The editing of the Guidelines and Procedures for InGen-l has been completed... You may review the completed Guidelines and Procedures at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8066/inrules.htm Please print these out for ease of reading and keeping up with any discussions. I and the Guidelines Committee are pleased at the interest and excellent discussion on the Guidelines and Procedures. Most of the suggestions have been incorporated into the revised set. The committee appreciates these positive suggestions and with everyone's input, these should be a reasonable and fair set of guidelines and procedures for our state to adopt. Betty

Hello Everyone - The Master Index of the Counties, Queries, Obituaries, Genealogies and Bible Records has been moved to the main page of the InGenWeb...thank you Jerry for all of your work!. There are not correct as yet -- I'd like for each County Coordinator to check your url's... and send me their corrections.. I have not updated anything. I do have one problem - the table is too large... I only know one way to fix it - and that is 93x5 entries of a font change... any suggestions? Please take time to review this fine work that Jerry has done for almost three years for this site... Thanx.. Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana

Debbie - thanks for clarifying. I even learned to my surprise that Diana Flynn was maintaining the biographies for Monroe. I missed that somehow - thanks Diana. It's up and running, so Monroe now has two biography resources available, fortunately quite different in nature. I have zero problem maintaining links, but I do resist when I have gone down a path quite a way only to learn that someone has decided it is all going to be another way. I say "resist," not build a stone wall. <grin> -- Julian Livingston - Monroe & Owen Co.s INDIANA Coord. for INGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmonroe/monroegw.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~inowen/owenindx.html Monroe Co. Hist. Society- http://www.bluemarble.net/~julian/monroe.html Monroe Co. Hist. Museum- http://www.kiva.net/~mchm/museum.htm Owen Co. Hist. Society- http://www.owen.in.us/owenhist/owen.htm MicroHistory Investigations- http://www.bluemarble.net/~julian

>John, > >> There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about Jerry Mount's ICSQOB >> Online site and that the proposed "Guidelines and Procedures" require a > >Maybe it is just the way it was worded, and all of us CCs are thinking >it is being touted as a *requirement* on these proposed guidelines :) > JGW The proposed guidelines and procedures were stating that a *single link* to Jerry Mounts site would be a *requirement* for each county, but the committee is reconsidering this since there is a link to Jerry's site on the state page. We prefer to have as few requirements as possible and this would be a good opportunity to eliminate this one before it becomes required. JGW >> >> *link* to the *single* site. Since this is on the state site, it may be >> best not to require it, anyway. The state page could suggest it as a >> desirable link for counties to use if they choose. As a member of the > >And I think having this link on the State page is the most logical >place. After all, the State has all 92 counties linked, so why not have >this URL there also. Good idea John! :) > >Lori >Ripley CC > John G. West, Vanderburgh CC INGenWeb

I was the one who originally posted the question about e-mail links. I should have clarified my statement: Each individual COUNTY's main page should provide a link to the Coordinator's e-mail. I agree that the county list on the INGenWeb site probably should not have all of our e-mail addresses on it.... Tracey Morris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Tracey & Scott Morris -- Kokomo IN -- morris@netusa1.net Rootsweb Sponsor -- http://www.rootsweb.com USGenWeb Project Member -- http://www.usgenweb.org -----Original Message----- From: Betty Sellers <kyseeker@dynasty.net> To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 11:39 PM Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} Re: PRESENTATION OF GUIDELINES AND PROCEDURES >I agree with Lori - When the first pages of the States were up it was easy >to go to the state pages and grave all the email address's of the >coordinator's from the state page. At that time we were having researchers >that didn't go to the county page's they were just emailing the county >coordinator's as asking their queries and seeking information - plus we were >having spams. > >We've always asked that each coordinator post them email address on their >page predominately so a researcher may contact them or they can be >reached... But on the state page it's too easy for all of you to get spammed >big time.. > Betty >a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lori <lori@myself.com> >To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:05 PM >Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: PRESENTATION OF GUIDELINES AND PROCEDURES > > >>> <<How about providing a link on the main page to the CC's e-mail? I >>> have had >>> problems locating the CC's address on other USGenWeb pages - should this >>> be a >>> requirement?>> >> >>I disagree with Phyllis, because having the list of emails on the page >>will make it far too easy for a SPAMBOT to grab them and then spam the >>h__l out of each of us. >> >>I deal with spam bots stealing email addresses constantly from my >>Genealogy CD List pages....aggravating things, these bots. >> >>If anything, make it a requirement that each County place a prominant >>email link to the CC. >> >>Lori >>IN ASC >> > > >

I agree with Lori - When the first pages of the States were up it was easy to go to the state pages and grave all the email address's of the coordinator's from the state page. At that time we were having researchers that didn't go to the county page's they were just emailing the county coordinator's as asking their queries and seeking information - plus we were having spams. We've always asked that each coordinator post them email address on their page predominately so a researcher may contact them or they can be reached... But on the state page it's too easy for all of you to get spammed big time.. Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana -----Original Message----- From: Lori <lori@myself.com> To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:05 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: PRESENTATION OF GUIDELINES AND PROCEDURES >> <<How about providing a link on the main page to the CC's e-mail? I >> have had >> problems locating the CC's address on other USGenWeb pages - should this >> be a >> requirement?>> > >I disagree with Phyllis, because having the list of emails on the page >will make it far too easy for a SPAMBOT to grab them and then spam the >h__l out of each of us. > >I deal with spam bots stealing email addresses constantly from my >Genealogy CD List pages....aggravating things, these bots. > >If anything, make it a requirement that each County place a prominant >email link to the CC. > >Lori >IN ASC >

Question - Would we want this 'on' the main page of Indiana or as a link as it is now? As a link it is handled by Jerry - on the main page it would need to be handled by the SC... Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana -----Original Message----- From: Lori <lori@myself.com> To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:02 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: PRESENTATION OF GUIDELINES AND PROCEDURES >John, > >> There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about Jerry Mount's ICSQOB >> Online site and that the proposed "Guidelines and Procedures" require a > >Maybe it is just the way it was worded, and all of us CCs are thinking >it is being touted as a *requirement* on these proposed guidelines :) > >> *link* to the *single* site. Since this is on the state site, it may be >> best not to require it, anyway. The state page could suggest it as a >> desirable link for counties to use if they choose. As a member of the > >And I think having this link on the State page is the most logical >place. After all, the State has all 92 counties linked, so why not have >this URL there also. Good idea John! :) > >Lori >Ripley CC >

Delores' mail is bouncing from AOL... at: Dlombard@aol.com Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana

I have set here and read all the remarks about the sqob page and I remember when Betty asked me to set up this link about two and a half years ago. No one wanted to do it, some thought it a good idea and some were against it. To be quite honest all of you, it is a job to maintain, at the beginning it was great, if the cc's had a change to be made they would send it to me and it would get updated. As of late I am lucky if I get a 5% input on these links from the cc's and sometimes get YELLED at if a link is not correct. I thing it would be better served to have this page on the state page. It could be transparent, and a link could be put up on the state page at the Indiana County Index to it. This would solve the problem of the individual links required on each page. While we are at it the following stipulation should be made that the individual cc's should provide to the state accurate information about their counties for this link to work, We all know that Lori has enough work to do without this added burden, believe me I know what it takes to make this link work. Another reason for having this link on the state page is it does generate a lot of traffic [hits], which would be better credited to the state page than my site. just my thoughts......jerry > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:28:55 -0500 > From: "John G. West" <mylines@evansville.net> > Subject: Re: PRESENTATION OF GUIDELINES AND PROCEDURES > To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com > There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about Jerry Mount's ICSQOB > Online site and that the proposed "Guidelines and Procedures" require a > *link* to the *single* site. Since this is on the state site, it may be > best not to require it, anyway. The state page could suggest it as a > desirable link for counties to use if they choose. As a member of the > committee that worked on these proposals, I am excited about the interest > and excellent questions being asked. Debby, Eric and I are considering the > suggestions that have been made for some revisions. Thanks for your > comments and support of INGenWeb. John G. West Regards, Jerry Morris Mounts 8310 S US Highway 41 Apt H Terre Haute, In 47802-5173 812-299-9816 jmounts@indy.net

Am I missing the boat somewhere here? When I took over the Putnam Co. page I simply made the design my own and left the links as they were. I've got the appropriate logos, appropriate links (I hope), etc. I use the GenConnect Boards because I don't have time to enter each query in by hand. I was told there were requirements for this page and I honored those. Where is the problem? Is there anything being recommended as guidelines which people are not already doing? My page is not perfect and I don't claim it to be. But we've had close to 3000 hits since the end of October when I put the counter on the page. Just looking for a better understanding of the issues that are clogging up my in-box.

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about Jerry Mount's ICSQOB Online site and that the proposed "Guidelines and Procedures" require a *link* to the *single* site. Since this is on the state site, it may be best not to require it, anyway. The state page could suggest it as a desirable link for counties to use if they choose. As a member of the committee that worked on these proposals, I am excited about the interest and excellent questions being asked. Debby, Eric and I are considering the suggestions that have been made for some revisions. Thanks for your comments and support of INGenWeb. John G. West At 04:43 PM 4/29/99 -0500, Linda Aker wrote: > > >> 2. Maintain links to INGeNWeb, USGenWeb pages, and Indiana Counties, >>Surnames, >> Queries, Obituaries, and Biographies Online. > >> 4. Maintain Query pages for your county. > >Hi all! > >Like everybody else, it seems, I am confused also about these two. > >I have the INGenWeb logo and the USGenWeb logo at the top of my main page >for Henry Co. Each logo is linked to it's respective page. >So am I understanding that I also have to have a separate link besides these >to each of the following: >Obits >Bios >Surnames >Queries >???? >If so...why? > >#4..Maintain Query pages for your county? >I use the GenConnect automatic board for queries on the Henry Co. page. >Is there something else I need as far as queries? > >Thanks for helping me out! > >Linda lmaker@netdirect.net >Confused in Henry Co. Indiana >> > > >

I think Kathy meant this for InGenWeb Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana -----Original Message----- From: AnoleLady@aol.com <AnoleLady@aol.com> To: INDIANA-L@rootsweb.com <INDIANA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 4:32 PM Subject: [INDIANA-L] Rootsweb Day 2 >While you all argue over adding a link to your page...I am in day 2 of not >even being able to SEE my county page! If I hadnt been surfing the web all >last night and half the day today (getting more links for Firstmom's) I could >blame it on AOL...but I can even get into other people Rootsweb pages as well >as every other site on the Web. >If no one could get to my Co. page...I could blame it on my index.htm >file..but other people can get to it. If no one could get to any Rootsweb >pages I could think they were upgrading something...but theyre not. >ANYONE?? >Oh by the way...to whoever didnt want to be bothered with adding obits and >bios to their county page...I hope my visitors appreciate the hard work I do. >I volunteered for the page to give people with roots in this county as much >information as I possibly could...and I feel proud when I get the emails >telling me that they love all the information on the page, that theyve made >connections because of the page etc. >And I dont use the automatic boards. When someone submits an obit or bio >through email...I copy it, paste it in Notepad, spend 3-10 minutes formatting >it so that people dont have to scroll sideways to read, add it to the >obit/bio page, upload both, send it to Fred (by the way..give that mane a >HUGE round of applause...I have been swamping him while his computer was down >and he's managing to keep up) for the archives, then sometimes send updates >to my Co email list. >I even set up a search engine for the site...it searches through all the >pages (just on the Lake Co site) so that the visitors can find their surname >faster/easier. >And I'm not even one of the hardest working people in the Indiana section of >GenWeb...I just felt duty-bound when I agreed to adopt the page. >Kathy > >Lake Co. IN GenWeb >http://users.rootsweb.com/~inlake >

I neglected to mention, in my comments on the guidelines, that my rapid survey of all IN sites turned up a couple of common minor errors: Cemeteries appear on several sites as "cemetaries" Several sites have links to a "Southeastern Indiana" site that no longer exists. I used the helpful Mounts SQOB page to reach county GenWeb home pages and found that six of his links were outdated. It would no doubt help if someone -- retiring or new CC? SC? -- were to inform Jerry each time a CC's URL changes. John Ballard, Decatur Co IN genweb co-ordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~indecatu/indecatu.html

>> Now the discussion as gone from a link on the county page to the SQOB as to >> why there is a SQOB state index to start with... > >No, it hasn't. :) > >Actually, this link on the state page is really a good idea. What isn't >a good idea is for the county then to have it also, since the user can >get to the counties from one page (IN state page), back and forth, and >not get too lost. > >Lori Then if it hasn't why was it asked as listed below -- why was it on the State Page? Each of you are proud of your county page and what you have upon that page. Myself and also Fred , when he was coordinator, have linked to this list maintained by Jerry as we felt it was an enhancement for the researcher of Indiana. I feel I should be proud also of what is on the State page. ============================================================ = >> >> 2. Maintain links to INGeNWeb, USGenWeb pages, and Indiana Counties, >> >>Surnames, Queries, Obituaries, and Biographies Online. > >> Holly has brought up a good point here - If a link the the InGenWeb and >> UsGenWeb is listed as requirements and the SQOB link is on the State page - >> then possibly we are over requiring to have it on the county pages.. > >Why is this on the state page anyway? ============================================================ >

No Linda - they are proposing "one" link to the SQOB site at: http://vax1.vigo.lib.in.us/~jmounts/sqob.htm from each county site. It was asked for "one' link from your page to the >Linda, > > >> So am I understanding that I also have to have a separate link besides these >> to each of the following: >> Obits >> Bios >> Surnames >> Queries >> ???? >> If so...why? > >This is my understanding of the proposed guidelines/procedures, and I >don't think it should be in these. These things are additional pages >that *could* be indluded, but shouldn't be *required* and therefore >shouldn't be included, as written, in these guidelines. > >> >> #4..Maintain Query pages for your county? >> I use the GenConnect automatic board for queries on the Henry Co. page. >> Is there something else I need as far as queries? > >No, I think this is just a reminder that queries are a *must have* on >the page, either the manually added, or the automated. > >I think the committee is trying to accomplish a two-fold operation here. >To re-iterate what the USGenWeb guidelines state for the counties, and >to aid the CCs by having our (Indiana) guidelines as well. > >Lori >

>> >> 2. Maintain links to INGeNWeb, USGenWeb pages, and Indiana Counties, >> >>Surnames, Queries, Obituaries, and Biographies Online. > >> Holly has brought up a good point here - If a link the the InGenWeb and >> UsGenWeb is listed as requirements and the SQOB link is on the State page - >> then possibly we are over requiring to have it on the county pages.. > >Why is this on the state page anyway? Because I put it there! Other state pages have this useful link and I thought it would be of help to the researchers to be able to go to the county of 'their choice'... Have you went to it and looked at it lately? I thought the InGenWeb coordinator's would be proud to have their combined efforts showed on an Indiana link... This is no way keeps the researcher from going to the county page as that link is also there.. Now the discussion as gone from a link on the county page to the SQOB as to why there is a SQOB state index to start with... I remember when it was started and how each time a county was put up this index was updated and the county coordiantor gave the link to their pages ... It was a lot of work but Jerry done it... If the county coordinator's think that we don't need it any more than now would be the time to do it ... > >I have been wondering why the state page has so much linked, that then >are found on the county pages. Users should go to the county they are >wanting info from and find the links to these things. By having links >like these on the state page, users then aren't going to see what they >are missing by not going to the county page. > >Lori >Ripley CC >

Ok...whenever the top dogs figure out what they want us to have, and when they go to review the sites to make sure we have them...just let me know if I need to change anything cus at this point I'm lost. I Finally got into my page just now!! Woo Hoo! Kathy Lake County Indiana GenWeb http://users.rootsweb.com/~inlake

> >> 2. Maintain links to INGeNWeb, USGenWeb pages, and Indiana Counties, >>Surnames, Queries, Obituaries, and Biographies Online. > >This seems to be the point that has attracted the most comment.. The first >two links are no problem, it is the latter link(s) that is a bit ambiguous. >I gather this is intended to refer to: > http://vax1.vigo.lib.in.us/~jmounts/sqob.htm >but could be interpreted to mean state level pages for these subjects or >other possible sources (for example, Dubois has boards for Bios and Obits >as well as Queries. I would support a strong recommendation that this link >be included but rather think it is over-requiring with the link to the main >state pages being required. Holly has brought up a good point here - If a link the the InGenWeb and UsGenWeb is listed as requirements and the SQOB link is on the State page - then possibly we are over requiring to have it on the county pages.. Comment?

My 2 cents worth. First, why should there be all of these pages with the same info? Census, obits, bios and etc. should be on the County Page only. A lot of people have enough trouble looking up info on the web as it is. I think this adds to the mess. If a CC has more than one county and can not keep up with it, then give up some of them. If they can not keep up with one, then give it up also. I know this is a volunteer deal. And you need not work on it 24 hours a day. However you asked for the county, so keep up with it. As for the Logo's, I have them on my County page. This was part of the deal when I took over a county. I think all Indiana CC's should think about this project a little more. We need the rules, so everyone is in the same book and on the same page. Also with everything on one page, you know who has to answer for it. With info spred all over, who knows? And that is my opinion. -- Mike Pierce, Pike County, In. Webmaster http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpike/Pikegen.htm

Kathy, In a perfect world everything would be there right at your fingertips instead of scattered to the winds. Since the various sources are in various locations usually, the "Indiana Counties, Surnames, Queries, Obituaries, and Biographies Online" now at: <http://vax1.vigo.lib.in.us/~jmounts/sqob.htm> helps to pull everything together. Debby At 01:59 PM 4/29/1999 EDT, you wrote: >Well personally, I dont understand why these are seperate from the county. I >had already had about 15 biographies on my County site before taking on the >Lake Co Bio "Project". If someone else had adopted it there would be Bios for >this county spread between various website such as Jasper county. The CC has >a lot of bios, and now someone else adopted the bio project for that county >so it's like theyre split up in different places. I also adopted the Newton >co bio project. The newton county page doesnt have any bios, obits, or >surnames so I didnt foresee the bio project being adopted. >Why are we putting things in 50 different locations?? Same goes for the >census project etc. I realize that some CC's dont really want to have to do >much, some dont have the time between IRL and CC'ing a few different >counties. But I think it will confuse visitors more if, for one county, they >need to look at the county page PLUS the census, cemetery, biography and >other various projects. And if they are on two different pages (example: I >have the census's for Lake Co on the Lake co page where it belongs, then if >the census project also has them on that page) arent we taking up more server >space that Rootsweb cant afford already? >Been confused about this since all these smaller projects started showing >up...finally I had to ask. >Kathy > > >