If family members were soldiers, and you know more about the years they lived, you can ask the soldier records in the Hague www.cbg.nl. Important is the "stamboeknummer" from the soldier, but they are helpful to find. The name Looij exists in the Netherlands. Regards, Fred van Veen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Mary Young Verzonden: dinsdag 28 augustus 2012 15:49 Aan: indonesia@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 4 Sorry for the delay in the responses. My cousin went to Indonesia, and went to Jakarta and other places where my grandmother and aunt were born. They also went to where ever the records are kept. They are from Holland and have also been to the Hague and could not find anything to prove that my grandmother was born in Jakarta. I don't think they could even find marriage information. The family story of my grandmother - Elisabeth Lups's mother (I think her name was Elisabeth too) was a servant/slave to a Dutch man by the name of Cornelius Lups who was living in Jakarta. Cornelius was married and had children. His Dutch wife passed away. He ended up either marrying my great grandmother, or just having a child with her. I am not sure, and this was a sort of taboo subject for my grandmother to speak of even when she was more than 80 years old. My great grandmother died, and then later, Cornelius died. My Oma (Elisabeth Lups) was sent to live with her half brother. She was treated as a servant and made to sleep in a courtyard where she said she was bit by rats. She was removed from the home by some sort of social services group. I don't know the particulars after that, but she married a Dutch soldier with the last name of Looy (this is the Americanized version of the name I believe), had my aunt in Jakarta, and then while pregnant, the soldier abandoned her. She married my Opa who was! also a Dutch soldier. They moved back and forth between Holland and Indonesia until my mother was a small baby and they had to flee Indonesia during an uprising. They stayed in Holland until my mother was 14, and then moved to Indiana in the U.S. Family members have gone to Indonesia to try to find documentation of my grandmother's line, and they have searched the records at the Hague. They were trying to get my aunt some sort of settlement funds or something like that. My Oma is deceased and before anything happens to my mother, I would love to be able to get more information, but have never been able to get anyone to help us look. I cannot afford to pay anyone and what is worse is that I do not know the language (either Dutch or Indonesian). I feel like a part of our heritage is missing. I would just like to know how much truth there is to the family story. I would also like to know about her lines and hear what she really went through. On Aug 28, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Michael Pringle) > 2. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 (Prisma) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:09:49 +1200 > From: Michael Pringle <mikelpringle@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <503BD40C.1090509@xtra.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Can you tell us what places your cousins looked for records, Mary? > > Thanks > > Michael Pringle > > E: mikelpringle@gmail.com > > Blog: trailfinder.wordpress.com > > FB: http://facebook.com/michael.pringle2 > > Mob: 021 119 6714 > > > On 27/08/2012 11:46 p.m., Mary Young wrote: >> I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >>> From: Talia Pacheco<machetegrrl@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >>> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com"<INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID:<539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >>> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>> *************************************** >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.27, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20500) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 07:10:40 +0700 > From: Prisma <prismapr@prismapr.co.id> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <24AFC9B4-640D-4E10-B166-3ACF43FCA412@prismapr.co.id> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Regarding the state of archives in Indonesia, the national archives are located in Jakarta, on the island of Java, which was not affected by the 2005 tsunami off Aceh (or subsequent earthquakes and tsunami in Padang and other parts of the island of Sumatra). To my (limited) knowledge, colonial-era records have for the most part been kept only at the national archives; regional government archives are mostly post-Independence (at best). The archives in the Netherlands (some references given below) are more extensive, and, since some of it is on-line, you can even do it from home. > In your particular case(s), if there was a birth, (legal) marriage, or death in a Dutch family, there should be some record of that, and it is more likely in the Netherlands than in Indonesia. > Good Luck! > Mark in Menteng > > > > On 28 Aug 2012, at 00:41 , indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Mary Young) > 2. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Peter) > 3. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Talia Pacheco) > 4. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > 5. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Fred van Veen) > 6. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > (Egan, Deonizia) > 7. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:46:39 -0400 > From: Mary Young <dal747@fuse.net> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <1698F6ED-EB55-4C72-8B35-BEBB47E91DDC@fuse.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >> From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> >> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi! >> >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> *************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:36:15 -0600 > From: Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <503B93EF.3030803@familyrecordfinder.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >> Hi! >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with > records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at > them at your local FHC. > > The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma > however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following > website for links to Indonesian online records. They are > mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. > Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. > http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to > "General and Overseas" > > Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they > died might shed light on their live in Indonesia > > -- > Groetjes > Peter > http://familyrecordfinder.com/ > > I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:55:25 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3D75E7A2-DA07-473E-BF2C-C38B766E7298@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thank you Mary! > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Mary Young <dal747@fuse.net> wrote: > >> I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >>> From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >>> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >>> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>> *************************************** >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:07:23 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: "peter@familyrecordfinder.com" <peter@familyrecordfinder.com>, > "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <92D60D23-7911-4B03-AB9E-EE57EB540083@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Peter! > > Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > >> On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >>> Hi! >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with >> records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at >> them at your local FHC. >> >> The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma >> however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following >> website for links to Indonesian online records. They are >> mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. >> Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. >> http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to >> "General and Overseas" >> >> Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they >> died might shed light on their live in Indonesia >> >> -- >> Groetjes >> Peter >> http://familyrecordfinder.com/ >> >> I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:06:24 +0200 > From: "Fred van Veen" <fred.van.veen@tiscali.nl> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BB368A78B51A49B796DFB4DA1327F8A7@GebruikerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death > in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indi?" The archive website is > www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. > > Best regards, Fred van Veen > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > Namens Talia Pacheco > Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 > Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com > Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > > Hi Peter! > > Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my > infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, > due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors > thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see > her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to > California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > >> On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >>> Hi! >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's > surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in > 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways > to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who > knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with >> records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at >> them at your local FHC. >> >> The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma >> however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following >> website for links to Indonesian online records. They are >> mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. >> Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. >> http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to >> "General and Overseas" >> >> Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they >> died might shed light on their live in Indonesia >> >> -- >> Groetjes >> Peter >> http://familyrecordfinder.com/ >> >> I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:38:42 -0700 > From: "Egan, Deonizia" <EganD@sutterhealth.org> > Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia > Pacheco) > To: "'indonesia@rootsweb.com'" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <62B84847CB93BA4FBE626D1B1D6D6E43013742E91AE1@DCBL105VX.root.sutterhealth.or g> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Name: Semi Gunthardt > SSN: 558-80-2419 > Last Residence: 90250 Hawthorne, Los Angeles, California, United States of America > Born: 2 Jul 1884 > Died: Mar 1984 > State (Year) SSN issued: California (1965) > -----Original Message----- > From: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of indonesia-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:00 AM > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Subject: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi! > > I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! > > So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: > > Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 > Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 > Richard Gunthardt > Stephan Gunthardt > Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > *************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:41:37 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E03EAA55-82B2-4E07-8AC4-3E648DF55CB6@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thank you Fred! I will definitely check it out! > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Fred van Veen" <fred.van.veen@tiscali.nl> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death >> in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indi?" The archive website is >> www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. >> >> Best regards, Fred van Veen >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> Namens Talia Pacheco >> Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 >> Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com >> Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >> >> Hi Peter! >> >> Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my >> infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, >> due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors >> thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see >> her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to >> California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. >> >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: >> >>> On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's >> surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in >> 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways >> to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who >> knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>>> Richard Gunthardt >>>> Stephan Gunthardt >>>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >>> >>> The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with >>> records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at >>> them at your local FHC. >>> >>> The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma >>> however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following >>> website for links to Indonesian online records. They are >>> mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. >>> Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. >>> http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to >>> "General and Overseas" >>> >>> Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they >>> died might shed light on their live in Indonesia >>> >>> -- >>> Groetjes >>> Peter >>> http://familyrecordfinder.com/ >>> >>> I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> Do you have a slow PC? 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Dear Mark (in Menteng), Thank you for your information. Because you are living in Menteng, I have another question for you: I am looking for more information about a cemetery near Menteng. My grandfather Johannes van Veen and grandmother Dina Houtkoop lived in the Palmenlaan (nowadays Jalan Suwiryo called),in the beginning of the 20th century. He was manager at Erdmann & Sielcke in Batavia and she was manager of the shop "Eigen Hulp" in the Molenvliet street. My grandmother Dina Houtkoop died very early at the age of 37 years, in the 20th may of 1920. My grandfather died in Holland in the Second World War. I have some unclear photos from her tombstone, and I am curious in which cemetery she was buried in 1920. Are there cemetery archives in Djakarta? Thank you, Fred van Veen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Prisma Verzonden: dinsdag 28 augustus 2012 2:11 Aan: indonesia@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 Regarding the state of archives in Indonesia, the national archives are located in Jakarta, on the island of Java, which was not affected by the 2005 tsunami off Aceh (or subsequent earthquakes and tsunami in Padang and other parts of the island of Sumatra). To my (limited) knowledge, colonial-era records have for the most part been kept only at the national archives; regional government archives are mostly post-Independence (at best). The archives in the Netherlands (some references given below) are more extensive, and, since some of it is on-line, you can even do it from home. In your particular case(s), if there was a birth, (legal) marriage, or death in a Dutch family, there should be some record of that, and it is more likely in the Netherlands than in Indonesia. Good Luck! Mark in Menteng On 28 Aug 2012, at 00:41 , indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Mary Young) 2. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Peter) 3. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Talia Pacheco) 4. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) 5. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Fred van Veen) 6. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) (Egan, Deonizia) 7. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:46:39 -0400 From: Mary Young <dal747@fuse.net> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 To: indonesia@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1698F6ED-EB55-4C72-8B35-BEBB47E91DDC@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi! > > I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! > > So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: > > Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 > Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 > Richard Gunthardt > Stephan Gunthardt > Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to > INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > *************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:36:15 -0600 From: Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: indonesia@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <503B93EF.3030803@familyrecordfinder.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: > Hi! > I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! > So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: > Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 > Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 > Richard Gunthardt > Stephan Gunthardt > Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at them at your local FHC. The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following website for links to Indonesian online records. They are mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to "General and Overseas" Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they died might shed light on their live in Indonesia -- Groetjes Peter http://familyrecordfinder.com/ I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:55:25 -0700 From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 To: "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3D75E7A2-DA07-473E-BF2C-C38B766E7298@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you Mary! On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Mary Young <dal747@fuse.net> wrote: > I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >> From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> >> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi! >> >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> *************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:07:23 -0700 From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: "peter@familyrecordfinder.com" <peter@familyrecordfinder.com>, "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <92D60D23-7911-4B03-AB9E-EE57EB540083@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Peter! Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >> Hi! >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with > records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at > them at your local FHC. > > The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma > however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following > website for links to Indonesian online records. They are > mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. > Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. > http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to > "General and Overseas" > > Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they > died might shed light on their live in Indonesia > > -- > Groetjes > Peter > http://familyrecordfinder.com/ > > I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:06:24 +0200 From: "Fred van Veen" <fred.van.veen@tiscali.nl> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BB368A78B51A49B796DFB4DA1327F8A7@GebruikerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indi?" The archive website is www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. Best regards, Fred van Veen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Talia Pacheco Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors Hi Peter! Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >> Hi! >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with > records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at > them at your local FHC. > > The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma > however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following > website for links to Indonesian online records. They are > mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. > Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. > http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to > "General and Overseas" > > Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they > died might shed light on their live in Indonesia > > -- > Groetjes > Peter > http://familyrecordfinder.com/ > > I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:38:42 -0700 From: "Egan, Deonizia" <EganD@sutterhealth.org> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) To: "'indonesia@rootsweb.com'" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <62B84847CB93BA4FBE626D1B1D6D6E43013742E91AE1@DCBL105VX.root.sutterhealth.or g> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Name: Semi Gunthardt SSN: 558-80-2419 Last Residence: 90250 Hawthorne, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Born: 2 Jul 1884 Died: Mar 1984 State (Year) SSN issued: California (1965) -----Original Message----- From: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of indonesia-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:00 AM To: indonesia@rootsweb.com Subject: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 Today's Topics: 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi! I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 Richard Gunthardt Stephan Gunthardt Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 ------------------------------ To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 *************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:41:37 -0700 From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E03EAA55-82B2-4E07-8AC4-3E648DF55CB6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thank you Fred! I will definitely check it out! On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Fred van Veen" <fred.van.veen@tiscali.nl> wrote: > Hi, > > Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death > in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indi?" The archive website is > www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. > > Best regards, Fred van Veen > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > Namens Talia Pacheco > Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 > Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com > Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > > Hi Peter! > > Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my > infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, > due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors > thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see > her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to > California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > >> On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >>> Hi! >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's > surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in > 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways > to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who > knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with >> records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at >> them at your local FHC. >> >> The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma >> however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following >> website for links to Indonesian online records. They are >> mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. >> Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. >> http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to >> "General and Overseas" >> >> Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they >> died might shed light on their live in Indonesia >> >> -- >> Groetjes >> Peter >> http://familyrecordfinder.com/ >> >> I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Sorry for the delay in the responses. My cousin went to Indonesia, and went to Jakarta and other places where my grandmother and aunt were born. They also went to where ever the records are kept. They are from Holland and have also been to the Hague and could not find anything to prove that my grandmother was born in Jakarta. I don't think they could even find marriage information. The family story of my grandmother - Elisabeth Lups's mother (I think her name was Elisabeth too) was a servant/slave to a Dutch man by the name of Cornelius Lups who was living in Jakarta. Cornelius was married and had children. His Dutch wife passed away. He ended up either marrying my great grandmother, or just having a child with her. I am not sure, and this was a sort of taboo subject for my grandmother to speak of even when she was more than 80 years old. My great grandmother died, and then later, Cornelius died. My Oma (Elisabeth Lups) was sent to live with her half brother. She was treated as a servant and made to sleep in a courtyard where she said she was bit by rats. She was removed from the home by some sort of social services group. I don't know the particulars after that, but she married a Dutch soldier with the last name of Looy (this is the Americanized version of the name I believe), had my aunt in Jakarta, and then while pregnant, the soldier abandoned her. She married my Opa who was! also a Dutch soldier. They moved back and forth between Holland and Indonesia until my mother was a small baby and they had to flee Indonesia during an uprising. They stayed in Holland until my mother was 14, and then moved to Indiana in the U.S. Family members have gone to Indonesia to try to find documentation of my grandmother's line, and they have searched the records at the Hague. They were trying to get my aunt some sort of settlement funds or something like that. My Oma is deceased and before anything happens to my mother, I would love to be able to get more information, but have never been able to get anyone to help us look. I cannot afford to pay anyone and what is worse is that I do not know the language (either Dutch or Indonesian). I feel like a part of our heritage is missing. I would just like to know how much truth there is to the family story. I would also like to know about her lines and hear what she really went through. On Aug 28, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Michael Pringle) > 2. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 (Prisma) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:09:49 +1200 > From: Michael Pringle <mikelpringle@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <503BD40C.1090509@xtra.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Can you tell us what places your cousins looked for records, Mary? > > Thanks > > Michael Pringle > > E: mikelpringle@gmail.com > > Blog: trailfinder.wordpress.com > > FB: http://facebook.com/michael.pringle2 > > Mob: 021 119 6714 > > > On 27/08/2012 11:46 p.m., Mary Young wrote: >> I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >>> From: Talia Pacheco<machetegrrl@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >>> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com"<INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID:<539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >>> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>> *************************************** >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.27, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20500) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 07:10:40 +0700 > From: Prisma <prismapr@prismapr.co.id> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <24AFC9B4-640D-4E10-B166-3ACF43FCA412@prismapr.co.id> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Regarding the state of archives in Indonesia, the national archives are located in Jakarta, on the island of Java, which was not affected by the 2005 tsunami off Aceh (or subsequent earthquakes and tsunami in Padang and other parts of the island of Sumatra). To my (limited) knowledge, colonial-era records have for the most part been kept only at the national archives; regional government archives are mostly post-Independence (at best). The archives in the Netherlands (some references given below) are more extensive, and, since some of it is on-line, you can even do it from home. > In your particular case(s), if there was a birth, (legal) marriage, or death in a Dutch family, there should be some record of that, and it is more likely in the Netherlands than in Indonesia. > Good Luck! > Mark in Menteng > > > > On 28 Aug 2012, at 00:41 , indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Mary Young) > 2. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Peter) > 3. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Talia Pacheco) > 4. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > 5. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Fred van Veen) > 6. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > (Egan, Deonizia) > 7. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:46:39 -0400 > From: Mary Young <dal747@fuse.net> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <1698F6ED-EB55-4C72-8B35-BEBB47E91DDC@fuse.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >> From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> >> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi! >> >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> *************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:36:15 -0600 > From: Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <503B93EF.3030803@familyrecordfinder.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >> Hi! >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with > records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at > them at your local FHC. > > The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma > however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following > website for links to Indonesian online records. They are > mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. > Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. > http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to > "General and Overseas" > > Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they > died might shed light on their live in Indonesia > > -- > Groetjes > Peter > http://familyrecordfinder.com/ > > I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:55:25 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > To: "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <3D75E7A2-DA07-473E-BF2C-C38B766E7298@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thank you Mary! > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Mary Young <dal747@fuse.net> wrote: > >> I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >>> From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >>> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >>> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >>> *************************************** >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:07:23 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: "peter@familyrecordfinder.com" <peter@familyrecordfinder.com>, > "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <92D60D23-7911-4B03-AB9E-EE57EB540083@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Peter! > > Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > >> On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >>> Hi! >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with >> records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at >> them at your local FHC. >> >> The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma >> however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following >> website for links to Indonesian online records. They are >> mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. >> Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. >> http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to >> "General and Overseas" >> >> Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they >> died might shed light on their live in Indonesia >> >> -- >> Groetjes >> Peter >> http://familyrecordfinder.com/ >> >> I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:06:24 +0200 > From: "Fred van Veen" <fred.van.veen@tiscali.nl> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BB368A78B51A49B796DFB4DA1327F8A7@GebruikerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death > in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indi?" The archive website is > www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. > > Best regards, Fred van Veen > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > Namens Talia Pacheco > Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 > Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com > Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > > Hi Peter! > > Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my > infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, > due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors > thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see > her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to > California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > >> On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >>> Hi! >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's > surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in > 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways > to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who > knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with >> records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at >> them at your local FHC. >> >> The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma >> however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following >> website for links to Indonesian online records. They are >> mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. >> Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. >> http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to >> "General and Overseas" >> >> Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they >> died might shed light on their live in Indonesia >> >> -- >> Groetjes >> Peter >> http://familyrecordfinder.com/ >> >> I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:38:42 -0700 > From: "Egan, Deonizia" <EganD@sutterhealth.org> > Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia > Pacheco) > To: "'indonesia@rootsweb.com'" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <62B84847CB93BA4FBE626D1B1D6D6E43013742E91AE1@DCBL105VX.root.sutterhealth.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Name: Semi Gunthardt > SSN: 558-80-2419 > Last Residence: 90250 Hawthorne, Los Angeles, California, United States of America > Born: 2 Jul 1884 > Died: Mar 1984 > State (Year) SSN issued: California (1965) > -----Original Message----- > From: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of indonesia-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:00 AM > To: indonesia@rootsweb.com > Subject: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi! > > I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! > > So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: > > Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 > Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 > Richard Gunthardt > Stephan Gunthardt > Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > *************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:41:37 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E03EAA55-82B2-4E07-8AC4-3E648DF55CB6@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thank you Fred! I will definitely check it out! > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Fred van Veen" <fred.van.veen@tiscali.nl> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death >> in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indi?" The archive website is >> www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. >> >> Best regards, Fred van Veen >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> Namens Talia Pacheco >> Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 >> Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com >> Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >> >> Hi Peter! >> >> Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my >> infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, >> due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors >> thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see >> her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to >> California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. >> >> >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: >> >>> On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's >> surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in >> 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways >> to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who >> knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>>> Richard Gunthardt >>>> Stephan Gunthardt >>>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >>> >>> The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with >>> records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at >>> them at your local FHC. >>> >>> The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma >>> however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following >>> website for links to Indonesian online records. They are >>> mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. >>> Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. >>> http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to >>> "General and Overseas" >>> >>> Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they >>> died might shed light on their live in Indonesia >>> >>> -- >>> Groetjes >>> Peter >>> http://familyrecordfinder.com/ >>> >>> I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> Do you have a slow PC? 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On 28-Aug-2012 07:49 AM, Mary Young wrote: > Sorry for the delay in the responses. My cousin went to Indonesia, and went to Jakarta and other places where my grandmother and aunt were born. They also went to where ever the records are kept. They are from Holland and have also been to the Hague and could not find anything to prove that my grandmother was born in Jakarta. I don't think they could even find marriage information. > > The family story of my grandmother - > Elisabeth Lups's mother (I think her name was Elisabeth too) was a servant/slave to a Dutch man by the name of Cornelius Lups who was living in Jakarta. Cornelius was married and had children. His Dutch wife passed away. He ended up either marrying my great grandmother, or just having a child with her. I am not sure, and this was a sort of taboo subject for my grandmother to speak of even when she was more than 80 years old. My great grandmother died, and then later, Cornelius died. My Oma (Elisabeth Lups) was sent to live with her half brother. She was treated as a servant and made to sleep in a courtyard where she said she was bit by rats. She was removed from the home by some sort of social services group. I don't know the particulars after that, but she married a Dutch soldier with the last name of Looy (this is the Americanized version of the name I believe), had my aunt in Jakarta, and then while pregnant, the soldier abandoned her. She married my Opa who was! > also a Dutch soldier. They moved back and forth between Holland and Indonesia until my mother was a small baby and they had to flee Indonesia during an uprising. They stayed in Holland until my mother was 14, and then moved to Indiana in the U.S. > > Family members have gone to Indonesia to try to find documentation of my grandmother's line, and they have searched the records at the Hague. They were trying to get my aunt some sort of settlement funds or something like that. My Oma is deceased and before anything happens to my mother, I would love to be able to get more information, but have never been able to get anyone to help us look. I cannot afford to pay anyone and what is worse is that I do not know the language (either Dutch or Indonesian). I feel like a part of our heritage is missing. I would just like to know how much truth there is to the family story. I would also like to know about her lines and hear what she really went through. > > Hi Mary and Talia, Here are some links to records from Nederlanders who lived in Indonesia. Beside civil records you might try searching newspapers because it was common for people working in Indonesia and other colonies to place advertisements in the National or local papers when someone was born/engaged/married/retired or died. These adverts could have important clues. Dutch citizens still had to register any vital event with the Dutch authorities. If they did, (and yes that did not always happen) you will find them listed in the city where the consulate was. Not necessarily the same city where the people were living. If you know of anyone who died in the Netherlands after 1937 you might want to apply for a *Personal Record Card or Personal Record List.* Sorry some of these websites have English language interfaces but not all. Please post here if you do need help with translations. Met vriendelijke groeten, Peter http://www.roosjeroos.nl/Zoekhulp https://sites.google.com/site/sumatraswestkust/ A lot of Dutch/Indonesian civil records have been microfilmed and are available through your local FHC; https://familysearch.org/search/search/library_catalog#searchType=catalog&filtered=true&fed=false&collectionId=&catSearchType=place&searchCriteria=&placeName=Indonesia&author_givenName=&author_surname= Newspaper adverts; http://www.cbg.nl/ http://kranten.kb.nl/ *Personal Record Cards and Personal Record Lists* http://194.171.109.12/page/280/research -- Groetjes Peter http://familyrecordfinder.com/ I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling

Can you tell us what places your cousins looked for records, Mary? Thanks Michael Pringle E: mikelpringle@gmail.com Blog: trailfinder.wordpress.com FB: http://facebook.com/michael.pringle2 Mob: 021 119 6714 On 27/08/2012 11:46 p.m., Mary Young wrote: > I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >> From: Talia Pacheco<machetegrrl@gmail.com> >> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com"<INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID:<539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi! >> >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> *************************************** >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.27, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20500) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > >

Regarding the state of archives in Indonesia, the national archives are located in Jakarta, on the island of Java, which was not affected by the 2005 tsunami off Aceh (or subsequent earthquakes and tsunami in Padang and other parts of the island of Sumatra). To my (limited) knowledge, colonial-era records have for the most part been kept only at the national archives; regional government archives are mostly post-Independence (at best). The archives in the Netherlands (some references given below) are more extensive, and, since some of it is on-line, you can even do it from home. In your particular case(s), if there was a birth, (legal) marriage, or death in a Dutch family, there should be some record of that, and it is more likely in the Netherlands than in Indonesia. Good Luck! Mark in Menteng On 28 Aug 2012, at 00:41 , indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Mary Young) 2. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Peter) 3. Re: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 (Talia Pacheco) 4. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) 5. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Fred van Veen) 6. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) (Egan, Deonizia) 7. Re: Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:46:39 -0400 From: Mary Young <dal747@fuse.net> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 To: indonesia@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1698F6ED-EB55-4C72-8B35-BEBB47E91DDC@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi! > > I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! > > So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: > > Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 > Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 > Richard Gunthardt > Stephan Gunthardt > Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to > INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > *************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:36:15 -0600 From: Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: indonesia@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <503B93EF.3030803@familyrecordfinder.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: > Hi! > I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! > So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: > Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 > Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 > Richard Gunthardt > Stephan Gunthardt > Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at them at your local FHC. The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following website for links to Indonesian online records. They are mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to "General and Overseas" Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they died might shed light on their live in Indonesia -- Groetjes Peter http://familyrecordfinder.com/ I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:55:25 -0700 From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 To: "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3D75E7A2-DA07-473E-BF2C-C38B766E7298@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you Mary! On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Mary Young <dal747@fuse.net> wrote: > I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >> From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> >> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi! >> >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> *************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:07:23 -0700 From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: "peter@familyrecordfinder.com" <peter@familyrecordfinder.com>, "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <92D60D23-7911-4B03-AB9E-EE57EB540083@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Peter! Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >> Hi! >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with > records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at > them at your local FHC. > > The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma > however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following > website for links to Indonesian online records. They are > mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. > Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. > http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to > "General and Overseas" > > Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they > died might shed light on their live in Indonesia > > -- > Groetjes > Peter > http://familyrecordfinder.com/ > > I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:06:24 +0200 From: "Fred van Veen" <fred.van.veen@tiscali.nl> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BB368A78B51A49B796DFB4DA1327F8A7@GebruikerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indi?" The archive website is www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. Best regards, Fred van Veen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Talia Pacheco Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors Hi Peter! Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >> Hi! >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with > records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at > them at your local FHC. > > The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma > however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following > website for links to Indonesian online records. They are > mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. > Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. > http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to > "General and Overseas" > > Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they > died might shed light on their live in Indonesia > > -- > Groetjes > Peter > http://familyrecordfinder.com/ > > I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:38:42 -0700 From: "Egan, Deonizia" <EganD@sutterhealth.org> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) To: "'indonesia@rootsweb.com'" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <62B84847CB93BA4FBE626D1B1D6D6E43013742E91AE1@DCBL105VX.root.sutterhealth.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Name: Semi Gunthardt SSN: 558-80-2419 Last Residence: 90250 Hawthorne, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Born: 2 Jul 1884 Died: Mar 1984 State (Year) SSN issued: California (1965) -----Original Message----- From: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of indonesia-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:00 AM To: indonesia@rootsweb.com Subject: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 Today's Topics: 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi! I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 Richard Gunthardt Stephan Gunthardt Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 ------------------------------ To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 *************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:41:37 -0700 From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: "indonesia@rootsweb.com" <indonesia@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E03EAA55-82B2-4E07-8AC4-3E648DF55CB6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thank you Fred! I will definitely check it out! On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Fred van Veen" <fred.van.veen@tiscali.nl> wrote: > Hi, > > Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death > in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indi?" The archive website is > www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. > > Best regards, Fred van Veen > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > Namens Talia Pacheco > Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 > Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com > Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > > Hi Peter! > > Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my > infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, > due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors > thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see > her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to > California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > >> On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >>> Hi! >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's > surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in > 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways > to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who > knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with >> records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at >> them at your local FHC. >> >> The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma >> however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following >> website for links to Indonesian online records. They are >> mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. >> Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. >> http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to >> "General and Overseas" >> >> Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they >> died might shed light on their live in Indonesia >> >> -- >> Groetjes >> Peter >> http://familyrecordfinder.com/ >> >> I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? 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Hi, Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indië" The archive website is www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. Best regards, Fred van Veen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens Talia Pacheco Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors Hi Peter! Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >> Hi! >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with > records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at > them at your local FHC. > > The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma > however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following > website for links to Indonesian online records. They are > mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. > Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. > http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to > "General and Overseas" > > Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they > died might shed light on their live in Indonesia > > -- > Groetjes > Peter > http://familyrecordfinder.com/ > > I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

Thank you Fred! I will definitely check it out! On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Fred van Veen" <fred.van.veen@tiscali.nl> wrote: > Hi, > > Sometimes you can find information about birth day, marriage day and death > in the "Regeringsalmanak voor Nederlands Indië" The archive website is > www.cbg.nl. You can put your question there. > > Best regards, Fred van Veen > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > Namens Talia Pacheco > Verzonden: maandag 27 augustus 2012 18:07 > Aan: peter@familyrecordfinder.com; indonesia@rootsweb.com > Onderwerp: Re: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > > Hi Peter! > > Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my > infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, > due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors > thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see > her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to > California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. > > > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > >> On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >>> Hi! >>> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's > surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in > 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways > to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who > knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >>> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >>> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >>> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >>> Richard Gunthardt >>> Stephan Gunthardt >>> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with >> records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at >> them at your local FHC. >> >> The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma >> however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following >> website for links to Indonesian online records. They are >> mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. >> Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. >> http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to >> "General and Overseas" >> >> Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they >> died might shed light on their live in Indonesia >> >> -- >> Groetjes >> Peter >> http://familyrecordfinder.com/ >> >> I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Name: Semi Gunthardt SSN: 558-80-2419 Last Residence: 90250 Hawthorne, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Born: 2 Jul 1884 Died: Mar 1984 State (Year) SSN issued: California (1965) -----Original Message----- From: indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indonesia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of indonesia-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:00 AM To: indonesia@rootsweb.com Subject: INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 Today's Topics: 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi! I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 Richard Gunthardt Stephan Gunthardt Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 ------------------------------ To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 ***************************************

On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: > Hi! > I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! > So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: > Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 > Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 > Richard Gunthardt > Stephan Gunthardt > Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at them at your local FHC. The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following website for links to Indonesian online records. They are mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to "General and Overseas" Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they died might shed light on their live in Indonesia -- Groetjes Peter http://familyrecordfinder.com/ I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling

Hi Peter! Thank you for the info! Yes, my grandparents returned to Holland with my infant mother for a few years. While there, they had my aunt also. However, due to the weather in Holland, my mother was a sickly child and the doctors thought if she didn't move somewhere with a warmer climate, she wouldn't see her fifth birthday. So they were sponsored by a church and brought to California to start life anew. My grandfather became a US citizen in 1966. On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Peter <peter@familyrecordfinder.com> wrote: > On 26-Aug-2012 07:13 PM, Talia Pacheco wrote: >> Hi! >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > The film catalog on familysearch.org has a bunch of films with > records from Indonesia. You can rent those films and look at > them at your local FHC. > > The above name Gunthardt "sounds" very German, Brantsma > however could be from the Netherlands. Try the following > website for links to Indonesian online records. They are > mostly about people from the Netherlands, but you never know. > Remember to be creative with the lastname spelling. > http://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html and go to > "General and Overseas" > > Did they return to Europe? Other records from where ever they > died might shed light on their live in Indonesia > > -- > Groetjes > Peter > http://familyrecordfinder.com/ > > I am not 50 something, I'm 49.95 plus shipping and handling > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Mary! On Aug 27, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Mary Young <dal747@fuse.net> wrote: > I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 >> From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> >> Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors >> To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi! >> >> I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! >> >> So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: >> >> Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 >> Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 >> Richard Gunthardt >> Stephan Gunthardt >> Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to >> INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 >> *************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been searching for my Oma's family as well, but her maiden name was Lups. I have been told that ever since the last tsunami or the previous one, that it will be impossible to find records anymore. I don't know how true this is, but I have had cousins travel to Java in search of records before the really bad tsunami, and they never could find her records. If your Oma was Dutch Indonesian, you can try the Hague for some records. Good luck! ~ Mary On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, indonesia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Looking for my Indonesian ancestors (Talia Pacheco) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:13:11 -0700 > From: Talia Pacheco <machetegrrl@gmail.com> > Subject: [INDONESIA] Looking for my Indonesian ancestors > To: "INDONESIA@rootsweb.com" <INDONESIA@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <539FF979-45C2-42C7-9DAD-F12CCA6BE76A@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi! > > I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! > > So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: > > Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 > Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 > Richard Gunthardt > Stephan Gunthardt > Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the INDONESIA list administrator, send an email to > INDONESIA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the INDONESIA mailing list, send an email to INDONESIA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDONESIA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of INDONESIA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 2 > ***************************************

Hi! I am currently researching my Oma's side of the family. Her father's surname was Gunthardt. Her mother was Semi Karto. We believe she was born in 1884. They lived in Java, Surabaya I think. I don't know if there are ways to research my Omu's ancestry due to record keeping in the 1880's but who knows! Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!! So I am looking for relatives/ancestors/decendents of: Semi Karto (Gunthardt) 1884 - 1984 Laurine Gunthardt (Brantsma) b. 1931 Richard Gunthardt Stephan Gunthardt Irlich Gerard Gunthardt 1928 - 1996

Ik ben op zoek naar verdere info voor Cornelis Sinkelaar, gouverneur Macassar(1760-1767). Wil graag weten met wie hij getrouwd was, behalve Susanna Wannemaker. Fredrik Samuellsz had een dochter Johanna, die geboren werd in Makassar in 1737.Graag nadere inlichtingen betreffende de moeder en de juiste geboortedatum.Johanna was getrouwd met Cornelis Sinkelaar.Wanneer?Waar? Zij hadden een zoon Simon. Anthonie Baars- met wie getrouwd? Had twee dochters: Johanna Aletta, geboren in Batavis in 1754, Graag een complete datum en zuster Maria Anthonia. Graag alle info.

Searching for Family & Siblings of Louis Eugene Fisser (KNIL Rank: Ls Sld) b: Aug 25, 1903 Batavia, Indonesia d: Nov 29, 1943 in ocean Lambertus Jean Lodewijk Bax (KNIL Rank: Ls.Sgt Ekl.) b: Jan 7, 1905 Sindjai, Indonesia d: Dec 24,1942 in Japan   Thank you

Good morning from Australia I am searching for information on a child that is said to have been born at sea and registered as Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia. His name was ERNEST ALBERT CHESSELL (or one of many variant spellings). Ernest married in Australia in 1885. Parents listed on his marriage certificate are GEORGE CHESSELL and EMILY SANDERS. Can anyone give me ideas how I can confirm if this family was in Indonesia. George was supposedly a seacaptain. Possible that the parents were not married as Ernest changed his families surname to Sanders in 1909. Regards Lyn Baker

*Apologies for Cross/Re-Posting* Hello! Professor Wendy Roth in the Department of Sociology at the University of British Columbia is doing a research study on the social impacts of DNA ancestry testing -- especially whether it has any effect on identities and attitudes. This may have already been posted to this list, as some members of this group have graciously assisted with this study. We are still looking for participants, especially people with any Native American, Black, Hispanic, or Asian roots. We're looking to talk with people with a wide range of experiences to DNA ancestry testing, so we'd be very interested in learning about your experiences regardless of whether the test results had much influence on you or not. If you have taken a DNA ancestry test and would be willing to help with this project, would you fill out a quick online survey at: http://faculty.arts.ubc.ca/wroth/SurveyIntro.html It should only take you about 10-15 minutes. It focuses on why you chose to take the test, your background, your experience with genetic genealogy testing, and how the results may have affected you. You can fill out the survey anonymously, or if you are interested in talking more about these the social impacts of DNA ancestry testing, you can choose to be contacted for a follow-up interview as well. These interviews are done over the phone and are confidential. If you would like to be contacted for a follow-up interview, you can enter your contact information at the end of the survey. But regardless of whether you are interested in the follow-up interview, I hope you will complete the quick online survey. Thank you very much for considering this. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Prof. Wendy Roth at wroth@interchange.ubc.ca or at (604) 822-4845. You can also contact Natasia Wright, Research Assistant on this project, at natasia.social.impacts@gmail.com.

Stephen CERONIO left Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1793. At least that is what is claimed. He supposedly left for Batavia, E.I. - apparently now Jakarta. Now I do see two of his sons in the earliest part of the 1800's in India. One of them, a ship's captain, James CERONIO, traded with Fiji, New Zealand, and Australia. In fact, he gave birth illegitimately to two children by Elizabeth BECKFORD, a convict's daughter. She went to India with them, and the children remained there. Elizabeth remarried twice, and died in England. Are there genealogical databases for Indonesia that are readily accessible? I have no money to pursue genealogy, whatsoever, I am afraid to have to admit. Stephen CERONIO was of Italian birth, Giuseppe being his father. Giuseppe was an American sympathizer at the time of the Revolutionary War, and Stephen and Angelo joined the war effort, finishing that in 1784. Stephen returned to Philadelphia, but no one yet knows where Angelo went. Perhaps Mississippi... I am hoping someone can see just *something* that indicates Stephen made it to Indonesia. Thanks, Vince Summers

Hello, Has anyone taken a genetic genealogy test? If you have, would you be willing to help me with a study of genetic genealogy testing? I teach sociology at the University of British Columbia and I'm very interested in the experiences of people who have taken DNA ancestry tests, especially if the results have an effect on people's lives or identities. I'm hosting an online survey – you can complete it anonymously and it should only take about 10-15 minutes. You can complete it here: http://faculty.arts.ubc.ca/wroth/SurveyIntro.html Thank you so much. If you know of other people who've taken genetic genealogy tests, would you also pass this along? Wendy