There probably was not a birth certificate. It probably is in a bible somewhere. When I was in Goshen, they have records to a POINT, but birth certificates were almost non existant in 1843. Maybe someone out there has some other type of reference, or proof for you, a headstone, furneral records etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dayshne@aol.com> To: <INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [INELKHAR] debby > Hi > > I have been trying to get a copy of my gggradnfathers birth cert. There was > fire where those > records were kept. They start at 1880 now. I need a 1843 birth cert and it > just isn't there. > I don't know where else to look for that information, if you get an answer > on this, please let me know, or if anyone else out there knows, my email is > dayshne@aol.com > I'd appreciate any help. I'm researching the Ivins line. > Thanks > > Sara Tuttle >

Hi I have been trying to get a copy of my gggradnfathers birth cert. There was fire where those records were kept. They start at 1880 now. I need a 1843 birth cert and it just isn't there. I don't know where else to look for that information, if you get an answer on this, please let me know, or if anyone else out there knows, my email is dayshne@aol.com I'd appreciate any help. I'm researching the Ivins line. Thanks Sara Tuttle

In the 1830 census for Elkhart County, IN is shown a John ADAMS family. It shows John as being between the ages of 50 and 60. He does not appear in the 1840 or 1850 census, so most likely he died between after the 1830 census. Is there anyone out there researching this ADAMS family? Following the entry for John Adams on the census for 1830 is shown an Asa ADAMS between the ages 20 and 30. Most likely related to the John ADAMS - perhaps son of John. I am looking to track a Washington ADAMS born in 1811 in Ohio. We have reason to believe that Washington ADAMS is the son of John ADAMS mentioned above. Thank you for your help. Perry Adams, San Carlos, California USA

Hello! I am looking for a birth record from 1865. It is for Elmer Smith. His parents were Obediah (or Obedia) and Sarah (or Sara) Smith. Is there an online listing for this information. If not can anybody do a birth lookup? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Debby

Hello: I am tracing the Sumner branch of my family eastward from Wisconsin. I am writing historical fiction based on the life of my maternal great - great grandmother Sarah L Sumner who was born in Elkhart County (Cleveland Township) in 1844 and moved to Dodge County Wisconsin between 1851 - 1860. Father - Joel Sumner Mother - Sarah Perry Sumner Paternal Grandfather - Harvey Sumner (I think). Siblings: James P. Sumner and Norman Sumner Any information you would like to share is appreciated. Sally Jones RR 7 Box 474 Spencer IN 47460

Peggy, You want to go to the Elkhart County Parks and Recreation Building, 22887 County Road 45 (Wilden Ave.). Be sure to go to the court house first, however, so that you get the index information for records kept off site. When you leave downtown Goshen, take U.S. 33 north, (Elkhart Road) toward Elkhart. When you get to Green Road, turn right, cross the tracks, and then turn left. If you get to Dunlap, you've gone too far. Good luck, Sally K. INELKHAR-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Subject: > > INELKHAR-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 25 > > Today's Topics: > #1 where are the Archives ["Peggy Straughen" <bpstraughen@day] > #2 RE: [INELKHAR] where are the Archi ["Tom Stevens" <tom.stevens15@veriz] > #3 Re: [INELKHAR] where are the Archi [John46528@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from INELKHAR-D, send a message to > > INELKHAR-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: where are the Archives > Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:01:43 -0400 > From: "Peggy Straughen" <bpstraughen@dayton.net> > To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Please, I need an immediate answer to this, because I am leaving for Elkhart > Co. in the morning to do research. > > Several people told me to be sure to call 'Sam' and make an appointment to > visit the Archives. I did this, but when Sam returned my call, my husband > took the message and he did not ask for an address or directions, so I don't > know where this is located . > > Thanks, Peggy B. STraughen bpstraughen@dayton.net > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [INELKHAR] where are the Archives > Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:43:18 -0500 > From: "Tom Stevens" <tom.stevens15@verizon.net> > To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Not sure what is meant by "The Archives." This page is a bit outdated so > call before you drive, but check the list at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inelkhar/elkgen.htm. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peggy Straughen [mailto:bpstraughen@dayton.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:02 PM > To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INELKHAR] where are the Archives > > Please, I need an immediate answer to this, because I am leaving for Elkhart > Co. in the morning to do research. > > Several people told me to be sure to call 'Sam' and make an appointment to > visit the Archives. I did this, but when Sam returned my call, my husband > took the message and he did not ask for an address or directions, so I don't > know where this is located . > > Thanks, Peggy B. STraughen bpstraughen@dayton.net > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [INELKHAR] where are the Archives > Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:00:40 EDT > From: John46528@aol.com > To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Gentle Friend -- > > When are you leaving in the morning? > > There are several different places that one could call "Archives" -- it > depends upon what you are looking for: > > 1) Birth/Death Records -- Goshen or Elkhart > 2) Marriage/Land/Recorder Records -- Goshen > 3) Microfilm Misc County Records - Goshen > 4) Other Archives -- Bristol > > Each of these locations are at different sites > > John > Goshen IN

Gentle Friend -- When are you leaving in the morning? There are several different places that one could call "Archives" -- it depends upon what you are looking for: 1) Birth/Death Records -- Goshen or Elkhart 2) Marriage/Land/Recorder Records -- Goshen 3) Microfilm Misc County Records - Goshen 4) Other Archives -- Bristol Each of these locations are at different sites John Goshen IN

Not sure what is meant by "The Archives." This page is a bit outdated so call before you drive, but check the list at http://www.rootsweb.com/~inelkhar/elkgen.htm. -----Original Message----- From: Peggy Straughen [mailto:bpstraughen@dayton.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:02 PM To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INELKHAR] where are the Archives Please, I need an immediate answer to this, because I am leaving for Elkhart Co. in the morning to do research. Several people told me to be sure to call 'Sam' and make an appointment to visit the Archives. I did this, but when Sam returned my call, my husband took the message and he did not ask for an address or directions, so I don't know where this is located . Thanks, Peggy B. STraughen bpstraughen@dayton.net

Please, I need an immediate answer to this, because I am leaving for Elkhart Co. in the morning to do research. Several people told me to be sure to call 'Sam' and make an appointment to visit the Archives. I did this, but when Sam returned my call, my husband took the message and he did not ask for an address or directions, so I don't know where this is located . Thanks, Peggy B. STraughen bpstraughen@dayton.net

I am new to the list. I grew up in Ft. Wayne Indiania. I jus found a great grandmother who married a Claude B. Gindlesparger or Gindlesperger. In the 1920 census they lived in Elkhart Indiana. Two children are listed, Darwood and Lousie. Their last name should be Hamilton. Don't know if the mom legally changed it to Gindlesparger or not. Claude was married to Julia M. Would like to know where this family is buried and Julia was my Great grandfather's first wife. ( One of several, I guess a family tradition as my research has shown, but not me). I don't find them on the SSDI either. Any help would be appreciated Sally in Nebraska

Peggy, You've probably already searched the Elkhart County genweb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~inelkhar/ The Indiana room of the Goshen public library would be a good first stop. Most of Elkhart County's cemeteries have been surveyed, and the library has these publications, as well as vital records indexes, old newspapers on microfilm and lots of other goodies. "Courthouse" records are located both in the courthouse and at the county archives, about three miles northeast of the courthouse. You'll want to start with the courthouse, because they still have lots of the records, and in some cases, they have the indexes you'll need to get the drawer and vault numbers needed to access the files at the archives. Elkhart County Archives - Call Sam at 574-535-6668. Be sure to call ahead, as the archivist's duties take him away from the building on a regular basis. You will need cash or money orders for either the courthouse or the county archives ($1 per page for copies) If you get through all this, there's also the Elkhart County Historical Museum, 304 W. Vistula, Bristol, IN 46507, phone: (574) 848-4322. They also have a lot of the old county records. (Take Indiana 15 north out of Goshen. When you get to SR 120 in Bristol, turn left at the light. The museum is in the former Bristol High School.) Type(s) of Repository: Business, Museum, Government, Historical Organization, Library, Nonprofit Organization. Hours: Sun. 1:00-5:00 p.m.; Tues. 6:00-8:00 p.m.; Wed. 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.; Fri. noon-3:00 p.m.; and by appointment. The collections include archival and manuscript collections relating to the history of Elkhart County from 1830 to the present. Besides official public records, there are various business records, personal collections, newspapers, and photographs. Happy Hunting Sally K. INELKHAR-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Subject: > > INELKHAR-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 20 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Cemetery info? ["Peggy Straughen" <bpstraughen@day] > #2 Marriage Records ["Debby" <ddoud3674@hotmail.com>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from INELKHAR-D, send a message to > > INELKHAR-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Cemetery info? > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:03:23 -0400 > From: "Peggy Straughen" <bpstraughen@dayton.net> > To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com > > I am new to this list, but I am coming to Elkhart Co. (Goshen area) on > Thurs.-Fri., May 13-14 to do some research on my Ritchey / Ritchie and Lear > / Leer ancestors. I understand they are buried in the West Goshen Cemetery > and I want to visit there. Where is it in Goshen and how do I get there? > Also, is there a map of burial plots, so that I don't waste too much time > wandering around in search of my names? > > Anybody have any good ideas of places to go besides the County courthouse? > All help greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > Peggy in Dayton > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Marriage Records > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:47:55 -0400 > From: "Debby" <ddoud3674@hotmail.com> > To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello! > > I am new to this board. Could anyone please tell me if there is a website that lists marriage records between 1860 and 1880? > > Thank you for your help! > > Debby

James - Could this URL be correct? For 2 days I have received the "Page cannot be displayed" notice. Virginia > [Original Message] > From: James K Brown <t4gif@yahoo.com> > To: <INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 4/20/04 10:45:58 AM > Subject: [INELKHAR] Buried Veterans Records Now On Web > > Buried Veterans Records Now On Web > Associated Press > April 13, 2004, > > WASHINGTON - Sally Naporlee turned to the Department of Veterans Affairs to find out more about her grandfather, who served during World War I. > > > After a few weeks wait for a response, Naporlee learned from the VA that Carmelo Castorina is buried at Long Island National Cemetery in Farmingdale, N.Y. Unexpectedly, she also learned from VA that her grandmother is buried with him, a privilege extended to veterans' spouses. > > VA has made it easier and faster for the public to get answers about family history, old war buddies or famous war heroes. The agency put on the Web 3.2 million records for veterans buried at 120 national cemeteries since the Civil War. > > The VA's Nationwide Gravesite Locator, at http://www.cem.va.gov, also has records for some state veterans cemeteries and burials in Arlington National Cemetery since 1999. > > Joe Nosari, VA's deputy chief information officer for Memorial Affairs, said the records used to be on paper and microfilm. Private companies have put some of the information online and charged for it, but the VA information is free, he said. > > Naporlee, of Spokane, Wash., also learned her grandfather served with the Army's 161 DB unit, enlisting June 24, 1918. He was honorably discharged December 17, 1918. > > The VA's gravesite navigator includes names, dates of birth and death, military service dates, service branch and rank if known, cemetery information and grave location in the cemetery. The VA will withhold some information, such as next of kin, for privacy purposes. > > The site will be updated daily. Annually, about 80,000 veterans are buried at national cemeteries. > > The VA also hopes to add records for veterans whose families requested grave markers from the VA. Those markers may go to private cemeteries or cemeteries overseas. >

Buried Veterans Records Now On Web Associated Press April 13, 2004, WASHINGTON - Sally Naporlee turned to the Department of Veterans Affairs to find out more about her grandfather, who served during World War I. After a few weeks wait for a response, Naporlee learned from the VA that Carmelo Castorina is buried at Long Island National Cemetery in Farmingdale, N.Y. Unexpectedly, she also learned from VA that her grandmother is buried with him, a privilege extended to veterans' spouses. VA has made it easier and faster for the public to get answers about family history, old war buddies or famous war heroes. The agency put on the Web 3.2 million records for veterans buried at 120 national cemeteries since the Civil War. The VA's Nationwide Gravesite Locator, at http://www.cem.va.gov, also has records for some state veterans cemeteries and burials in Arlington National Cemetery since 1999. Joe Nosari, VA's deputy chief information officer for Memorial Affairs, said the records used to be on paper and microfilm. Private companies have put some of the information online and charged for it, but the VA information is free, he said. Naporlee, of Spokane, Wash., also learned her grandfather served with the Army's 161 DB unit, enlisting June 24, 1918. He was honorably discharged December 17, 1918. The VA's gravesite navigator includes names, dates of birth and death, military service dates, service branch and rank if known, cemetery information and grave location in the cemetery. The VA will withhold some information, such as next of kin, for privacy purposes. The site will be updated daily. Annually, about 80,000 veterans are buried at national cemeteries. The VA also hopes to add records for veterans whose families requested grave markers from the VA. Those markers may go to private cemeteries or cemeteries overseas.

Hello! I am new to this board. Could anyone please tell me if there is a website that lists marriage records between 1860 and 1880? Thank you for your help! Debby

I am new to this list, but I am coming to Elkhart Co. (Goshen area) on Thurs.-Fri., May 13-14 to do some research on my Ritchey / Ritchie and Lear / Leer ancestors. I understand they are buried in the West Goshen Cemetery and I want to visit there. Where is it in Goshen and how do I get there? Also, is there a map of burial plots, so that I don't waste too much time wandering around in search of my names? Anybody have any good ideas of places to go besides the County courthouse? All help greatly appreciated. Thanks. Peggy in Dayton

Hello List, I am looking for a couple who were married in Elkart, Indiana in 1846. Wm. W. WHITE was born in PA. in Nov. 1824 and died in Greene Co., MO. in 1905. Francis L. Rogers was born in NEW YORK about 1831 and died in Arkansas after 1852 but before 1857. This couple was married July 9, 1846 in Elkhart, Indiana - I do have a copy of their marriage registration. Their first daughter CAROLINE B. WHITE was born in Elkhart, Ind. in 1848. Second daughter was Sarah and 3rd daughter evidently named after mother as she is Francis Loretta. Any help anyone can give me might stop my hair from turning completely white <grin>. Dottie in Calif.

Yes, you are right. The Clark family seems to have split up in the 1850s - some went to Mottsville, St. Joseph, and some went to Elkhart. Some moved back and forth between the two. The patriarch was Moses Clark, wife Elizabeth Hunt. They are both buried in Mottville. They originated in PA. Virginia > [Original Message] > From: Thom Carlson <tywaz@intergate.com> > To: <INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 4/5/04 2:06:31 PM > Subject: [INELKHAR] CLARK family again (with ADAMS footnote) > > For that matter, there were Clarks just north in St. Joseph Co, MI. My > Burdick/Skinner families came out to Elkhart/St. Joseph from the vicinity > of Essex & Washington Co's, NY, and there was some history there with > Clark people, so perhaps that would be another place to look further. > > BTW, the same is true of the Adams family, for the fellow looking for > Washington Adams--his name might have derived from the county of his > birth--it's at least worth checking if you're at a brick wall. > > t > > > At 12:01 PM 4/5/04, you wrote: > > >______________________________X-Message: #3 > >Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 19:47:44 -0700 > >From: Jeff Scism <scismgenie@adelphia.net> > >To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <4070C8D0.9090300@adelphia.net> > >Subject: Re: [INELKHAR] Re: INELKHAR-D Digest V04 #16 > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >There are a number of CLARK families in Montgomery County, into the Mid-1800s. > > > >-- > >`` > > > >Jeffery G. Scism. IBSSG > > > >Genealogy is the art of the living haunting the dead, If we persist > >perhaps they will become annoyed and tell us what REALLY happened. > >~~~~

For that matter, there were Clarks just north in St. Joseph Co, MI. My Burdick/Skinner families came out to Elkhart/St. Joseph from the vicinity of Essex & Washington Co's, NY, and there was some history there with Clark people, so perhaps that would be another place to look further. BTW, the same is true of the Adams family, for the fellow looking for Washington Adams--his name might have derived from the county of his birth--it's at least worth checking if you're at a brick wall. t At 12:01 PM 4/5/04, you wrote: >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 19:47:44 -0700 >From: Jeff Scism <scismgenie@adelphia.net> >To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <4070C8D0.9090300@adelphia.net> >Subject: Re: [INELKHAR] Re: INELKHAR-D Digest V04 #16 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >There are a number of CLARK families in Montgomery County, into the Mid-1800s. > >-- >`` > >Jeffery G. Scism. IBSSG > >Genealogy is the art of the living haunting the dead, If we persist >perhaps they will become annoyed and tell us what REALLY happened. >~~~~

There are a number of CLARK families in Montgomery County, into the Mid-1800s. -- `` Jeffery G. Scism. IBSSG Genealogy is the art of the living haunting the dead, If we persist perhaps they will become annoyed and tell us what REALLY happened. ~~~~

Virginia, Clark is a common name. You might want to look up regimental histories that may be available on the Internet. This will give you a general geography for many of the men who enlisted. If that geography seems reasonable based on what you know about the men in general, you may wish to order the civil war pension files on these men, if they exist (may not for deserters). Such files generally provide information about the lives of the soldier which will allow you to determine where they were from and who their immediate family was. See www.nara.gov (National Archives) for more information. The price can be a little prohibitive, but these files can solve a number of mysteries as well. Otherwise, you might want to go after siblings or other relatives. If they bought "mug book" sections for themselves, those narratives might give clues as to what happened to these two men. Good luck, sk INELKHAR-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Subject: > > INELKHAR-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 16 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [INELKHAR] Civil War Regiments ["Virginia Leighty" <vleighty@earth] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from INELKHAR-D, send a message to > > INELKHAR-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [INELKHAR] Civil War Regiments > Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:00:28 -0800 > From: "Virginia Leighty" <vleighty@earthlink.net> > To: INELKHAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Is anyone on this list a Civil War Buff? I need some advice please. > > There are two brothers, ELLIS & JOHN CLARK. Both were in Elkhart. They seem > to have disappeared after 1860, so I think they may have volunteered for > the war. I have some Regiment information as follows: > > 9th Infantry Regiment of Indiana. There is an Ellis Clark who enlisted on 5 > Sep 1861 as a private. In 1862 he deserted the regiment on Oct 10 in > Louisville Kentucky. > > 2nd Cavalry Regiment of Indiana. A John Clark enlisted 19 Nov 1861 as a > private. He died on 15 Dec 1862 of wounds received in battle. This was also > in Louisville, Kentucky. > > My problem is how to connect this information with my Ellis and John? How > can I determine if these are the same men? Any suggestions? > > Virginia