There probably was not a birth certificate. It probably is in a bible somewhere. When I was in Goshen, they have records to a POINT, but birth certificates were almost non existant in 1843. Maybe someone out there has some other type of reference, or proof for you, a headstone, furneral records etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dayshne@aol.com> To: <INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [INELKHAR] debby > Hi > > I have been trying to get a copy of my gggradnfathers birth cert. There was > fire where those > records were kept. They start at 1880 now. I need a 1843 birth cert and it > just isn't there. > I don't know where else to look for that information, if you get an answer > on this, please let me know, or if anyone else out there knows, my email is > dayshne@aol.com > I'd appreciate any help. I'm researching the Ivins line. > Thanks > > Sara Tuttle >