throw out a few questions just to see what people think. > >Public Records > > Has anyone had problems accessing public records at either the state, >county or town level? Have you had problems with copy costs, time allowed >for access, or lack of knowledge by government staff of the rights to >access of public records? > > >Department of Indiana Heritage > > Is this a good thing? Will it help or hinder the preservation of >Indiana's history in all it's forms? > >I plan on attending the hearings and can report on what is discussed. I >would encourage you to write those on the committee with your views. > > >Noraleen A. Young C.A. >Public Historian >nyoung@tcon.net >http://mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5955/noraleen.htm >
The following is for your information. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Boomhower <rboomhower@statelib.lib.in.us> To: H-INDIANA@H-NET.MSU.EDU <H-INDIANA@H-NET.MSU.EDU> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 2:04 PM Subject: Dept. of Indiana Heritage? >From: Noraleen A. Young <nyoung@tcon.net> >Date sent: Thur, 25 June 1998 >Subject: Dept. of Indiana Heritage? > >The Indiana General Assembly has established the Interim Study Committee on >State Government Issues to look at three issues: 1) Access to public >records; 2) petitions to change a town to a city; 3) Creation of a >Department of Indiana Heritage. > >The first hearing was held on Tuesday, June 23, 1998. The primary topic was >on access to public records and testimony was heard from state officials, >the media, and the public on the difficulty many have in accessing public >records. Work groups will be established with both state officials, >legislators and representatives of the pubic to look at compliance, >mechanics, definitional concerns, and copying fees. > >The next hearing, tentatively scheduled for July 28, 1998, 1:30 p.m., will >continue to look at public records access but also at the feasibility of a >Department of Indiana Heritage to put all those Indiana State agencies that >deal with the history of Indiana under a joint agency similar to >organizational structures found in other states. > >Agencies mentioned in a position paper dated October 29, 1997 include the >Division of State Museum and Historic Sites (presently under the Dept. of >Natural Resources), the Indiana State Library, the Indiana War Memorials >Commission, the Division of Historic Preservation and Archeology, the >Indiana Main Street/Heritage Tourism Program, the Indiana Historical >Bureau, and the Indiana State Archives (Commission on Public Records). > >If you are interested in commenting on either issue you can reach the >committee by: > > Interim Study Committee on State Government Issues > c/o Legislative Services Agency > 200 West Washington Street > Suite 301 > Indianapolis, Indiana 46204-2789 > > (317) 232-9588 > fax (317) 232-2554 > >You may also gain information on the committee by calling John Rowings, >with the Legislative Services Agency at (317) 232-9555. You may request >that you be placed on the committee's mailing list for meeting notices. > >You can read about the committee's June 23 meeting, or follow its progress, >or that of the governor's task force on public records by checking the Indy >chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists at their web site: >http://indyprospj.iupui.edu/indypro/home.html > > >Noraleen A. Young C.A. >Public Historian >nyoung@tcon.net >http://mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5955/noraleen.htm >
Before I get into the voting news,Darlene Anderson has taken Jackson County but all the others still need a good host. Now for the voting news. We will be running a test on the list of USGW members that we will be using for the July Elections for National Coordinator and the Bylaws. We want to make sure that we have everyone on the list, and that everyone's email address is correct. The test will be tomorrow, June 25, 1998. If you do not recieve a message from CAMPAIGN98-L-ANNOUNCE by Friday morning, please contact your State Coordinator, who will contact the Election committee. This list is an "announce" list and does not accept replies.
When you get a chance take look at the revised By-Laws,we *hope* to include a vote on these in the up-coming elections.You will find the By-Laws at; http://www.usgenweb.org/official/propbylaws.html On another note, we are losing two very good volunteers,Scott McPheeters has Madison, Union and Sullivan Counties and feels he must give them up.Also Frank Brooks has to give up his two Counties, Jackson and Jennings.I think all five have rootsweb accounts so if you are interested in taking one or more let me know and we will get you fixed up. Fred
Hello County Coordinators, Have you had trouble with your Query Admin Page, or am I the only "lucky" one??? Can ANYONE out there tell me HOW to change my display on the Admin Page to display ALL queries - June 15th I asked, but have NOT received any answers yet from "the powers that be". NOTE: I can change the query page that the public sees, BUT I NEED to edit some queries and can NOT get access to from my ADMIN page! Thanks to a kind soul out there for some direction! D. Robbins Carroll County INGenWeb Project Coordinator Volunteer http://www.netusa1.net/~quester/index.html
InGenWeb --- is 'two years old' Happy Birthday to you - Happy Birthday to you... Happy Birthday InGenWeb --- Happy Birthday to you! Betty - Trigg Co KyGenWeb - http://www.comsource.net/~kyseeker/kylines/kytg.html Christian Co KyGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~kychrist/christian4.htm WKy Families Database - http://www.dynasty.net/biz/kyseeker/public_html/wky/surnames.html * *****County Queries, Biographies and Surnames always welcome on the KyGenWeb County Pages!*****
I had previously forwarded to ya'll the item about the year 2000 problem and the tombstones (which came from Lori through Indytalk) and since then I am receiving some really interesting comments and some ideas. I would like to share some of these with ya'll. Eric Craig mentioned this: "Unfortunately it is also found in the cemeteries as well where one spouse has passed on and the other is still living. I have seen many tombstones that have the 19 prefix for one spouse that is still living." (hmmmm-- I hadn't thought of that -- so how are they going to fix THOSE?) Nora wrote about an EXCELLENT idea she had (that these tombstone makers/salesmen could use). She writes: "The tombstone makers could have sort of a half price sale at the end of the century. I recently found the grave of my fathers older brother who died in 1914 at the age of 4 months. I am providing a headstone which will cost $300. Now if they cut the price in half I could also mark the grave of my great aunts first husband who is also in the same plot. They would get rid of the extra headstones and not have to worry about storing or fixing them. Now if I could just convince the monument co's....... Nora" (I liked this idea -- think of the possibilities -- we might be able to mark graves which are unmarked now and we couldn't afford to do so before; we could replace crumbing stones or stones which have become unreadable with the cheaper ones (if someone wants to foot the price even at this half-price sale). And the list goes on....) I wanted to share these things as maybe we have some monument makers, mortitians, cemetery caretakers, investors in cemeteries and monument companies, etc. out there on our lists -- maybe if we put a "bug in their ear" something can be done to help them and could help us too about this year 2000 problem-to-come. Judy M.
I just had to share with you this one message/jmurphy: >From: INDYTALK-D-request@rootsweb.com >Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:52:00 -0700 (PDT) >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:23:19 -0500 >From: Lori <lhoffman@seidata.com> >To: INDYTALK-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <35859ED7.7758@seidata.com> >Subject: 2000 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi Ya'll... > >Just wanted to pass this on, it's a thought and a smile. > >Lori > > >***** > >quote: > >I just found the first (and creepiest) instance where the year >2000 crisis is not just a digital problem, but a very "analog" >one, as well. It seems that the burial industry (or whatever you >call it) is faced with an oversupply of headstones precarved with >a "19" prefix. > >This is pretty out of my league, but apparently it's common to >preorder your tombstone, specify an inscription, and then leave a >space blank for the actual date. Because it's cheaper to precarve >(who knew?), people add the "19" prefix and then leave the >remaining part of the date for loved ones to fill in. > >The companies responsible for holding onto these precarved >tombstones have started worrying that they'll have a lot of >useless "19xx" grave markers unless an awful lot of people, >pardon the crassness, drop dead over the next year and a half. >One company is experimenting with a cementlike paste to fill in >the number "19" and has had results buffing the stone to hide the >error, while others are experimenting with brass plates that fit >over the "19." > >I find this particularly fascinating from an archaeological >viewpoint, because centuries from now, archaeologists will wonder >what the mystery brass plate meant on some of our markers. Were >we hiding dates? Did some people in our culture die twice? Was >brass plating a sign of nobility? Or poverty? Anyway, you get the >idea, and I've obviously had way too much coffee, but I think >this one helps us keep our perspective. > >Of course, the truly dark and morbidly missing link in all of >this is the opportunity to buy them up wholesale and offer them >up to the poor data managers who can't face another day >struggling with the digital year 2000 crisis. > >"unquote" > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:26:26 -0400 (EDT) >From: jmurphy@erinet.com (judith murphy) (snipped) >http://www.census-online.com/links/IN_data.html (Indiana online census' page) >http://www.census-online.com/links/index.html (USA online census' page) > >Judy M. >
In a message dated 6/16/98 11:27:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time, jmurphy@erinet.com writes: > >I just found the first (and creepiest) instance where the year > >2000 crisis is not just a digital problem, but a very "analog" > >one, as well. It seems that the burial industry (or whatever you > >call it) is faced with an oversupply of headstones precarved with > >a "19" prefix. Unfortunately it is also found in the cemeteries as well where one spouse has passed on and the other is still living. I have seen many tombstones that have the 19 prefix for one spouse that is still living. Eric Craig
Hi everyone, I have just added more insanity records to the Ripley GenWeb site. Lori Ripley Web Chatelaine