This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Holderman, Kreider Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Vh.2ADI/2113.1 Message Board Post: Hi Maria! I might be able to help you with the parents of John Kreider, but you will have to give me a day or so to get back to you. I am in contact with Alice (Royer) Kreider, on and off. She is the widow of David B. Kreider, John Kreider's grandson. If I remember correctly, I found the Kreider family in one of the Miller genealogies online, but lost the website when my computer chashed two years ago. I haven't been able to locate it again. How are you connected to the Kreider family? Joseph R. Murnane 4219 Jersey Rd. Williamson, NY 14589 315-589-6631 JMurnane77@aol.com