Cathy, > Let me point out that not all Indiana CCs subscribe to INDYTALK. I, for > one, do not, and there are probably many others. So it cannot be assumed > that all CCs were made aware of the Indiana Bios Project at the time of its > inception. It was sent to INGEN-L first, then to Indytalk way later.. > When I unsubscribed from INDYTALK, it was because it was supposed to be the > place for "chit-chat" and I just couldn't handle that many more messages in > my already massive inbox. Is that still INDYTALK's purpose or has it changed? It's still idle chatter, and idle discussion. The SC sends anything important on to INGEN-L since all the CCs are "required" to be on this list. Lori INGenWeb ASC

Betty, > I'm hoping this meets with approval!. > > for 30 days giving sufficient time for a grievance to be filed. At the end > of 30 days - this county will be put up for adoption. > ============================================================ I think you might add a few more words < or the CC to re-establish control of said county > to wit: > for 30 days giving sufficient time for a grievance to be filed, or the CC to > re-establish control of said county. At the end of the 30 days - the county will be > put up for adoption. Don't you think this sounds more like an effort is made to factor in problems a CC might be undergoing at the time of the default? Lori

In a message dated 99-05-03 23:30:37 EDT, mylines@evansville.net writes: << are there others who READ this differently than it was intended? >> Looks fine by me :) Kathy -Lake co

Thanks, John, That was very well stated. Debby At 12:20 PM 5/3/1999 -0500, John G. West wrote: >I wasn't done when my message just went out - hit a wrong combo of keys <!>. > >"requires posting" means that when you get information (that is suitable >for your county either gathered by you or sent to you by an interested >contributor) you need to "post" or "upload" by an ftp type program (or have >someone else "post" this beneficial information to your website or to >another page and link to it from your website. > >Lori, this is a very simple statement stating that this is a website of a >genealogical nature that concerns this one particular county. I do not >think it has some sinister or demanding nature to it as you seem to read >into it. Any word in this entire document can be twisted by anyone. >Please take the sentence in its entirety. JGW > > >

Hi Everyone, Clark Co,IN County Coordinator live and well! Thank God! lonnie > -----Original Message----- > From: INGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:INGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 8:20 AM > To: INGEN-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: INGEN-D Digest V99 #62 > > >

Cathy and all. >Let me point out that not all Indiana CCs subscribe to INDYTALK. I, for >one, do not, and there are probably many others. So it cannot be assumed >that all CCs were made aware of the Indiana Bios Project at the time of its >inception. You're right here....not all were made aware through Indytalk because some were not subscribed. Since INGEN-L didn't archive back when I was SC for the Bios (I believe we may have still been on dsenter back in July/August 1997), I will not attempt to state for sure that I sent through both lists (although I do recall.....), but I know I sent through numerous other lists....many people were made aware of the project. >I remember the day I discovered it linked from the main state page and was >quite surprised that the county I host for INGenWeb was already taken. >When it went up for adoption recently, I decided to link to it rather than >adopt the county Bios project. >I have since started a GenConnect Bios board for my county because I >believe that system, with its worldwide index, is more widely known and >accessible. Someone mentioned that its main shortcoming is that after a >while, the list of postings disappears and many people don't seem to know >how to search it. The way I get around this is by making a link from the >county site to each new bio that is posted. So far, it works because there >aren't that many bios. :) If it works for you great! :-) >I don't think Darilee was saying that the Bios project should not exist at >all; I believe she was mainly upset that the link had been provided on the >SQOB page as if it were a link from her site. Didn't she say she may have >linked to it herself, had she known about it? Ok...I may see a glimmer of a point here....but, I don't think anyone would mistake one for the other considering the logos posted, the Coordinators names at the top of the pages, etc....I still don't see the point in getting *This* upset. >The problem is lack of communication. Sometimes I think important >discussions take place on INDYTALK that do not come across on INGEN-L. >When I unsubscribed from INDYTALK, it was because it was supposed to be the >place for "chit-chat" and I just couldn't handle that many more messages in >my already massive inbox. Is that still INDYTALK's purpose or has it changed? When I started the Indiana Biographies project I didn't have time, nor would I have had the desire, to try to find everyone from every county in Indiana who *may* be interested in coordinating a Co., or linking to one. I did post to numerous lists, including ROOTS-L, Indytalk, Kentuckiana-L, and I'm sure the information went through the Kentucky lists, to name only the few I'm sure of. Many people were made aware of the Biography project, and those who were not on any lists, only needed to go to INGenWeb Main page to see the link and banner (banner since has been replaced by a link). I just don't feel that all of this is worth complaining about. Atleast not to the point of giving up a county. If there is a complaint about a link, simply e-mail the person who posted it and politely ask for a revision. You'll catch more bees with honey! ;-) Dee

Let me point out that not all Indiana CCs subscribe to INDYTALK. I, for one, do not, and there are probably many others. So it cannot be assumed that all CCs were made aware of the Indiana Bios Project at the time of its inception. I remember the day I discovered it linked from the main state page and was quite surprised that the county I host for INGenWeb was already taken. When it went up for adoption recently, I decided to link to it rather than adopt the county Bios project. I have since started a GenConnect Bios board for my county because I believe that system, with its worldwide index, is more widely known and accessible. Someone mentioned that its main shortcoming is that after a while, the list of postings disappears and many people don't seem to know how to search it. The way I get around this is by making a link from the county site to each new bio that is posted. So far, it works because there aren't that many bios. :) I don't think Darilee was saying that the Bios project should not exist at all; I believe she was mainly upset that the link had been provided on the SQOB page as if it were a link from her site. Didn't she say she may have linked to it herself, had she known about it? The problem is lack of communication. Sometimes I think important discussions take place on INDYTALK that do not come across on INGEN-L. When I unsubscribed from INDYTALK, it was because it was supposed to be the place for "chit-chat" and I just couldn't handle that many more messages in my already massive inbox. Is that still INDYTALK's purpose or has it changed? Sincerely, Cathy Burnsed Wells CC >>>From: Dee <dee1234@aye.net> >>>To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 12:16 PM >>>Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: >>>http://members.tripod.com/~suzysprague/CarrollCo/indexbios.html >>> >>> >>>>Whoa!! >>>> >>>>Wait a minute.... >>>> >>>>We can't stop anyone else from creating *whatever* project they want to >>>>start. We do not own the internet, and we can't take away others rights >>to >>>>websites simply because we don't like what they're doing. (If we could I >>>>could think of many I would like to remove, and none have anything to do >>>>with genealogy) We also cannot stop anyone from creating a link to our >>>>site, this would >>>>be similar to banning the Telephone books. >>>> >>>>I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and think about what they're >>>>saying. Darilee, are you asking the US Biographies project to close up >>>>shop? If so, what about all the biographies they have spent long hours >>>>posting? Do you feel they should just give up everything they have been >>>>working on all this time and hand it over to another project? If so, >turn >>>>the tables...what if they asked us to close it up? Also, what about the >>>>many USGenWeb volunteers >>>>who do not want to post biographies, or simply don't have time? >>>> >>>>I would think most CC's would be appreciative of this. One more resource >>>>for all of the genealogists on-line....isn't that why we're here? To >help >>>>them...not take things away! >>>> >>>> >>>>I started the Indiana Biographies Project. I sent numerous messages >>>through >>>>Indytalk asking for volunteers. I received responses from many of the >>>>INGenWeb volunteers, and the first 15 or so volunteers started right >away. >>>>Jerry Mounts was our first volunteer to go on-line with his pages. In >the >>>>week or so that I was corresponding with INGenWeb through Indytalk about >>>the >>>>bios project, I received not a single complaint about the project. >>>> >>>>For everyones information, I have copied and pasted a message from Deb >>>>Murray (hope you don't mind Deb)that came through Indytalk. >>>>(notice the date) This would have been a more appropriate time to voice >>>>concerns, or offer to adopt your county, or simply e-mail the current >>>>coordinator and discuss sharing information, etc. >>>> >>>>----------------------snip--------------------------------- >>>>Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:00:40 -0500 >>>>From: Deb Murray <debmurray@worldnet.att.net> >>>>To: INDYTALK-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Message-ID: <36242FF8.D42@worldnet.att.net>Subject: Let's Talk >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>> >>>>Betty, >>>>I'm going to take your invite to do something I've been meaning to do >>>>for awhile. I have been adding obituaries, poems and some cemetary >>>>listings to Fulton, Lagrange and Pulaski Counties. I've also been >>>>working on the Indiana Biographies project. It's been a long time since >>>>I sent you all a list of the counties with biographies online and the >>>>list is growing. We have well over 4,000 biographies online (Suzy >>>>Sprague, my asst coordinator gets to keep the count). I have tried to >>>>put together a crude list of all the counties, the url for them (if we >>>>have one) and the name of the county coordinator. Some of these names >>>>should look real familiar to this list! The ones that say TEMP after >>>>them have online bios but no one to give them a permanent home and yes, >>>>the ones with nothing after them are still orphans with no biographies >>>>online - submissions are welcome. I hope you'll all link the site on >>>>your county pages, I encourage the Bio coordinators to link to yourpages. >>>>Please forgive the list, it's late and I've been at a 3 hour 4-H meeting >>>>on rule changes so I'm not totally functional! Good night everyone! %~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~%*%~-~% Cathy (GARDENOUR) Burnsed ~ ~ ~ Librarian ~ ~ ~ cburnsed@geocities.com Personal Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.afn.org/~afn30091/index.html Wells County INGenWeb Project ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~inwells/ USGenWeb Archives, FL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/fl/flfiles.htm

I wasn't done when my message just went out - hit a wrong combo of keys <!>. "requires posting" means that when you get information (that is suitable for your county either gathered by you or sent to you by an interested contributor) you need to "post" or "upload" by an ftp type program (or have someone else "post" this beneficial information to your website or to another page and link to it from your website. Lori, this is a very simple statement stating that this is a website of a genealogical nature that concerns this one particular county. I do not think it has some sinister or demanding nature to it as you seem to read into it. Any word in this entire document can be twisted by anyone. Please take the sentence in its entirety. JGW

After much thought this morning I have contacted the Guidelines and Procedures committee asking that a clause be added to the procedures.... I'm hoping this meets with approval!. ============================================================ A county removed by a county coordinator who leaves his/her county because of an in-state disagreement shall be placed with a temporary coordinator for 30 days giving sufficient time for a grievance to be filed. At the end of 30 days - this county will be put up for adoption. ============================================================ Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana

At 09:23 AM 5/3/99 -0500, Lori wrote: >Betty, > >> I am preparing to send out the ballots for the Guidelines and Procedure, as >> amended by the CCs on the InGen-L, for the InGenWeb Project. > >I am still concerned with the wording on number 1. > >I have sent 2 posts about this ann haven't seen them come through. >I would hate to have to keep voting on these because of the inference to >*required beneficial information* on the pages. I think we CCs care >enough to keep adding data without being forced to so so. > >Lori >Ripley CC and InGenWeb ASC > > Lori, you keep reading into this statement things that it does not say. 1. "Maintaining an INGenWeb County web site requires posting information that is beneficial to genealogical researchers concerning the county." It simply means that the type of information that should be posted on INGenWeb pages should be helpful to *Genelogical* researchers - not information for Sports fans, Geologists, Bankers, how to repair automobiles, etc. It also states that the information concerns that county in Indiana and not information about New York City, Hardin Co., KY, or Japan. And it is suggested that this information ought to be of benefit (helpful) to the genealogist. "requires posting"

Dave Distler has contacted me this morning and feels it necessary to give up his counties immediately. Dave has been a wonderful coordinator and has been a joy to work with... Dave feels his Ohio Valley Families is taking up too much of his time and he feels like the counties need more attention than he can give right now. If you are interested in "one" of these counties please let me know. We can all spread our selve's too thin and let's try to spread these counties out amongst us or find a fresh volunteer!... Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana

In a message dated 99-05-03 14:35:47 EDT, cburnsed@geocities.com writes: << Let me point out that not all Indiana CCs subscribe to INDYTALK. I, for one, do not, and there are probably many others. So it cannot be assumed that all CCs were made aware of the Indiana Bios Project at the time of its inception. >> It also came across the Indiana-L, and I think INGEN (that one I'm not sure about). I dont subscribe to indytalk either. Kathy CC for Lake Co. IN -home of the worst courthouse in the Nation! (sorry, just got home and still peeved over records that should be there but arent)

Rush Co is here... Sue Otte

Betty, > I am preparing to send out the ballots for the Guidelines and Procedure, as > amended by the CCs on the InGen-L, for the InGenWeb Project. I am still concerned with the wording on number 1. I have sent 2 posts about this ann haven't seen them come through. I would hate to have to keep voting on these because of the inference to *required beneficial information* on the pages. I think we CCs care enough to keep adding data without being forced to so so. Lori Ripley CC and InGenWeb ASC

I am preparing to send out the ballots for the Guidelines and Procedure, as amended by the CCs on the InGen-L, for the InGenWeb Project. The proposed Guidelines and Procedures may be viewed at: Ballotts should be returned by May 14th.... http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8066/inrules.htm Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana

Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana -----Original Message----- From: Dee <dee1234@aye.net> To: Betty Sellers <kyseeker@dynasty.net> Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 8:23 PM Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} Re: http://members.tripod.com/~suzysprague/CarrollCo/indexbios.html >Thanks Betty.....the e-mail would have been better if I could have gotten it >to go through the list! (I guess only the listowner got it) :-( > >Dee > >-----Original Message----- >From: Betty Sellers <kyseeker@dynasty.net> >To: Dee <dee1234@aye.net> >Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 3:59 PM >Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} Re: >http://members.tripod.com/~suzysprague/CarrollCo/indexbios.html > > >>Thank you Dee for your email and also thank you for finding the old email >>from Debbie!... >> >>I remember your work and the beautiful pages that went up and most of all I >>remember all the 'youthful' enthiasm and hard work... Congratulations on a >>project that is prospering and doing well. >> >> I'm happy the baby is coming along fine... but oh still so little! >> >> Betty >>a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dee <dee1234@aye.net> >>To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 12:16 PM >>Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: >>http://members.tripod.com/~suzysprague/CarrollCo/indexbios.html >> >> >>>Whoa!! >>> >>>Wait a minute.... >>> >>>We can't stop anyone else from creating *whatever* project they want to >>>start. We do not own the internet, and we can't take away others rights >to >>>websites simply because we don't like what they're doing. (If we could I >>>could think of many I would like to remove, and none have anything to do >>>with genealogy) We also cannot stop anyone from creating a link to our >>>site, this would >>>be similar to banning the Telephone books. >>> >>>I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and think about what they're >>>saying. Darilee, are you asking the US Biographies project to close up >>>shop? If so, what about all the biographies they have spent long hours >>>posting? Do you feel they should just give up everything they have been >>>working on all this time and hand it over to another project? If so, turn >>>the tables...what if they asked us to close it up? Also, what about the >>>many USGenWeb volunteers >>>who do not want to post biographies, or simply don't have time? >>> >>>I would think most CC's would be appreciative of this. One more resource >>>for all of the genealogists on-line....isn't that why we're here? To help >>>them...not take things away! >>> >>> >>>I started the Indiana Biographies Project. I sent numerous messages >>through >>>Indytalk asking for volunteers. I received responses from many of the >>>INGenWeb volunteers, and the first 15 or so volunteers started right away. >>>Jerry Mounts was our first volunteer to go on-line with his pages. In the >>>week or so that I was corresponding with INGenWeb through Indytalk about >>the >>>bios project, I received not a single complaint about the project. >>> >>>For everyones information, I have copied and pasted a message from Deb >>>Murray (hope you don't mind Deb)that came through Indytalk. >>>(notice the date) This would have been a more appropriate time to voice >>>concerns, or offer to adopt your county, or simply e-mail the current >>>coordinator and discuss sharing information, etc. >>> >>>----------------------snip--------------------------------- >>>Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:00:40 -0500 >>>From: Deb Murray <debmurray@worldnet.att.net> >>>To: INDYTALK-L@rootsweb.com >>>Message-ID: <36242FF8.D42@worldnet.att.net>Subject: Let's Talk >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> >>>Betty, >>>I'm going to take your invite to do something I've been meaning to do >>>for awhile. I have been adding obituaries, poems and some cemetary >>>listings to Fulton, Lagrange and Pulaski Counties. I've also been >>>working on the Indiana Biographies project. It's been a long time since >>>I sent you all a list of the counties with biographies online and the >>>list is growing. We have well over 4,000 biographies online (Suzy >>>Sprague, my asst coordinator gets to keep the count). I have tried to >>>put together a crude list of all the counties, the url for them (if we >>>have one) and the name of the county coordinator. Some of these names >>>should look real familiar to this list! The ones that say TEMP after >>>them have online bios but no one to give them a permanent home and yes, >>>the ones with nothing after them are still orphans with no biographies >>>online - submissions are welcome. I hope you'll all link the site on >>>your county pages, I encourage the Bio coordinators to link to yourpages. >>>Please forgive the list, it's late and I've been at a 3 hour 4-H meeting >>>on rule changes so I'm not totally functional! Good night everyone! >>> >>> >>>------------------------------snip----------------------------- >>> (A list of counties, and their URL's and coordinators followed) >>> >>>Both Indytalk and INGen-L were not archiving back when I had Indiana Bios >>>project, or I would have forwarded to you all the postings I made about >the >>>project many months previous to the above posting. >>> >>>Just my two cents worth.....please remember, we can't tell someone they >>>can't make a site on whatever they want....if someone else starts a >>Crawford >>>Co. site, I'm not going to get mad and throw a tantrum...I'll e-mail the >>>person and talk to them about a joint effort....helping each other, not >>>trying to shut each other down. >>> >>> >>>BTW, Kailyn is doing great! She's up to 3lbs 8 oz...we're hoping to have >>>her home in a few weeks! :-) (Maybe when she comes home I'll have the time >>>to finish my transcribing and posting all of the information I have for >>>Crawford, including Biographies....maybe not, LOL...but I'll get it >>>done...slowly, but surely! ;-)) >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Dee >>> >>> >> >> >> >

Hancock and Fayette here working on some bios and history to go online T & C Tom & Carolyn WARD P.O. Box 77 Columbus KS 66725-0077 (316) 429-3475 tcward@columbus-ks.com

Dee, Thank you!! I knew I wasn't dreaming when I spoke of this having been posted a long while back. > ----------------------snip--------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:00:40 -0500 > From: Deb Murray <debmurray@worldnet.att.net> > To: INDYTALK-L@rootsweb.com > working on the Indiana Biographies project. It's been a long time since > I sent you all a list of the counties with biographies online and the > ----------------------snip--------------------------------- > BTW, Kailyn is doing great! She's up to 3lbs 8 oz...we're hoping to have > her home in a few weeks! :-) Wonderful!!! I am glad to hear things are going as good as they seem to be.... Cheers! Lori INGenWeb ASC

Whoa!! Wait a minute.... We can't stop anyone else from creating *whatever* project they want to start. We do not own the internet, and we can't take away others rights to websites simply because we don't like what they're doing. (If we could I could think of many I would like to remove, and none have anything to do with genealogy) We also cannot stop anyone from creating a link to our site, this would be similar to banning the Telephone books. I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and think about what they're saying. Darilee, are you asking the US Biographies project to close up shop? If so, what about all the biographies they have spent long hours posting? Do you feel they should just give up everything they have been working on all this time and hand it over to another project? If so, turn the tables...what if they asked us to close it up? Also, what about the many USGenWeb volunteers who do not want to post biographies, or simply don't have time? I would think most CC's would be appreciative of this. One more resource for all of the genealogists on-line....isn't that why we're here? To help them...not take things away! I started the Indiana Biographies Project. I sent numerous messages through Indytalk asking for volunteers. I received responses from many of the INGenWeb volunteers, and the first 15 or so volunteers started right away. Jerry Mounts was our first volunteer to go on-line with his pages. In the week or so that I was corresponding with INGenWeb through Indytalk about the bios project, I received not a single complaint about the project. For everyones information, I have copied and pasted a message from Deb Murray (hope you don't mind Deb)that came through Indytalk. (notice the date) This would have been a more appropriate time to voice concerns, or offer to adopt your county, or simply e-mail the current coordinator and discuss sharing information, etc. ----------------------snip--------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:00:40 -0500 From: Deb Murray <debmurray@worldnet.att.net> To: INDYTALK-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <36242FF8.D42@worldnet.att.net>Subject: Let's Talk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Betty, I'm going to take your invite to do something I've been meaning to do for awhile. I have been adding obituaries, poems and some cemetary listings to Fulton, Lagrange and Pulaski Counties. I've also been working on the Indiana Biographies project. It's been a long time since I sent you all a list of the counties with biographies online and the list is growing. We have well over 4,000 biographies online (Suzy Sprague, my asst coordinator gets to keep the count). I have tried to put together a crude list of all the counties, the url for them (if we have one) and the name of the county coordinator. Some of these names should look real familiar to this list! The ones that say TEMP after them have online bios but no one to give them a permanent home and yes, the ones with nothing after them are still orphans with no biographies online - submissions are welcome. I hope you'll all link the site on your county pages, I encourage the Bio coordinators to link to yourpages. Please forgive the list, it's late and I've been at a 3 hour 4-H meeting on rule changes so I'm not totally functional! Good night everyone! ------------------------------snip----------------------------- (A list of counties, and their URL's and coordinators followed) Both Indytalk and INGen-L were not archiving back when I had Indiana Bios project, or I would have forwarded to you all the postings I made about the project many months previous to the above posting. Just my two cents worth.....please remember, we can't tell someone they can't make a site on whatever they want....if someone else starts a Crawford Co. site, I'm not going to get mad and throw a tantrum...I'll e-mail the person and talk to them about a joint effort....helping each other, not trying to shut each other down. BTW, Kailyn is doing great! She's up to 3lbs 8 oz...we're hoping to have her home in a few weeks! :-) (Maybe when she comes home I'll have the time to finish my transcribing and posting all of the information I have for Crawford, including Biographies....maybe not, LOL...but I'll get it done...slowly, but surely! ;-)) Thanks Dee

Tippecanoe county here. Not much new this month, still working on biographies. -- Adina Watkins Dyer TIPPECANOE CO. INGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/index.html INGenWeb Project Links http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/ingwlinks.htm CAROLINE CO. MDGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdcaroli/index.htm