I am sorry I started all this, I guess I should have asked anyone to answer me privately....excuse me please, for starting all this hostility. But then as usual I wasn't thinking.....it was a legitimate question and it was asked with honesty and not to cause anything controversial. Please don't continue this on the mailing list, and if you want you ball me out for asking the question in the first place, do it privately so no one will have to be overwhelmed with a continuation of this when they are working on genealogy. Again thanks to those who answered my question. Won't ask anything else like this again....will just watch.... promise! bob