In a message dated 99-05-06 22:49:56 EDT, KFether123@aol.com writes: << Subj: Re: re:no joke Date: 99-05-06 22:49:56 EDT From: KFether123@aol.com To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com This is a well circulated "urban legend" >> NO JOKE! #1. How many times is this going to get sent to the same genealogy lists over and over ? #2. Hmmm HIV scare...do we live in a communist country that only puts a few things on the news or do we live in a country where the media goes crazy for HIV stories and would have it on every station for 5 days straight? #3. Do people get paid per address they send this stuff to?? It's getting old, I'm sorry to be rude but cmon. Kathy

This is a well circulated "urban legend"

Carroll County is now back on line with a temporary page located at http://www.usroots.com/~kyseeker/carroll/temp/carroll.html. Some of the goodies are not there as they were removed - but the queries, surnames and links are there. If you have information for this site - please contact me. It will remain at this temporary site for 30 days and then will be put up for adoption. Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana

I think it's great - good suggestion Chris! John G. West wrote: > > Excellent! Chris that is the word that I could not come up with to improve > that sentence. > > 1. Maintaining an INGenWeb County web site **involves** posting information > that is beneficial to genealogical researchers concerning the county. > > Now, how does that sound to everyone? JGW > > At 07:48 AM 5/4/99 -0500, Chris Myers wrote: > >At 10:38 PM 5/3/99 -0500, John G. West wrote: > >>Then, Lori, please suggest how it should be worded. Or perhaps tell me > >>which words you do not like and I will try to change them for you. Debby > >>wrote the words for this and Eric & I agree with it as what we intend on it > >>to mean. I have looked at this several times and do not understand why > >>anyone would not want our CCs to have INGenWeb sites with genealogy > >>information on it that is of interest to their county. Come on, isn't that > >>what we are all here to do? This first little sentence tells anyone > >>interested in helping that this is what it is all about - helping > >>researchers find their roots in our county. Lori, so far, you are the only > >>one that READS that sentence the way you do - are there others who READ > >>this differently than it was intended? I think the sentence says what it > >>should, maybe someone else can suggest improvements! > > > >The first sentence sounds fine. > >If it needs to be changed, > >try the word "involves" instead of "requires" > > > >-Chris > > > > > >

Holly & All INGenWeb County Coordinators, I just finished the change that Chris Myers suggested in Item #1 and this final version says "Final Version - Ready for Balloting." It will not be changed again - this is the "official Version" please print out a copy to verify later. If the proposal is accepted, these words - "Final Version - Ready for Balloting" will be removed and a notation that they were adopted on such & such date will be added at the bottom. A link to a copy of this will be placed on the State page when approved. Here is the URL: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8066/inrules.htm The link is on the ballot so that you can examine the page before you cast your vote, if you wish. JGW At 05:40 PM 5/4/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 01:25 PM 5/4/99 -0700, Betty Sellers wrote: >>The notice of where to pick up your ballot and password have been sent. If >>you do not receive one contact me. >>Dolores Lombardi's mail is bouncing for the past week - otherwise I think we >>are all accounted for.. > >Betty... I received my ballot but before voting I would like to see and >re-read the final wording. Is this officially on display some where? > >Holly Timm >Dubois > > >

Ok, I am behind on reading my email (worked all day at the polls) -- so this response may be a bit tardy. I have just 2 things to say -- I apologize ahead of time for my abruptness (is that a word??) Betty, I agree 100% with your reply to Glen of LaPorte GenWeb. I certainly hope he gave you the apology that you deserve. And to Glen, This is supposed to be a fun project for all involved. By the sounds of your not -so -polite letter, I don't think you are having fun with it anymore. Relax................enjoy it and realize that this project is run by volunteers. It is not a profit seeking corporation or Fortune 500 company. One more comment -- the use of the term "idiot" is completely uncalled for. Kenna Vermillion County INGenWeb

At 01:25 PM 5/4/99 -0700, Betty Sellers wrote: >The notice of where to pick up your ballot and password have been sent. If >you do not receive one contact me. >Dolores Lombardi's mail is bouncing for the past week - otherwise I think we >are all accounted for.. Betty... I received my ballot but before voting I would like to see and re-read the final wording. Is this officially on display some where? Holly Timm Dubois

The notice of where to pick up your ballot and password have been sent. If you do not receive one contact me. Dolores Lombardi's mail is bouncing for the past week - otherwise I think we are all accounted for.. Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana

One big happy family. Well big anyway. -- Mike Pierce, Pike County, In. Webmaster http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpike/Pikegen.htm

Excellent! Chris that is the word that I could not come up with to improve that sentence. 1. Maintaining an INGenWeb County web site **involves** posting information that is beneficial to genealogical researchers concerning the county. Now, how does that sound to everyone? JGW At 07:48 AM 5/4/99 -0500, Chris Myers wrote: >At 10:38 PM 5/3/99 -0500, John G. West wrote: >>Then, Lori, please suggest how it should be worded. Or perhaps tell me >>which words you do not like and I will try to change them for you. Debby >>wrote the words for this and Eric & I agree with it as what we intend on it >>to mean. I have looked at this several times and do not understand why >>anyone would not want our CCs to have INGenWeb sites with genealogy >>information on it that is of interest to their county. Come on, isn't that >>what we are all here to do? This first little sentence tells anyone >>interested in helping that this is what it is all about - helping >>researchers find their roots in our county. Lori, so far, you are the only >>one that READS that sentence the way you do - are there others who READ >>this differently than it was intended? I think the sentence says what it >>should, maybe someone else can suggest improvements! > >The first sentence sounds fine. >If it needs to be changed, >try the word "involves" instead of "requires" > >-Chris > > >

Newton County supports you, Betty. I am sorry that Lake County adopted Newton County Biographies link, as we are more familiar with persons of historical significance than other county cooordinators. Bob Williamson. ----- Original Message ----- From: <INGEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <INGEN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:13 AM Subject: INGEN-D Digest V99 #63

At 10:38 PM 5/3/99 -0500, John G. West wrote: >Then, Lori, please suggest how it should be worded. Or perhaps tell me >which words you do not like and I will try to change them for you. Debby >wrote the words for this and Eric & I agree with it as what we intend on it >to mean. I have looked at this several times and do not understand why >anyone would not want our CCs to have INGenWeb sites with genealogy >information on it that is of interest to their county. Come on, isn't that >what we are all here to do? This first little sentence tells anyone >interested in helping that this is what it is all about - helping >researchers find their roots in our county. Lori, so far, you are the only >one that READS that sentence the way you do - are there others who READ >this differently than it was intended? I think the sentence says what it >should, maybe someone else can suggest improvements! The first sentence sounds fine. If it needs to be changed, try the word "involves" instead of "requires" -Chris

In a message dated 99-05-04 09:52:55 EDT, willpad@netnitco.net writes: << Newton County supports you, Betty. I am sorry that Lake County adopted Newton County Biographies link, as we are more familiar with persons of historical significance than other county cooordinators. Bob Williamson. >> Lake County didnt adopt it...I did. Thats why it's address is not /~inlake/newtbio.htm it is /~KHuish/newtbio.htm. The biographies arent just for people of historical signifigance...a lot of little people built this country too (including my ancestors from Newton Co.), and their descendents are looking for them. If the Newton county GenWeb page had more than 2 census's and a query page in over 2 years time, I would think maybe the coordinator was going to do something towards getting more info online. You said you were busy getting census's online...that is fine, census transcription is VERY important. So why is there a problem with someone else putting up biographies that you never intended to put up in the first place? Aren't we all here to help people find their roots? If I had the slightest thought that you would work towards getting more biographies online, I would quietly offer to walk away and hand it over...but I dont see it happening. Until you do have such plans...why is there a problem with someone helping you get information to Newton county people? I don't want to fight...I just want to help people find their heritage...why do people have such a problem with cooperation?? I can get my 11 and 4 yr old daughters to help each other get something done...why can't adults in Indiana do the same? Kathy

-----Original Message----- From: Glen Edward McGlothlin <glenemc@adsnet.com> To: INGEN-L@rootsweb.com <INGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 10:07 PM Subject: laws? >To the self appointed high council of Indiana GenWeb, This is a NOT self appointed high council of Indiana GenWeb....I am the SC.. and that is spelled - S-T-A-T-E C-O-O-R-D-I-N-A-T-O-R and I was elected to this office. I am a CC and that is spelled C-O-U-N-T-Y C-O-O-R-D-I-N-A-T-O-R just like you are! I appointed the Guidelines and Procedures Committee after a vote of the InGenWeb on November 14, 1998 that voted on options and accepted: Option#2 The State Coordinator and a selected county coordinator will present five or six simple guidelines and call for a vote. These will pertain to elections, grievance inside the state, etc. - This is in full accordance with the UsGenWeb bylaws. > >Why is Indiana setting laws on this. Is this not more properly a function >of the U.S. level of GenWeb? Shouldn't they, and not you, be setting up >standards? We are not setting LAWS - we are voting on Guidelines and Procedures... - we voted against BYLAWS. In the UsGenWeb bylaws it states: ============================================================ Section 5. State projects are empowered to develop/adopt any additional rules/bylaws and guidelines, as appropriate, for their state so long as they do not conflict with these bylaws. State projects shall be highly encouraged to develop and adopt rules/bylaws that cover grievance procedures within the state ============================================================ == and -- we are in full compliance with the UsGenWeb. First and foremost InGenWeb is a part of UsGenWeb but Indiana is also an entity of it's own. Our main concern is for the researcher and how we can help as VOLUNTEERS in the State of Indiana. First and foremost we believe in starting at the County Level - connecting to the State level and then connecting to the US level... The UsGenWeb Bylaws states: > >As for the recent flap, I believe all of the VOLUNTEERS (capitalization >intended) understand that their sites are there to facilitate genealogical >research, so a bi-law mandating this is either a redundancy or a >patronization. If it is being done to prevent someone from also selling >snake oil from their site, I believe we also understand this without an >extra law. > I again repeat these are not LAWS they are Guidelines... >Secondly, I raised the issue of using non-standard terms like CC SC NC etc. >If they are abbreviations, standard or not, the laws governing the use of >English state that they must be written as C.C., S.C., and N.C., etc. And >then you need to have them defined somewhere publicly so that we know what >the hell you meant in the first place. Otherwise, they will be mistaken for >things such as South and North Carolina. I missed one GenWeb election last >year because some idiot said the vote was for SC and NC, which only the U.S. >Post Office uses as 2 letter codes (note that they are not abbreviations) >for the states. I ignored the vote because I'm in Indiana and have nothing >to do with North or South Carolina. Before there ever was a USGENWEB - I was a volunteer for three counties in Kentucky, which I love very much. At NO TIME when I volunteered for this job was I asked how much education I had or how I abbreviated or how I spoke English. When I volunteered for Indiana when the UsGenWeb was forming I had no application form either... Now Glen - you've irritated me this evening - and hit a very sore spot... I don't have a good education. I have a very poor education. I received my G.E.D. diploma while my mother was lying on her death bed and I was trying to care for her. I am what I am at at 62 years of age I am not going to change... > >Thirdly, since we are Americans, regardless of any superficial vote, most of >us will ignore BIG BROTHER, and do it our way, and in the best way we can. Now - to the Indiana Coordinator's... I love you all - and to you I apologize for this outburst... but I've received these letters for the last six days and it's time for it to STOP I am not your leader - I represent you for Indiana and I in now way rule any of you. YOU govern ME. Glen you owe me an apology . Betty a/k/a - Kyseeker of Kentucky and Indiana >Glen McGlothlin >La Porte GenWeb >

Open letter to Glen: Glen, the committee that was appointed by the SC (I am not an English language addict, but in the USGenWeb Project - the group you are in [not GenWeb, that is another group!] - SC = State Coordinator) was the results of a survey taken of the INGenWeb County Coordinators (we call them CCs for short - shop talk don't you know). I bet that sentence has more grammatical errors than Carter has liver pills! <LOL> ["<LOL>" is Internet shorthand.] The USGenWeb Project By-Laws permit each state the authority to make standards for their state level organization. And we should do so. Gosh, Glen, you sure know how to make people glad to hear from you. I know you must think that most of us are "idiots," but I am just a country hick from Southern Indiana. Guess what? I have a real "BIG BROTHER" and his name is Glen, too! Glen - you would like him - he likes to call everyone an "idiot," too! My big brother, Glen, had a stroke last year. I suggested that he lighten-up [that's slang for "relax"]. I said, "Glen, stop calling people an "idiot" just because they do not think like a "big jerk" like you!" My big brother laughed and said, "Thanks for your advice - you idiot!" <smiling> Gee, Glen, I hope we can get along better in the future! John G. West, Snake Oil Sales Rep for Sothern Indiana And Vanderburgh Co. CC At 12:04 AM 5/4/99 -0500, Glen Edward McGlothlin wrote: >To the self appointed high council of Indiana GenWeb, > >Why is Indiana setting laws on this. Is this not more properly a function >of the U.S. level of GenWeb? Shouldn't they, and not you, be setting up >standards? > >As for the recent flap, I believe all of the VOLUNTEERS (capitalization >intended) understand that their sites are there to facilitate genealogical >research, so a bi-law mandating this is either a redundancy or a >patronization. If it is being done to prevent someone from also selling >snake oil from their site, I believe we also understand this without an >extra law. > >Secondly, I raised the issue of using non-standard terms like CC SC NC etc. >If they are abbreviations, standard or not, the laws governing the use of >English state that they must be written as C.C., S.C., and N.C., etc. And >then you need to have them defined somewhere publicly so that we know what >the hell you meant in the first place. Otherwise, they will be mistaken for >things such as South and North Carolina. I missed one GenWeb election last >year because some idiot said the vote was for SC and NC, which only the U.S. >Post Office uses as 2 letter codes (note that they are not abbreviations) >for the states. I ignored the vote because I'm in Indiana and have nothing >to do with North or South Carolina. > >Thirdly, since we are Americans, regardless of any superficial vote, most of >us will ignore BIG BROTHER, and do it our way, and in the best way we can. > >Glen McGlothlin >La Porte GenWeb > > >

Betty, You go girl!! Adina - Tippecanoe Co.

To the self appointed high council of Indiana GenWeb, Why is Indiana setting laws on this. Is this not more properly a function of the U.S. level of GenWeb? Shouldn't they, and not you, be setting up standards? As for the recent flap, I believe all of the VOLUNTEERS (capitalization intended) understand that their sites are there to facilitate genealogical research, so a bi-law mandating this is either a redundancy or a patronization. If it is being done to prevent someone from also selling snake oil from their site, I believe we also understand this without an extra law. Secondly, I raised the issue of using non-standard terms like CC SC NC etc. If they are abbreviations, standard or not, the laws governing the use of English state that they must be written as C.C., S.C., and N.C., etc. And then you need to have them defined somewhere publicly so that we know what the hell you meant in the first place. Otherwise, they will be mistaken for things such as South and North Carolina. I missed one GenWeb election last year because some idiot said the vote was for SC and NC, which only the U.S. Post Office uses as 2 letter codes (note that they are not abbreviations) for the states. I ignored the vote because I'm in Indiana and have nothing to do with North or South Carolina. Thirdly, since we are Americans, regardless of any superficial vote, most of us will ignore BIG BROTHER, and do it our way, and in the best way we can. Glen McGlothlin La Porte GenWeb

Then, Lori, please suggest how it should be worded. Or perhaps tell me which words you do not like and I will try to change them for you. Debby wrote the words for this and Eric & I agree with it as what we intend on it to mean. I have looked at this several times and do not understand why anyone would not want our CCs to have INGenWeb sites with genealogy information on it that is of interest to their county. Come on, isn't that what we are all here to do? This first little sentence tells anyone interested in helping that this is what it is all about - helping researchers find their roots in our county. Lori, so far, you are the only one that READS that sentence the way you do - are there others who READ this differently than it was intended? I think the sentence says what it should, maybe someone else can suggest improvements! JGW At 07:54 PM 5/3/99 -0500, Lori wrote: >Debby >> That was very well stated. > >Too bad it doesn't READ that way. > >I agree with what John says it is "supposed" to mean, but I don't agree >with how it is worded. It means something other than what the committee >intends for it to mean, the way it comes across right now. > >> >Lori, this is a very simple statement stating that this is a website of a >> >genealogical nature that concerns this one particular county. I do not >> >think it has some sinister or demanding nature to it as you seem to read >> >into it. Any word in this entire document can be twisted by anyone. >> >Please take the sentence in its entirety. JGW > >Lori >Ripley CC > > >

Glen dear, Are you on the North Carolina and/or South Carolina lists??? After all the talking about state coordinators and county coordinators on the Indiana lists...how long does it take to figure it out? And why would a voting message for South/North Carolina's be sent to the Indiana list?? Sometimes people are just APA's and cannot figure simple things out even after PRFT, and then they send a 200 word essay proving such facts. And after 2 years of using the terms SC NC and CC, I would think they would become standard terms. If you didn't understand what they meant, you could've asked someone before slinging the word idiot around. Betty isn't the only one with a GED (Abbrev: Good Enough Diploma) I gots one of them their things too! Kathy In a message dated 99-05-04 01:05:17 EDT, glenemc@adsnet.com writes: << Secondly, I raised the issue of using non-standard terms like CC SC NC etc. If they are abbreviations, standard or not, the laws governing the use of English state that they must be written as C.C., S.C., and N.C., etc. And then you need to have them defined somewhere publicly so that we know what the hell you meant in the first place. Otherwise, they will be mistaken for things such as South and North Carolina. I missed one GenWeb election last year because some idiot said the vote was for SC and NC, which only the U.S. Post Office uses as 2 letter codes (note that they are not abbreviations) for the states. I ignored the vote because I'm in Indiana and have nothing to do with North or South Carolina. >>

Debby > That was very well stated. Too bad it doesn't READ that way. I agree with what John says it is "supposed" to mean, but I don't agree with how it is worded. It means something other than what the committee intends for it to mean, the way it comes across right now. > >Lori, this is a very simple statement stating that this is a website of a > >genealogical nature that concerns this one particular county. I do not > >think it has some sinister or demanding nature to it as you seem to read > >into it. Any word in this entire document can be twisted by anyone. > >Please take the sentence in its entirety. JGW Lori Ripley CC