Good Morning, Besides having Shelby, Johnson, Dearborn and Ohio INGenWeb pages, I have a searchable database that has over 47,000 related individuals that settled the Ohio River Valley and should be a good resource for your GenWeb site visitors. Many of you are already linked to it, including the IN and OHGenWeb state pages and various county sites, but in case you haven't used it, here are some details and html link options: Ohio River Valley Families is a non-commercial website with a searchable database of over 47,000 related individuals. The ORVF Database Project began in March of 1995 with about 4,300 individuals, mostly settlers of the Ohio Valley region of the United States in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana. Currently, family information is from nearly every State in the U.S. plus a significant amount from the United Kingdom and Germany. Contributions, updates and corrections to the database are welcomed provided there is a link to an individual in the database and reasonable sources are cited. Source and contributor information is provided upon request. GEDCOM downloads are available at the website. Names and locations can be quickly searched on-line. Some notables in the ORVF database include Myra MayBelle Shirley (Belle Starr), Daniel Boone, Stephen Hopkins (of the Mayflower), Dwight David Eisenhower, Ulysses Simpson Grant, Virginia Katherine McMath (Ginger Rogers), Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Richard Milhous Nixon. Significant Surnames (more than 100 individuals): ADDY, ADAMS, ALLEN, ALLISON, BANTA, BASSETT, BROWN, CARTER, COLE, COOK, COPELAND, CRANDALL, DAVIS, EMMONS, EMPSON, FEIOCK, GARDNER, GOSHORN, GRIFFITH, HADLEY, HALL, HARVEY, HITT, HOBBS, HOLLINGSWORTH, HOWERTON, JOHNSON, JONES, KING, KINSER, LACOCK, MARTIN, McMATH, McMULLEN, MENDENHALL, MERRIFIELD, MILLER, MILLS, MORRIS, NIGHBERT, PATE, PAXSON, RAND, RIBBLE, SHAFT, SMITH, SPRAY, STANFIELD, STARR, SWALLOW, VANDOLAH, VAUGHT, VEIOCK, WETHERBEE, WHITE, WHITHAM, WILLIAMS, WILSON and WRIGHT. <A HREF="http://orvf.com"><IMG SRC="http://orvf.com/orvf2.gif" ALT="Ohio River Valley Families Link" BORDER="0"></A> The above provides a link with an animated icon. <A HREF="http://orvf.com"><IMG SRC="http://orvf.com/orvf8.gif" ALT="Ohio River Valley Families Link" BORDER="0"></A> The above has a link with a fixed icon. <A HREF="http://orvf.com">Ohio River Valley Families</A> This will provide a text only link. I hope you find the site useful for yourselves and for your visitors. Thanks again to those who have already linked and for your consideration.... Dave Distler ddistler@iquest.net Ohio River Valley Families http://orvf.com

Mike, and all - Thanks Mike! > Indiana Dept of Health has changed their Vital records url. Was: > http://www.ai.org/doh/vital/vr1.html > > Is now called "Where to Get Birth and Death Certificates in Indiana" And the latest URL I had for this was: http://www.ai.org/doh/html/bdcert.html which of course is incorrect also.... Lori

Welcome Amy Campbell as the new Jay county coordinator! The Jay county pages will remain at Rootsweb and Amy will be in charge. Welcome amy - I believe this is our first Canadian resident as a coordinator! Betty Sellers INDIANA InGenWeb State Coordinator - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingenweb/ ================================= INDIANA Tri-Coordinator Vanderburgh InGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~invander/vand.htm KENTUCKY Trigg KyGenWeb http://www.comsource.net/~kyseeker/kylines/kytg.html Christian KyGenWeb http://www.usroots.com/kyseeker/public_html/christian/christian4.htm

Welcome Sue! Sounds like you are a busy lady - glad to have you on the team! Tracey Morris USGenWeb Project County Coordinator - Howard Co IN

If anyone had the old url or wants the new one. Indiana Dept of Health has changed their Vital records url. Was: http://www.ai.org/doh/vital/vr1.html Is now called "Where to Get Birth and Death Certificates in Indiana" http://www.ai.org/doh/html/bdcert.html Also the Vital Records site for all States: http://www.inlink.com/~nomi/vitalrec/index.html has been changed to: http://vitalrec.com/index.html I let them know their Indiana DOH link is bad. -- Mike Sweeney

I received this a while back: >From: Mart43tctc@aol.com >Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:58:03 EDT >To: stnick@evansville.net >Subject: Valuable items from Indiana >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 > >I'm not sure if you could find the family or these items, but I found this on >one of the websites I belong to and thought it would be worth the check. I >didn't know where Jacksonville, IN was or how to send this to them. Thanks, >Cathy >++++++++++++++++++ >Hi researchers, > >I have an assortment of real genealogy treasures and would love to have >them >be my family. Since they are not, how about helping me find a fellow >researcher that is related. I will be putting this on the following >lists: >NORCAL, SOCAL, GREEN, BLACK, MISSOURI, HITCHCOCK and BOZEMAN. > >My daughter recently bought a home of a deceased elderly woman, in >Ventura >California. As she was storing suitcases in the attic she >found a box of the listed items. She ask the realtor to see if the >sellers >wanted the items and he said they didn't want anything, so, here we go! > >A beautiful High School Diploma from Jacksonville Indiana for Metta A. >HANNA, dated May 14, 1922. It is 16" high and 22" long and very >decorative. >It is signed by the following people. >E.G. Copeland Superintendent >A.E. Messick Principle >G.W. Mitchelle President Board of Education >L.E. Hochstetler Secretary Board of Education >Walter E. Brissele Treasure Board of Education > >There is a total of 10 State of Indiana, Crawford County, Teacher >Licenses >for Willa O. JOHNSON. Some are issued for 12 months and some for 24 >months. >Evidently Willa and other teachers had to take a proficiency exam >because >the grades are shown for each subject tested. These are very attractive >documents and are all signed by the incumbent County Supervisor. They >are >dated and signed by the County Supervisor as follows: >1. 1887 J.W. Goldman >2. 1889 " " >3. 1890 " " >4. 1891 " " >5. 1892 J.F. Zimmerman >6. 1894 J.R. Duffin >7. 1895 James R. Duffin >8. 1903, Apr. 24 Chas. A Robertson >9. 1903, May 30 " " " >10. 1903, Aug. 29 Stuart A. Beals >Don't ask why there were three issued so close together in 1903! > >There are eight Wright Township, Greene County, Indiana report cards for >Metta HANNA. All are signed by either S.C. Hanna or Willie or Willa >Hanna >who I assume to be Metta's parents. I will list them below as grade, >year, >teacher and first name of parent who signed. > >1 1915 Bertha Moss Willie > none none Willie >3 1918 Ruby Moore Willie >4 1918 M.G. Watson S.C. >5 1920 Douglas Hudson Willie >6 1922 M.G Watson Willie >8 1924 Fannie Dayhoff S.C. >Rather sad, the 8th grade report card dated 1923/24 was unsigned my >either >parent for the last quarter. I was rapped in a note the reads, "Mother >died >Aug. 18, 1923. She was burried Aug.20, 1923. There were 162 cars at the >grave yard." Buried as written by Metta. > >There are 3 letters and 8 postcards dated in 1947. They are addressed to >Mrs. Bensten/Metta Bensten. All are signed mom, dad or mom and dad. >They are all addressed to 558 E. Meta St., Ventura, California. Also, >there >are 18 post cards and 2 letters, dated 1947/48, to the same address but >addressed to Mr. and Mrs Benny Benson/Mrs. Metta Benson, Mrs Metta A. >Benson >and Mr. and Mrs. T.L. Benson. All of these letters were signed mom, dad >or >both. Last, one letter to Mrs. Metta Benson, % S.C. Hanna, Jacksonville, >Indiana and signed Bob. > >A post card photo of a young boy and girl about 6 and 4 years old. >Appears >to be turn of the century. > >A wonderful photo of 4-men and 4-women. Three of the men and women >appear >to >be in their 50's and the other man and woman in their 70's. They appear >as >four married couples. The photo looks as if it was taken in the 1920's >or >30's. No name anywhere. Size = 8" high and 10 " long. > >Last, an old Sunday Service Program from the First Baptist Church of >Jacksonville, Indiana. Names mentioned in the program are Clarence E. >Baker, >Pastor. Ray Price, Sunday School Superintendent. Mrs. Morse, Dr. >Osterholm >and Margaret and Chester Jump, Missionaries to Vanga, Belgian Congo. > >Any help finding a rightful owner to these items and proving themselves >so, >Will be greatly appreciated. > >Del >Del Black >In the beautiful Tehachapi >Mountains of California >

Taking up the provocative example of the new genweb co-ordinator for Rush County, Sue Prifogle Otte, I seek to encourage a series of co-ordinator and indecatu-l introductions, hoping to hear what sorts of people sit behind the pages I've surfed in search of good examples. My apparent displacement to the other side of the globe has raised questions among a number of correspondents, and eyebrows among others. My links to Decatur County became apparent early this year, when I discovered the possibilities of long-distance genealogical excavation by web and was able to identify Decatur as the home county of my unkown and, I'd thought, unknowable Ballard grandfather, born in St Paul in 1856 (not 1859, as his MO tombstone claims). With the aid of Decatur genweb lookups I quickly pushed back a couple of generations and, finding the county page orphaned, decided that distance need not prevent my adding a range of links and materials. A couple of days in Indianapolis and Greensburg en route to a conference in Europe in June established some useful contacts and broadened my grasp on the extended family of Elijah Ballard, who trickled from WV to the adjacent corners of Rush, Shelby and Decatur in the decade from 1823. Mapping them has kept my detective instincts alive. Why Australia? Born outside Chicago, I grew up near Boston and embarked for an extended honeymoon and PhD research on decolonization in the most remote part of Africa I could find, ex-French-Equatorial, then taught in universities in Nigeria. When the Australian National University offered research in Papua New Guinea I jumped, and eventually settled into teaching and running the graduate program in political science in Canberra. Much of my research since the mid-1980s has been focused on the development of AIDS policies in Australia, with a chance to advise both here and in parts of Africa, Asia and the Pacific. I retired from teaching a couple of years ago, but have been engaged in a series of consultancies at the ANU while based in the Graduate School. My sons have been infected by the peripatetic nature of their upbringing: one does research on mining companies and local communities in Irian Jaya while the other, a carpenter and nurse, plans to work for Doctors without Borders overseas. I can't offer the tantalizing library resources that Sue sets out, but can recommend to other co-ordinators a few obscure web links to be found on the Decatur page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~indecatu/indecatu.html Greetings from a late spring in Canberra. Dr J A Ballard <john.ballard@anu.edu.au> Graduate School, Australian National University, Canberra ACT 0200, Australia Tel +61 2 6249 5487 Fax +61 2 6249 4829

Sue, from your bio, you sound like a great addition to INGenWeb Project and a wonderful resource for Rush Co., In researchers. I like your sense of humor. Welcome to INGenWeb! JGW, A Tri-Coordinator, Vanderburgh Co., InGenWeb At 01:28 PM 10/14/98 -0500, Sue Prifogle Otte wrote: >Hi, Rush County & Indiana Mailers! > >I'm Sue Otte and I guess (okay, I *know*) I have taken over the Rush >County Gen Page. If you only knew me personally, you would know how >scary this is! > >Anyway, I'm the Director at the Rushville Public Library. I thought >since I answer so many genealogy queries (via phone, US mail, & email) >each week here at the Library, I was sort of a natural for the page. > >Just a bit about me... I was born here in Rushville 38 years ago (my >parents are Fayette County natives). I have been researching my own >family history (which is full of Quakers mostly) since I was a junior in >high school. I graduated from Rushville High in '78, from Indiana >University (majored in history) in '82, and from Ball State U (masters >in library science) in '84. >After doing stints in the libraries in Wells County, Indiana, and Perry >Co, Ohio, I returned to Rushville in 1989 and was crowned Director of >the Library (Sue the 1st!). >By the way, you'll probably notice I have a strange sense of humor. >I recently got married for the first time... my hubby's name is Ernie. >We have two ornery cats (Cy & Izzy) who are trying to adjust to the new >intruder (Ernie) in the house. > >Here in Rush Co, we seem to have a hard time finding people to do >research. If you send me a note here at the Library, we can do searches >in our Indiana Room (which, by the way if you haven't visited, is well >worth a looksee). However, researching at the courthouse is another >story. We used to have a couple of ladies who did researching. One is >an elderly lady who is up to her neck in research and, unfortunately, >under the weather... The other lady just sorta pooped out on us and left >us high & dry. If anyone knows someone in or around Rushville who would >be willing to do research outside the Library, please let me know. > >If you would like to visit the Rushville Public Library, you can do so >on the web. Our address is http://comsys.net/rushlib/index.html >On our webpage, we have a list of some of the items you can find in our >Indiana Room. You can also find out our hours and things like that. > >You can reach me here at the Library at rushlib@comsys.net or personally >at my home account which is spri@rush.cnz.com. > >Anyway, I hope I do a good job for you Rush Co researchers. I'll do my >best! > >Let the wild rumpus begin! > >Sue Prifogle Otte > > >

Hi, Rush County & Indiana Mailers! I'm Sue Otte and I guess (okay, I *know*) I have taken over the Rush County Gen Page. If you only knew me personally, you would know how scary this is! Anyway, I'm the Director at the Rushville Public Library. I thought since I answer so many genealogy queries (via phone, US mail, & email) each week here at the Library, I was sort of a natural for the page. Just a bit about me... I was born here in Rushville 38 years ago (my parents are Fayette County natives). I have been researching my own family history (which is full of Quakers mostly) since I was a junior in high school. I graduated from Rushville High in '78, from Indiana University (majored in history) in '82, and from Ball State U (masters in library science) in '84. After doing stints in the libraries in Wells County, Indiana, and Perry Co, Ohio, I returned to Rushville in 1989 and was crowned Director of the Library (Sue the 1st!). By the way, you'll probably notice I have a strange sense of humor. I recently got married for the first time... my hubby's name is Ernie. We have two ornery cats (Cy & Izzy) who are trying to adjust to the new intruder (Ernie) in the house. Here in Rush Co, we seem to have a hard time finding people to do research. If you send me a note here at the Library, we can do searches in our Indiana Room (which, by the way if you haven't visited, is well worth a looksee). However, researching at the courthouse is another story. We used to have a couple of ladies who did researching. One is an elderly lady who is up to her neck in research and, unfortunately, under the weather... The other lady just sorta pooped out on us and left us high & dry. If anyone knows someone in or around Rushville who would be willing to do research outside the Library, please let me know. If you would like to visit the Rushville Public Library, you can do so on the web. Our address is http://comsys.net/rushlib/index.html On our webpage, we have a list of some of the items you can find in our Indiana Room. You can also find out our hours and things like that. You can reach me here at the Library at rushlib@comsys.net or personally at my home account which is spri@rush.cnz.com. Anyway, I hope I do a good job for you Rush Co researchers. I'll do my best! Let the wild rumpus begin! Sue Prifogle Otte

I'd like to welcome Sue Prifogle Otte as the new coordinator for Rush County. Sue has been subscribed to InGen-l and Indytalk and is preparing her page. The page will remain at Rootsweb. Thank you Terasa for all of you work. Betty Sellers INDIANA InGenWeb State Coordinator - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingenweb/ ================================= INDIANA Tri-Coordinator Vanderburgh InGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~invander/vand.htm KENTUCKY Trigg KyGenWeb http://www.comsource.net/~kyseeker/kylines/kytg.html Christian KyGenWeb http://www.usroots.com/kyseeker/public_html/christian/christian4.htm

-----Original Message----- From: Vital Records Webmaster <webmaster@vitalrec.com> To: kyseeker@comsource.net <kyseeker@comsource.net> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:35 AM Subject: New URL - Indiana vital records link >Dear State GenWeb Coordinator, > >I have moved my Indiana Vital Records Information web site to a new >location. Can you please let all the County GenWeb Coordinators know about >the new URL? Most of the County pages have a link to my web site. > >Old URL: http://www.inlink.com/~nomi/vitalrec/in.html > >New URL: http://vitalrec.com/in.html > >Thanks! > >-Beth >========================================= >Vital Records webmaster <webmaster@vitalrec.com> ><http://vitalrec.com> >========================================= >

-----Original Message----- From: Andgenser@aol.com <Andgenser@aol.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 6:10 AM Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] ALHN Mail List >Hi ALL, > >For those that may be interested....an ALHN Mail List has been announced: >---------------------------------------------------- > > The American History Local Network (ALHN) is pleased to announce a list for > persons interested in knowing more about ALHN, how they can become > volunteers and how they can submit their sites for inclusion into the many > categories and topics that have been established. > > To subscribe please send a message to: > > majordomo@rootsquest.com > > with only the message "subscribe alhn-l" in the body (no quotes and > that's a lowercase "L"). > > If you haven't heard of the American Local History Network please visit the > following links: > > http://www.rootsquest.com/~amhisnet/about.html > http://www.rootsquest.com/~amhisnet/index.html > http://www.rootsquest.com/~amhisnet/state.html > http://www.rootsquest.com/~amhisnet/topic.html > > We hope you find ALHN useful and informative and will join us. > > Thank you, > > Jeffrey C. Weaver Jweaver300@aol.com > Mary Floy Katzman maryfloy@mkatzman.tiac.com >--------------------------------------------------- > >Thanks for your interest, > >Darlene Anderson > > > > > > > > > > >==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > >

Don, Big Fat Hairy Deal. >>the next few months. I also demand that the voting populace of the USGenWeb >>Project be kept updated on the progress made on the impeachment amendment. >> >>Donald L. Spidell >>ASC AZGenWeb >>CC Graham County, AZ >>CC Frederick County, MD >>CC Washington County, AZ

And as the cowboy rides away the men wave their hats and the ladies sniff their hankies. Sam we love ya! Don't think your getting away with this - cause we all plan on callin on ya for a lot of help! -----Original Message----- From: Sam Cline <scline@hoosierweb.org> To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 4:13 PM Subject: What Webs We Mortals Sometimes Weave >One last word to my kind of people. > >I have now found new homes for all of the INGenWeb pages I have been >responsible for. I must therefore, reluctantly, say goodbye as a >County Coordinator for INGenWeb. > >Do not allow yourselves to become upset and frustrated by some of the >messages that you see coming through to you that are forwarded from >USGENWEB-ALL. [Like the ones from Mr. Spider (I'm not sure that is >the correct name.) that came through earlier today. Some folks are >simply going to whine and gripe their way through life no matter what >the rest of us do. Life is too short for that kind of stuff. Paint >your delete key red and use it often. [And don't worry about Betty >forwarding a big bunch of similar messages to you; it ain't gonna >happen.] > >The National Coordinator, National Advisory Board, State Coordinators, >County Coordinators, Special Project Coordinators, and all those other >people who are involved in the USGENWEB project on a daily basis >providing high quality FREE data for the entire world are doing so as >a labor of love. Be that as it may, in any organization 1%, sometimes >more, of the persons involved are right all the time, even if they are >totally wrong most of the time. They are basically trying to feather >their own nest, let everyone know they know it all (fortunately we >have never had that type of person involved, to my knowledge, with the >INGenWeb project), and let the rest of us know we are dumber than a >box of rocks. I'll take all the boxes of rocks I can get any day >rather than someone who is always right and whining and gripping >continually letting us know why they are right and why they are always >going to be right, in their minds at least. > >So keep smiling; be happy; and keep up the good work! A little >Hoosier Hospitality never hurt anyone. You folks who live outside >Indiana and are working with the INGenweb project have got to have >some of that "Hoosier Hospitality" in your blood, just because of your >involvement with INGenWeb. > >Goodbye. [He says as he rides off into the sunset with his herd of >pack mules loaded with 37 years of history and genealogy research in >Indiana. Anyone with that much stuff should at least offer an >occasional helping hand. You got it--just let me know. I don't >however work as fast as I used to.] > >Sam Cline > >Morgan County Council ~ >http://www.scican.net/government/mc-gov/councilm.html >Morgan County Indiana Historian - IHB/IHS ~ >http://www2.ihs1830.org/ihs1830/cohist.htm >Indiana Genealogical Society ~ http://www.indgensoc.org/ >HoosierWeb ~ http://www.hoosierweb.org >The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores. >The latch string is always out. > > >

Sam, we are going to miss you: your intellect, knowledge and humor, as well as, your contributions to your counties and the INGenWeb Project as a whole. Thanks and good luck. [Some cheap, unsolicited advice - do not follow too closely on foot behind those pack mules - you could be stepping into something that those 37 years of research did not prepare you for! <silly grin>] John G. West, Tri-Coordinator, Vanderburgh Co., INGenWeb At 06:23 PM 10/11/98 -0700, Sam Cline wrote: >One last word to my kind of people. > >I have now found new homes for all of the INGenWeb pages I have been >responsible for. I must therefore, reluctantly, say goodbye as a >County Coordinator for INGenWeb. > >Do not allow yourselves to become upset and frustrated by some of the >messages that you see coming through to you that are forwarded from >USGENWEB-ALL. [Like the ones from Mr. Spider (I'm not sure that is >the correct name.) that came through earlier today. Some folks are >simply going to whine and gripe their way through life no matter what >the rest of us do. Life is too short for that kind of stuff. Paint >your delete key red and use it often. [And don't worry about Betty >forwarding a big bunch of similar messages to you; it ain't gonna >happen.] > >The National Coordinator, National Advisory Board, State Coordinators, >County Coordinators, Special Project Coordinators, and all those other >people who are involved in the USGENWEB project on a daily basis >providing high quality FREE data for the entire world are doing so as >a labor of love. Be that as it may, in any organization 1%, sometimes >more, of the persons involved are right all the time, even if they are >totally wrong most of the time. They are basically trying to feather >their own nest, let everyone know they know it all (fortunately we >have never had that type of person involved, to my knowledge, with the >INGenWeb project), and let the rest of us know we are dumber than a >box of rocks. I'll take all the boxes of rocks I can get any day >rather than someone who is always right and whining and gripping >continually letting us know why they are right and why they are always >going to be right, in their minds at least. > >So keep smiling; be happy; and keep up the good work! A little >Hoosier Hospitality never hurt anyone. You folks who live outside >Indiana and are working with the INGenweb project have got to have >some of that "Hoosier Hospitality" in your blood, just because of your >involvement with INGenWeb. > >Goodbye. [He says as he rides off into the sunset with his herd of >pack mules loaded with 37 years of history and genealogy research in >Indiana. Anyone with that much stuff should at least offer an >occasional helping hand. You got it--just let me know. I don't >however work as fast as I used to.] > >Sam Cline > >Morgan County Council ~ >http://www.scican.net/government/mc-gov/councilm.html >Morgan County Indiana Historian - IHB/IHS ~ >http://www2.ihs1830.org/ihs1830/cohist.htm >Indiana Genealogical Society ~ http://www.indgensoc.org/ >HoosierWeb ~ http://www.hoosierweb.org >The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores. >The latch string is always out. > > > >

One last word to my kind of people. I have now found new homes for all of the INGenWeb pages I have been responsible for. I must therefore, reluctantly, say goodbye as a County Coordinator for INGenWeb. Do not allow yourselves to become upset and frustrated by some of the messages that you see coming through to you that are forwarded from USGENWEB-ALL. [Like the ones from Mr. Spider (I'm not sure that is the correct name.) that came through earlier today. Some folks are simply going to whine and gripe their way through life no matter what the rest of us do. Life is too short for that kind of stuff. Paint your delete key red and use it often. [And don't worry about Betty forwarding a big bunch of similar messages to you; it ain't gonna happen.] The National Coordinator, National Advisory Board, State Coordinators, County Coordinators, Special Project Coordinators, and all those other people who are involved in the USGENWEB project on a daily basis providing high quality FREE data for the entire world are doing so as a labor of love. Be that as it may, in any organization 1%, sometimes more, of the persons involved are right all the time, even if they are totally wrong most of the time. They are basically trying to feather their own nest, let everyone know they know it all (fortunately we have never had that type of person involved, to my knowledge, with the INGenWeb project), and let the rest of us know we are dumber than a box of rocks. I'll take all the boxes of rocks I can get any day rather than someone who is always right and whining and gripping continually letting us know why they are right and why they are always going to be right, in their minds at least. So keep smiling; be happy; and keep up the good work! A little Hoosier Hospitality never hurt anyone. You folks who live outside Indiana and are working with the INGenweb project have got to have some of that "Hoosier Hospitality" in your blood, just because of your involvement with INGenWeb. Goodbye. [He says as he rides off into the sunset with his herd of pack mules loaded with 37 years of history and genealogy research in Indiana. Anyone with that much stuff should at least offer an occasional helping hand. You got it--just let me know. I don't however work as fast as I used to.] Sam Cline Morgan County Council ~ http://www.scican.net/government/mc-gov/councilm.html Morgan County Indiana Historian - IHB/IHS ~ http://www2.ihs1830.org/ihs1830/cohist.htm Indiana Genealogical Society ~ http://www.indgensoc.org/ HoosierWeb ~ http://www.hoosierweb.org The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores. The latch string is always out.

John - I really appreciate your information and comments on these forwarded posts. I'd really like to see a few good 'pat on the backs' to our National Coordinator and Advisory Board myself. -----Original Message----- From: John G. West <mylines@evansville.net> To: Betty Sellers <kyseeker@comsource.net>; INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 12:12 PM Subject: Re: -Fw: [STATE-COORD-L] Letter of complaint, chapter 3 >Don Spidell must think he is Kenneth Starr and Nancy et al is President >Clinton and his administration.[laughing] I think that when people are >demanded to renounce people or things and require who people can be >associated with or whatever may be un-Constitutional in the real world, but >if not who elected Don to be Master of Conflict of Interests? [grin] Don >calls himself the Mad Viking and seems to have a personal vendetta against >the Dill family. I know him from working with him on the USIGS Board of >Directors and he flies off the collar about anything before he thinks about >it. I consider him to be dangerous! JGW > >At 01:08 PM 10/11/98 -0700, Betty Sellers wrote: >>I am forwarding this letter from the State Coordinator list - as requested. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Don Spidell <dspidell@zekes.com> >>To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 7:09 AM >>Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Letter of complaint, chapter 3 >> >> >>>I have been told that I have not made myself perfectly clear, as to what I >>>wanted of the board pertaining Nancy Trice and Troy Holt. Let me make >>myself >>>perfectly clear: >>> >>>1. I would like for Nancy Trice and Maureen Reed to be severely reprimanded >>>and censured. >>>2. The impeachment process should be spelled out and an amendment made to >>>the bylaws, including the impeachment process. >>>3. Impeachment investigation and hearings should then be implemented for >>>Nancy Trice and Maureen Reed, IF they do not change their behavior. (One >>>behavior change would be to completely renounce the "USGenWeb, inc" and >>>cease to do all business with the Dills, as that is clearly a conflict of >>>interest for members of the governing body of the USGenWeb Project. >>>4. Trey Holt has apologized, and I have accepted his apology, while Maureen >>>Reed has indicated that she would not accept any kind of reprimand or >>>censure. >>>5. Since Maureen Reed has shown that she is not going to accept any sort of >>>reprimand or censure, she should be declared "Persona Non Grata" on all >>>public lists of the USGenWeb Project immediately. In other words she should >>>be locked out of all USGenWeb Project lists, including the state lists, >>>ie:Kansas, but perhaps not the BOARD list, as she would still be >>technically >>>a member of the board. >>> >>>Donald L. Spidell >>>SC's Please pass this on to your CC's, Thank you. >>> >>> >> >> >> >

I am forwarding his first letter. -----Original Message----- From: Don Spidell <dspidell@zekes.com> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 12:14 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Letter of Complaint/Grievance revisitted >Dear Members of the USGenWeb Project Board: > >I submit this letter in accordance with Article XIV, Sections 1 and 2 of >the USGenWeb Project bylaws. > >I sent the letter below to my representatives as an ASC of Arizona and a CC >of a county in Arizona. My letter was ignored by one and all. Betsy Mills >has since apologized for not following up on my letter, and I have accepted >her apology. > >However, for the others, Trey Holt and Maureen Reed, they should be >reprimanded for not representing me, and severely censured by the USGenWeb >Board. > >In the matter of Maureen Reed; She has been stepping way beyond her bounds >as a member of the USGenWeb Board. She has been meddling in the internal >affairs of State Projects, and Special Projects, which is not where the >board has any authority. > >In Missouri, Maureen Reed demanded answers to questions as to why a >particular person was chosen to be State Coordinator, and why another person >was not chosen. This is an internal matter of the State, and is none of the >business of Maureen Reed as a board member. > >I suspect she has been interfering with the internal business of Kansas, but >I don't have any direct input on that affair. > >In the USGenWeb Archives Project, Maureen Reed demanded the answers to >certain questions about the internal operations of the Project, and when she >was answered, she continued to demand more and obviously different answers >than those she was given. When she was graciously allowed to log onto the >mailing list of the USGenWeb Archives Project, she demanded that the whole >mailing list of KSGenWeb be subscribed to the USGenWeb Archives Project >mailing list. When this was not allowed by members of the USGenWeb Archives >Project, she continued to be a disruptive and argumentative disturbance on >the list, until we were forced to have her removed, and then she continued >her disturbances and disruptions tantamount to causing a riot on the >USGenWeb-All mailing list. I have said that her questions were answered, >even though she did not have the authority to demand any of them to be >answered, as they were all dealing with the internal operations of a Special >Project, where the USGenWeb Board has no authority. Now she is still >demanding that a page of the USGenWeb Archives be removed. I am talking >about the Table of Contents page for the archives stored in the Kansas >section of the archives project. She does not have the authority to demand >that we remove any page from the archives project, and yet she is still >demanding that it be done. > >So, I demand that she be stilled! Maureen Reed should be put under a >restraining order to cease and desist harassing the USGenWeb Archives >Project with her demands. Maureen Reed should be reprimanded severely for >interfering with the internal business of state projects and special >projects. Maureen Reed should be put on probation for at least six months >under threat of being declared Persona Non Grata on all public mailing lists >that have anything to do with the USGenWeb Project. > >It has come to the attention of myself and several others that there is no >provision for impeachment of board members and the National Coordinator. I >demand that the board have an emergency session to immediately begin >drafting an amendment to the by-laws addressing impeachment, and that the >amendment be presented to the voting populace of the USGenWeb Project within >the next few months. I also demand that the voting populace of the USGenWeb >Project be kept updated on the progress made on the impeachment amendment. > >Donald L. Spidell >ASC AZGenWeb >CC Graham County, AZ >CC Frederick County, MD >CC Washington County, AZ > >Here is the original letter: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Spidell <dspidell@zekes.com> >To: betsym@1starnet.com <betsym@1starnet.com>; holt@txcyber.com ><holt@txcyber.com>; mreed@sky.net <mreed@sky.net> >Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 5:34 PM >Subject: Letter of Complaint/Grievance > > >>I submit this letter in accordance with Article XIV, Sections 1 and 2 of >the >>USGW bylaws. >> >>Inasmuch you are my area representatives, it is your obligation to deliver >>this to the board as a valid complaint, and see that it is addressed >>formally and answered to my satisfaction. >> >>This a formal complaint against the National Coordinator of USGW Project. >In >>that; >> >>1. The NC has informed the Board of Advisors that she may choose to ignore >>them. Thereby depriving me of representation by my elected representatives >>if she so chooses. >> >>2. The NC "requested" or otherwise influenced members of the Advisory Board >>not to post messages on the USGenWeb-ALL list. Thereby "in effect" >depriving >>me of a means of getting reports from my elected representatives, and "in >>effect" infringing upon the US Constitutional right of said representatives >>to freedom of speech. >> >>3. The NC arbitrarily selected RRoO as a guide to administer the project >>with complete disregard for input, discussion, etc. of the Advisory Board. >>Thereby depriving me of representation by my elected representatives >>regarding the suitability of RRoO to our organization or locally prepared >>Parliamentary Procedures. >> >>4. The NC selected / appointed a Parliamentarian with complete disregard to >>input, discussion, etc. of the Advisory Board. Thereby depriving me of >>representation by my elected representatives regarding the need of a >>Parliamentarian and if so, whom. >> >>5. The NC "insisted" or otherwise demanded that monthly meetings would be >>held by IRC session in direct conflict and complete disregard of duly >>elected representatives of the Advisory Board. Thereby creating a situation >>whereas one or more of my elected representatives for whatever reason may >be >>unable to attend, thus depriving me of fair and equitable representation by >>said representatives should the occasion arise. >> >>6. The NC "posted" or caused to be posted an Agenda for a promulgated >>meeting to be held 1 Oct. 1998 which is, at very least, incomplete. This >>Agenda contains no "Call for New Business" thus creating a situation in >>which any motion from other board members could be ruled "Out of Order, Not >>on the Agenda" by the NC and the NC appointed Parliamentarian. Thereby >>attempting to negate the authority vested in the elected representatives of >>the Advisory Board and depriving me of representation by said >>representatives. >> >>In accordance with Article VI Section 3 of the USGW by-laws I hereby demand >>immediate action regarding all numerical points expressed in this letter of >>complaint/grievance. I request the Board of Advisors keep me apprised of >>ongoing status of my grievances. >> >>Comment: >>Personal pleas from rational and sincere persons to reconsider her position >>have evidently fallen on deaf ears. I view her behavior as a slap in the >>face of the very people she was elected to represent. No matter how good >her >>intentions, this kind of combative, dictatorial behavior cannot be >>tolerated. I call for her immediate resignation. >> >>Donald L. Spidell >>Assistant SC AZGenWeb >>CC Graham County AZGenWeb >>CC Frederick County MDGenWeb >>CC Washington County MDGenWeb >> > > >

I am forwarding this letter from the State Coordinator list - as requested. -----Original Message----- From: Don Spidell <dspidell@zekes.com> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 7:09 AM Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Letter of complaint, chapter 3 >I have been told that I have not made myself perfectly clear, as to what I >wanted of the board pertaining Nancy Trice and Troy Holt. Let me make myself >perfectly clear: > >1. I would like for Nancy Trice and Maureen Reed to be severely reprimanded >and censured. >2. The impeachment process should be spelled out and an amendment made to >the bylaws, including the impeachment process. >3. Impeachment investigation and hearings should then be implemented for >Nancy Trice and Maureen Reed, IF they do not change their behavior. (One >behavior change would be to completely renounce the "USGenWeb, inc" and >cease to do all business with the Dills, as that is clearly a conflict of >interest for members of the governing body of the USGenWeb Project. >4. Trey Holt has apologized, and I have accepted his apology, while Maureen >Reed has indicated that she would not accept any kind of reprimand or >censure. >5. Since Maureen Reed has shown that she is not going to accept any sort of >reprimand or censure, she should be declared "Persona Non Grata" on all >public lists of the USGenWeb Project immediately. In other words she should >be locked out of all USGenWeb Project lists, including the state lists, >ie:Kansas, but perhaps not the BOARD list, as she would still be technically >a member of the board. > >Donald L. Spidell >SC's Please pass this on to your CC's, Thank you. > >

Don Spidell must think he is Kenneth Starr and Nancy et al is President Clinton and his administration.[laughing] I think that when people are demanded to renounce people or things and require who people can be associated with or whatever may be un-Constitutional in the real world, but if not who elected Don to be Master of Conflict of Interests? [grin] Don calls himself the Mad Viking and seems to have a personal vendetta against the Dill family. I know him from working with him on the USIGS Board of Directors and he flies off the collar about anything before he thinks about it. I consider him to be dangerous! JGW At 01:08 PM 10/11/98 -0700, Betty Sellers wrote: >I am forwarding this letter from the State Coordinator list - as requested. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Spidell <dspidell@zekes.com> >To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sunday, October 11, 1998 7:09 AM >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Letter of complaint, chapter 3 > > >>I have been told that I have not made myself perfectly clear, as to what I >>wanted of the board pertaining Nancy Trice and Troy Holt. Let me make >myself >>perfectly clear: >> >>1. I would like for Nancy Trice and Maureen Reed to be severely reprimanded >>and censured. >>2. The impeachment process should be spelled out and an amendment made to >>the bylaws, including the impeachment process. >>3. Impeachment investigation and hearings should then be implemented for >>Nancy Trice and Maureen Reed, IF they do not change their behavior. (One >>behavior change would be to completely renounce the "USGenWeb, inc" and >>cease to do all business with the Dills, as that is clearly a conflict of >>interest for members of the governing body of the USGenWeb Project. >>4. Trey Holt has apologized, and I have accepted his apology, while Maureen >>Reed has indicated that she would not accept any kind of reprimand or >>censure. >>5. Since Maureen Reed has shown that she is not going to accept any sort of >>reprimand or censure, she should be declared "Persona Non Grata" on all >>public lists of the USGenWeb Project immediately. In other words she should >>be locked out of all USGenWeb Project lists, including the state lists, >>ie:Kansas, but perhaps not the BOARD list, as she would still be >technically >>a member of the board. >> >>Donald L. Spidell >>SC's Please pass this on to your CC's, Thank you. >> >> > > >