Kathy, By a card I presume you might mean a Card giving Blood Quantum however jut a card would be of no use to anyone. Before you wrote to anyone-what kind of a card and who issued the card. It could just be a Membership Card of some kind. Where did he live? Is there a death certificate? Where is he buried? Do you think the card might have something to do with an Indian Tribe? There are 37 (I think)? Indian Tribes in Oklahoma alone.If you can answer some of these questions I might be able to help you. Oleta On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 6:29:27 -0500 <repete58@alltel.net> writes: > Oleta, > I see from your responses that you are very knowledgeable. I wanted > to ask you a question if might. My gradfather was William Thomas > HENSLEY, his father was Charley HENSLEY, his mother was a JONES,she > was Della Jane JONES. Her father was Thomas Jefferson SILCOX/JONES. > My gradmother was Ruby Dell BLANKENSHIP, her father was James A. > BLANKENSHIP, his father was Isham BLANKENSHIP. I am told that my > grandfather had a card but he and his wife divorced years before his > death and we are not able to find a copy of it. My question is > where could I write to get a copy, or inquire about a copy? > > I would be very grateful for any help you might give. > Thank you, > Kathy > > > > From: J W Kite Jr <obengekite@juno.com> > > Date: 2006/09/29 Fri PM 07:50:16 CDT > > To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > > > > Dear James, No you did not offend me at all. There were many > Cherokees > > who did not enroll because they thought it was just another thing > our > > dear Gov't. set up to finish stealing them blind. You know James > ,my > > Grandfather owned land on the Mountain, his marriage or papers > stated he > > was a white man married to a Cherokee-anyway this day there was a > knock > > on the door and it was the jerks teling him he had to leave. His > answer > > was I'm not going anywhere-I own this property and have papers to > prove > > it. Then and there he was marched off at the [point of a > bayonet.I've got > > copies of all this. The Lowreys are my family too. My Mother's > mom was > > Ballard-another good old Cherokee name.My Cousin was a Commander > on one > > of the Wagons coming West. My Paternal Grandfather back one or two > was > > Colonel John Lowrey and Major George Lowrey, his brother was my > Uncle. > > Also, now there are many Cherokees who have not gotten a CDIB > because > > like me they are able to finance themselves I guess is how you > would put > > it. The Government has never spent a dime on me. My husband and I > have > > made it ouselves. Ive got those big brown eyes, olive skin , high > > cheekbones and dark brown hair. Mom and Dad did too however you > should > > have seen my brother-he was fair skin, blue eyes and took after my > Dad's > > father. Guess I've bent your ear enough for tonight. Oleta > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:49 -0500 "James Brown" > <patton14@crosstel.net> > > writes: > > > Thank you Ms. Kite, I wasn't questioning your credentials , > certainly > > > not as > > > a very knowledgeable historian of Native American history or > your > > > Cherokee > > > ancestry. I believe that speaks for itself re your posts to > this > > > list.I was > > > actually wondering if there are persons that choose not to apply > for > > > a CDIB > > > for their own reasons. When you stated you hand never obtained a > > > > CDIB, I > > > wondered if it was because your ancestors chose not to ( for > their > > > own > > > reasons ) to sign the Dawes Rolls.My apologies if I offended > you. > > > > > > > > > > James > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > > > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > > > > > > > > > >I chose not to ask for one because one has never been needed. > In > > > my > > > > lineage I've got Chiefs and other well known relatives. My > mother > > > and my > > > > father are Cherokees but not full bloods. My Cherokee kin are > well > > > known. > > > > Sequoyah is related to me. I can certainly meet any > requirement > > > and my > > > > parents and grandparents are on the Final Rolls.I'm retired > from > > > the U. > > > > S. Government -DHEW-Indian Health Service and have worked with > > > > the > > > > Tribes.I volunteered at the State Indian Archives for five > years. > > > You can > > > > contact Mr. William Welge who is the Director if you'd like to > > > > check up > > > > on me. I get calls from Washington, D. C. sometimes. I called > a > > > County > > > > Office one time and gave my name. The girl told me immediately > > > > that as > > > > much as my family had to do with the beginning of that County > I > > > should > > > > join. I thought I could be of some assistance to this group > but I > > > guess > > > > not. I'm sorta well known or rather my name has been slung > around. > > > Don > > > > Chestnut is my cousin. I married a white man from Alabama so > I've > > > had > > > > both worlds. If you have a Cherokee Roll book I'll send you > all > > > the > > > > numbers you need to find my people. I'm also English and well > > > > known > > > > relatives along with some Kings and Queens which certainly not > > > > important > > > > and also Scots./I realized I've given you more than you asked > for > > > but if > > > > you think of anything else you'd like to know just write me. > I've > > > been > > > > told by people had it not been for me they never would have > gotten > > > the > > > > things straightened out. Oleta Elizabeth Benge Kite > > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:28:48 -0500 "James Brown" > > > <patton14@crosstel.net> > > > > writes: > > > >> This question is none of my business and perhaps unworthy of > a > > > >> response, but > > > >> I'm curious. Did you not obtain a CDIB as a matter of your > > > choice > > > >> not to > > > >> apply or because you couldn't meet the requirements > established > > > by > > > >> BIA > > > >> and/or tribal membership department? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> James > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > > > >> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > > > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:21 AM > > > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives > closure > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Dear Robin, Our family went through this. They were wealthy > in > > > the > > > >> East > > > >> > and my family is pretty well known-written about in many > books > > > >> and even > > > >> > though my Grandfather was one half he was not allowed to > be > > > >> Guardian for > > > >> > his children-had to have whites appointed and yes you can > > > guess > > > >> what > > > >> > happened. My sister-in-laws cousin married a wealthy Osage > > > > and > > > >> she had a > > > >> > son . She had to get permission to buy him shoes and this > > > happened > > > >> in the > > > >> > 40s or 50s. In a lot of cases the amount of blood varies > > > because > > > >> the > > > >> > people did not want to be restricted if they were more than > > > > one > > > >> fourth. I > > > >> > am a Cherokee-volunteered for five years in our State > Indian > > > >> Archives > > > >> > working closely with BIA, etc. in Washington. The Dawes > > > enrollment > > > >> was > > > >> > for Cherokees who had landed in Indian Territory and this > was > > > >> between > > > >> > 1898 and 1906-anyone born after that could get certified > from > > > >> either > > > >> > parents or grandparents who were on the rolls. I've never > > > gotten a > > > >> CDIB > > > >> > card but am right at one half. I too am descended from > Nancy > > > Ward. > > > >> I'm > > > >> > also retired from DHEW-Indian Health Service. Oleta > > > >> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:51:39 EDT Smithfx7@aol.com writes: > > > >> >> I am Cherokee and have a CDIB card and am a citizen of > the > > > >> Cherokee > > > >> >> Nation > > > >> >> in OK. My ancestors that are listed on the Dawes all > have > > > >> varying > > > >> >> degrees of > > > >> >> blood quantum, siblings with the same parents have > different > > > >> blood > > > >> >> degrees. > > > >> >> I was always told by my grandparents and great grandmother > > > > that > > > >> >> most were > > > >> >> afraid to say they were more Cherokee than they really > were > > > >> because > > > >> >> if you were > > > >> >> more than a 1/4 the government would assign a white > overseer > > > of > > > >> >> your > > > >> >> allotment. My blood line is fairly easy to trace since > I > > > am > > > >> a > > > >> >> descendant of Nancy > > > >> >> Ward on my grandfather's side and Major John Downing on > my > > > >> >> grandmother's side > > > >> >> there was a lot of documentation . I also see > differences > > > in > > > >> blood > > > >> >> degree > > > >> >> on the 1900 census vs the Dawes roll in what my > ancestors > > > >> listed. > > > >> >> I think > > > >> >> that makes no difference in how that reflected in their > > > >> Cherokee > > > >> >> pride. We > > > >> >> have to remember that times were different back then most > > > > were > > > >> just > > > >> >> trying to > > > >> >> survive. My ancestors started out wealthy and ended up > poor > > > my > > > >> >> great > > > >> >> grandmother lost her husband and 6 children from sickness > > > > and > > > >> >> accidents and on both > > > >> >> sides of my family they had houses that burned down. I > > > > think > > > >> it > > > >> >> has taken > > > >> >> all the way up to my generation to catch up, my sister's > and > > > I > > > >> are > > > >> >> the first > > > >> >> to own houses and be able to keep up with the Jones's. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Robin Smith > > > >> >> > > > >> >> ------------------------------- > > > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > > of > > > >> the > > > >> >> message > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > ------------------------------- > > > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > >> 'unsubscribe' > > > >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > > > the > > > >> message > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > > > message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >