Jeffrey K. Espich Indiana House of Representatives, District 82 - Republican - Seat # 52 Residence: P.O. Box 158, Uniondale, IN 46791 Phone: business: ---; home: (219) 543-2546 Timothy Fesko Indiana House of Representatives, District 15 - Republican - Seat # 66 Residence: 1121 Holly Lane, Munster, IN 46321 Phone: business: (219) 836-8900; home: (219) 923-5837 Ralph M. Foley Indiana House of Representatives, District 47 - Republican - Seat # 80 Residence: 400 Byram Blvd., Martinsville, IN 46151 Phone: business: (317) 342-8474; home: (317) 342-3031 David C. Ford Indiana State Senate, District 19 - Republican - Seat # 47 Residence: 2776 S. Angling Pike, Hartford City, IN 46348 Phone: business: ---; home: --- William C. Friend Indiana House of Representatives, District 23 - Republican - Seat # 81 Residence: R.R. #2 Box 314, Macy, IN 46951 Phone: business: (317) 472-3901; home: (219) 382-3885 David N. Frizzell Indiana House of Representatives, District 93 - Republican - Seat # 85 Residence: 8310 Hill Gail Drive, Indianapolis, IN 47217 Phone: business: (317) 635-8885; home: (317) 882-2146 Craig R. Fry Indiana House of Representatives, District 5 - Democrat - Seat # 41 Residence: 637 Bay View Drive, Mishawaka, IN 46544 Phone: business: (219) 289-7001; home: (219) 255-1923 Beverly J. Gard Indiana State Senate, District 28 - Republican - Seat # 13 Residence: 3660 N 50 E, Greenfield, IN 46140 Phone: business: ---; home: 317-462-2527 Robert D. Garton Indiana State Senate, District 41 - Republican - Seat # 1 Residence: 530 Franklin Street, Columbus, IN 47201 Phone: business: 812-379-9509; home: 812-342-3984 Michael E. Gery Indiana State Senate, District 22 - Democrat - Seat # 33 Residence: 530 Robinson Street, W. Lafayette, IN 47906 Phone: business: 317-232-9643; home: 317-743-1253 Gloria J. Goeglein Indiana House of Representatives, District 84 - Republican - Seat # 79 Residence: 9339 Maysville Road, Fort Wayne, IN 46815 Phone: business: ---; home: (219) 493-1393 John R. Gregg Indiana House of Representatives, District 45 - Democrat - Seat # 1 Residence: 308 Anderson Street, Sandborn, IN 47578 Phone: business: (812) 886-0602; home: (812) 694-7499

James C. Conlon Indiana House of Representatives, District 19 - Republican - Seat # 75 Residence: 341 Maple Lane, Crown Point, IN 46307 Phone: business: ---; home: (219) 663-2868 Gary L. Cook Indiana House of Representatives, District 17 - Democrat - Seat # 43 Residence: 11385 9th Road, Plymouth, IN 46563 Phone: business: ---; home: (219) 936-3002 William A. Crawford Indiana House of Representatives, District 98 - Democrat - Seat # 26 Residence: P.O. Box 18446, Indianapolis, IN 46218 Phone: business: ---; home: (317) 545-4175 Allie V. Craycraft, Jr. Indiana State Senate, District 26 - Democrat - Seat # 43 Residence: R.R.2, 9501 East Jackson, Selma, IN 47383 Phone: business: ---; home: 317-282-0010 Susan R. Crosby Indiana House of Representatives, District 44 - Democrat - Seat # 31 Residence: R1 Box 134, Roachdale, IN 46172 Phone: business: ---; home: (317) 522-1933 James L. Davis Indiana House of Representatives, District 28 - Republican - Seat # 63 Residence: 1351 Forest Drive, Frankfort, IN 46041 Phone: business: ---; home: (317) 654-7093 Jerry L. Denbo Indiana House of Representatives, District 62 - Democrat - Seat # 30 Residence: RR. #1 Box 329, French Lick, IN 47432 Phone: business: (812) 936-2483; home: (812) 936-2483 Mae Dickinson Indiana House of Representatives, District 95 - Democrat - Seat # 38 Residence: 5455 North Arlington Avenue, Indianapolis, IN 46226 Phone: business: ---; home: (317) 547-0668 Chester F. Dobis Indiana House of Representatives, District 13 - Democrat - Seat # 2 Residence: 6565 Marshall Court, Merrillville, IN 46410 Phone: business: (219) 738-4131; home: (219) 980-9046 Indiana Regional Planning Commission. Indiana University North Chancellors Cleo Duncan Indiana House of Representatives, District 67 - Republican - Seat # 7 Residence: 1205 East Tara Road, Greensburg, IN 47240 Phone: business: ---; home: (812) 663-5595 Michael A. Dvorak Indiana House of Representatives, District 8 - Democrat - Seat # 16 Residence: 15815 Lake Knoll Court, Granger, IN 46530 Phone: business: (219) 234-5400; home: (219) 277-1538 Barbara L. Engle Indiana House of Representatives, District 79 - Republican - Seat # 90 Residence: 916 Waynesboro Road, Decatur, IN 46733 Phone: business: (219) 724-7121; home: (219) 724-7408

Charlie Brown Indiana House of Representatives, District 3 - Democrat - Seat # 40 Residence: 9439 Lake Shore Drive, Gary, IN 46403 Phone: business: (219) 885-4264; home: (219) 938-6548 Timothy N. Brown Indiana House of Representatives, District 41 - Republican - Seat # 53 Residence: 1103 Winterberry Drive, Crawfordsville, IN 47933 Phone: business: (317) 362-5789; home: (317) 362-7024 Jim Buck Indiana House of Representatives, District 38 - Republican - Seat # 77 Residence: 4407 McKibben Drive, Kokomo, IN 46902 Phone: business: (317) 451-7701; home: (317) 453-9216 Mary Kay Budak Indiana House of Representatives, District 20 - Republican - Seat # 67 Residence: 5144 Pawnee Trail, LaPorte, IN 46350 Phone: business: ---; home: (219) 879-4949 Lawrence L. Buell Indiana House of Representatives, District 89 - Republican - Seat # 82 Residence: 2502 Silver Lane Drive, Indianapolis, IN 46203 Phone: business: (317) 541-2009; home: (317) 322-5930 Charles W. "Woody" Burton Indiana House of Representatives, District 58 - Republican - Seat # 83 Residence: 147 Monticello Drive, Greenwood, IN 46142 Phone: business: (317) 888-9300; home: (317) 881-0400 J. Murray Clark Indiana State Senate, District 29 - Republican - Seat # 11 Residence: 601 W. 91st Stree, Indianapolis, IN 46260 Phone: business: ---; home: --- William C. Cochran Indiana House of Representatives, District 72 - Democrat - Seat # 5 Residence: 4330 Green Valley Road, New Albany, IN 47150 Phone: business: (812) 944-6755; home: (812) 944-8573

Indiana State Representatives Sorted by Last Name This list prepared by Steven Gottlieb, one of the League of American Bicyclists, Area Representatives for Indiana Kent Adams Indiana State Senate, District 9 - Republican - Seat # 27 Residence: 105 Beechwood Drive, Bremen, IN 46506 Phone: business: 219-267-8111; home: 219-546-3119 Robert K. Alderman Indiana House of Representatives, District 83 - Republican - Seat # 69 Residence: 5715 Kroemer Road, Fort Wayne, IN 46818 Phone: business: (219) 489-5349; home: --- Thomas J. Alevizos Indiana House of Representatives, District 9 - Democrat - Seat # 42 Residence: P O Box 368, Michigan City, IN 46361 Phone: business: (219) 874-4181; home: (219) 872-1853 William E. Alexa Indiana State Senate, District 5 - Democrat - Seat # 35 Residence: 2207 Shannon Drive, Valparaiso, IN 46383 Phone: business: 219-462-2126; home: 219-462-5345 Rose Ann Antich Indiana State Senate, District 4 - Democrat - Seat # 40 Residence: 5401 Lincoln Street, Merrillville, IN 46410 Phone: business: ---; home: 219-980-0010 Dennis T. Avery Indiana House of Representatives, District 75 - Democrat - Seat # 33 Residence: 11400 Big Cynthiana Road, Evansville, IN 47720 Phone: business: (812) 963-9126; home: --- Ralph D. Ayres Indiana House of Representatives, District 4 - Republican - Seat # 59 Residence: 520 Park Avenue, Chesterton, IN 46304 Phone: business: (219) 926-3177; home: --- William W. Bailey Indiana House of Representatives, District 66 - Democrat - Seat # 50 Residence: 1137 Ernest Drive, Seymour, IN 47274 Phone: business: (812) 522-8666; home: --- Jerry F. Bales Indiana House of Representatives, District 60 - Republican - Seat # 56 Residence: P.O. Box 115, Bloomington, IN 47402 Phone: business: (812) 333-4129; home: --- B. Patrick Bauer Indiana House of Representatives, District 6 - Democrat - Seat # 4 Residence: 1307 Sunnymeade, South Bend, IN 46615 Phone: business: (219) 234-4318; home: (219) 234-4318

Indiana State Representatives Sorted by Last Name This list prepared by Steven Gottlieb, one of the League of American Bicyclists, Area Representatives for Indiana Kent Adams Indiana State Senate, District 9 - Republican - Seat # 27 Residence: 105 Beechwood Drive, Bremen, IN 46506 Phone: business: 219-267-8111; home: 219-546-3119 Robert K. Alderman Indiana House of Representatives, District 83 - Republican - Seat # 69 Residence: 5715 Kroemer Road, Fort Wayne, IN 46818 Phone: business: (219) 489-5349; home: --- Thomas J. Alevizos Indiana House of Representatives, District 9 - Democrat - Seat # 42 Residence: P O Box 368, Michigan City, IN 46361 Phone: business: (219) 874-4181; home: (219) 872-1853 William E. Alexa Indiana State Senate, District 5 - Democrat - Seat # 35 Residence: 2207 Shannon Drive, Valparaiso, IN 46383 Phone: business: 219-462-2126; home: 219-462-5345 Rose Ann Antich Indiana State Senate, District 4 - Democrat - Seat # 40 Residence: 5401 Lincoln Street, Merrillville, IN 46410 Phone: business: ---; home: 219-980-0010 Dennis T. Avery Indiana House of Representatives, District 75 - Democrat - Seat # 33 Residence: 11400 Big Cynthiana Road, Evansville, IN 47720 Phone: business: (812) 963-9126; home: --- Ralph D. Ayres Indiana House of Representatives, District 4 - Republican - Seat # 59 Residence: 520 Park Avenue, Chesterton, IN 46304 Phone: business: (219) 926-3177; home: --- William W. Bailey Indiana House of Representatives, District 66 - Democrat - Seat # 50 Residence: 1137 Ernest Drive, Seymour, IN 47274 Phone: business: (812) 522-8666; home: --- Jerry F. Bales Indiana House of Representatives, District 60 - Republican - Seat # 56 Residence: P.O. Box 115, Bloomington, IN 47402 Phone: business: (812) 333-4129; home: --- B. Patrick Bauer Indiana House of Representatives, District 6 - Democrat - Seat # 4 Residence: 1307 Sunnymeade, South Bend, IN 46615 Phone: business: (219) 234-4318; home: (219) 234-4318

Wow! 300,000 hits to our Indiana site in little over 2 years!! Congratulations, indeed! JGW At 09:24 AM 11/22/98 -0800, Betty Sellers wrote: >Goodmorning > >I slipped up this week and didn't look at our counter on the Indiana >Home Page - we have reached 300,000 visitors since June of 1996. > >Congratulations Indiana - > >-- >Betty a/k/a >Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana >kyseeker@dynasty.net >=========================== >Indiana State InGenWeb Coordinator - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingenweb/ >Vanderburgh Co., In - http://www.rootsweb.com/~invander/vand.htm >Trigg Co., Ky - http://www.usroots.com/~kyseeker/trigg/trigg.html >Christian Co., Ky - >http://www.usroots.com/kyseeker/public_html/christian/christian4.htm > > >

In a message dated 98-11-22 11:03:09 EST, jmurphy@ERINET.COM writes: << You want to stop this? WRITE OR CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN >> Ok, I'm going to sound clueless for a minute and ask...how do we do that? Who do we write to? What do we say and will it only be read by a secretary who files it in the trash can? Could someone on the list who has more expertise on this maybe write something up...post it to the list along with where we'd send it...then ALL of us print it or modify a little adding our own comments...and ALL of us send it. Plus also send info out onto our county lists about whats going on with cemeteries and include that so others can send it too. Maybe if theyre bombarded by people they'll do something about it? Figured I would ask :) Kathy Lake County

I just re-read Judy's message. Since the graves I wrote about earlier are not in the "cemetery" and I have a quarter acre which was set aside for such purpose I began exploring what it would take (other than deceased individuals) to make it a real cemetery. County Health Dept didn't know, State Health Dept didn't answer, checked land laws and best we could come up with was that in Indiana you can be buried pretty much where you want to as long as you're not breaking any laws by doing so. If there's a lawyer amongst you sure could use some legal research. Sharon ---------- > From: judith murphy <jmurphy@erinet.com> > To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Indiana Cemetary Removal Laws > Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 11:11 AM > > Sharon sure has a point -- with as many genealogists as there are in the > state we should be able to get some type of law passed. > > What confuses me is that I was always under the understanding that Indiana > had the same types of laws as many of the other states and that in order for > a person to even be allowed to be buried in the ground (anywhere in the > state) that it had to be a state-approved and health-dept approved area even > going back to the early 1900's and that this land (even though it is on > private property) was protected and it was because of this that allows the > township and counties to even support and take care of these cemeteries with > tax dollars as well as being charted on the county maps, etc.. Others who > have owned the property previously usually has "given" this land to the > church, county, state, etc. to be used for burial purposes too and even > though there is a new owner it would be the same as a lien on that piece of > property. And usually there is some type of document showing this gift. I > understand that many of the title companies will only go back so far and it > is because of this reason that title insurance is obtained by the owners > because oftentimes they will have a lawsuit on their hands because the title > company did not go back far enough and someone comes up with documents > showing the land was not part of the sale so many years ago, etc. I bet if > someone checked really hard they would find each cemetery in the state of > Indiana has been given to the state, county, township or a church at some > time or other. But, maybe my understanding is faulty (according to what I > read here) -- but it still seems that there is probably a document SOMEWHERE > showing that this is no longer the sale with the property. > > The second thing I would like to point out and wonder about too is if this > (way described here) is the law, then WHY are so many of the cemeteries > moved to other sites when the state or township or county makes roads, > builds dams and lakes, and other things??? As penny-pinching as most of > these government agencies are it seems that they would have taken this same > way out as this one property owner -- dig up, destroy tombstones, etc. -- > but yet they DO relocate entire cemeteries. So WHY wasn't this done in this > instance? > > But, Sharon has a good point -- we really DO need to contact someone -- seem > if historic buildings can be preserved that we can also preserve cemeteries > and their stones. > > Just my 2cents worth. <BTW - did you know the cent mark isn't on your > keyboard anymore? I have checked over 100 keyboards of all makes and models > and can't find one of the computer ones with it on it -- you can use the > ascii codes to make it, but not just hit a key -- just something I noticed > recently> > > Judy M. > >As long as a piece of land has not been removed from the tax books and > >reserved as a cemetery, there's nothing we can do about it. > > > >My friend is a member of the Putnam County Cemetery Board and she advised > >me that the state law says that if the cemetery is on private property, the > >owner of that property may do with it as he pleases. > > > >You want to stop this? WRITE OR CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN > > > >Sharon Bryant > >cc Putnam County > > > >---------- > >

Judy's response leads to me to tell you about the cemetery which I own and how that came about. In the late 1860s my 4th great-grandparents reserved a quarter of an acre apparently to be used as a cemetery and it was gifted to a church. When the church congregation disbanded, the quarter of an acre was sold back to surviving members of the family. This eventually wound up in the hands of a 90+ year old woman without children. When she died I did some investigating and discovered that it, being the cemetery, was back in her private hands instead of being set aside as originally intended. The estate intended to abandon the cemetery as being of no intrinsic value. I petitioned the court and stopped settlement of the estate until a decision could be made about the cemetery. I eventually was given a deed to this quarter acre as being the only person who had an interest in it. (not really--that's just the way the paperwork reads) A farmer had been using the land for 20 years or more and considered it to be his. I had the surveyor go out and survey the quarter acre, and set the survey posts in cement. Only then did I find out that the graves I was trying to preserve (4th great grandparents) weren't even on the quarter acre; they're about 10 feet west. Attempts to ameliorate the situation by an equitable exchange of land were fruitless. So they are still buried on the farmer's land, but he can't, according to law, keep me crossing his land to care for the gravesites. In the meantime I can be reasonably sure that he won't tear down the fence and turn the stones under. Why? Because that part of the county was Knauer "country" and his neighbors are up at arms with his behavior. No, there is no intrinsic value but the sentimental value is priceless. Jacob and Ann Knauer and their five children crossed the country from Pennsylvania to Indiana in a Conestoga Wagon c 1838. I won't let anyone or anything disturb their resting place. Sharon ---------- > From: judith murphy <jmurphy@erinet.com> > To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Indiana Cemetary Removal Laws > Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 11:11 AM > > Sharon sure has a point -- with as many genealogists as there are in the > state we should be able to get some type of law passed. > > What confuses me is that I was always under the understanding that Indiana > had the same types of laws as many of the other states and that in order for > a person to even be allowed to be buried in the ground (anywhere in the > state) that it had to be a state-approved and health-dept approved area even > going back to the early 1900's and that this land (even though it is on > private property) was protected and it was because of this that allows the > township and counties to even support and take care of these cemeteries with > tax dollars as well as being charted on the county maps, etc.. Others who > have owned the property previously usually has "given" this land to the > church, county, state, etc. to be used for burial purposes too and even > though there is a new owner it would be the same as a lien on that piece of > property. And usually there is some type of document showing this gift. I > understand that many of the title companies will only go back so far and it > is because of this reason that title insurance is obtained by the owners > because oftentimes they will have a lawsuit on their hands because the title > company did not go back far enough and someone comes up with documents > showing the land was not part of the sale so many years ago, etc. I bet if > someone checked really hard they would find each cemetery in the state of > Indiana has been given to the state, county, township or a church at some > time or other. But, maybe my understanding is faulty (according to what I > read here) -- but it still seems that there is probably a document SOMEWHERE > showing that this is no longer the sale with the property. > > The second thing I would like to point out and wonder about too is if this > (way described here) is the law, then WHY are so many of the cemeteries > moved to other sites when the state or township or county makes roads, > builds dams and lakes, and other things??? As penny-pinching as most of > these government agencies are it seems that they would have taken this same > way out as this one property owner -- dig up, destroy tombstones, etc. -- > but yet they DO relocate entire cemeteries. So WHY wasn't this done in this > instance? > > But, Sharon has a good point -- we really DO need to contact someone -- seem > if historic buildings can be preserved that we can also preserve cemeteries > and their stones. > > Just my 2cents worth. <BTW - did you know the cent mark isn't on your > keyboard anymore? I have checked over 100 keyboards of all makes and models > and can't find one of the computer ones with it on it -- you can use the > ascii codes to make it, but not just hit a key -- just something I noticed > recently> > > Judy M. > >As long as a piece of land has not been removed from the tax books and > >reserved as a cemetery, there's nothing we can do about it. > > > >My friend is a member of the Putnam County Cemetery Board and she advised > >me that the state law says that if the cemetery is on private property, the > >owner of that property may do with it as he pleases. > > > >You want to stop this? WRITE OR CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN > > > >Sharon Bryant > >cc Putnam County > > > >---------- > >

Goodmorning I slipped up this week and didn't look at our counter on the Indiana Home Page - we have reached 300,000 visitors since June of 1996. Congratulations Indiana - -- Betty a/k/a Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana kyseeker@dynasty.net =========================== Indiana State InGenWeb Coordinator - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingenweb/ Vanderburgh Co., In - http://www.rootsweb.com/~invander/vand.htm Trigg Co., Ky - http://www.usroots.com/~kyseeker/trigg/trigg.html Christian Co., Ky - http://www.usroots.com/kyseeker/public_html/christian/christian4.htm

Betty, is my memory faulty or didn't we lose the counter at one time between June and Nov of 96? If not faulty -- imagine how many visitors we REALLY have had. Also -- that counter doesn't show all the visitors who went directly to county pages, the archives, and other places Indiana supports -- just imagine our REAL numbers -- mind boggling. Thanks also to you, and Fred and all the volunteers' hard work with all these visitors too. Sometimes we forget to pat each other on the back and with this number of visitors you know that EVERYONE has done a wonderful job these past 2 years. BTW when the visitors arrived, did ya'll have enough coffee and donuts to go around??? <grinning........> Judy M. >Goodmorning > >I slipped up this week and didn't look at our counter on the Indiana >Home Page - we have reached 300,000 visitors since June of 1996. > >Congratulations Indiana - > >-- >Betty a/k/a >Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana >kyseeker@dynasty.net >=========================== >Indiana State InGenWeb Coordinator - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingenweb/ >Vanderburgh Co., In - http://www.rootsweb.com/~invander/vand.htm >Trigg Co., Ky - http://www.usroots.com/~kyseeker/trigg/trigg.html >Christian Co., Ky - >http://www.usroots.com/kyseeker/public_html/christian/christian4.htm > > > >

Sharon sure has a point -- with as many genealogists as there are in the state we should be able to get some type of law passed. What confuses me is that I was always under the understanding that Indiana had the same types of laws as many of the other states and that in order for a person to even be allowed to be buried in the ground (anywhere in the state) that it had to be a state-approved and health-dept approved area even going back to the early 1900's and that this land (even though it is on private property) was protected and it was because of this that allows the township and counties to even support and take care of these cemeteries with tax dollars as well as being charted on the county maps, etc.. Others who have owned the property previously usually has "given" this land to the church, county, state, etc. to be used for burial purposes too and even though there is a new owner it would be the same as a lien on that piece of property. And usually there is some type of document showing this gift. I understand that many of the title companies will only go back so far and it is because of this reason that title insurance is obtained by the owners because oftentimes they will have a lawsuit on their hands because the title company did not go back far enough and someone comes up with documents showing the land was not part of the sale so many years ago, etc. I bet if someone checked really hard they would find each cemetery in the state of Indiana has been given to the state, county, township or a church at some time or other. But, maybe my understanding is faulty (according to what I read here) -- but it still seems that there is probably a document SOMEWHERE showing that this is no longer the sale with the property. The second thing I would like to point out and wonder about too is if this (way described here) is the law, then WHY are so many of the cemeteries moved to other sites when the state or township or county makes roads, builds dams and lakes, and other things??? As penny-pinching as most of these government agencies are it seems that they would have taken this same way out as this one property owner -- dig up, destroy tombstones, etc. -- but yet they DO relocate entire cemeteries. So WHY wasn't this done in this instance? But, Sharon has a good point -- we really DO need to contact someone -- seem if historic buildings can be preserved that we can also preserve cemeteries and their stones. Just my 2cents worth. <BTW - did you know the cent mark isn't on your keyboard anymore? I have checked over 100 keyboards of all makes and models and can't find one of the computer ones with it on it -- you can use the ascii codes to make it, but not just hit a key -- just something I noticed recently> Judy M. >As long as a piece of land has not been removed from the tax books and >reserved as a cemetery, there's nothing we can do about it. > >My friend is a member of the Putnam County Cemetery Board and she advised >me that the state law says that if the cemetery is on private property, the >owner of that property may do with it as he pleases. > >You want to stop this? WRITE OR CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN > >Sharon Bryant >cc Putnam County > >---------- >

As long as a piece of land has not been removed from the tax books and reserved as a cemetery, there's nothing we can do about it. My friend is a member of the Putnam County Cemetery Board and she advised me that the state law says that if the cemetery is on private property, the owner of that property may do with it as he pleases. You want to stop this? WRITE OR CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN Sharon Bryant cc Putnam County ---------- > From: AnoleLady@aol.com > To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fwd: Indiana Cemetary Removal Laws > Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 6:27 PM > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_911690878_boundary > Content-ID: <0_911690878@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Do we live in this sick of a state? I am dumbfounded by what I've just read. > Makes you realize that someday all of our, and probably our childrens, bodies > and tombstones will be tossed to the landfills with no more respect than the > beer bottles from last weekends party. > Are all states like this? > Kathy > coordinator-Lake County Indiana > > --part0_911690878_boundary > Content-ID: <0_911690878@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > From: Rootsman57@aol.com > Return-path: <Rootsman57@aol.com> > To: AnoleLady@aol.com > Subject: Indiana Cemetary Removal Laws > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:16:42 EST > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > I read this and I couldnt believe it. They definitly need to change some laws > in that state. Jerry > > The Death of a Cemetery > Wayne Township graveyard destroyed for warehouse shows final resting places > aren't so final under state law. News > Sports > More Services > > By Bill Shaw > Indianapolis Star/News > INDIANAPOLIS (Aug. 22, 1998) -- Sometime in 1844, James Rhoads, a prominent > Wayne Township farmer, died. He was 70. His family members and friends buried > him in a grove of walnut trees on a hill overlooking a little creek. > > It was the first burial in what would become Rhoads Cemetery. During the next > half-century, 43 members of the Rhoads, Foltz, Shute and Rude families would > be sent to eternity in the walnut grove. > > The tiny cemetery was the scene of extraordinary grief over the years as > members of the four families repeatedly journeyed in horse-drawn wagons across > the sweeping fields and up the lonesome hill to bury their children. > > Staff photo / Kelly Wilkinson > DISTURBED GROUND: Danny J. White found this grave marker while looking at the > site of the old Rhoads Cemetery. The grave stone says "Wife of James Rhoads > ...," being the grave stone for Hannah Rhoads. Duke Investments owns this > property now, and White is upset at how the company has excavated this site. > > Thomas B. Rhoads was 7 months old in August 1849 when he died of an inflamed > brain. Elmer Shute was 2 when he died of a bowel infection in August 1859. > Hiram Foltz was an infant. George Foltz was 1. Lillian Rhoads was 2 and died > of whooping cough on Aug. 13, 1878. Casey Rhoads died of an inflamed brain > when he was 2. Emma Rude died at 18 months. > > On and on they died until there were 35 children buried in the peaceful > cemetery on the hill. > > By the dawn of the 20th century, the burying ceased as the four families > either died out or drifted away from southern Wayne Township. Nobody paid much > attention to the old cemetery anymore. > > The cemetery and surrounding farmland changed owners several times. Each new > owner farmed the fields and tended the old cemetery out of respect for earlier > generations of Hoosier families. The farmers could have knocked down the > trees, plowed under the tombstones, planted corn on the graves and made a few > more dollars at harvest. > > But they didn't. > > The pace of change in Wayne Township picked up dramatically in 1931 when the > Indianapolis airport opened on 900 acres, gobbling up farmland and triggering > a development explosion in western Marion County. > > Still, the land around the old cemetery remained untouched, save for the > annual spring plowing. The burying ground remained unmolested, decade after > decade, hidden on the hill in a 60-foot-wide opening in the walnut grove > > Danny J. White grew up in the Lafayette Heights neighborhood, just south of > the cemetery. In the 1970s, the field around the cemetery served as a dirt > bike track for White and his teen-age buddies. He crossed it many times > walking to Ben Davis High School. The old dead-end dirt road served as a teen- > age lovers' lane. Neighborhood families held picnics beneath a massive, > gnarled oak tree just east of the cemetery. > > White, 41, is a tool and die maker and an Indy Racing League mechanic. He > helped fabricate the car Eddie Cheever drove to victory in the 1998 > Indianapolis 500. > > Every day driving to work along I-465 near the airport, he'd glance to the > east through the sprawl of hotels, office buildings, warehouses, parking lots, > gas stations and fast food joints, and take comfort that the solitary hill and > the dark grove of trees remained in this mass of concrete and asphalt. > > "Even when I was a kid the cemetery and the area surrounding it was > breathtaking," he recalled. > > In the name of development > > By 1995, the fields that stretched to the horizon when James Rhoads was buried > so long ago had shrunk to 21.2 acres. > > Now jet planes scream overhead, and the rumble of nearby I-70 and I-465 is > constant. Cement trucks and construction equipment line the old lovers' lane, > and new buildings seem to appear daily, landscaped with skinny stick trees, > surrounded by acres of asphalt. > > One day about 18 months ago, Danny J. White was driving to work and glanced > toward the familiar hill and the concealed cemetery. He was startled to see it > surrounded by yellow trucks, graders, backhoes and dirt scrapers. > > He raced immediately to the cemetery and felt his stomach heave. The > tombstones were gone. There were ugly gashes in the earth. The big yellow > machines had pulled the graves from the earth. > > "It was sickening," he recalled. He was furious. He made dozens of phone calls > and fired off angry letters to an assortment of government officials seeking > an explanation. > > He got one. > > It was all quite legal, according to state officials. Now go away and quit > bothering us, Danny J. White. > > He wondered how such an abomination could occur in conservative, family-values > Indiana where, he, like most Hoosiers, was raised to respect the dead and > revere their hallowed, final resting place. > > "How did this happen?" he asked. "You don't mess with graves." > > Well, here's what happened, Danny. They do mess with graves. > > James Rhoads, Thomas, Henry, Casey, Elmer and the other children and eight > adults who rested more than 150 years in the safety of the walnut grove became > the property of Duke Realty Investments Inc. > > Duke, which owns or manages 60 million square feet of real estate in eight > states, bought the 21.2 acres and the 360-square-foot cemetery in 1995. > > "We purchased the land for development purposes," explained Donna Coppinger, > the helpful vice president of marketing for Duke. "We couldn't develop a site > with a cemetery on it." > > Why? > > "It wasn't what we wanted to do," she said. > > Duke will soon level the hill and build a 458,000-square-foot bulk > distribution warehouse on the 21.2 acres, obliterating the one-tenth-acre > Rhoads Cemetery. > > It's legal > > Nearly two years ago, after they bought the land Duke hired an archaeology > company called NES Inc. in Blue Ash, Ohio, and together they filed the > necessary forms with the Indiana Department of Natural Resources Division of > Historic Preservation and Archaeology to dig up the Rhoads, Foltz, Shute and > Rude families. > > State laws, which are made by the 150 members of the Indiana General Assembly > with extensive guidance from corporate lobbyists, allow property owners to > demolish old cemeteries they find on their land. Throw away the tombstones, > plant corn or build a warehouse on the graves. It's legal. > > DNR's chief archaeologist Rick Jones is monitoring the Duke demolition. He > said his agency issues about 10 cemetery relocation permits a year. How many > cemeteries simply are destroyed, he doesn't know. "We have no way of knowing," > he said. > > But throwing away tombstones and paving over graves doesn't require a permit. > Just do it. It's legal. In fact, old tombstones often end up in flea markets. > > "Most people think cemeteries are forever," Jones explained slowly and > uncomfortably. This is not a topic most state officials enjoy discussing. "In > Indiana, cemeteries are not forever. If you own the property, you can bulldoze > them down. Basically, in Indiana, nothing is sacred." > > Digging into graves and moving them does require some paperwork, except for > farmers who are exempt from even that minor inconvenience. > > "Farmers can just throw away the tombstones and plow up the graves," said > Jones. "And they do. The Indiana Farm Bureau got the legislature to exempt > farmers." > > A couple years ago, DNR proposed a bill to offer some mild protection for old > pioneer cemeteries. Corporate lobbyists smothered the bill in committee, and > it never received even token consideration. > > The end of Rhoads > > Anyway, Duke's cemetery demolition project proceeded under DNR Digging Permit > 960062. > > NES Inc. archaeologist Jeannine Kreinbrink directed the removal of "remains," > once known in another life as James Rhoads, Elmer, Thomas, Casey and others. > > Kreinbrink, who now works for Natural and Ethical Environmental Solutions Inc. > of Liberty Township, Ohio, did not return phone calls. > > She did submit a preliminary report, as required, to the DNR's Rick Jones. > > It's a haunting document, complete with photographs of the "remains." In many > cases, much remains of the remains, like the perfectly preserved bones of > little children, their arms crossed, lying in tiny hexagonal coffins. Pieces > of shoes and clothing remain. > > The report also contains a diagram of each grave's location, the shape of the > coffin and what was in it. Each former person is identified by a letter and a > number. > > For example, C-2 was the "well-preserved remains of an adult. Sex unknown. > Head to west. Arms at side." > > B-10 contained the "well-preserved remains of an adult. Arms folded with hands > over waist." > > > Mr. D-1 was obviously a wheat farmer because he was buried with a wheat scythe > and a small plate. > > Infant D-6 was buried beneath 2.8 feet of dirt in a decorative metal coffin > called a sarcophagus with a glass viewing window. > > E-7 was an older adult male with a engraved tulip on his coffin and the words > "Rest In Peace." > > A-1 was the "poorly preserved remains of an infant, sex unknown. Few scattered > post cranial remains." > > B-1 was an "adult female 20-35 years. Well-preserved remains." > > And on it went in graphic detail. Most people were buried under only 2 feet of > dirt, symbolically facing the setting sun, the western horizon. > > "I feel a connection with these people," Rick Jones said quietly, flipping > through the depressing document. "You feel something looking into a child's > grave after 150 years. These are people that used to live, walk around and > breathe. We're literally looking into the past and I feel a profound sense of > respect." > > He paused, blinked a couple times. > > "This is a serious thing." > > Once Elmer and the others were dug up, labeled with numbers and letters, they > were shipped to anthropologist Stephen Nawrocki at the University of > Indianapolis on the Southside. > > He was hired by Duke under terms of digging permit 960062, which required an > "osteological" investigation by an anthropologist. That is a study of the > bones and "artifacts" for historical significance. > > "I haven't been cleared by Duke to discuss this with reporters. I'm just a > sub, sub contractor," said Nawrocki. Jeannine Kreinbrink called and told him > not to talk, he said. Her firm is paying his fees. > > When will your report be done, doctor? > > "I don't know." > > Once his report is complete, DNR will either order Duke to rebury the > "remains" somewhere else or they will "be kept in a lab for future study," > said Jones. > > Last December, Blair D. Carmosino, Development Services Director, Duke > Construction Inc., fired off a stern letter to DNR officials. > > "Duke's schedule for construction start-up in this project area is rapidly > approaching, so it is imperative that the (DNR) properly issue a clearance > letter for this project area." > > Part of the reason for delay was DNR's displeasure with Jeannine Kreinbrink's > preliminary report. Jon C. Smith, director of DNR's Division of Historic > Preservation and Archaeology, found about 40 points in her report he wanted > explained, corrected or expanded upon -- like what did Duke plan to do with > the "unwanted" headstones they dug up? > > On July 22, DNR issued a conditional permit to begin "ground disturbing > activities" but demanded an archaeologist be present in case additional "human > remains" are uncovered. > > "We'll probably start drainage work and soil things soon," said Donna > Coppinger, the Duke marketing person. "Site preparation before winter means if > we can get the site ready, we construct our industrial warehouse product this > winter. The building will be 1,032 feet long and 440 feet wide." > > This is good news? "It is good news. We're good corporate neighbors," she > said. > > Property of Duke > > The other day Danny J. White visited the old cemetery one last time before the > ancient walnuts and solitary oak are bulldozed, the hill flattened and the > "final" resting place for 35 kids and eight adults is erased from the face of > the earth. > > He hiked through the alfalfa field, brimming with buzzing bees, butterflies > and summer wildflowers and up the hill. He rummaged around through the dense > brush at the edge of the cemetery. Day lilies planted 150 years ago around the > graves still flourish. > > "Look what I found," he said suddenly, emerging from the brush with the broken > top half of a tombstone bearing the words "WIFE OF JAMES RHOADS. DIED." He > found it in a bulldozed pile of dirt between two old tires, beer cans and soda > pop bottles. > > What to do? Surely the DNR would want Mrs. Rhoads' broken tombstone. It > couldn't be left in the pile of tires and broken glass. Somebody might steal > it. It might be demolished in "site preparation." It could be lost forever, a > historic treasure, the last poignant symbol of a person's life, sacrificed on > the altar of economic development and corporate neighborliness. > > A quick phone call to DNR research archaeologist Amy L. Johnson provided the > answer. > > "Put it back," she said firmly. > > What? > > "Put it back," she said again. > > Why? > > "It belongs to Duke. It is their property." > > James Rhoads' wife's name was believed to be Hannah, and she died on July 24, > 1849, at age 85. Her husband, remember, was the first person buried in the > cemetery in August 1844. > > Her broken tombstone, which was carefully placed in the Hoosier soil during > solemn, no doubt tearful, ceremonies 149 long summers ago, was returned to the > pile of bulldozed dirt, tires, broken glass, beer and pop bottles. > > It belonged to Duke. > > It's the law. > > > --part0_911690878_boundary--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_911690878_boundary Content-ID: <0_911690878@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Do we live in this sick of a state? I am dumbfounded by what I've just read. Makes you realize that someday all of our, and probably our childrens, bodies and tombstones will be tossed to the landfills with no more respect than the beer bottles from last weekends party. Are all states like this? Kathy coordinator-Lake County Indiana --part0_911690878_boundary Content-ID: <0_911690878@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Rootsman57@aol.com Return-path: <Rootsman57@aol.com> To: AnoleLady@aol.com Subject: Indiana Cemetary Removal Laws Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:16:42 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I read this and I couldnt believe it. They definitly need to change some laws in that state. Jerry The Death of a Cemetery Wayne Township graveyard destroyed for warehouse shows final resting places aren't so final under state law. News Sports More Services By Bill Shaw Indianapolis Star/News INDIANAPOLIS (Aug. 22, 1998) -- Sometime in 1844, James Rhoads, a prominent Wayne Township farmer, died. He was 70. His family members and friends buried him in a grove of walnut trees on a hill overlooking a little creek. It was the first burial in what would become Rhoads Cemetery. During the next half-century, 43 members of the Rhoads, Foltz, Shute and Rude families would be sent to eternity in the walnut grove. The tiny cemetery was the scene of extraordinary grief over the years as members of the four families repeatedly journeyed in horse-drawn wagons across the sweeping fields and up the lonesome hill to bury their children. Staff photo / Kelly Wilkinson DISTURBED GROUND: Danny J. White found this grave marker while looking at the site of the old Rhoads Cemetery. The grave stone says "Wife of James Rhoads ...," being the grave stone for Hannah Rhoads. Duke Investments owns this property now, and White is upset at how the company has excavated this site. Thomas B. Rhoads was 7 months old in August 1849 when he died of an inflamed brain. Elmer Shute was 2 when he died of a bowel infection in August 1859. Hiram Foltz was an infant. George Foltz was 1. Lillian Rhoads was 2 and died of whooping cough on Aug. 13, 1878. Casey Rhoads died of an inflamed brain when he was 2. Emma Rude died at 18 months. On and on they died until there were 35 children buried in the peaceful cemetery on the hill. By the dawn of the 20th century, the burying ceased as the four families either died out or drifted away from southern Wayne Township. Nobody paid much attention to the old cemetery anymore. The cemetery and surrounding farmland changed owners several times. Each new owner farmed the fields and tended the old cemetery out of respect for earlier generations of Hoosier families. The farmers could have knocked down the trees, plowed under the tombstones, planted corn on the graves and made a few more dollars at harvest. But they didn't. The pace of change in Wayne Township picked up dramatically in 1931 when the Indianapolis airport opened on 900 acres, gobbling up farmland and triggering a development explosion in western Marion County. Still, the land around the old cemetery remained untouched, save for the annual spring plowing. The burying ground remained unmolested, decade after decade, hidden on the hill in a 60-foot-wide opening in the walnut grove Danny J. White grew up in the Lafayette Heights neighborhood, just south of the cemetery. In the 1970s, the field around the cemetery served as a dirt bike track for White and his teen-age buddies. He crossed it many times walking to Ben Davis High School. The old dead-end dirt road served as a teen- age lovers' lane. Neighborhood families held picnics beneath a massive, gnarled oak tree just east of the cemetery. White, 41, is a tool and die maker and an Indy Racing League mechanic. He helped fabricate the car Eddie Cheever drove to victory in the 1998 Indianapolis 500. Every day driving to work along I-465 near the airport, he'd glance to the east through the sprawl of hotels, office buildings, warehouses, parking lots, gas stations and fast food joints, and take comfort that the solitary hill and the dark grove of trees remained in this mass of concrete and asphalt. "Even when I was a kid the cemetery and the area surrounding it was breathtaking," he recalled. In the name of development By 1995, the fields that stretched to the horizon when James Rhoads was buried so long ago had shrunk to 21.2 acres. Now jet planes scream overhead, and the rumble of nearby I-70 and I-465 is constant. Cement trucks and construction equipment line the old lovers' lane, and new buildings seem to appear daily, landscaped with skinny stick trees, surrounded by acres of asphalt. One day about 18 months ago, Danny J. White was driving to work and glanced toward the familiar hill and the concealed cemetery. He was startled to see it surrounded by yellow trucks, graders, backhoes and dirt scrapers. He raced immediately to the cemetery and felt his stomach heave. The tombstones were gone. There were ugly gashes in the earth. The big yellow machines had pulled the graves from the earth. "It was sickening," he recalled. He was furious. He made dozens of phone calls and fired off angry letters to an assortment of government officials seeking an explanation. He got one. It was all quite legal, according to state officials. Now go away and quit bothering us, Danny J. White. He wondered how such an abomination could occur in conservative, family-values Indiana where, he, like most Hoosiers, was raised to respect the dead and revere their hallowed, final resting place. "How did this happen?" he asked. "You don't mess with graves." Well, here's what happened, Danny. They do mess with graves. James Rhoads, Thomas, Henry, Casey, Elmer and the other children and eight adults who rested more than 150 years in the safety of the walnut grove became the property of Duke Realty Investments Inc. Duke, which owns or manages 60 million square feet of real estate in eight states, bought the 21.2 acres and the 360-square-foot cemetery in 1995. "We purchased the land for development purposes," explained Donna Coppinger, the helpful vice president of marketing for Duke. "We couldn't develop a site with a cemetery on it." Why? "It wasn't what we wanted to do," she said. Duke will soon level the hill and build a 458,000-square-foot bulk distribution warehouse on the 21.2 acres, obliterating the one-tenth-acre Rhoads Cemetery. It's legal Nearly two years ago, after they bought the land Duke hired an archaeology company called NES Inc. in Blue Ash, Ohio, and together they filed the necessary forms with the Indiana Department of Natural Resources Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology to dig up the Rhoads, Foltz, Shute and Rude families. State laws, which are made by the 150 members of the Indiana General Assembly with extensive guidance from corporate lobbyists, allow property owners to demolish old cemeteries they find on their land. Throw away the tombstones, plant corn or build a warehouse on the graves. It's legal. DNR's chief archaeologist Rick Jones is monitoring the Duke demolition. He said his agency issues about 10 cemetery relocation permits a year. How many cemeteries simply are destroyed, he doesn't know. "We have no way of knowing," he said. But throwing away tombstones and paving over graves doesn't require a permit. Just do it. It's legal. In fact, old tombstones often end up in flea markets. "Most people think cemeteries are forever," Jones explained slowly and uncomfortably. This is not a topic most state officials enjoy discussing. "In Indiana, cemeteries are not forever. If you own the property, you can bulldoze them down. Basically, in Indiana, nothing is sacred." Digging into graves and moving them does require some paperwork, except for farmers who are exempt from even that minor inconvenience. "Farmers can just throw away the tombstones and plow up the graves," said Jones. "And they do. The Indiana Farm Bureau got the legislature to exempt farmers." A couple years ago, DNR proposed a bill to offer some mild protection for old pioneer cemeteries. Corporate lobbyists smothered the bill in committee, and it never received even token consideration. The end of Rhoads Anyway, Duke's cemetery demolition project proceeded under DNR Digging Permit 960062. NES Inc. archaeologist Jeannine Kreinbrink directed the removal of "remains," once known in another life as James Rhoads, Elmer, Thomas, Casey and others. Kreinbrink, who now works for Natural and Ethical Environmental Solutions Inc. of Liberty Township, Ohio, did not return phone calls. She did submit a preliminary report, as required, to the DNR's Rick Jones. It's a haunting document, complete with photographs of the "remains." In many cases, much remains of the remains, like the perfectly preserved bones of little children, their arms crossed, lying in tiny hexagonal coffins. Pieces of shoes and clothing remain. The report also contains a diagram of each grave's location, the shape of the coffin and what was in it. Each former person is identified by a letter and a number. For example, C-2 was the "well-preserved remains of an adult. Sex unknown. Head to west. Arms at side." B-10 contained the "well-preserved remains of an adult. Arms folded with hands over waist." Mr. D-1 was obviously a wheat farmer because he was buried with a wheat scythe and a small plate. Infant D-6 was buried beneath 2.8 feet of dirt in a decorative metal coffin called a sarcophagus with a glass viewing window. E-7 was an older adult male with a engraved tulip on his coffin and the words "Rest In Peace." A-1 was the "poorly preserved remains of an infant, sex unknown. Few scattered post cranial remains." B-1 was an "adult female 20-35 years. Well-preserved remains." And on it went in graphic detail. Most people were buried under only 2 feet of dirt, symbolically facing the setting sun, the western horizon. "I feel a connection with these people," Rick Jones said quietly, flipping through the depressing document. "You feel something looking into a child's grave after 150 years. These are people that used to live, walk around and breathe. We're literally looking into the past and I feel a profound sense of respect." He paused, blinked a couple times. "This is a serious thing." Once Elmer and the others were dug up, labeled with numbers and letters, they were shipped to anthropologist Stephen Nawrocki at the University of Indianapolis on the Southside. He was hired by Duke under terms of digging permit 960062, which required an "osteological" investigation by an anthropologist. That is a study of the bones and "artifacts" for historical significance. "I haven't been cleared by Duke to discuss this with reporters. I'm just a sub, sub contractor," said Nawrocki. Jeannine Kreinbrink called and told him not to talk, he said. Her firm is paying his fees. When will your report be done, doctor? "I don't know." Once his report is complete, DNR will either order Duke to rebury the "remains" somewhere else or they will "be kept in a lab for future study," said Jones. Last December, Blair D. Carmosino, Development Services Director, Duke Construction Inc., fired off a stern letter to DNR officials. "Duke's schedule for construction start-up in this project area is rapidly approaching, so it is imperative that the (DNR) properly issue a clearance letter for this project area." Part of the reason for delay was DNR's displeasure with Jeannine Kreinbrink's preliminary report. Jon C. Smith, director of DNR's Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology, found about 40 points in her report he wanted explained, corrected or expanded upon -- like what did Duke plan to do with the "unwanted" headstones they dug up? On July 22, DNR issued a conditional permit to begin "ground disturbing activities" but demanded an archaeologist be present in case additional "human remains" are uncovered. "We'll probably start drainage work and soil things soon," said Donna Coppinger, the Duke marketing person. "Site preparation before winter means if we can get the site ready, we construct our industrial warehouse product this winter. The building will be 1,032 feet long and 440 feet wide." This is good news? "It is good news. We're good corporate neighbors," she said. Property of Duke The other day Danny J. White visited the old cemetery one last time before the ancient walnuts and solitary oak are bulldozed, the hill flattened and the "final" resting place for 35 kids and eight adults is erased from the face of the earth. He hiked through the alfalfa field, brimming with buzzing bees, butterflies and summer wildflowers and up the hill. He rummaged around through the dense brush at the edge of the cemetery. Day lilies planted 150 years ago around the graves still flourish. "Look what I found," he said suddenly, emerging from the brush with the broken top half of a tombstone bearing the words "WIFE OF JAMES RHOADS. DIED." He found it in a bulldozed pile of dirt between two old tires, beer cans and soda pop bottles. What to do? Surely the DNR would want Mrs. Rhoads' broken tombstone. It couldn't be left in the pile of tires and broken glass. Somebody might steal it. It might be demolished in "site preparation." It could be lost forever, a historic treasure, the last poignant symbol of a person's life, sacrificed on the altar of economic development and corporate neighborliness. A quick phone call to DNR research archaeologist Amy L. Johnson provided the answer. "Put it back," she said firmly. What? "Put it back," she said again. Why? "It belongs to Duke. It is their property." James Rhoads' wife's name was believed to be Hannah, and she died on July 24, 1849, at age 85. Her husband, remember, was the first person buried in the cemetery in August 1844. Her broken tombstone, which was carefully placed in the Hoosier soil during solemn, no doubt tearful, ceremonies 149 long summers ago, was returned to the pile of bulldozed dirt, tires, broken glass, beer and pop bottles. It belonged to Duke. It's the law. --part0_911690878_boundary--

> > > Indiana Coordinator's have spoken and the votes are in. Thank you > everyone for you vote... If you had more than one county - I still > gave > you only one vote. Here is the tabulation: > > Option:1 ----- 4 votes > > Option 2 ------ 17 votes > > Option 3 - 6 votes.... > > Expressions made with the Option 2 - were that there be at least 3 to > prepare the simple guidelines and also recommendations be made on > Indytalk to whom they might be instead of appointed by me. > > There were many expressions that politics be left out of it.. > > Thank you Indiana - as usual I'm proud of all of you. > > All three options were good one's and I think we are on the right > track. > > If you have a recommendation or should I say nomination for this > committee please post it to Indytalk.... > I elect to stay none voting and allow the coordinator's to > function!... > > >> > >>Option#1 > >>InGenWeb will follow UsGenWeb bylaw's with no state guidelines. > >> > >>Option#2 > >>The State Coordinator and a selected county coordinator will present > > >>five or six simple guidelines and call for a vote. These will > pertain > > >>to elections, grievance inside the state, etc. - This is in full > >>accordance with the UsGenWeb bylaws. > >> > >>Option#3 > >>Call for a meeting - appoint a secretary/moderator - appoint a > committee > >>to write the guidelines - and present it for a vote... This also is > in > > >>full accordance with the UsGenWeb bylaws..

I'll be closing the voting this evening about 9:00 so please get your vote in on one of these options!.. > > >> >>I would like to have a vote on the following options and I'd like you to >>send your vote to me at: >> >>kyseeker@dynasty.net -- listing in the subject line MY VOTE >> >>Option#1 >>InGenWeb will follow UsGenWeb bylaw's with no state guidelines. >> >>Option#2 >>The State Coordinator and a selected county coordinator will present >>five or six simple guidelines and call for a vote. These will pertain >>to elections, grievance inside the state, etc. - This is in full >>accordance with the UsGenWeb bylaws. >> >>Option#3 >>Call for a meeting - appoint a secretary/moderator - appoint a committee >>to write the guidelines - and present it for a vote... This also is in >>full accordance with the UsGenWeb bylaws.. Betty

For those of you who may have links to the county biographies sites I have moved Jay and Floyd to temporary sites at: Jay http://members.tripod.com/~debmurray/indybios/jay.html Floyd http://members.tripod.com/~debmurray/indybios/floyd.html These sites have been given up for adoption by Christie.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9FEA8DF759B4122EE544F1E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------9FEA8DF759B4122EE544F1E3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com ([204.212.38.30]) by mx4.dynasty.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 202; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:08:35 -0600 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14411; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:01:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:01:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:05:15 -0500 (EST) From: merope <merope@access.digex.net> Old-To: USGENWEB-ALL <usgenweb-all-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.981113230235.244A-100000@access2.digex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] DBS---SPECIAL LATE BREAKING NEWS!! Resent-Message-ID: <"q_MEDD.A.3gD.6BQT2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/11539 X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Lookee what I found slipped under the door when I got home tonight... The chair has received only one nomination for Acting National Coordinator. Bob Bamford has agreed to serve if elected. There being no other nominations, the chair asks for all in favor of electing Bob Bamford Acting National Coordinator to say "aye." Results of vote: Kim - aye Holly - aye Bridgett - aye Pam - aye Yvonne - aye Debbie - aye Ginger - aye Jan - aye Kay - aye Trey - aye Terry - unavailable Bob - abstain Beth - aye Bob Bamford is elected Acting National Coordinator. Sir Chairman, you have the gavel. >From all of us here at the DBS central headquarters...congrats to Bob! -Teresa Lindquist merope@access.digex.net > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. --------------9FEA8DF759B4122EE544F1E3--

My name is Glenn Ray Eddleman. I just recently began coordinating the Madison Co. site. I currently live in Summitville which is in northern Madison Co. But I have spent most of my life in various parts of the county. I have also had family living in the county for nearly 75 years. I like to call Madison Co. my home. I look forward to expanding the information available about the county. Everyone is welcome to come over to Madison Co at www.rootsweb.com/~inmadiso and visit. Glenn Ray Eddleman INGenWeb Madison County Coordinator Home Page: www.netusa1.net/~eddleman Summitville Home Page: www.netusa1.net/~eddleman/summitvl.htm

Forwarding this to the above lists since they all are on rootsweb and many of their subscribers are using webtv -- if they stop getting their subscribed list items then they may want to contact their webtv rep and explain that you had requested this stuff, and it isn't spamming (just a suggestion). >Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:55:38 -0600 >From: Sandi Gorin <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> >Subject: WEBTV > >I just received notice that the ISP webtv has hired some professionals to >help them eliminate spam. Well, since rootsweb is high volume - rootsweb is >now considered spam. Below is a list of subbers to this list who are with >webtv. If you are still getting msgs and are on webtv, write me so I can >hold on to your name. If you aren't but have a friend below who is, would >you drop them a line to let them know what's happening. > >Webtv is not returning calls at the present time. Let me assure you that >rootsweb does NOT spam - they have a very sophistical anti-spam program and >anything that sneaks through is sent to me because I have closed the lists >- I get the spam but you don't. > >Thanks and I'm sorry - complain to them if you are a subber! Sandi > (email names removed before forwarding/jm) > >Sandi Gorin - A Kentucky Colonel >205 Clements Ave., Glasgow, KY 42141 (502) 651-9114 >PUBLISHING: http://www.members.tripod.com/~GorinS/index.html >BARREN CO OBITS, WILLS, DEEDS & BIBLE RECORDS: >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ky/BarrenObits >KYRESEARCHING TIPS: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ky/Tips >KYBIOGRAPHIES: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ky/Bios >