In a message dated 6/8/99 9:45:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Indian-Territory-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Welp, we've sure beat this to death. Its doubtful that anyone's mind has been changed one way or the other, so why don't we just move on. >> LOL, Yup, New Subject Hi all, I'm not going to comment on the racial heritage of either of these lines for fear of starting yet another discussion on that subject, except to say that I have an intense curiosity to know the stories of these family members whatever their nationality..... I'd really love to hear from anyone who might have information on J.N. "Newt" Rice, who was a rancher/farmer/sometimes lawman? in IT. Newt came to IT sometime around the end of the 1880s, rode the length of the Chisholm trail at least twice befor marrying Josephine Kyle in Texas and moving to IT. His children were born in Old Cornish (births between 1895-1908). Newt's daughter, Bonnie, received mail addressed to her simply as Bonnie Rice, Indian Territory! Newt was foreman for Bill Washington's ranch in both Oklahoma and also (for a time) in what would become Carlsbad, New Mexico. I'm also searching for Martin F. Rogers, his wife Lizzy Unknownmaidenname, their three sons Alfred b. 1904, Walter b. 1897and Wallace Madison Rogers b. 1893. Martin's father was born in Texas abt. 1845ish, his mother was from Ky abt. the same time, Martin was b. 1870 (+/- 1) in Ky, Lizzy b. 1868 (+/- 1) Ky, according to 1910 census. Lizzy's parents both were from Ky and two of the three boys were born in Ky, while Alfred was b. in Tx. They were in and out of IT several times, finally settling in Cache Co. after statehood. Bonnie