Indices are the plural of Index.

Teddy, Boy you guys sure do make it sound hard to learn the ropes. That is exactly what I am going thru right now. My Galey / Galen TURNER ended up being a F.E TURNER on his death certificate and on his marriage license an F. A. TURNER. Then the fun is finding out what the F stands for which I think it is Fielding if I found the right census, then finding what the middle E or A. stand for. Really Teddy, I need some detective lessons here. LOL God Bless Pam

Carleen, Read your email about these tips. Sounds like taking the blinder off to me. That is what I have a hard time doing but am learning. Some of you might find this silly but I want to know what do you mean when you say Indices? God Bless Pam

Carleen, In your example you used the name BASSHAM. Is this surname in your line? Particularly in Chicago, Illinois around 1907. Looking for info on Rosell Scott BASSHAM. By the way, thanks for reminding me of the p and f in place of the double s. When researching, it is easy to forget all the ways names can be twisted around! Jane

It's plural for index. [email protected] wrote: > > Some of you might find this silly but I want to know what do you mean when > you say Indices? > > God Bless > Pam > > ===

This probably is well known to you Indiana residents -- but I was raised in another state. Like all of us, I'm accustomed to postal codes -- for example -- "IA" means Iowa. NO??? -- not always. In the 1850 Indiana census, at least one census taker listed place of birth for most children as "IA." I puzzled over that for sometime, wondering how it was possible that all those indiana residents were going to IOWA in 1850 to have their children. An embarrassing amount of time later the light dawned and I realized that in those days, "IA" was this man's abbreviation for INDIANA instead of "IND" as seems to have been more common. jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [INDIANA] Census Tips > Jane, > You are absolutely correct in everything you said. After reading census > records for years, I can tell you that it is a wonder sometimes that we find > them at all using indices. > > I will add these off the top of my head: > > *Some are listed by Middle names only! > *Double S, will look like a P or an F. (Bassham=Bapham, i.e.) > * The letters S and L are confused very often > *Some are listed by initials BUT REVERSED > *When a father is dead, and there is a son above legal age, HE will can be > listed as Head of Household, NOT his Mother. > * I have found the whole name reversed, i.e., Basham Williams, instead of > William Basham > * People with other than the HH's name will be listed under his name > * NEVER take birthplaces for granted, they are one of the most made mistakes, > after ages. > > If you feel they should be there, it may be best, in the end, to go to the > library and read the film all the way through. We did not start out with ANY > indices, so that is the way we did it in the "olden days." > I know I will think of more, but just know there are as many mistakes as you > can think of in the Indices, so beware and don't give up. > > Good idea you had, Jane, > Carleen > > > ==== INDIANA Mailing List ==== > To remove yourself from the list, type: > unsubscribe > in the first line of the message - NOTHING ELSE. > Send it to: > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Barb Thanks for sending the collage idea. You should send it to Ancestry.com "tips" I think it will make an interesting addition to our family history. Jerrie

Yes, my Hannibal was once put as Hamilton, others are H. A., on his death certificate it was Hamibal, and just because of the single n I couldn't find him on the death certificate page for KY and went thru all Bruner surnames until I found him. Then on Margaret Ann it said Margaret E. I also have one born in, IN the 1880, but the other census information was born KY. The funny thing is they did have a child in IN according to a death certificate he was born in 1843, and then in the 1850 census the wife is alone, so don't know where the father was, or if and when he died. But just by writing this I have another census to look up the 1840 one to see if they were in, IN in that census. Yes, I have done the search the whole microfilm because they were not in the index, and found my Brady misspelled, Beady, the r looked like a e to the one who did the index. So just because you can't find them in an index or CD doesn't mean they are not there, just get to work and do it the old way if you have to. Teddy List Mom for the Grayson Co. KY, Fulkerson, Vertrees, and the Ford List

Mary, I tried to find your marriage record for you on Ancestry. I used wildcards, because I think both names are prone to mispelling. I used them as you had them too. I came across this one, that COULD be them. If someone mistaking the K or an R. It says "Marriage record", but has that "birthdate" there??? Tell me where they moved to after Indiana, and I will find them on the 1880 soundex. That way you will know his name for sure. I found many different ways to spell "Scudder". Carleen Marion County, Indiana Index to Marriage Record 1861 - 1865 Inclusive Volume 4 Letters A - Z Inclusive Original Record Located: County Clerk's Office Indianapolis Compiled by Indiana Works Progress Administration 1939 County: Marion Name: William Scudder Spouse: Caroline Reese Marriage Date: 07 Feb 1865 Birth Date: 8 Book: 587

Jane, You are absolutely correct in everything you said. After reading census records for years, I can tell you that it is a wonder sometimes that we find them at all using indices. I will add these off the top of my head: *Some are listed by Middle names only! *Double S, will look like a P or an F. (Bassham=Bapham, i.e.) * The letters S and L are confused very often *Some are listed by initials BUT REVERSED *When a father is dead, and there is a son above legal age, HE will can be listed as Head of Household, NOT his Mother. * I have found the whole name reversed, i.e., Basham Williams, instead of William Basham * People with other than the HH's name will be listed under his name * NEVER take birthplaces for granted, they are one of the most made mistakes, after ages. If you feel they should be there, it may be best, in the end, to go to the library and read the film all the way through. We did not start out with ANY indices, so that is the way we did it in the "olden days." I know I will think of more, but just know there are as many mistakes as you can think of in the Indices, so beware and don't give up. Good idea you had, Jane, Carleen

If you are relying on an index to find your ancestor, you sometimes have to be very creative in your thinking. I have an immigrant family that appears in 4 census years. The only year that the name was spelled correctly was in 1930. The correct surname began with a T. In 1920, the first letter was an S (Never found it on an index search), 1910 an F, 1900 an M. The whole name was spelled a variety of different ways. In this case, a soundex search didn't work. The only way I was able to find the family was viewing the images for the whole county. The only correct first name was the head of the family, the rest had "American" first names (as did almost all the immigrants listed in that particular ED). Since the family did not speak English very well and the census taker was not of their nationality, it is not hard to figure out why there were errors. In viewing census images, I have seen Dr. before the Surname, before the first name and also after the middle initial. Names have been reversed, middle initials appear directly after the Surname, and sometimes there is no first name listed. I have also seen Mr. or Mrs. listed as the first name. Double letters aren't always listed, or they use other ways or symbols to list the double letter. Sometimes letters are left out, which could change the soundex code Two female ancestors didn't go by their given names. Barbara went by Ella and Mary went by Emma. No they were not their middle names. My mother went by her middle name for 45 years, then switched to her first name. One male ancestor kept switching from name to initials, another went by a nickname (Bud) that had nothing to do with his first or middle name. Why Bud? There were 15 men with the first name of James in this particular family. At the time Bud was living 5 other James were also. The others went by Jim, Jimmy, middle names or initials. I didn't mean for this to go on so long, but I have run across alot of different things. Thought I would pass this along for the people that are having problems searching. As I said at the beginning, be creative in searching the indexes. Hope this may help someone in their research. Jane

I am looking for a marriage license in Indiana for Caroline Keesee and a man named Scudder. I checked my Indiana Marriages CD and was unable to find one. Their daughter Elnora was born in 1870 somewhere in Indiana. Thank you for assistance. Mary Gardner

Recently saw a very interesting collage. Someone scanned in a map of where their ancestor lived and used it as a watermark. Then, on top of it, they created a collage of photos of this man taken at various stages of his life, from childhood to adulthood. It really looked great and gave me some interesting ideas. I use the Gen Web Pages a lot. Most counties have some great resources, including maps. From the Decatur CO page, I located a map of the township my ancestors lived in. I couldn't copy the map, but it can be printed out and scanned and then the image can be copied and used for a watermark. Jesse Drake (my 4th great grandfather) and his sons, John, Benjamin, Dillard and Jesse's son-in-law Wm. Ross all owned land in Decatur CO. >From the BLM site, I got the description of that site. Using the map and the description it was easy to locate and understand where this land was at and how close they lived to each other. Now I can use that map as a watermark and type the description below : E1/2SW Section 19, Twp. 11-N, Range 10-E. I can copy and paste a family group sheet to the back of this and add it to Jesse's file. Just thought that some of you might want to try this for yourselves. Also, the BLM site offers a glossary of terms used on the land documents. It might be a good idea to copy them and keep them with the document. Barb Marshall

Since Kentucky is very close and ancestors traveled between the two states (I even have Kentuckiana links on there), I thought I'd let you all know that today I finished the Kentucky genealogy resource page now too. http://khuish.tripod.com/kentucky.htm Kathy PS. see also http://khuish.tripod.com/indiana.htm

I'm in Noblesville :o) Pam

To Barb, No I haven't been in touch with Ruth Hoggatt, not that I know of anyway. How can I reach her? Thank you so much for this tip! I do appreciate it! Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Marshall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [INDIANA] Wayne County, Indiana > Carolyn, have you been in touch with Ruth Hoggatt who does the Jefferson > CO Gen web page? She has an awful lot of info on that family. > > Barb > > Carole Eve wrote: > > > > Thanks for the lookup offer Tim. I need information on the Hoggett/Hoggatt > > family in IN. My gg grandfather was born there ca 1822. His name was > > Phillip Hoggett. Phillip was in IL by 1844 where he married. The 1850 > > census listed his father as born in NC and his mother in IN. > > > > Sure hope you have some info on Phillip's parents. > > > > Thanks again, > > Carolyn > > ----- > > > ==== INDIANA Mailing List ==== > To remove yourself from the list, type: > unsubscribe > in the first line of the message - NOTHING ELSE. > Send it to: > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks for the lookup offer Tim. I need information on the Hoggett/Hoggatt family in IN. My gg grandfather was born there ca 1822. His name was Phillip Hoggett. Phillip was in IL by 1844 where he married. The 1850 census listed his father as born in NC and his mother in IN. Sure hope you have some info on Phillip's parents. Thanks again, Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim and Sabrina" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: [INDIANA] Wayne County, Indiana > Yes, I live in Wayne County and I would be willing to do some limited research for another researcher. I have a couple of Wayne County history books that I could do a lookup for someone pretty easily. I am pretty busy, so anything else, I might not be able to do or it might take me a while. You can ask me and I will try to help if possible. > Tim > [email protected] > > > ==== INDIANA Mailing List ==== > Firstmom's Genealogy Resources - Indiana > http://khuish.tripod.com/indiana.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Go to the Jefferson CO Gen Web Page : http://www.myindianahome.net/gen/jeff/ or contact her personnaly at: [email protected] Barb Marshall List Mom Barb Carole Eve wrote: > > To Barb, > No I haven't been in touch with Ruth Hoggatt, not that I know of anyway. > How can I reach her? > > Thank you so much for this tip! I do appreciate it! > > Carolyn > > -----

I was told that the Wayne County Library had a book on one of the family that I've been researching, but it wasn't on Library Loan. I've been researching the CHEWNING / CHEUNING family. Can you tell me if you've seen this. If you're not a Chewning, doubt if you've seen it. It was published many years ago. I don't even remember the Author's name. I'm thinking the book was written around 1957. If anyone on the list knows of this book, & has time; will you check out these names John & Phebe McDowell Chewning. They had 5 children. They were both born in VA. 1833-1839 they were still there in 1880, but came west, ended in Kansas during the 80's. Any help will be appreciated. Margaret

Carolyn, have you been in touch with Ruth Hoggatt who does the Jefferson CO Gen web page? She has an awful lot of info on that family. Barb Carole Eve wrote: > > Thanks for the lookup offer Tim. I need information on the Hoggett/Hoggatt > family in IN. My gg grandfather was born there ca 1822. His name was > Phillip Hoggett. Phillip was in IL by 1844 where he married. The 1850 > census listed his father as born in NC and his mother in IN. > > Sure hope you have some info on Phillip's parents. > > Thanks again, > Carolyn > -----